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get back, ana, suni williams did an exclusive interview with lester holt, and he asked her, suni, do you enjoy this extra time in space? astronauts spend time in space. interesting question. yes, i do. we're doing cutting edge research. i love being up here in space. as you mentioned a second ago, they both have families on the ground that are being pulled through the wringer on this waiting for their loved ones to return. >> i'm sure there's some heartache. they have had positive attitudes. got to give it to them. sam brock, thank you. that does it for us this hour. tune in at noon today, my colleague andrea mitchell will interview dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now. good morning. 11:00 a.m. eastern. 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin this hour with breaking news out of capitol hill where
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just in the last couple of minutes nbc news has learned the house ethics committee plans to release its report into now former congressman matt gaetz. joining us now nbc's ryan nobles and ali vitali on capitol hill and the former press secretary to former house speaker behar and ryan. let's start, ryan, with what we know about this committee plan to release this report. >> yeah, jose, this is quite a bit of an about-face by the house ethics committee that has wrestled with this question whether or not it was appropriate for them to release this report into former congressman matt gaetz, even though he was no longer a member of the body in which they have jurisdiction. and, of course, it comes after the committee, which had been working on this report for several years, was getting prepared to release this report at the end of the year, but then were thrown a curveball when gaetz was named as donald trump's pick to become the next attorney general. gaetz then subsequently resigned
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from congress leaving the ethics committee in a bit of limbo. while there is some precedent for the ethics committee to release a report of former members, that's generally not their policy, and it's something that they don't do very often. there was a push and pull between republicans and democrats on the panel. the house speaker, mike johnson, got involved. said he believed it was not appropriate for them to release this report. but then, as gaetz began his process through the confirmation on the senate side, republican senators made it very clear that they wanted to see this report before making a decision as to whether or not they were going to vote yes or no on his confirmation. gaetz then took the story in another turn by pulling himself out of the running for attorney general and making it clear he would not return to congress even though he won re-election and the ethics committee was left with a decision to make. the hand of some democrats in congress put a resolution on the
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floor for the whole house to vote on whether or not they should release the report. republicans voted to refer that back to the ethics committee and now when the ethics committee last met, they made the formal and final decision to release the report. jose, we expect it to be released at the end of the week after they finish all the other business that needs to be done before they leave on holiday break. we will finally see the results of this exhaustive report that the house ethics committee has on former congressman matt gaetz. >> ali, any reaction or any word from the former congressman? >> certainly, jose. we've seen gaetz and one of his central premises in the tweet he sent out was that he didn't have a chance to debate or rebut the things that are going to be in this report that we can now say will be released at some point in the near future. participate of what gaetz says in a very lengthy statement posted to social into yeah, he has been investigated before. this has been an on and off investigation into various
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ethical quandries that the committee has ultimately not pursued, you go but he writes in part, this is from gaetz, i was charged withing no, fully exonerated. not even a campaign finance violation and the people investigating me hated me. at the then goes on to talk about, quote, in my single dales i often sent funds to women i dated, never had sexual conduct with someone under 18, he writes, any claim i would be destroyed in court, which is why no such claim was ever made. he then goes on to make a point at the end that while it's embarrassing, in his words, but not criminal that he, in his words, probably partied, womanized, drank, and smoke more than i should, i live a different life now and never voting for continuing resolutions which, of course, brings this to a book end of what congress' actual business before the end of the year should be which is keeping the lights on and funding the
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government, but certainly for gaetz a robust rebuttal online and the fact that this report now could come out. i do think it's important to underscore ryan laid out so well the landscape here on capitol hill and the back and forth push and pull about a member who is no longer a member. there's precedent for that but we have gotten rare views sometimes to the chagrin of members on the ethics committee who take a vow not to leak, not to talk about what happens behind closed doors in their meetings. this is really one of the last committees that has that air of traditionalism to it. that what happens in the room stays in the room. we don't often get insight into the decisions that ethics has made, what investigations they are pursuing, until they decide to release it and say so themselves. it just goes to show, a, the
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volatility of matt gaetz as a former member of this body but then also the scrutiny that is being put on these typically traditional bipartisan parts of congress that are still left as rare vestiges in this building and the ways that those ends have kind of frayed during this process. >> it's a fact, aif l li, there been little leaks about this or any investigation from within that committee. >> that's exactly right. we're even watching susan wild, the democratic ranking member of that committee, face allegations from other members that she somehow basically colored outside the lines to not talk about what has happened in the room. what they're pointing to is the idea michael guest came out and said we were inconclusive, we didn't know if we were going to release it. they were deadlocked a few weeks
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ago. susan wild made the point to say, i want to make sure everyone understands deadlock doesn't mean that everyone on the committee agreed not to release the report. it can be seen by some members as members breaking the code of silence that this committee still very much has around it. >> and so, first of all, how unusual and we've been talking about it and ryan has been mentioning that it's not something we commonly see but how unusual is it for a report to be released especially after the member of congress is no longer a member of congress? >> quite rare. i guess there is some precedent to it and one of the things i'm curious about, will we get an explanation for the rationale at all. this is not a committee that holds open hearings and you don't often hear why they're doing what they're doing and we're sort of left to speculate what their motivations are. i think there could be a few things.
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yes, he has resigned but he has been elected to serve the next congress which starts in a few weeks. he said he's not going to take that seat but they may see that as a reason this should be released, maybe as a buffer for them. and building off what ali said, it does operate in secrecy. it considers itself fiercely independent. most committees of the house are in some way an extension of the parties or an extension of the leadership. the house ethics committee feels that it is an independent body that should not have any political sway and i do wonder at one point when mike johnson went publicly and tried to encourage or direct the ethics committee to not release this, if that was a mistake, if members of the committee feel like they are put in the position now of having to look like they were carrying the water of the speaker rather than doing what they wanted to do. i wonder if those members said, look, we can't allow that to be
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the imssion of how it, would, that mike johnson has told us not to release it so we will now not release it. and the other potential motivation for releasing this is maybe the most simple one. people don't like matt gaetz and he was not an easy person to work with and probably made a lot of enemies in the room throughout the process and he has attacked that panel very publicly for the way they've handled this and they probably feel like they need to speak on their own behalf to put out their side of the story of what is really going on. this process is interesting, inside baseball stuff. we'll learn more about matt gaetz, who still has, i think, a lot of ambition going forward. rumored to be interested in running for governor down the line and this could be an a watershed moment here for the public understanding of who this person really is. >> and talking about that investigative committee, what are the tools that committee has
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in its arsenal to investigate? in other words, to what level, to what degree can they investigate issues that in the gaetz specifically, gaetz specific case, go into personal moments? >> anything that would call into question the honor of the house, the realm of what they can look into. let's keep in mind there were allegations made against him that would be criminal. campaign violations but they have a broad mandate of things that could cast dishonor on the house to look into. they have a lot of investigators, serious professional staff who take this seriously. to be under investigation by the house ethics committee is no
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small thing, not, hey, come down and we'll ask you a few questions. they have investigators that will go into this. anybody caught up in this can find it disruptive to their being in the house. a thorough report they've been working on for a very long time and i imagine we'll get significant detail and will have more questions to ask even after we see it. >> ali, in other news out of capitol hill, a subcommittee investigating the january 6th panel has now recommended a criminal investigation into former congresswoman liz chaney at 3:00 a.m. president-elect trump posted on social media that chaney could be, quote, in a lot of trouble. where does this all go from here? >> i will let you leave that graphic on the screen so we can see what congresswoman chainy's reaction is to this. and she puts that phrase, interim report, in quotation remarks herself, that the
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january 6 select committee's tremendous weight of evidence and, instead, the new report fab rip fabricates reports to cover up what donald trump did. their allegations do not reflect the actual evidence and are a malicious and cowardly attack on the truth. look, we knew when republicans got control of the house chamber two years ago that this was going to be one of their co-key focuses into what the january 6 select committee so publicly and prominently laid out for the country in their own hearings. now we are watching at least the first turn of those results from the chairman, barry loudermilk. the fact that president-elect trump is latching onto it, that he's homing in on liz chaney. none of this is shocking or surprising but the thread that it then begins to pull on is the one that we've been talking about both here on this side of pennsylvania avenue and then at the other end of pennsylvania avenue at the white house which is what is the role that
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potential esumptive pardons could play and given the rhetoric, the way there is clearly signals that republicans and the president-elect are focusing on very keenly. >> how do you read this president-elect's 3:00 a.m. post, brendan? >> i'm sorry, which 3:00 a.m. post? >> the 3:00 a.m. post say that go liz chaney could be in trouble. >> i'm sorry. >> the quote was, liz cheney could be in a lot of trouble. >> they will be investigating the investigators. what is the crime that she has committed? just about anything you do as a lawmaker is proehl tekted action. it protects congress people from doing their job.
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i don't think there's significant legal pf eril for l cheney. she's going to fight back. liz cheney is a fighter. anything that focuses the mind back on january 6th is a loser for republicans. that was one of the most shameful days in american history and the inability to let that go is just bizarre to me. it does nothing to help anyone. they are so built on vengeance that it's really counter productive, not surprising but disappointing. they know this is not going anywhere but that doesn't mean there aren't going to be people in this administration who will use this report as a basis to at least initiate some type of action against her. i don't think it's going anywhere but it tries to send a signal that if you get in the
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way of donald trump, we're going to come after you. i don't think liz cheney will back down from that. she doesn't have any legal fear, i don't think, but they are certainly trying to send a necessariage. >> meanwhile, the house released the texts of that cr bill to avert friday night's shutdown. punch bowl called the spending bill, quote, a christmas stocking full of legislative goodies designed to get votes. it's 1,500 pages. what does it include? >> i describe it more like a tree than a stocking because they keep hanging things on this bill, which is part of the reason it's 1,500 pages. there's a lot of cleanup being done here, a number of issues congress let subside over the course of the year, and they're trying to pack it all in to this last-ditch effort to get it over the finish line, clear the deck for the incoming trump administration, $100 billion in disaster relief funding, relief for farmers. there's fund to go replace the
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francis scott key bridge in baltimore and something that is important to sports fans that the city of washington, d.c., gains back control of the rfk stadium site so they can begin negotiations with the commanders football team to bring the nfl back within the washington, d.c., city limits. conservatives hate this, jose. this is exactly what they've battled against for a long time. these bills where all these add-ons get put into them at the last second and the horse trading is done behind closed doors. house speaker mike johnson has been among those conservatives who has complained about this kind of legislating. he keeps promising it's coming to an end. we'll have to see if this could have some impact on his future as speaker of the house. remember, he's won the ability to become the speaker with the internal deliberations of the house republican caucus but he still needs to win the vote on the floor of the house. as we saw in the last congress that sometimes is not an easy thing to do for house republicans. >> and, i mean, so the friday
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midnight deadline, does it seem as though it's going to be to the wire, or how do you see this? >> i don't think there's any real risk the government will be shut down. at this point it's all perfunctory. maybe it extends into saturday but the treasury department can compensate for that. there's no real risk here for rely on government programs heading into the holidays. >> ryan nobodies,ally vitaly and brendan buck, thank you. new charges just announced against a man accused of trying to assassinate donald trump in florida. plus, an act of terrorism, details on the indictment of a suspect in the murder of united healthcare ceo brian thompson. we're back in 90 seconds. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. a. it's built for apple intelligence. that's like peanut butter on jelly... on gold. get four iphone 16 pro on us, plus four lines for $25 bucks. what a deal.
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the presidential candidate, from a fence line of his west palm beach international golf course here in florida. these are state charges brought by the attorney general ashley moody. he was indicted on federal charges by the department of justice for an attempted assassination. the state charges, though, are spanning from attempted murder, and we are learning here from the attorney general that there was a little girl that the attorney general says was seriously injured and nearly died in a car accident that was caused on i-95 when traffic was stopped that afternoon when the police were pursuing ryan routh in his vehicle and stopped traffic which caused an accident that severely injured that girl. now there has been over the course of the last month a standoff between the department of justice and florida ag's office as well. the ag's office in october filed a lawsuit against the doj
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arguing that they were blocking their own investigation. the attorney general says they intend to bring ryan routh to the state of florida to face the state charges, and so for the would-be assassin facing not only the federal charges but state charges in florida, jose. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. this morning the suspect in the fatal shooting of united healthcare ceo brian thompson is awaiting extradition to new york after the manhattan district attorney filed its indictment yesterday. the grand jury charged luigi mangione with 11 counts, among them one count of murder in the first degree, in furtherance of terrorism. >> frightening, well planned, targeted murder that was intended to cause shock and attention and intimidation. this was a killing that was intended to evoke terror. >> joining us now antonia hylton
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from pennsylvania, near the prison where mangione is being held and here with me in new york tom winter and the former federal prosecutor with the southern district of new york. what more are we learning this morning? >> reporter: good morning, jose. well, we know now that officials in new york are preparing for that extradition process. now that a source has spoken with nbc news has indicated to us that he's going to waive extradition, in other words, stop this fight against being transferred from pennsylvania to new york, and we expect that to happen very quickly and likely tomorrow. we also heard from governor kathy hochul in new york who tweeted new york stands ready to do whatever it takes to hold the killer accountable. we know the governor as well as jessica tisch, the nypd commissioner, planned to speak at pressers later this afternoon. those are unrelated but no doubt reporters are going to pepper them with questions and try to
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get additional comment on this case. what we also heard at that presser yesterday and was sort of alluded to in the sound you played a moment ago from d.a. alvin bragg, they're going to be building this larger cultural, contextual story, as they, of course, outlined the elevated charge of first-degree murder and discuss the elements of terrorism here. they're also talking about the fact that in addition to the premeditation to plan and execute this, they are going to say he did this with the intention to create the kind of cultural movement and possible policy discussions we have actually seen unfold over the last several days. so now the broader conversation happening in this country has been tied into this murder case that has been utterly tragic and highly unusual in so many ways, jose. now what's happening on the ground in pennsylvania is official and the community rocked by this, is preparing for
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luigi mangione to be transferred to new york very soon. >> antonia hylton, thank you so very much. tom, prosecutors yesterday revealed a series of new details about the case yesterday. what were some of them? >> some of the details included time line information, more information about the gun. seven of the charges in the 11 count indictment have to do with the gun. there's very few people besides police officers allowed to carry a gun, concealed or otherwise, in new york city at any given time. on top of that as they've said and alleged, this was a ghost gun. there are statutes against that. we have more details about this weapon yesterday and so that was interesting to pick up where antonia kind of left off there, i think this underscores in this indictment and in the press conference the real concern the nypd has about the potential for others to follow in mangione's lead and go after ceos or prominent individuals and given the fact this is the business
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capital of the world, the amount of companies based here and obviously different industries have their own controversies, their own issues that i think they want to make people understand. you're going to get a murder charge. you're not just going to get an assault charge. we are going after you for your ideology, this ideology of i need to make somebody pay in this case assault or kill somebody. this underscores our reporting, the idea of this becoming a cultural movement is something the police department is very concerned about. we heard the new police commissioner, jessica tisch, talk about that yesterday. i think that was kind of the new revelation that they're going after it. and then, as you talk to legal experts, there's the second component of if the jury is not in on the terrorism component, we're still going to hit him with serious homicide charges. >> let's talk about that one because it is kind of an unusual component, right? terrorism. what are the legal ramifications
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and where is the bar set on finding guilt or innocence on terrorism? >> new york's first-degree murder statute is different than in other states. it doesn't just mean a premeditated murder which many people think of, which is why people were surprised at first when he was charged by complaint that he hadn't been charged with first-degree murder in new york. the difference of this charge in new york is that in addition to having an intentional killing, you also have to have one of these special elements, either the victim was a police officer or a witness to a crime or the defendant tortured the victim or that it was committed in furtherance of an act of terrorism and that's what the grand jury charged mangione with here. now what prosecutors have to show is not only that it was an intentional killing but in order to get this first-degree murder charge that mangione did this with the intention of intimidating the civilian population or trying to influence government policy. this is an extra burden now they're going to have to show and what's different about it,
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they still have the second-degree murder charge, a straightforward intentional killing. what's different about this first-degree murder charge they're going to have to show is the why. why did he actually do this killing? not just that he did it, but he did it for intimidation to change policy. that allows them to get more into his writings, social media, to break down the motive here. >> interesting. tom, i know that he has two hearings tomorrow. what's that about? >> in the commonwealth of pennsylvania the state law allows for you to have a preliminary hearing. if you want to challenge, or at least have the prosecutors prove, state prosecutors, the assistant district attorneys, prove to the court there is enough there effectively, i'm speaking in layman's terms, to bring the charges against you, you can have a preliminary hearing. most, almost always, attorneys say, don't do that. why before you've had a trial, before a jury is picked, in a situation we can't call our own witnesses do you want to have
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the prosecution come in with their witnesses, the investigators and potential items of evidence and say here are all the things this guy did before you even get to a trial. that's generally always waived and will most certainly be waived here. and then there's the extradition hearing but then as nbc news is reporting this morning, the attorneys, the indication there is they're going to waive that as well. the idea is that if you're going to fight this, fight it in the place where you're ultimately going to be in the arena, if you will, which is in the manhattan district court, state court, here in new york city. he'll be waived at that point. the nypd either will drive him, fly him back to new york city and then he'll have a court appearance in new york and that whole trial and operation gets going from there. >> we know that he's hired one of the top criminal defense attorneys in the country, certainly in this area. how do you see his case going forward and how long do you think that process is going to
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take tom just described? >> the extradition process, if he waives it, it will be very fast. if he doesn't, it will take a little bit longer, but he will get to new york. he will be extradited or taken here voluntarily. it was very smart to hire a lawyer with a lot of experience within the new york state criminal system. that will certainly be an asset. look, as we understand it right now, the evidence seems pretty robust both what's been reported, what we know what was found on him when he was arrested. they're going to have to go with either a competency defense, sort of insanity type, as we talk about in layman's term, or really hoping for some sort of a jury nullification as we've seen people sort of demonizing the victim, saying this was such a wonderful thing he did. they're going to have to embrace that and go after it. that's not a legal defense. and especially with the more serious first-degree murder charges, i think it will be
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really hard to overcome the strong charges. >> tom winter, and mary, it's great seeing you. news related to tiktok next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. k. start to break away from uc with tremfya... with rapid relief at 4 weeks. tremfya blocks a key source of inflammation. at one year, many people experienced remission... and some saw 100% visible healing of their intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections may occur. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms or if you need a vaccine. healing is possible with tremfya. ask your doctor about tremfya today. ♪ i used to leak urine when i coughed, laughed or exercised.
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it will hear arguments on the constitutionality of the tiktok ban on the 10th of january, nine days before the app is set to be banned in the u.s. unless it is sold by its parent company bytedance. joining us now ylvana sellers. >> the supreme court did confirm they are taking this case up. obviously that's what tiktok was hoping. they are hoping for that injunction and hoping the supreme court was going to say, yep, let's put this whole law on pause until we decide. the fact they have not issued that injunction and have said they are hearing oral arguments nine days before that ban indicates maybe they think this will move pretty quickly but is a blow to tiktok they're not having that injunction. what this means is as it stands january 19th this app is set to be banned in the united states if the chinese owned parent company bytedance does not sell to an american owner. >> and what happens literally to people that have tiktok on their
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phones and many of them spent countless hours on it, what happens to that after the 19th of january if things remain as they are? >> not only spent countless hours, small businesses depend on it, people make their income on this. that's something tiktok keeps pointing to in statements. it won't just fly off your phone. it won't disappear. if you never had tiktok, you're not going to be able to download it. app stores, apple, android, are preparing to remove this from being able to be downloaded. if you do have the app, you'll stop getting updates. it will no longer be possible, will start to make the app defunct, the all-important algorithm will not be the same and will eventually no longer work. >> what do we know as far as dates and times? we know the 19th is d-day and the supreme court is going to be doing what by when? >> january 10th, organize arguments. i assume we will hear from tiktok before then.
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january 10th oral arguments. january 19th. the other big date for tiktok is the next day, january 20th. we have a president trump, no longer president-elect trump, the ceo just met with president-elect trump at mar-a-lago. he has indicated he would like to save the app. it remains to be said what exactly he could do, maybe something like directing his attorney general to not enforce it but, again, that raises questions like if the app store doesn't allow it for downloads, how would that work? >> and if found to be constitutional, that's two out of the three branches of government. >> before this went to the supreme court, the court below the supreme court, said, no, we've upheld this. >> savannah sellers, great to see you. fear and terror in some texas border communities ahead of donald trump's mass deportation plans. we'll be joined by two reporters who have been investigating what people are doing to keep themselves and their families
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42 past the hour. president-elect trump made immigration the centerpiece of his campaign in many ways promising to carry out the largest deportation in history starting on his first day in office. one of the areas preparing for what could come next is south texas where 14 of 18 counties
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along the border with mexico voted for trump. joining us now msnbc's morgan radford who traveled in the area of texas, the rio grande valley area. always great seeing you, morgan. what did you learn from the people you will talked to there? >> i learned a lot of surprising things. you and i covered this issue. we've covered it all over the country and beyond, this issue has a lot of texture particularly in this place. the border is where we see the policies come to life. many there holding their collective breath saying they are scared before but are kerr -- terrified now but many support the president-elect, even some who are currently in deportation proceedings. take a look. >> i will launch the largest deportation program in american history. >> reporter: for millions of americans immigration now. >> reporter: right here in
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texas, home to an estimated 1.6 million unauthorized immigrants. 18 border counties with majority or near majority latino populations. 14 of which voted for president-elect donald trump this year. here in hidaldo county, voters had not elected a republican for president since 1972, that is until now. you voted for trump? >> yes. >> reporter: if, in fact, there are mass deportations, does that worry you. >> i think even though he made that particular political statement, it was just to get the votes for him to get elected. >> reporter: you don't think that's what trump is actually going to do? >> it's not going to happen. >> reporter: local immigration attorneys say their phones are ringing off the hook. >> believe it or not, a lot of people here you be documented support president trump and we have never seen that in that
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way. individuals that are even in deportation proceedings say that they agree with him in certain ways. >> reporter: you're clients have told you? >> yes, absolutely. >> reporter: why? >> they believe that he is good for business. to them it seems easy if they're removed that they come back in but at the end of the day what matters is that money is coming into the family and into their businesses. >> reporter: but others here say day one of trump means day one of terror. >> people have a lot of anxiety and fear of what's to happen. >> reporter: joaquin garcia works with a south texas nonprofit that provides legal services to undocumented people, one of several organizations across the country now holding information sessions in case of deportation. >> power of attorney for your kids. have money saved because if you're facing deportation, your bills still have to get paid. birth certificate of your country of origin. evidence you've been paying
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taxes in texas and evidence you've been living in the u.s. >> reporter: evidence someone knows where they are, where to get them, find them on day one. >> on day one. >> reporter: a scenario very real for people like maria who says she's lived here in the united states for 18 years. [ speaking in a global language ] >> reporter: now they're more than scared. they are terrorized. maria declined to share her last anytime or show her face out of fear of deportation. she pays 40 a month through lupe. what would be the worst case scenario in these months? [ speaking in a global language ]. >> reporter: it would be torture for you because you already had to leave one home behind and it would be like repeating the cycle.
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>> reporter: the reason for her tears -- she tells us although her two daughters were born here, she and her husband are both undocumented, making them exactly the kind of mixed status family the president-elect has been talking about. >> i don't want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don't break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back. was there this much fear before president trump? [ speaking in a global language ] . >> reporter: you're saying before in the previous administration things were okay, but now, especially we're talking about president trump, you're saying he doesn't like us, that he thinks we're dirty, he is discriminating against us because of the color of our skin
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and he doesn't want us here. [ speaking in a global language ] what do you want for yourself and your daughters' lives? [ speaking in a global language ] yo you just wants to be together. you're not looking for luxury. you've learned to live off a little. you just want to be together. i think it's worth noting many people in the border countries have family who remember the last deportation campaign in the 1950s under president eisenhower where hundreds of thousands of people with so-called mexican last names or mexican scent were rounded up even though they had come here legally between agreements between the two countries and of the recent obama administration that saw more deportations than any other president in u.s. history, jose. >> it seems as though, in so many ways, there is a dichotomy, and yet if you peel back and you see there is a lot of
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consistency because of their knowledge of history, their knowledge it have what their families have suffered and the knowledge, also, of what it is to pursue the american dream, morgan, if you would, stay with us. i want to bring in a "new york times" reporter who covers texas focusing on the mexico border and the texas community. you spent time at the rgv as well. what did you learn from people there? >> thank you for having me, first of all. i went to high school and college in this part of texas, so i'm very familiar with the place and its people. and in the past when i've interviewed undocumented residents, it's always been a challenge because they don't want to draw attention to themselves and the authorities, but this time i found it a lot more challenging to find such people. there were a lot of meetings i had set up, people didn't know up, people stopped returning my phone calls after agreeing to talk to me initially, so there's a real palpable fear of
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uncertainty because all they know is president-elect trump has said it's going to be mass deportations taking place. they just don't know what that's going to look like. so there's a lot of fear. >> and how do you explain, edgar, that apparent dichotomy between people who can say that they're fearful for themselves, for their families, but, also, support president-elect trump? >> i think when i talk to voters, people tell me what i tell other people they worry about the price at the grocery store, interest rates going up dramatically, and they think about the economy as their main issue and they also saw the border crisis develop before them so they weren't even happy about that either, but they always thought their neighbors would be safe. they were thinking of the people crossing in large numbers from valenzuela and other countries, but now their neighbors fear
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they may also be a target. they don't know if they're going to focus on one category of migrants or the other. people who live in the area are looking at their neighbors thinking, do they think i'm undocumented as well? are they going to report me to the authorities? >> morgan, it's almost as if there is sometimes a clear difference between if you speak to people who have lived in the united states, many for decades, that have u.s.-born children, and that are always forgotten. anytime there's talk about immigration reform, about this and that, those 10, 11 million people, they're forgotten. >> pay taxes. >> pay taxes and a whole lot more and the dreamers. but they see what donald trump says is going to happen with a little bit of a different perspective because they have seen the humanitarian crisis the
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last couple of years through a different lens. >> they are the humanitarian cries is. it is them. it is their neighbors, their children. maria, we interviewed there, said my kids are trying to hide me. my kids who are american-born citizens, are trying to hide me because at this point we don't know what is going to happen, so the fear is new, the fear is palpable, and the messaging, people are concerned about the economy and how they're going to put food on their table. i think what we'll see to stand the test of time, the real metric will be if prices go back down to prepandemic levels. does it still outweigh legality and status? >> edgar, how does one explain clearly the difference between the migrant crisis and immigration reform for thousands, millions of people who have been in this country
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for decades, many, who have u.s.-born children, the dreamers. how is it that it's always bunched together? how can we help to clarify that difference? >> you're right. there are a lot of what we call mixed status families where a member of the family member may be undocumented by the children or spouse, a resident or legal resident, many fear separation. one of them gets deported, for example, they won't be able to see the children anymore. some are making plans what to do in case they get picked up at the work place or even during a traffic stop, and activists have been training some of the residents on what to do. for example, they're being told to prepare power of attorney later in case they never come home and their children can be adopted by a legal resident so they don't end up in foster care, for example. they are also being told to
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avoid attention from the police because that can land them in jeopardy. >> can we all agree, also, on how much we love the area. >> and the food. >> i went to high school near mission, texas, in a small town and went to part of the rio grande valley. >> i know that very well and am a big supporter. thank you, morgan radford and edgar sandoval. russia says it caught the man in connection to the assassination of one of their top generals. we're live in moscow with the very latest. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. r. words, "your child has cancer." well, my 18-year-old daughter was diagnosed with medulloblastoma, a brain tumor. she chose to be treated closer to her twin sister. and thankfully, she is in remission today.
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ukraine security services quickly claimed responsibility for the attack in which an explosive planted on a scooter outside an apartment building detonated as a general and ace -- his aide killed both of them. >> i can be straight with you, the united states does not support or enable operations like this. we do support and enable ukraine to defend itself and to take the fight to russian forces on the battlefield but not operations like this. >> and joining us now from moscow nbc's keir simmons. good seeing you. what does the moscow government, the russia government, say they are doing in this arrest? >> reporter: jose, the russian media are naming the man involved as a 29-year-old called kurbanav from uzbekistan. there is no official confirmation of that.
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they are also showing a video of him. he was detained outside moscow, as you can see. they're showing a video of him that purports to be him confessing to the killing. he's under arrest. all we have is russian authorities saying that's what he said, but they do, the russians, appear to have detail about what happened. you see pictures where this lieutenant general lived. he had seconds to get into his car. in that time the explosives that appear to be on a bike laid against the wall, a scooter, they detonated. close by a car with a camera in it, according to russian authorities, was feeding a live video of the events back to ukraine so this was a clearly
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carefully planned operation. we've been there today. there are apartments all around. you're left kind of stunned that it was possible to do this in plain sight, if you like, but certainly it has left russian officials furious, jose. what they're not saying so loudly here, but which is, of course, a question, is how was this possible in the heart of moscow? >> keir simmons in moscow, thank you very much. take care. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me on social media @jdbalart. thank you for the privilege of your time. a quick programming note, andrea mitchell will talk with homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas and what he knows about the mysterious drones flying over the east coast. "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. and right now on "andrea mitchell reports" breaking news. the

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