tv Chris Jansing Reports MSNBC December 17, 2024 10:00am-11:00am PST
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questions, among them why a 15-year-old girl was shoot up her school just in my opinion days before christmas. and the big question, why are the school shootings still happening in this country at the rate of nearly one a day? plus, drone drama hits capitol hill as they try to convince there is nothing misserious about the drones up and down the coast. and an appearance from the vice president after largely staying out of the public eye after losing the election. she admitted that young people's fight may be in short supply. i will talk to david hogg who is running to join the dnc leadership team on where this party goes from here. we begin enmadison, wisconsin where police are looking for answers in the 323rd
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school shooting in america this year. this case is also rare because the suspect was female, 15-year-old natalie rutnaul who went by the name samantha. of the school shooters identified this year, only nine are female according to the data base. the details from madison, as always, are chilling. a teenager opening fire inside of a classroom, in this case during study hall at the abundant life christian school, killing a schoolmate and teacher enfront of her classmates, injuring others and then turning the gun on herself. two of the injured are in critical condition and that raises so many questions including this one from the chief of police. >> how does any 15-year-old get ahold of a gun? or anyone for that matter. >> police are working with the atf to trace the gun having had in the chief's words, a long conversation with the suspect's parents who are said to be
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cooperating. in the all too familiar effort to pin down a motive, police have turned over some online statements to the fbi to determine if they were indeed written by the shooter. this too is familiar, the frustration. >> we always say prayers, and when we are we going to stop doing that? this is not okay. if your kids are at school, they are not okay. if they are at church, they are not okay. if they are outside, that's where they are not okay. well, where are they going to be safe? >> i want to bring in nbc's kathy park who is in madison, wes conson, and also a senior law enforcement analyst. i know we are expecting another update next hour. what's the latest we know now? >> reporter: good afternoon. so i'm standing in front of the school turned crime scene. this is a small, private christian school attended by 420 students.
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they were just days away from being released for christmas brake. the shooting happened right before 11:00 a.m. yesterday. the shooter came in, killed according to authorities a teenage student as well as a teacher, injured six others. two of those students are fighting for their lives at this hour. we are anticipating another update later on this afternoon and perhaps we will get more information on the victims. we know that two others were released overnight. we know that the 15-year-old shooter also died of a self inflicted gunshot wound as she was being transported to the hospital. a handgun was recovered at the school. meanwhile, we know that shots were fired as you mentioned in a classroom of study hall, a room mixed with different grades. a second grader is the one who called 911 reporting there was an active shooter. coincidentally, there were
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officers nearby, roughly three miles away, practicing training for an active shooter and this became their reality. they rushed over trying to help. as far as the investigation goes, right now, we don't have a motive at this point. we know they are combing through the shooter's digital footprint leading up to the shooting. there is an online document they are reviewing as well. the parents of the shooter are cooperating we are told. the father was interviewed for an extended period of time yesterday. once again, another update is imminent. we are standing by for that. the community as you can imagine are traumatized. they are rallying behind the school. their are planning on holding another vigil later on this evening and making resources available to all of those who are affected by the tragedy. >> kathy park, thank you for that. cedric, we are only in day two of this investigation. it seems obviously like they are
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trying focus on everything they can about the shooter, checking things out online. what will help them piece together a motive to tell the story of how we got here? >> well, what they will do is go back and certainly talk to friends, family, teachers in the veerment this shooter may have been involved in. and often times referred to as a psychological autopsy, that is an opportunity to look and see what mental history there may have been, physical and mental health. who was her social supports, what was the family dynamics, et cetera, does she have a history of mental health illness or maybe that is not the case whatsoever. maybe it could have been a case of depression that came about as
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it relates to her being a young teenager that is growing and maturing and we don't know what relationships may have pin like for her over the course of time. but all of these variables will be important. certainly, you want to look at the digital footprint but what's going to be really important is going to be statements that is going to come from family and friends and school members to try to give some reasoning as to why this young girl was involved in such a tragic event as this. i think over the next few days, we will know more. here again, what is early in the investigation, i think that the chief and his support there from other agencies have done a dynamic job in terms of informing the community and informing the country in regards to how everything is unfolding still.
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>> you mentioned how important it is for them to talk to people who know her best. i have spoken to the parents who are said to be cooperating. what questions would you have for them? >> well, i would want to know from the family if there was a history of mental illness, has anything changed in the behavior or the last number of days or weeks or months that was noticeable to the family, if they were dealt with at all. that's the same you want to ask school officials, counselors, friends she may have been close with. was she a loner, gregarious, did she withdraw all of a sudden which may have suggested something could have happened in her relationships with people at school, all of these are going to be important questions. and what will happen as we answer one question and learn
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what occurred, and best analyze what we can from that answer, it allows us to answer further questions that might be relevant. relevant to the motive of this attack. >> cedric alexander, always good to speak with you and get your expertise, thank you for being with us. we want to move onto a legal loss for donald trump. a new york judge ruling his guilty verdict in the hush money case cannot be tossed out because of the supreme court's i municipality ruling. it's a decision that would survive the appeal, trump would be the first felon to serve as president. joining me now is msnbc legal correspondent, lisa ruben, trump spoke called the rule, i'm quoting here, a direct violation of the supreme court's decision on immunity but obviously the judge felt differently. so tell us what the argument was that the judge made and what happens now? what the judge is saying here is that the supreme court's
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decision on presidential eimmunity which applies to official conduct as it applies to charged crimes but it also implies to exclude evidence. that's the argument they made. they said the jury couldn't have reached the vurth because the da's office used evidence from his time as president including tweets about michael cohen that he issued while in the white house or conversations with his communications director, hope hicks. even if all of that were true, the judge argued that is not the case that the jury would have exonerated him because there was so much other evidence to point to trump's guilt on the 34 felony accounts of falsifying business records. >> judge merchan has not set a sentencing date on these accounts. when can we expect that to happen? and is there anything that needs to happen before he sets that date? >> it is not clear he will ever
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sentence him. one of the options that the da's office has raised by a pending motion to dismiss is that merchan can allow the conviction to stay with annast risk by applying abatement. prior to sentencing, if a defendant flees the jurisdiction or dies, you leave the conviction in place but never proceeding to sentencing. they have suggested here that even though new york is not one of the jurisdictions that follows this rule, it may be appropriate here given the circumstances. >> the circumstances being he is going to be president of the united states but he could still set a sentencing date or could he say we are going to do it once he's out of office? what are the range of options here? >> he could set a date, he could stay the sentencing date which is another option. but there is a pending motion to dismiss that is separate from the motion decided yesterday. that is trump's people saying because he is about to be a
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sitting president again, he can't be forced to have the burden of the prosecutionover his head and the entire indictment should be dismissed, not just the verdict. >> thank you. in 90 seconds, has rfk changed his mind about the polio vaccine and could it help some skeptical senators? d could it he skeptical senators lving door... keep things fresh with febreze small spaces. it's an outlet-free air freshener that fights odors for 45 days. so even after every flush... you know your bathroom smells amazing. ♪ lalalalala ♪ (cough cough) (sneeze) (♪♪) new alka-seltzer plus cold or flu fizzy chews. chew. fizz. feel better fast. no water needed. new alka-seltzer plus fizzychews.
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we have breaking news. a verdict has come down in the case of a man fatally stabbing the founder of tech giant cash app last year. steve patterson is reporting for us. what was the conclusion by the jury? >> reporter: the conclusion was not guilty of first degree murder but guilty of a lesser crime, second degree murder. the jury couldn't arrive at a unanimous decision of first degree murder but he was charged with the other crime with enhancement of use of a deadly weapon. that's not necessarily what the prosecution was pushing for. he was charged with first degree murder. and the prosecution maintained that momeni drove hymnod the bridge, used a knife to stab him repeatedly and left him for dead. the defense maintained that he was on a drug bender of ketamine and alcohol, heard something he didn't like in a disagreement with momeni and tried to attack
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him with the knife and wound up in self defense. this is somewhere in between and leans more towards the prosecution but this is not the justice that they were trying to define. meanwhile, we have reporters in court, families on both sides in the courtroom, the judge was clear he didn't want an audible reaction. as far as we know, we didn't hear that in court. we know the families have been following this contentious trial, 21 days, six weeks, seven days of deliberations, jurors going beyond the point of the hardship threshold which means at any point they could have left because the deliberations were going on so long. many were contentious about where they ended up. momeni was in court as the verdict was read. we are told he was stoic and didn't have a reaction as the vurth was read. the judge now deciding sentencing and a court date for
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that to be decided later. >> steve patterson with that update, you think. donald trump's pick to lead the health department, rfk jr. is back on the hill today. after years of public antivaccine positions and spreading misleading or false information, it now appears he is shifting his views. >> i'm not going to take away anyone's vaccines. i have never been antivaccine. if vaccines are working for somebody, i'm not going to take them away. >> do you mind repeating what you said previously about the polio vaccine? >> do you support it? >> yeah, i support it. >> kennedy has more than two dozen meetings this week. some remain skeptical on hes wide ranging views on things from vaccines to raw milk to fluoride in water. >> if he comes by, i'll probably talk to him about his phd in
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cellular and molecular biology, oh, wait, he doesn't have one, i forgot. >> nbc'srian nobles is reporting on capitol hill and suzanne craig is an investigative reporter for "the new york times". so senator kennedy with a little bit of a droll comment there. but generally, ryan, what kind of a reception is rfk jr. getting on the hill? >> reporter: it's kind of an interesting dynamic because what you see is the senators trying to twist themselves into a pretzel to find a way to feel comfortable voting for the confirmation of rfk. many have pointed out disagreements with past statements but they seem to be moving to a place where they believe his stance is not as important as that of donald trump's and what is more important is that robert f kennedy jr. execute the donald trump agenda in his role as hhs
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secretary. listen to what some of them had to say today. >> i need to know not what you all reported but the history and facts around his position on vaccines and vaccine mandates, that sports of things. >> whatever his views are, i assume hesupports the president's policies here. >> i don't know what he said on the subject of abortion, i don't know what is in his heart and what he believes because he says so much stuff, some of which sounds like he is from outer space. >> reporter: to that last point from senator kennedy from louisiana, i think abortion will be a flashpoint for many republican senators. robert f. kennedy jr. has been a longtime vocal supporter of abortion rights which stands in deep contrast to many in the republican conference, so how he reconciles the position on vaccines, what he says about changes that need to happen in
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the food supply, raw milk, the list goes on and on. this won't be an easy effort for him. but again, we have seen republicans inclined to give donald trump what he wants when it comes to cabinet picks. they will just have to find a way to thread the needle of support for robert f kennedy jr. which may not be an easy task. no doubt about that. sue, let's do a little fact checking. you have done extensive reporting on rfk jr. these comments he has made, supporting the polio vagueen and saying he has never been anti-vaccine, is this a sign he is willing to adjust now that he is faced with a concern political reality? is he just saying what he needs to publicly to convince some folks and then potentially will do something different? what can you tell us about rfk jr. that will give us insights into what's happening here? >> my ear on this is that he is
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now saying what he thinks will get him the job. he is saying that he has said publicly he is not anti-vax and on the other hand he has had there is no vaccine that is safe and effective. i don't know how he squares that. there are different vaccines and he has been very skeptical about the vaccine, some people say childhood vagueens that cause autism. but there is the polio vagueen and measles vaccine that are very accepted among american people. he is now saying he supports the polio vaccine. weeks ago, he said of aaron siri, the lawyer he works closely with who asked for the polio vaccine to be revoked by the fda, and he said of aaron siri, this was weeks ago, i love aaron siri, there is no one who has been a better asset to the
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medical freedom movement than him. i think my question would be what is aaron siri's role going to be in all of this? i agree donald trump is going to have a huge say in decisions around any vaccines and other decisions that bobby kennedy may want to take. but once you are in there, i think you will have a lot of leeway to do things you want and that are important to you and maybe the polio vaccine, that's okay for now but there are a lot of other things that robert f kennedy will have say over. >> let's talk about that. donald trump said just yesterday in that wide ranging press conference that rfk jr. is much less radical than you think. so beyond vaccines, what are some of the rfk petitions that seem almost certain to cause a stir for lack of a better phrase? >> it is interesting he says he is less radical. some have
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bordered on crazy or dangerous. some are not. i think he will get wide agreement on food safety and super processed foods. i think most people would agree that those sort of things, there should be less of them and we should be talking about that. but he has said things like during the aids crisis, the paupers, the drugs that you take cause aids. he said some of koef was engineered to spare certain chinese people. he said some far out things that he will be questioned on. he is saying things that sound great because he is looking to get that job but i think there will be a lot of hard questions to him about things he has said in the past. >> we only have a minute left but your paper had reporting on rfk's daughter in law being considered for the number two job at the c.i.a. and it was rfk jr. who was encouraging trump to hire her. it seems that will not happen
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but what can you telles about rfk's feelings towards the c.i.a. and why he would want her there? >> i think they are close and he values her opinion. she says she served from 2010 to 2019. that looks like it is off the table. i neversy never. we have weeks to go before hearings start. she could get another appointment. she is close to other people coming in the administration. i'm not -- it sounds like there has been blowback on that position but she could emerge elsewhere. she is a close ally of mr. kennedy and he has some sway i would say in some of the appointments, maybe not directly at the c.i.a. but in the circles where people are discussing names and has the president's ear on who may get jobs. >> always great to talk to you. thank you for coming on the show. coming up, the drone mystery over the northeast deepens as
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president-elect donald trump suggests that the federal government knows more than it is letting on about the strange sightings. i will talk to a new jersey congressman headed into a briefing in the next hour. keep it here, more chris jan sing reports after the break. jn sing reports after the break i leaked too. i just assumed it was normal. then we learned about bulkamid. an fda approved non-drug solution for our condition. it really works, and it lasts for years. it's been the best thing we've done for our families. call 800-983-0000 to arrange an appointment with an expert physician to determine if bulkamid is right for you. results and experiences may vary.
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lawmakers hoping they will get answers on what is going on with the mysterious drones flying around the northeastern part of the u.s. the fbi, c.i.a. and office of the director of national intelligence are set to brief members of the house intelligence committee after stressing again in conjunction with the white house that there is nothing scary about what we are seeing. >> we know that there is no national security threat. we know there is no public safety threat right now. we are being as open and transparent with the american people as we can be. >> john kirby says the fbi is working on about 100 leads from about 5,000 tips and sightings. many of those sightings are duplicative. i want to bring in maya eaglin who has been covering this for us. you have gone to new jersey and talked to some folks. what are they telling you? >> one is that they think this is a big deal. some of them have genuine concerns. a few of them were nervous about all of the hype around the
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story. and other people i spoke to said they think it is hype and the story has blown into something it was never meant to be. i spent time with a sheriff's detective in ocean county, new jersey. he had no idea what was going on and said his own investigation was to get answers for himself. we saw a few curious things move passed his radar. we are hearing from the nypd, rebecca winer, deputy commissioner, to kind of get more context on what we are seeing in new york city. let's take a listen. >> okay. >> just to give you some numbers, over the weekend, we had 120 odd 911 and 311 calls related to drone activity which is more than what we had for the month of november. more people are reporting to us. the number of drones being detected by our teams and software is roughly commensurate with what we always see. there is about 2,000 odd drone flights a week that take place
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in new york city and a lot of it is misattribution. >> one more thing is that other people are putting up their own drones to investigate and that could be part of the increase. thank you. let me bring in new jersey democrat josh gottheimer, member of the intelligence committee and one of those who will hear the briefing. good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> you heard the official message from john kirby at the white house, police commissioner there. this is usual activity and the only thing that is going up is the number of people calling in about it. there have always been a lot of drones. is that what is happening here? >> first you don't insult people by saying they are not seeing what they are seeing with their own eyes. i have heard from so many
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constituents who are seeing things, we set up a website where people can put information to pass on to dhs. what i'm hearing is we are seeing things and you are not giving us straight answers. it has been drip, drip, drip from the fbi and homeland security. what i called for is let's go out there and give people a proper public briefing, explain to people what we think is out there, what's going on and make sure everyone is safe. and what i have gotten from the briefings is that i don't think there is an imminent threat to public safety but not a lot of answers on what are people seeing? how do we make sure they are not unauthorized drones going over airports or military bases or over their homes collecting information? that's the kind of stuff i want to get the answers to for the public and of course give local law enforcement who do incredible jobs every day the tools they need to monitor the skies so it is not the wild west enjersey of drone activity.
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so they know what it is out there and if a large drone is threatening something like a base or a reservoir or a law enforcement center, that we can do something about it and get the drones out of the sky safely. >> we didn't play this part of it but the police commissioner answered the question that hasn't been answered, what are these. she said of the 2,000 drone flights a week over new york city, they are seeing planes, they are seeing helicopters, in some cases planets, in some cases commercially available drones and reporting. what are the specific questions you have that you want to ask today and that you want to ask on behalf of your constituents because i'm guessing your phones have been ringing off the hook.. >> they have. i think the question we have to get an answer to is what are people seeing, yes, some may be manned aircraft and some may be people putting up their own drones but you are talking about a lot of sightings, more than
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1,000. i'm hearing scores every day from the people that i represent in northern jersey. i'm not saying them insultingly, you are seeing nothing. i spoke to a law if forcement officer who saw something a few hundred feet in the air, a larger drone with his own eyes. the bottom line is where are these coming from and making sure they are not a threat. based on the briefings i have received, i don't think there is a threat to public safety but there are a still a lot of questions that need to be answered. the public deserves that briefing. so i will ask those questions and make sure there are no threats and toning to monitor that. but the bottom line is i will keep pressing for more answers for the public in a public way by public briefings by the responsible departments, the fbi, homeland security, what steps are we taking to make sure we protect the critical infrastructure, airports, bases, and giving local law enforcement the tools they need to
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coordinate with the government and make sure they can go forward. you can't have everyone flying up there. it is one thing if it is recreational in your back yard and something you get for the holidays. it is another thing if you are flying up unauthorized unwanted drones ahead and not knowing what they are. the bottom line is people deserve answers. i have bipartisan legislation to give local law forcement the tools they need to respond. those are the steps we should take right away. >> because the president you know is calling for a bipartisan commission to take a look at this at the start of the next year. do you think that is too late? do you think there is number hub ubthat congress will take a serious look at this before you break? >> i hope. i introduced legislation to ask them to immediately brief. the commission is good too longerterm. we should be thinking about this as there are more drones used
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for delivery and other things and monitored for public safety, public safety measures at large events. those are all good things but those are authorized use of drones and we know they are in the air. the key is getting to unauthorized use and making sure we understand and that law enforcement has the tools to respond. again, stopping any kind of wild west of jersey or the country t and getting to the bottom of this and it is that consistency and transparency that people deserve. right now it is drip, drip, drip. the secretary of home land security said people are seeing drones, right, instead of saying you are not seeing anything here. he admitted that. but now we have to understand where are they coming from, the surge, and giving everyone answers. that will make everyone feel better once they have answers from the government. >> josh gottheimer, i will be curious soohear what you have to say when you come out of the briefing. >> thank you for having me.
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not sure whether they have the strength, much less the desire to stay in the fight. but let me be very clear, no one can walk away. chin up, shoulders back, forever impatient for change. >> at 24 years old , my negs guest wants to help democrats rebuild their coalition by refocusing on youth out reach. david hong became a national antiviolence acivist following the 2018 parkland school shooting. he is now running to be a vice chair of the dnc. good to see you again. we spoke at the dnc. you were there, you listened to all of the speeches. you sounded hopeful at the time. you have come from a live that started six years ago as an activist, operating kind of outside of the traditional political structure, trying to
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influence the inside political structure. tell me why now you would like to get inside the rooms of power? and what the work you have done up until now has taught you, you think, that prepares you for that moment? >> look, the reason why i'm doing this is frankly because we need to build a party that tells people what they need to hear and not what the consultants are paid to hear over and over again where we continue losing. throughout the campaign, there were multiple times i brought up my concerns about young voters and i was shut down by consultants and told you don't know what you are talking about. this is not an issue. this is dumb of you to say and a lot of other things i can't tell you on tv. i was also one of the youngest people on the national finance committee for the harris campane where at the dnc, i raised the concern about what are we going to do about young men and i heard an enormous amount of
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vitriol, why would we focus on that. one thing we need to change is empathy is not a zero sum game. we can care about young men and young women. we have to build a party that incorporates those that are not even just incorporates those are critical but listen to people who are bringing up things that we may not want to hear in the first place. my reason is if i'm not given a seat on the table, i will break down the door. i will make calls and talk to a lot of delegates. and i'm inunderdog in this fight but i'm not going to contort myself and change my opinions or views in order to get other people's votes. i'm here to promote what i believe in which is to build a party that is inclusive of young people and people of all ages. >> inclusivity is something we hear almost every four years from the party that lost. they are looking to widen the net once again to get people back that they may have lost.
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i heard in harris' speech an acknowledgment that the young leaders are questioning whether they have the strength much less the desire to stay in the fight. i think it's sort of acknowledging the wider disillutionment and despair that many democrats feel in the wake of the losses. so if you become part of the dnc, what specifically would you do differently, david? >> well, one, i would make sure we fire a lot of consultants and do as much as i can to do that possible and make sure we didn't hire the same people that led us on the path of failure. >> do you think the research is bad or what do you think is wrong with it? i think part o of it is the interpretation of the research is bad. i don't think the polling --ly, it depends on the poll but a lot of time we think of moderate voters is incorrect. when i'm knocking on doors, whether it is in birmingham or houston or in suffolk, virginia, when i talk to undecided young people, what they don't tell me
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is that they want a half baked policy where it is like some liberal, moderately liberal policy. they feel the entire system is corrupt and broken and it needs to be fixed. what i'm trying to do is show people not all hope is lost and we can't afford to walk away and not keep engaged in fighting for the democracy. but we need to build a party that when young people come to us and say they are struggling to pay their rent, that say they are fearing for their safety because they perceive crime is going up, we don't just shove a chart in their face and say look at these g7 countries. we need to talk about the corporate landlords that are buying up the homes and raising the costs. we need to talk about donald trump's tariffs making it more expensive to build housing. and address the inner party politics we have that make it hard to build housing for young people. we are losing so many people
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leaving our blue states because we can't build housing and keep it affordable for people. that's part of the reason -- i grew up in california. that's part of the reason i moved to florida. my father was diagnosed with parkinson's and we didn't know if we would be able to pay the mortgage. that will keep happening if we don't address the creaseies. >> we have a minute left. there was another shooting, i don't need to tell you that. another young person and an adult killed by a 15-year-old. and i wonder if you think democrats in particular who would tell you tried to lead on this issue, have led on this issue but have been frustrated time and again and again. are they doing enough? i think we are trying to do as much we can with the power we are dealt. part of the reason i'm running on the position, and i will tell you this is not a popular policy within the party but i'm focused on what is just and what i
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and just half a mile from another t one of his alleged victims. another key piece of evidence he talked about was a strand of hair that apparently matched heuermann's daufrt or wife. here's what they had to say about the technology. >> fortunately, we will not have to come to the question of whether the dna evidence is enough because it is our position we have a lot of other evidence. this is cutting edge dna, the single nuclear pollmorphism that we are using in this state. it has been used in other places of the country a handful of times but never in new york state. so when that happens, there will be a challenge. >> heuermann's defense attorney questioned the reliability of the dna testing. heuermann maintains innocence in all seven of the killings he is accused of. the murders happened between
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