it is good to be back with you on the second hour of reports. at this hour, the search for answers. and roughly 15 minutes, we will hear from officials in madison, wisconsin with the latest on the shooting at the abundant life christian school that left three dead and six injured. what police are looking for as they search for a motive. a breeze and assassination

inside moscow. ukraine claiming responsibility for the death of the key russian general accused of using chemical weapons in the war against ukraine. what we know about the kyiv ambitious attack inside russia since the war began. aoc is out. gerry connolly picked to be the ranking member of the all- important house oversight committee. with the move means for the fight for generational change within the party and medical miracle. surgeons have successfully transplanted a genetically modified piggy kidney into a 53- year-old grandmother and she is doing well. could this be a literal lifesaver for the thousands of people waiting on transplant lists? we are following all the latest developments. we start in minnesota with a devastated community and pressing questions raised about america's latest school shooter. valerie castro has the story for us. what more can you tell us?

>> reporter: chris, we are awaiting a press conference from law enforcement officials in about 15 minutes to update us with more information. what we can tell you so far is that we know there are two victims in this case. a teenage student as well as a teacher. six others were also injured and transported to a local hospital. we are told two of the injured are suffering from life- threatening injuries. what is the most rare in this case and perhaps standing out the most is that police say the shooter in this incident was a 15-year- old female student which we know is incredibly rare. it is a nonprofit that advocates for tougher gun laws. they say in the last decade, out of more than 500 school shootings, less than 5% have been female shooters. we know that investigators are speaking to the teenage girl's parents. we are told they have been interviewing them since yesterday and that they are fully cooperating. police of course are looking to see if there were any red flags

or signs that the teenage girl may have been planning this or been capable of this. police said this was carried out with a handgun. part of the investigation will look into how the student was able to acquire the handgun handgun. she died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on her way to the hospital. six others were injured. two are still recovering from life-threatening injuries. police are reporting that it was actually a 2nd grade student that made the 911 call to report a shooting at the school. the school serves students from kindergarten all the way through 12th grade. so more than 300 students attend the school. we are waiting to learn more information about the two victims in this case, the two that were killed. >> expecting an update from madison, wisconsin at this hour. thank you. we have breaking news from overseas. ukraine's security services claiming responsibility for assassinating the russian general who led the kremlin's chemical, radiological and biological weapons unit. we

are following that story. what can you tell us about this general and the plot to assassinate him? >> reporter: this was a brazen attack and an assassination at the very heart of the russian capital in moscow. we understand there were explosives mounted to an e- scooter. it happened early in the morning and killed a lieutenant general and his aide. the ukrainians are saying that thesbu, the security services, that this was a legitimate target. they had charged him the day before with essentially using these and weapons inside ukraine as part of russia's military offensive inside the country which started in 2022. a brazen attack because it was really about 25 minutes away from the kremlin. you can imagine the high level officials in that country now are going to be looking over

their shoulder because this is an attack at the very heart of russia where many russians, for several years, essentially saw the ukraine war as something that was quite far away from them and was going on in the background. but this brought it right to their doorstep. this is something that happened, as i mentioned, inside in a scooter residential neighborhood. people around the area that live close to where the general was killed, are saying that they now feel nervous about where the war is going between this and what ukraine is doing. some very bold attacks inside russia as the war continues. and there is still an open question about what will happen when president elect donald trump takes office and whether the u.s.'s support for the ukrainian war effort will remain the same or change. thank you.

let's go to the hill where congressman jerry connolly just defeated representative alexandria or casio cortez. we have more. the younger generation might be ready to leave but the older one is not giving up at least in this instance. tell us what happened and why it is significant. at least not in this incident. we have been seeing this battle between the generations, within house democratic caucus over the course of the last few weeks as they do their steering process which is basically, who is going to lead what committees. in this case, who will be the ranking democratic member in an age where a lot of the democratic goals will be to thwart and to have different messaging from the trump aligned republicans here on capitol hill. in this instance, we were watching congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez against congressman jerry connolly. connolly ultimately won out in the smaller steering committee and the larger full caucus vote. while we are talking about this

as a generational push, i think the larger picture here and what i asked the top democrat about, is he made the point that this is about whose experience is best aligned for this current moment that democrats find themselves in. yes, you have new people assuming mantels that are younger than some of the older folks that came before them but at the same time, you have people like a chairwoman at the appropriations committee easily being reelected to their post. so speaker jeffreys made the point that while this is happening, it is not the focal point of what is happening within the democratic ranks right now. this might just be more of a natural jostling. but the reason jeffries is at the top of the caucus now is because of a years long push for nancy pelosi and other senior democrats to step down. so certainly, this has been a theme of the democratic congress over the course of the last 6-8 years. now we are just watching the next outburst as democrats try

to position themselves to counter republican messaging and take back the majority after two years. >> thank you. let's go to a historic medical procedure that took place right here in new york city. surgeons, for the first time, transplanting a kidney from a new kind of genetically modified pig into a living person. we have dr. john tourists with us. the recipient is a woman from alabama. she could barely contain her joy at the press conference. let me play little bit of what she had to say. >> i am overjoyed. i'm blessed to have received this gift. a second chance at life. that is how i feel. i'm more than grateful. >> so we should say that there have been attempts like this before. transplants from pigs. the first four did not live

very long. in this case, she is doing better than the previous ones are what are the implications for the more than 100,000 people who are waiting for a kidney transplant? >> you are right. the ones before didn't last very long and this one seems to be lasting better. you can see that she looks very healthy. and she is very happy about the life she has back right now and calling it a second life. the reason this is important is because it overcomes a huge hurdle. he mentioned that we tried the transplants in the past. what is different about this one is that it is a transplant where they modified 10 different genes on the pig kidney and that means the kidney itself will not be rejected as easily when it gets put into the human body. the reason this is important, like you said, 103,000 people are waiting for transplants. we are talking from kidneys, hearts, livers and lungs. 89,000 of those transplant are

kidney transplants. 13 people a day died waiting for the kidney transplant. if we can wake it up to what we call zeno transplantation, in other words getting it from animals, this would certainly open up the amount of people that can get transplants on a regular basis and that is hugely important. the thing about the transplant though as we have to realize that it is at a very early stage. it is three weeks in. she seems to be happy but what is going on. but she has a long way to go. they will be looking at this on a daily basis. they are taking lab tests every day and checking her urine every day. you can see the iv. they are giving medicine during the press conference because they found an issue there and they want to get it corrected. this is at the beginning stages of what the researchers say to essentially think of as he did at the beginning stage of human to humantransplants or we had failures and then got successes. same thing here. now the big thing is, she wants to go to disney world. >> she looks fantastic.

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drones flying over the northeast. with so much speculation out there as the new york times puts it, government officials have been stating more firmly that innocence, there is nothing to see here, pointing to the fact that in many cases, this simply may be normal commercial air traffic mistaken for drones. as a washington post explains, when online rumors and institutional distrust collide, you get drones. >> i want to bring in our correspondent from capitol hill. the washington post with us as well as long with former fbi agent and the counter drone program, drone shield, thomas adams. it is good to talk to all of you. why do you think people are not buying what the government is saying? >> i think fundamentally, if we are talking about any sort of unidentified flying object, there is a tendency to think, there must be some cover-up. you think, the government is

trying to keep this from us. what i think is fascinating about the current situation is the data is reflective of the current mistrust in government and inherently, people don't trust the government and saying that if it is a nonissue, maybe there is something there. it also echoes back to pass situations where people started noticing things that were always there and just starting to pay attention to it. and compiling theories about what is happening that is causing the surge and things that are not surging but being noticed for the first time. it is an interesting psychological phenomenon and overlapping with the distressed american seven u.s. government. >> you are the expert. what is it? >> i wish i had all the answers. i think there is an opportunity here as part of the process to have questions about the airspace and to calibrate, if

there is a drone threat as well as what is talked about. and do you conflicting suspected drone sites with things that might be similar to drones in the airspace. what i mean by recalibrating is the presence of a drone in the airspace in and of itself is not necessarily a threat. i think you have to look at other reasons before you might want to report something like that. for example, is the drone harming people? is it damaging personal property or critical infrastructure? or if it doesn't meet that criteria that might be somewhat logical, i think by decreasing the amount of unnecessary reporting to law enforcement, they can get to the bottom of this much quicker. >> lawmakers have a lot of questions as well. and their phones have been ringing off the hook from constituents.

so talk about the briefing going on right now on the hill and the answers they are looking for. >> we believe the house intelligence committee is receiving private closed-door briefing this hour about the drones from an official that is what the fbi or cia. they will ask a number of things. the constituents are naturally nervous and lawmakers are frustrated with the lack of information they are getting from the administration. they don't accept administration officials saying on one hand that we don't know who was flying the drones or why but there is no national security threat. i believe we have breaking news . >> officials in madison, wisconsin giving an update on the shooting. sadness, anger, disappointment. and grief for the madison community. we are brought together by a tragedy. today, three families woke up to a world without a loved one.

that can never be outdone. in the midst of this tragedy, our community has come together in an incredible demonstration of support from madison and the state of wisconsin and our nation. i cannot express enough gratitude to the many emergency response agencies that provided that support to the madison police department. we could not be standing here today without the men and women of law enforcement. specifically the madison fire department, surrounding ems agencies, dane county, sheriff's office, monona pd, oregon pd, the university of wisconsin police department. the atf, the fbi, fitchburg police department and cottage grove. a special thank you from me to all of these agencies. thank you so much.

>> these agencies and many others responded to the scene and/or took calls for service within the city of madison to allow us to focus on this tragic incident. student reunification with loved ones could not have happened as swiftly as it did. without the assistance of ssm health, dean medical clinic as well as the creek quick trip. additionally, many people worked well into the night night. >> so we have had this problem at the beginning and now we have it again. this has been freezing. you are watching the madison, wisconsin police chief giving an update. they have held multiple updates since the shooting happened yesterday morning. you heard him talking about the

three families waking up without a loved one. let's go back to the press conference. >> yesterday, after looking at the computer aided dispatch system, it seems as if a call came from a 2nd grader. it actually read that the call came from a 2nd grade teacher. that was a mistake. that was my responsibility. and i apologize and i clarify that today. it did not come from a 2nd grader. it read "2nd grade teacher." we will also be providing several investigative updates from the apm briefing from last night. the madison police department is committed to transparency and will continue to release information that can be used to improve public safety. this must be balanced against our commitment to the victims of this horrific crime and the need to do a thorough and complete investigation. as a

result, i recognize that many of you may have questions that i cannot answer at this time. i asked for you to keep the victims in your mind and respect their right to a thorough investigation.king caut questions at the conclusion of the press conference. but your pre-submitted questions serve as the basis for updates that we are providing for you this afternoon. if your question is not answered , it is due to an ongoing investigation. we know a document has been widely shared on social media. at this time, we cannot verify its authenticity. we have detectives working today to determine where the document originated and who actually shared online. at this time, we cannot verify the document. we ask that you not share the document or spread any information that might be

false. the department will provide an update on this document when we can. their always signs of the school shooting before it occurs. some of you have reached out about social media activity. we are asking anyone with insight into her feelingsleading up to yesterday to please contact the madison area crime stoppers. again, anyone who may have known her or knew what she was feeling or going through at the time, give the information to madison area crime stoppers. the number is 608-266-6014 orit p3-tips. we will not release specifics about the social media accounts.

>> identifying a motive is our top priority. at this time, it appears that the motive was a combination of factors. again, we cannot share that information at this time because we do not want to jeopardize the investigation and those currently cooperating with us. all patient status remains unchanged. the 911 call, for the record, for the 911 communication center and the standard operating procedure is not to release documents in open and active investigations. >> again, we are working to authenticate the documents that you see online that some are referring to as a manifesto. and as soon as we do that, we will let you know. the process for doing that is

looking at original documents that may have been taken from the suspect's home. looking at information that may be on laptops or computers to determine if this document originated from our suspect. any disciplinary records would be under the purview of the school. some of you have asked whether or not she was troubled or if she was troubled at school. we do not have those records. on the question of bullying, we are talking to students to understand whether bullying was one of those multiple factors that i mentioned earlier. some have asked if people were specifically targeted targeted. everyone was targeted in this incident. and everyone was put in equal danger. today, numerous mms d schools were targeted by false threats often known as swatting.

>> we apologize for the bad feet we are getting out of the police press briefing and madison, wisconsin. i think it is important to note that they won't take questions but they did ask the press for questions before this. critically, they are focusing on a motive which is not unusual in a case like this. there is a community in mourning and they want to know what happened here and if there were signs. to the end, among other things we heard. the police chief is asking anyone who knew the 15-year-old who was behind the shooting or had any insight into her state of mind surrounding the time that she did this yesterday, to get in touch with them. let's listen and for more. >> we want to thank the

countless people and organizations who reached out to support them as well as the dane county victim with the shooting and the dane county emergency management that provide direct support to the families. >> to the abundant life christian academy, this is a hurting and haunting situation. and the many survivors will need our continued support and we pledge to give them that in the days, months and years ahead. as a community, we must not allow violence or any act of violence to define us. we refused to allow hate or destruction to win in this city. but rather, we will honor our survivors, our victims, through love, support and in the

madison way. please continue to take care of yourself and take care of each other. at this time, we have several officers who are working today and who were working yesterday. they were given the opportunity to stay home and what we commonly refer to as an administrative day. they were offered. support, emergency assistance programs to our city. the officers chose to come to work today to serve their community. at the end of my remarks, i will find each and every one of them and personally shake their hand and thank them. thank them for their active selfless public service.

>> we will continue to listen in to the police chief there. obviously, they are continuing to have technical difficulties. when the police chief finishes talking, and he is not expecting to take questions, we will hear from the mayor as well as officials from the schools at abundant life christian school. let me go back to madison, wisconsin and kathy parker with nbc. a couple things struck me. one is, i think importantly, the chief said we were wrong about this. it wasn't a second-grader that called 911 at first. it was a 2nd grade teacher which doesn't make it any less horrible that there was a teacher witnessing this and second graders and potentially who saw it as well. i think the other big thing is that two of the six that were injured have been released. two are in critical condition and four in the hospital overall if i have the count right. tell me what else you heard that is new in the press

conference as you have been following it. >> picking up where you left off, as far as the victims, you are correct. he mentioned as far as the police chief, that the patient status has not changed. we know two students are in critical condition fighting for their lives. at the top of the press conference, he did make the correction about the call that initially came in about the active shooter. it originally was reported that a second-grader called it in reporting an emergency but it was a 2nd grade teacher. he also said they are entering the investigation phase. there wasn't a lot he could release at this time but i think everyone at the moment wants to know a motive. right now, there is a document that is currently being widely shared online. he says that he discourages anyone from spreading information that is false but that it is currently under review. but they can't verify the document at this time. he also mentioned as far as the motive goes, there are a combination of factors and they

don't want to jeopardize the investigation so they won't be sharing that information at this time. and they won't be releasing any specifics about social media. there was a question about whether bullying may have played a factor. that is also being reviewed as well. the suspect, the shooter, the disciplinary record was also highlighted. whether that was also a factor. right now he is saying authorities do not have access to that information. we know that there are a lot of questions at this time. it is still an active investigation behind me. there is crime scene tape around here. there is a large media presence. we have seen members of the community putting flowers in front of the school as they began the path toward healing. another vigil scheduled later this evening. there is also a lot pouring in from social workers and law enforcement and there is a fund dedicated to those affected by this tragedy.

>> much appreciated. i want to bring our democratic congressman. this is your district. these are the constituents. the mayor just said, we will never be the same but we will get through this. i wonder what you are hearing from your constituents today. >> thank you for having me. this is a tough moment. i have sat through many moments of silence on the floor of congress and not leading to action unfortunately. you always hope that your district will be next and it was. it is hard to think of taking your kid to school and not knowing if they will be safe. this is a problem that is much larger. this is a national problem. a uniquely american problem with gun violence.

it is an epidemic of gun violence. you will continue to see these if congress does or doesn't do. >> when we were listening to the police chief congressman, he talked about sadness, anger and grief. he said it is a hurting and haunting situation. you had been tweeting about needing to strengthen gun laws just on saturday. that was the 12th anniversary. and you said, it is long passed time for congress to stand up to the mri and pass commonsense gun safety laws that will save lives. again, that was before yesterday's shooting. and i do think it underscores what you were just talking about . we have been having this debate for decades. since columbine in 1999. it doesn't matter which party is in power. there were times when the democrats were in control. nothing changes. it didn't change after

columbine. it did not change after sandy hook. it didn't change after uvalde. what is so powerful that it has effectively blocked the will of the majority of american people . many presidents, barack obama, said it was one of his greatest regrets that he couldn't get more common sense gun legislation through. is it too easy to say that this is the nra? what is blocking the will of the american people? it seems to be a majority in congress. >> first of all, this is uniquely american problem. a united states problem. no other nation has the mass shootings we have. and until we accept that it is an academic, accepting that covid was an epidemic and dealt with it as such, we will continue to face this. we have to accept that it is good to be number one in the world except for in an area like this. and we have to accept that. secondly, the gun lobby in washington and the gun manufacturers that make up the

nra, nobody is trying to take away the hunting rifle of anyone that has a family tradition of going out hunting this time of the year especially. we know that the nra is funded by the gun manufacturers and all they care about are gun sales. we know there are more guns in this country than people. we have to address this at a much higher level. there are commonsense measures. and state legislatures and congress that have 85% public support. it is the gun lobby, the gun manufacturers, the washington lobby, that make it so hard to get those things done in public bodies like ours. >> on that topic, congressman, we do hear from a lot of people that there are other options in the absence of action in congress. i read the responses to your tweets calling for action from elected officials. you had people arguing that you have to do better at enforcing gun laws. you have to harden schools and

other sensitive sites. you have to focus more on mental health. are their ways to do that, or at least get something done in the eyes of some folks answering your tweets. even if it is not the kind of new laws that you and so many other people are advocating for ? >> first, we have to accept that we have a problem with guns in this country and we do. no other country has the same problems with mass shootings like we do. until we accept that, we will work around the edges. having said that, we could put more funding into mental health. the congress doesn't like to fund anything. that makes it harder to do. the bottom line is, it is a ridiculous statement. i supported my law enforcement for their answer when they were asked this yesterday. should the school have been more hardened and fortified? and we said no. we shouldn't have to fortify schools next to hospitals or next to malls. no. we have a problem with gun violence. a unique problem worldwide that we have to adjust.

and if we let the gun manufacturers and the gun lobby's and washington treat us like marionettes like they have done for too long, then we will continue to see kids die. people die in mass shootings and not know that when you go to work or school, that you will make it home safely. that is simply unacceptable. the first thing is acceptance that we have a problem and then let's go from there. but don't let the gun lobby, the gun manufacturers manipulate us like they have for way too long. >> i know it is a difficult time. this is your home, your community. thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. >> coming up, they did not stand behind the trump campaign but now they are lining up to mar-a-lago for a meeting. why some political and corporate leaders are making nice with the president-elect. trump's critique of election polling. is us a glimpse into the future and part of a promise of retribution? you are watching msnbc. .

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it is it the lure of power or the lure of donald trump's particular brand of power? as politico puts it, the rush to kiss trump's ring is on. here is how trump himself put it during his press conference at mar-a-lago. >> this is one of the big differences and we were talking about it before. one of the big differences between the first term. the first term, everybody was biting me.

this term, everybody wants to be myfriend. i don't know. my personality changed. >> it is unclear whether he has changed but many people have . because as a new york times points out, he has enjoyed a steady stream of vanquished opponents, critics and business leaders that at one time burned him, riding to pay respects. we have more from west palm beach florida. and police jordan is former aide to the george w. bush white house and state department and it msnbc political analyst. brendan buck is former aide to how speakers paul ryan and john boehner and in msnbc political analyst. this is the question raised. has trump changed or is it people, whether they are fearful of retribution or wanting something from him who have? has his worldview remained largely transactional? what say you? >> right. for folks not paying attention to donald trump and his interactions with his nos partners, for example, before he

stepped into politics in 2015, they now have a nearly 10 year body of evidence that the way to donald trump's heart and potential cooperation partnership is by effectively defending. not just to make trips to meet with him but you have seen a history of republicans. nancy mays, a perfect example. someone who in 2022, donald trump tried to primary out of the republican party. after she nearly won the primary, she came racing back to donald trump and was a loyalist to him in the intermediate two years. nigra looking at business leaders, corporate leaders and ceos. there were several folks in 2017 within months of donald trump's first term that resigned from his multiple economic advisory boards and ultimately spoke out against donald trump and in return for apple, donald trump rejected the tariff exemptions

that companies like apple stock from the trump administration. and so you see the same cheap executives at these major tech companies coming to mar-a-lago to meet with donald trump before he is even sworn in. >> there is kind of a widespread knowledge obviously that with trump giving attention and paying attention where attention pays off. so can i think having the last person to have his ear, what does everything we are witnessing now mean for the new administration? >> i think i would point out that things are going really well for donald trump and he does tend to be well-behaved. so speak when he is on the upswing. it is when he feels down and threatened that we see some of his most unfortunate remarks, i would say. we are seeing this because he is a winner right now. this was the decisive win. there is no argument about it.

there is no argument about the number of voters who moved over in blue states like new york and illinois and new jersey. just demonstrating that the country is ready for change. i think that lawmakers are responding accordingly and i do think that the tech industry is going with that also. elon musk, in and of himself, is a huge thought leader and presence in silicon valley. with his full throttle endorsement, that makes it perhaps even more easy for other tech supporters to come out out. >> when we talk about some of his may be less favorable inclinations, trump was asked whether senators that oppose his cabinet pick should be primary. let me play his answer to that. >> if they are unreasonable or they are opposing somebody for political reasons or stupid

reasons, i would say it has nothing to do with me. i would say it probably would be primary. if they are reasonable and they are disagreeing with somebody, i could see that happening. i do believe we have great people. >> if you oppose somebody for political reasons, that is what politics is about. you could argue that. but how do you think that will impact republican senators who are weighing some controversial cabinet confirmations? >> i don't think any senators need to be reminded that if they vote against a trump nominee, that they risk retribution. trump allies have made that clear. they are running as trying to come i don't want to say bully but encourage republicans to go along with them. i think i'm most interested in what he said at the end, that he is leaving the door open if somebody does have a principal reason to vote against him. that does not sound very trump like or the iron fist that we

are used to hearing from him. >> but things are going well for him right now as we pointed out. >> exactly. he is riding high. the opening comments is, people wanted to fight me before and they don't want to fight me now. at some point, people will want to fight him again. you will start doing things that people don't like. how he leads tariffs might lead to a big fight with the business industry. so it's not that the honeymoon will last forever. i think everybody sees there was a big win and a social aspect as well. if you had your ceo meet with trump eight years ago, you have risked significant blowback from employees. that has sort of gone away. i think people accept that he has had a pretty decisive win and he provides a lot of wind and his sales. nothing like this is permanent. >> donald trump has sued ann sulzer as well as her polling

firm, the des moines register and its polling company. talk about the lawsuits. >> the lawsuit comes just days. days after the $15 million settlement of abc news after george stephanopoulos' interview over the summer led to this defamation lawsuit from donald trump. the lawsuit against ann sulzer and the polling company and the gazette newspapers. it comes at quite a moment, suing under iowa state law claiming consumer fraud took place. allegations from trump's lawyers are that this was an intentional effort to undermine and provide false advertising in order to benefit the political campaign of kamala harris. donald trump has not provided evidence that the poster or the des moines register were actively manipulating the polls. and said he he has touted her history of being a good poster.

and acknowledged that they were off with sampling and off with assessment of the poll results that they released days before the 2024 presidential election. at the same time, this is a potential signal from the trump camp that they are willing to file these civil lawsuits, whether they be against journalism organizations or polling outlets and sending a clear message that they are willing to put the money behind potentially leading to the discovery process and forcing the judge's hands to toss out the cases. the $15 million settlement from abc gives them some air behind their wings to push these sorts of lawsuits forward. >> donald trump's daughter-in- law is showing public interest in florida governor ron desantis appointing her to take over marco rubio's senate seat. let me play what she said. >> the fact that my name has been mentioned among many other very qualified and highly regarded people

as a potential fit for the senate seat that will be vacant by marco rubio when he is confirmed as the next secretary of state, yes, it is very intriguing and i'm seriously considering it. i have not been asked yet by ron desantis but as you heard from donald trump, it is up to him ultimately. >> donald trump said he does not expect ron desantis to appoint her. what do you think will happen here, brandon? >> he may have just been being coy. i think you would love to have his daughter lobbyist senator. and i'm sure she would love to without having to run for anything. that would be great. i think it speaks to the legacy and the next round of trump if you will. if she is potentially a senator, you are talking about maybe the start of a trump dynasty. we know donald trump jr. has expressed interest to run for something. we often talk about trump as this sort of, wants in a

generation thing. if there is a next generation of trump as those that will be in government, i think it is very interesting and it speaks to the long-lasting impact that he and his brand could have. >> it is great to talk to all of you. thank you so much. lets go from trump to the woman he beat and what will she do next? kamala harris who of course ran for president as a new generation of leader, arguably has options. take her chances and run in a primary in four years and try to make another run at the white house. or as widely speculated, run for governor of california. today, after spending many postelection weeks out of the public eye, she addressed a group of young activist leaders. >> in moments like this, the true test of our character is how resilient and persistent we are. to pursue the future that we

all can see. the true test of our commitment is weather, in the face of an obstacle, do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? >> joining me is eugene daniels, white house correspondent at politico and msnbc political contributor. harris is talking to young leaders there. clearly, she was worried about democrats. i wonder if this could be read as sort of self informative. the test of character is resilience . >> throw up our hands or roll up our sleeves. this is something from the very beginning when harris conceded. if you listen to her words or covered her for any time, it is what you find is somebody

saying, i'm not going anywhere. i want to be part of this next resistance and what it looks like. and harris herself has always been concerned about apathy among voters and especially young voters and young activists. even when she was just the vice president when biden was at the top of the ticket. she would tell her team that they were not going to lose against donald trump but against the couch, people not being interested in politics. or that they are not a part of their lives and it doesn't change their lives. this is what you are hearing. the first major speech she has given since her concession speech. and the message was the one that i heard she gave at the christmas party and the holiday events she has been doing and what she has been telling her team behind closed doors. that she is staying in the fight and everybody else should too. how that shapes that politically is unclear at this point and she has been very clear to leave all options open

. >> we have this crowded field of potential 2028 democratic contenders. as i said, one option would be to instead run for california governor. governor gavin newsom terminated. one of the country's most demanding nonfederal offices would make a quick presidential come back difficult if not impossible. what are you hearing if anything? i know the speculative class in washington d.c. has a lot to speculate about this. but is there betting money going one way or another? >> me and my colleague have up peace about -- this. we still don't have answers but we do know is one of the other. you can't run for governor and turnaround and hop into that. if we hear she will run for governor, they will have a clear

answer about whether they will run for president. if she doesn't, it will be clear, based on the interviews they do and conversations they have and how honest and open is she on questions about what is next. there will be signs the next few months on her plans. pick you hear from people that a lot of folks don't blame her for the loss. you hear a lot of blame from joe biden. there is talk about what the democratic party should or shouldn't have done in the years before to fix this so to speak. you are not hearing so much blame on her. she has the opportunity that other people who have lost a general election don't have. >> eugene daniels, great to see you, my friend. thank you so much. we should let you know that we just get information. a source with direct knowledge telling nbc news at the

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