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obviously he is not going to concede at least 600,000 ballots are in question. the call for joe biden is not, who was it called by? oh, my goodness, all of the networks. wow! all of the networks. >> dignity where have you gone. four years ago outside of four seasons hottal landscaping. trump's team tried to undermine the vote. now, they are preparing to take power. ip cluing pam bondi, a co player in trump's election interference. trump demands compliance with the courts, media and foreign leaders and trying to silence any descent by filing nonsense lawsuits. plus, the polio vaccine protected tens of millions of

children from poral paralysis, now the top critic is in the capitol. we begin today, meeting and vote of electors where it is written, the electors of president and vice president of each state shall meet and give their votes on the first tuesday after the second wednesday in december next following their appoint at such place in each state in accordance with the laws of the state enacted prior to election day. that day which, happens to be today. it is better known as the meeting of the electoral college. electors from all 50 states meet to cast their votes for the candidate that won the popular vote in their respective states in november's election. for as long as this has been in the books and on article 2 of the constitution, it has been nothing more than a ceremonial step to the white house for the

winner of an election. it has been a day that most americans probably did not know existed. a day lack anything drama. that is until four years ago when donald trump in his efforts to subvert his 2020 election laws had fake electors in seven states gather to sign false certificates to state and federal officials claim that trump had won their state's electoral votes. it was part of his and his allies to have mike pence not to certify the state results during the formal and completely ceremonial reveal of the electoral vote on january 6th. you all remember what happened next. the storming of the capitol by trump supporters and pence's refusal to break the law. it may have been the one time pence showed he had a backbone

during his tenure as trump's lapdog. that brings us to today, in the meeting to fulfill their role. yet, the stench of what happened four years ago remains. many of the fake electors face and continue to face charges, at least 13 of them were present today. picked by their state republican parties to be real electors this year and sign the authentic certificates of their states to make trump president for the second time. these are not the only people that partook in the big lie that returned to haunt us. many will join trump and his new administration like his second pick for attorney general. pam bondi. the attorney general has gone under the radar a little bit. perhaps because she has not been accused of sexual assault or trafficking woman like other trump nominees have. good for her. she has, however, she was one

of the earliest promoters of the baseless election frauds in 2020. "the washington post," lays out how deep the involvement went including how she was involved turning rudy giuliani on. it brought disbarment and financial ruin to the former mayor of new york. in the days after the election bondi was in pennsylvania on tv pushing the unfounded allegations of cheating and fake ballots. >> we need to fix this. we need to remedy this now. we won pennsylvania and we want every vote to be counted in a fairway. >> we do have evidence of cheating and i will talk about that in a minute. we are still on the ground in pennsylvania and we are not going anywhere until they declare we won pennsylvania. that means all of the good residents supporting us in pennsylvania their votes don't count by the fake ballots

coming in late. >> while she did not speak she was reportedly spotted helping to set up the four seasons landscaping press conference where he continued to falsely claim that trump won the election. bondi remained involved in the background throughout the whole period to the point that cassidy hutchinson talked about how bondi tried to influence her testimony. pam texted me that night and said something to the effect of "susie, matt schlapp and i had dinner at potus. call matt next week he has a job for you that we all think you'd be great in. you are the best. keep up the good work. love and miss you. hutchinson also described what bondi and two others said to her quote, what they said to me is, as long as i continue to be a team player they know that i

am on the team. i'm doing the right thing. i am protecting who i need to protect, you know, i will continue to stay in good graces in trump world. and now, as trump has reportedly said he wants the doj to revive the examination of the 2020 election and wants those involved on the january 6th committee to be put in jail. it will be left to bondi as the attorney general to see it through. like i said, the stench remains. joining me now is the cofounder of the senica project and msnbc political analysts. david i will start with you. we all watched the january 6 day to day missed pam bondi a little bit. she was more involved and she will have the reigns. >> we have a government coming in that is full of people who pushed the big lie which means

they tried to overturn american democracy. i don't think that we fully absorbed that as a nation. of course it is donald trump leading the thing. but the people he is picking and even though the interviews they are conducting during the transition basically ask people do you believe the election was stolen. so, they are only taking trump big lie loyaltiists, kash patel one of them. she does not seem to be qualified given what she did in 2020. there is is another thing here, too. trump has promised, maybe in the first time or in the first day to pardon the rioters that we just showed that attacked the capitol. the pardon office is in the justice department. they can go directly from the president but they are supposed to go through the justice. so, here you have pam bondi. supposed to protect the law who will probably be involved in

this massive operation to pardon the people who tried to overturn the constitution. it is all there, it is all bizarre and that is what we have to live with. >> you take her and combine her with kash patel what do you get? >> you get a justice department that is no longer independent. you have two people who are basically fans of trump and will do whatever he wants. it is what he said he was going to do. and, the combination of the two of them together should scare the hell out of every american who believes in the rule of law. i recently spent time with one of the capitol police officers that testified january 6th and it broke my heart. how do you look at those guys and the men and women who defended our democracy in the capitol that day and say, and still have faith in our country and our democracy when the american people voted in someone who had no problem with those people assaulting them and defecating and spearing it

on the walls of our capitol and threatening to kill nancy pelosi and our own vice president and gallows. people forget what what happened on january 6th and all of them have been rewarded by being put back into power. it should not be okay. there are millions of americans who are not okay with this and they need to express that and the democrats also need to show collective anger. if democrats are, they are the ones that are immediately in the pathway of letting donald trump do everything he wants to do and letting these people do it. they got to make it more difficult. they may not be in power directly but they can still make it more difficult and fight for the tens of millions of americans who are not okay with this. >> can i just say really quickly, on january 20th when this inauguration happens and january 6th of next year. i think about it. i gotten to know some of the capitol police officers and metro police officers as well, personally. i think about them going to

walmart and home depot and run into the people who tried to kill them. the person who hit him with bear spray or beat them and they are now free because trump says they are the victim. and then these capitol police officers it breaks my heart to think they are going to walk into a home depot somewhere and their assaulter will confront them and feel a superiority over them. >> yes. something fundamentally wrong with that. >> reporter: you have kash patel that put together the conspiracy theory that agitators did january 6 absolving the people that we saw doing the violence. him and pam bondi, they will be the top law enforcement officers in our land. people who were there that day fighting the protesters, trying to guard our democracy or anybody else who is a cop, who is now capitol hill police officer, they are going to look up and say these people they

are supporting the criminals and the thugs who tried to destroy the constitutional order. what does that mean for me when it comes to me putting my life on the line. >> there is a certain oxymoron here. the lawless in large of the law. what does it is a? it just is so infuriating that the american people, we don't think it is a good idea but we will vote for trump any way. we have to defend our institutions, those concepts still if we think we have to have a country that we will be proud of. it is time for democrats to step up and those of us to get exhausted that is what they want you to do. they want you to be exhausted. >> now. >> there is an institution to know it. typically the most respected institution who is the person who would be manning and in charge of the three million

people on our military. here he is on a podcast. listen to what he said about january 6th. take a listen. >> there are reports in "the new york post" and elsewhere. just from common sense that antifa folks took advantages of this to try to get to the front and try to agitate and create openings for themselves. you can see the helmets where a trump sticker on it. they want to stop the steal but they wanted to further the narrative. >> it is not true and he would be in charge of the military that would be unleashed on american protesters. i don't even know where to begin >>. >> reporter: it is not just not true it is crazy. we will tell you that you did not see what we saw with your own eyes and make up a cover story that a few people infiltrated this and got thousands of trump supporters to break down the doors and,

deface the capitol. we will expect you to buy it and believe it. i mean, going back to pam bondi and we saw her in the press conferences, she is, she is lying. she is saying that there is evidence of massive fraud when there was not. i mean, you can say we want to look at things, we want to -- we have concerns. >> you can file as many lawsuits as you want. it was massive fraud. supported a guy that declared victory before the votes were counted. now they want to be taken seriously? >> this is where the republicans in they had any decency and believed in the oath that they swear to, to the constitution, they would question all of this during the confirmation hearing and say that is why i am not voting for you. you are unqualified. this is disqualifying. you are part of something that went to, strikes to the heart of the cornerstone of our democracy. you are part of it? you are not qualified to be the leader of the department of justice. >> no.

lindsey graham will not do that. none of them. >> i want to speak to your earlier point. they need to be shamed for it. >> that is a bridge too far. [ laughter ] >> they will never. >> i want to see the democrats and say you said there was massive fraud was there massive fraud? >> that will never happen. >> you want to run the military which involves processing and intelligence and analyzing things do you really believe antifa stirred that up. i want them to ask kash patel about being the lead investigator but not do it politely but fiercely. if they are going to get through they have to be towed. why did you lie about this and this. >> what they don't understand the confirmation hearings are a television show. you can not stop the nomination. but you can put things in the record that the american people can not look away from. democrats do not have the power

to stop these people from becoming defense secretary or becoming attorney general. but you can not make it -- you can make it hard. you can make it unpleasant and uncomfortable and force the american people, even watching fox, who are watching that show, to get access to the truth. give them access to the truth. trust me, trump and his team will give them no access to the truth. tara, david t is dark days. but we love having friends around to commiserate. >> do not obey in advance. it is a bad idea in democracy. we are still a democracy. trump is so consumed with power he set up on a dangerous revenge tour, threatening, suing, humiliating people who do not kiss his ring. more on that. do not kiss his ring. more on that.

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. donald trump ran for president for one reason and one reason only. to make all of his legal problems go away. poof! he was successful but for one exception. the judge denied his bid to toss out his guilty verdict. trump will have to live with the infamy of being the first convicted felon president.

and yes, maga, you are still a convicted felon before you are sentenced. that is how it works. that is not stopping trump from trying to hit the delete button. going as far as to sue in the des moines register saying he is seeking accountability for election interference over a november poll that showed kamala harris up 3%. never mind the fact that trump won the election and the state by double digits. he is feeling emboldended by abc willing to pay $15 million in settlement. every legal expert said they would of won. others in the media saying they are going to comply in advance. the own of the l.a. times, who reports that the editorial board out right take a break from writing about trump and balance any critical

editorials or articles with positive ones. here is the thing. these ceos who are thinking let me just give him what he wants there one time and he will leave me alone or my company and he will give me goodies tax credits or a pat on the head. that is not how it works with trump. his ego is too fragile and his needs are endless. if your toddler is having a tantrum the solution is not buying the cookies, they will do it again and again and again because you will be out of money and sanity and their teeth will be rotten. right now that toddler is trump. he wants everyone to say they love him and praise him and tell him he is the best president ever. it will never be enough. he will always want more. and punish and humiliate even

those who do comply. just ask marco rubio only it get snubbed as he builds his administration. he will always reward weakness with more humiliation. and that includes foreign leaders like canadian prime minister trudeau that went to mar-a-lago to kiss the ring. behaving how trump is president. how does trump reward him? mocking him on his social media site. calling trudeau the governor of the great state of canada. joining me now is tim o'brien. and msnbc political analyst. this trudeau thing bothered me. put up a tweet that trudeau posted. he posted a tweet of himself. look at me next to donald. what is he doing? when will people learn, tim, e mas co emasculating yourself

does nothing. >> he has been this way forever. he came up, as you know and i know and we talked many times, at the knee of roy cohen who taught him. you do not necessarily need to go to court or to ultimately break people if they are scared enough in the first innings of any action that you take. if they are politicians, members of the business community, members of media, members of congress or members of the judiciary and we can pull that out examples of each and every one of these institutions and some of their leading members deciding in advance that the safest way and the most productive way to deal with trump is to kiss the ring and we see example after example of once they do that he

then shames them in public. he is not ultimately delivering on some of the things they want. he does it to the people he holds close to him. think about how many days was it after rfk jr. got nominated, you know, for hhs and there was a picture of him eating fast food with don jr on the presidential plane. eat your food, take your punishment. for trudeau that you set up in your previous clip, introduction of this segment. his government, his own government is fractured because of this. and, he could very well be out of a job because of this. so, i do think that people in the near term right now are petrified. they are not sure how to respond to the fact that trump was re-elected again but they should keep, i think, their eyes on the prize. >> i mean, yeah, you know, there is a game people play of

mocking canada. now, canada has been mocked by its own prime minister. justin trudeau went down to mar- a-lago as if he is president. he did not go running to the white house of the real president he went to him as if he can be part, and his finance minister she is out of there. she is like we need to come up with a strategy to deal with trump's tariff plan. that is not a strategy. it is humiliating. if i were a canadian i would be disgusted. it is interesting it is said there is a crisis of manhood, right? that is said a lot on the right. it is our our side. jeff bezos, and mark zuckerberg. you fall on your knee? >> no. los angeles times wrote this. not los angeles times, robert reiich wrote this. much better. no large corporation wants to

be actively litigating against a sitting president especially one as vin dicktive as trump. compared to the way they can penalize disney that has other businesses besides the media. some of the media is owned by other businesses that could be before the president. so he wants to save his spacex and -- not spacex, whatever one is his. bezos. >> blue origins. >> yes. well, i think that this is, you know, in the american media model. it is is always depending on the integrity of the owners. they are privately held concerns for the most part unless or publicly traded. but, with close ownership. pbs the only media entity of note that is in there.

very powerful funded nonprofits that do great work but talking media we are talking corporate media. in the era we are in now, corporations have multiple interests that are not just tied to their media holdings and their ceo's are thinking about those things. and i think you are seeing some dispose of media assets because it is trouble some. some are doing knee bending because they don't want to go in battle in the court with the president. it is bottom line thinking but it is not journalistic. and, it is not tied to the idea, just that core basic idea, that the roll of journalists in the world should be to seek the truth and hold the powerful accountable on behalf of the public interest. >> at this point the los angeles times is essentially saying if you report a negative fact with trump you have to

balance it with a positive fact. i am not sure how you are serving journalists, people inside of the wall street journal are not happy. it is difficult in this moment when you just want to do the journalism. it is difficult. we appreciate you. our trump expert. thank you very much. coming up next. rfk jr. gets his vaccines in the spotlight as he meets with lawmakers, today, we will take a deep dive into one of the greatest discoveries of the 20th century. the polio vaccine. the polio vaccine. don't go anywhere. vaccine. the polio vaccine. don't go anywhere. ah, you found me. you found me. there he is. but wherever i go it's always “where's waldo?” are you wally? yeah. yeah i am. never “who's waldo?” sometimes it takes someone who really knows you

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1953 medical pioneer jona salk created the vaccine. the new yorker wrote quote church bells rang. he became a hero. turning down a parade in new york city. president dwight d. eisenhower invited him to the white house and he got a congressional medal. he gave his first interview to edward r.murrow who said who owns the patent on this vaccine? the people, there is no patent. could you patent the sun? plane people remember the reaction to the covid was met with relief but only for some. others reacted with deep suspicion, even rage. and the conspiracy theories multiplied online. at the time, one of the nation's leading vaccine

scientists wrote an op-ed about the dangers of vaccine skepticism. modern 20th century america may represent a rare period when anti-vaccinationists took a backseat. dr. jonas s is alk developed polio vaccines with string of development of new vaccines against measles, mumps, rubella and others. it lasted until the early 2000s when distrust grew over vaccines and the agencies promoting them. the early response by such agencies was to dismiss the american growing discontent as a fringe element until eventually in the 2010s antivaccine sentiment spread across the internet. in fact, the covid pandemic saw the largest sustained decline in childhood vaccines in three decades. what was once fringe is now

mainstream. so much so that donald trump's pick for health secretary is famously skeptical of vaccines the "new york times" reported that a lawyer who is advising robert f. kennedy filed petitions on belafl of a nonprofit to revoke federal approval of the stand alone polio vaccine. since then, kennedy claimed he is all for the polio vaccine. perhaps to settle the concern spreading over capitol hill. his work against vaccines sure says otherwise. we will discuss next what that could mean for america scuss net could mean for america ♪far-xi-ga♪ ♪far-xi-ga♪ ask your doctor about farxiga.

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our new health and human service secretary were to rescind the approval for the polio vaccine or even just say it is no longer mandatory, people can choose if they get their children vaccinated for polio. what would happen? >> reporter: well, joy, the bad news that is already starting to happen in state legislatures in many parts of the united states right now. we are moving closer, i think, to making vaccinations optional including possibly the polio vaccine. and, we know the results. this is a vaccine preventible disease. the vaccine echo system is fragile. you nicely gave a build up to what was happening in the early 1950s. we were having 50,000,to 60,000 cases of polio every year. the vaccine, the enacted vaccine, the salk vaccine was

1955, in 1 1/2 years there was a reduction, by the early 1960s polio was more or less gone from the united states. but, it can come back. we had polio in the waste water in new york state in 2022. and, we have now seen a fivefold rise in measles outbreaks over the last year because of increasing antivaccine sentiment. we know what is going to happen. all of the diseases are going to come back unless we maintain our vigilance. >> the thing about making it scary. when my husband and i were raising our kids in florida. vaccines were mandatory. you knew when you were sending your kids to school every kid in the room had the mmr vaccine. it frightens me that we might get to a world that every other child does not. if your child is vaccinated they are not safe sitting in a

classroom with closed windows with people who are not vaccinated, right? >> reporter: well, vaccines are not perfect in terms of protection. most of the vaccines are over 90% protective. so, two doses of the polio vaccine are protective. if the kids are not getting immunized you lose that herd immunity and then you see outbreaks and the force of infection rises and then there could be a horrific outbreak. measles it is a killer disease. and, 20% of measles cases require hospitalization. they cause measles, pneumonia. if you seen a child with whooping cough, you will never forget it. gasping for breath. we don't want to bring it back. >> you got a chance to meet salk, to me that is awesome and i am jealous. you got to meet him before he passed away. the total trust in him was in part because he did what you did when you came up with a

vaccine. he did not patent it and profit off of it. would you trace the modern skepticism -- if i had to guess it would be the internet where people who have fringe views can find each other and reenforce each other but the privatization of these things. when you have big corporations profiting people are skeptical because they think they are told to take this vaccine so someone else can get richer, do you think that is some of the source? >> reporter: it is a piece of it. i mean, what maderna and pfizer after accepting $30 billion for development costs and advance purchases of their vaccines they respond by jacking up the price to $130 a dose. that does not help. i still pin most of the blame on an organized antivaccine movement that targeted people to convince them that the covid vaccine was not safe. my estimate is 200,000

americans needlessly perished because they refused the vaccines, they were victims to this. our low-cost covid we did it with no patent and reached 100 million people. in indonesia. but most of the blame goes to disorganized antivaccine movement. >> we consider you our jonas salk of the modern era. thank you for your time. please come back, we will need you. we are a little nervous out here. >> i think it will be around for awhile, so, thank you. coming up, the future of the democratic party and what lessons they really need to learn as trump prepares to take power again. we'll be right back. toak te power again. we'll be right back. ery, when i came across a snake. fedex presents tall tales of true deliveries our battle was legendary. maybe now my friends will believe me. we did this for one delivery, see what we can do for your business. fedex.

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. many people have come up to me telling me they feel tired. maybe even resigned. folks who said to me they are not sure if they have the strength, much less the desire to stay in the fight. but let me be very clear. no one can walk away. no one can walk away. we must stay in the fight. every one of us. >> that was vice president kamala harris earlier today looking to boost sagging moral

among high school and college students and recent grads who feel demoralized by the election results. a feeling that the majority of the party shares. many are calling for an audit to figure out how the party lost control of the white house, senate and failed to retake control of the house. in the meantime, plenty of finger pointing that bubbled up in the house where the younger members are trying to unseat the olders. some failed and some succeeded. trying to unseat debbie dingle and yesterday, they voted for gerry connolly over 35-year-old cortez from new york. that said, 52-year-old angie craig of minnesota will replace 79-year-old david scott as

ranking member of the agriculture committee. despite all of it, 2024 was not a mandate for republicans, this one was a very small number of votes in a few districts in certain states. what is the democratic party supposed to do. founder of 1063 west brood and author of the book "flip the table." >> let's unflip this table, sis. kamala harris came up with the change that voters demanded but when you go to the house and senate no generational change ,does it make sense to you >>. >> it does not make sense. >> reporter: i love the lead in with her remarks about staying in the fight and . >> we could of had . >> reporter: i play that song all of the time every time i think about her. she was a disrupter. barack obama was a disrupter, folks did not want him to run for president when he decided to and look at the historic

precedency that we had. so, i actually believe that democrats have been talking about it, not on tv because i have been taking care of myself, but i have been thinking about what happened in 2024. democrats are having the wrong post election analysis. not double down on the older white leadership it is actually to shore up our base. we only win with young people, people of color, women, why not have them in leadership. why not have an aos and a crockett who are never scared, never scared of trump or republicans. >> and take regular people about regular things. they are two of the best communicators. you know, you have, you have people that have the skills but they are not pushing them forward. >> that is right. >> presley is one of your strongest communicators why is she not pushed forward. do you also feel these women of color, young women of color are getting set aside during a party that, during there campaign. this was biden's team that harris took on, refused to pay

for the ground game. they don't want to give black voters matter money, they tonight to go to the big firms run by majority of folks who made a lot of money and refused to put money on the ground to get young voters out there. >> and the consulting class tends to figure out the moderates >> convert republicans. >> reporter: you have seen the polling and conversations that hi with folks. black and brown voters did not get mailers. >> they did not. >> reporter: they were not even touched. to the point you are making about aos, and presley and crockett being great messenger, think about donald trump. he is a wonderful messenger. that is the credit i am giving him. he knows low to reach people to distract him from what the administration is going to do. we need messengers to make sure people are paying attention to all of the hearings on capitol hill, to communicate to voters.

i do not agree with bernie sanders saying we abandoned the working class people. we are the party of working class people. >> and working class people are not all white. >> reporter: they are not all white people. crockett, presley, the list goes on. those women know how to communicate to those voters. that is why you saw so many aos trump voters, she did that, people want to be engaged. >> they want authenticity and feel their voices can be heard. those are the voices that i think the party needs to concede, retire, and enjoy the rest of your life and let them be leadership. >> it seems intractable. i recall when barack obama was elected he pushed aside the dnc and created his own organization. there is a frustration with the way dnc operates t. is run by donors and consultants and people locked in the old ways of doing things. advertise on tv. look i am for tv. i am for tv, i work on tv.

they don't want to do the new world media. but then aos so good at -- aoc is so good at. >> yes. it does not make you so much money. >> no, it doesn't. >> and listen, i was a consultant. i was a consultant on the harris campaign. i care about my community first and foremost. those strategies are scrappy, they are new, they are different than the old guard. listen, there is not the 1990s. we can not continue to run those campaigns and joe biden won because of some of the scrappiness in the pan demic and defeating trump. it is -- pandemic and defeating trump. and those in dnc are all white men. >> i think about what the voter who was ride or die for harris looked like. it looked like the people at this table. looked like aoc. latinas voted for her. it was latino men. they were willing to ride with her. you are chasing republican

voters who no matter what trump does votes for trump. does not matter. >> the party should be led to your point by young women of color, right? if you want to win.. >> reporter: they are the reason democrats have some of these wins. we know how to communicate in ways to reach that moderate voter and that progressive voter. talking about the issues that people care about. kitchen table issues but we are able to talk about it in a way that reaches more people. >> aoc was a waitress. she knows what it is like to not make a lot of money. >> without health insurance. >> we have people like that, give them power. come on, democrats. >> thank you very much. that is tonight's reid out that is tonight's reid out talking about joyreidofficial. follow urour accounts at "the reidout." "all in with chris hayes," starts right winow. tonight on "all in" -- >> i have to do it. i of course, a lot ey