that is the only way something changes. there is no way johnson stands up and tries to go on his own without trump's blessing. trump has to say, you know what, i looked at it. i still hate this. just to get it done so people have a nice holiday. he is the only one why he will prevent a government shutdown which is why he will own it if it happens. >> pat wraps up the hour for me. you can watch clips from this show on youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. more news, right now. right no thank you for the privilege of your time.k andrea mitchell ticks up right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," no deal in sight after elon musk fired off a tweet storm against the bipartisan agreement by both the house and senate.

that was months in the making. followed by president-elect trump posting the final blow, causing it to collapse. this hour, republican congresswoman mike lawler joins us on whether ngthis puts the house speaker now in jeopardy. and democratic senator, peter welch weighing in on trump's call with nbc's garrett haake today about abolishing the debt ceiling. while the man accused of killing unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson is due in new york this hour. the extradition drama playing out across state lines from pennsylvania to new york. sand an entirely different courtroom drama today in georgia as a state appeals court removes fulton county d.a. fani willis from the 2020 election interference case, citing what the court found to be her impropriety. what this could mean for the entire case. plus, outgoing foreign relations committee chair, ben cardin with me explaining his serious concerns about donald trump's national security picks and how he says the incoming

president is already compromising u.s. policy. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in new york. right now lawmakers are scrambling to avoid a government shutdown right before the holidays, and they are running out of time to come up with a plan before the omgovernment ru out of money at midnight tomorrow. that's friday night, midnight. the chaos surrounding the fate of e the continuing resolution began when elon musk fired off more than 100 post on his own site against the bipartisan compromise put forth by speaker johnson. yesterday, president-elect donald trump then announcing he did not support the measure saying in a joint statement. vice president-elect jd vance, quote, republicans must get casmart and tough. if democrats threat ton shut down the government unless we give them everything they want, then call their bluff. and just this morning, mr. trump telling nbc's garrett haake that congress should also ditch the debt ceiling which doesn't even come due until march.

saying it would be, quote, the smartest thing that they could do. lawmakers weighing in this morning. >> that bipartisan agreement has now been detonated because house republicans have been ordered to shut down the government and hurt the very working class americans that many of them y pretend to want to help. >> we're focused on making sure that doesn't happen, but, you know, we're not the only one that is control that. we're trying to get it done today. >> and young me now, nbc news correspondents ryan nobles from capitol hill, vaughn hillyard in west palm beach, and ashley parker. so ryan, first to you and what a drama. what options are now available to speaker johnson? what could be done to avert a shutdown, and potentially save his speakership?

>> well, first addressing the most immediate need and avoiding a government shutdown, speaker johnson has to come up with a bill that can pass both the hahouse and senate, and i thinkt is very important to emphasize that that package has to been bipartisan. yes, republicans will eventually control the house, the senate, and the white house, but at this current juncture, they do not. so that means it needs to be a bill that democrats can support in the house because there will be a gaggle of republicans that vote no against any sort of y continuing resolution no matt how slimmed down it is. so you're going to need democrats in the house. y democrats control the senate, plus you need a 60-vote margin for anything to pass in the senate, and otthen of course, e president biden has to sign i into law. so his options here are very limited, especially because many house democrats and senate democrats for that matter, feel that they were jilted here. they felt they had a deal. this was a deal that was worked on for several weeks between republican and democrat appropriators, and they thought

they were at the finish line, and they feel that the rug has been pulled out from underneath them, and they also don't like the fact that this seems to be engineered not only by president-elect donald trump, but also elon musk who is an unelected tech billionaire and really should have no say in how congress operates. so this is a very difficult time here for speaker johnson. he has a very difficult needle to thread. the most likely outcome, andrea, and y most likely does not mean certain, is that he presents some sort of ia slimmed down continuing resolution, probably includes disaster relief, probably includes some aid for a farmers, but that may be it. that doesn't even get into this conversation about donald trump insisting on eliminating the debt ceiling. that's something democrats don't seem to want to entertain at this point, and to answer your second dequestion, all of this puts speakership in peril. remember, even though he has won the support of his house republicans in an internal vote, he still needs to win the vote on the floor of the house on january 3rd, and if just a

handful of house republicans who are unhappy with the way that this particular situation was conducted, worried that it foreshadows how things may happen in the future, that may be enough to blow the entire speakership bid up. there is a lot on the line here for mike johnson over the next 48 hours. >> boy, and vaughn, down there at the incoming white house, if we can call it that, let's talk about elon musk.ha it's an apparent power play, his influence has been all over this. he posted on the social media site x more than a hundred times about the bill and led the charge against it unfollowed of course, by donald trump, you know, jumping on it. what do people in trump's circle think about the effect that elon musk is having? and i have to ask, do these guys know the budget process about a gecontinuing resolution? because at one point there was e some indication that they wer saying, you know, don't spend any money now, but the government has to function. there's an inaugural coming up. that's emergency funds

potentially, but we're talking about right through to when they get this resolved if they don't do it by tomorrow night. >> andrea, you're absolutely right, and there's a lot of questions that frankly i think that would be prudent to pose to elon musk about how he sees the federal budget booking and he is the one who has suggested that he could cut a third of the rdfederal budget which would be more of the discretionary amount that is spent annually by the federal government, and there's a lot of questions coming from elon musk and really this sort of separate operating power structured here in palm beach where the president-elect and elon musk presently are, and through the course of x and the d power of social media posts, was elon musk yesterday who was k suggesting that any republica that voted yes for this short-term budget deal would be primaried in just two years' time, and it was elon musk that was calling for the government to be shut down through inauguration day, january 20th, which of course, poses a lot of

cquestions as to the leadup to inauguration, what exactly that would look like, and this is where -- government shutdowns are predate donald trump's time in s office, but if you do go back, there is a 35-day federal government shutdown from december 22, 2018, to january 25, 2019. so government shutdowns are something that donald trump has been dowilling to play with, ani think we have heard from donald trump that they would not do business as usual this second term of the trump administration, and in large part, we are watching that play out now in realtime before he g even takes office and the extt to which elon musk remains a power center hihere, there's no indication that he is going anywhere at this point in time, and he is essentially serving as a proxy online to donald trump, and until we hear otherwise, which i have not had any reporting to h suggest that the is any internal strife or frustration with elon musk, donald trump has a powerful right hand in elon musk who controls not only the richest

man in the world, but also is able to effectively with the push of lea button, really get house republicans to move in his direction based off of his social media posts. >> and ashley parker, it just seems to me that it's a fine reality that anything that comes out of congress right now is going to have to have with a democratic-controlled senate, but democratic-controlled, and with the house leadership with only a two-vote majority, they have to have democratic votes. they can't just do it on their own, and mike johnson is by no means assured of having all the republican votes with the freedom caucus. >> that's right. as ryan said, any bill will have to be a bipartisan bill. it is a challenge to get everyone to agree in the best of times, and now democrats are feeling jilted, right? they had a bill that they had agreed to, that a lot of them

were excited about or at the very least, found palatable, and it's not super appealing to democrats, this idea that they agree with something, they're helping republicans pass a bill, and blthen elon musk and donald trump, but especially elon musk, who is not an elected official, kills something and then they're expected to come back to kithe table, and in a bipartisan fashion, n pass something that their view is s less good for them, less good for democrats. they would argue, less good for the country.ey that is going to be an even tougher sell, in an already fairly fraught and chaotic moment. >> ryan nobles, vaughn hillyard, and ashley parker, hoping that all of our weekends and holidays are not ruled by this. and joining me now, mike lawler who just won re-election in a swing district. congressman, thanks very much for being with us.s your district is north of new york city, the bedroom

communities, the rural areas of duchess county. what do your constituents think about this? it's a giant game of chicken and from the reporting from -- the hill, newspapers, and others and you're tanking this because it's yoa christmas tree bill, and continuing resolution tends to be, and i think you're quoted as saying -- tell me if it's wrong, and i'll clean it up. i'm not an effing democrat. >> so a few things here. number one, there's a few realities that everybody has , to terms with. we are still in a divided government. democrats control the senate and the white house, and by l the w e it's fascinating, nobody's ev asking what joe biden thinks about what is happening right en now, but in order to pass anything, it does need to have bipartisan support. you're going to need democrats at sa minimum in the senate, b

umvery likely in the house to support a continuing resolution. number two, there can not be a shutdown. i have been very clear about that in the past, and remain fully committed to that. a shutdown does not solve anything. it doesn't save us money. it just creates unnecessary chaos whereas the french would say, a cluster fark. this is not that complicated. my frustration frankly was very straight forward, which is that number one, members need to be involved in the process. number two, that if we were going to do a cr with the inclusion of all of these different ies and many democratic priorities, then we would have been better off ttfinishing our appropriations work for fiscal year '25 before the 118th congress ended rather than doing a cr, and i said that

well over a month ago that kicking the appropriations process into the beginning of the trump administration is not s actually helpful to the forme president and soon-to-be president again as we go through this. so that aswas my frustration wi this. if you were going to do a cr, we're better off just doing the appropriations. otherwise, do a clean cr with disaster and move forward, and that was really the point i was making. >> congressman, just to say, a lot of us remember, you know, the old-fashioned days when they actually did budgets and appropriations in realtime.nd i covered congress at the time. so there's no question about bo that, but this was any 11th hour and that wasn't done for a variety of reasons, and not only because of democrats, but i think there's shared guilt for that. >> oh, this has been 30 years of

doing this wrongly. >> i know. >> it is both parties share responsibility for this. nobody's hands are clean in it.h >> i'm just saying at the 11th hour right before the holidays, at this late stage, it was elon musk that jumped into this. i mean, nobody asked what he thought about it, but he offered more than 100 posts on x, what used to be called twitter, and only then did the president-elect weigh in, and it's not clear who's leading the charge here. who's in charge, elon musk or donald trump? >> i erinthink it's very clear donald trump is in charge, and again, that's why washington is responding to the president's concerns. i point out again, joe biden is the sitting president, and yet no one -- no one in the media, nor othe democrats are even asking joe biden -- >> oh, we're asking. >> what his thoughts are. >> we're asking, but not getting answers. >> nobody's getting an answer and that's part of the problem here. >> what do you think should

happen now? who should step in? >> viously donald trump is going to inherit what is passed here, and so obviously his -- his opinion matters in this conversation. ultimately, we're going to need to pass the cr. we're not shutting the government down. i have ngnever supported that, d will not support that. we do need to pass the cr. i am waiting to see the details on what is being negotiated by the speaker, and leadership as are many of my colleagues, but we're going to have to pass a cr and get us into the new year. this does not work to shut down the government just a few days before christmas. so from my standpoint, obviously the details matter, and we're waiting to see what the details are, but, you know, this -- we have to get to a place where number one, members are included in the process. number two, where we actually go through uaa rational

appropriations process, we pass 12 appropriations bills through the house, and i'll remind you, andrea, senate democrats under chuck schumer, passed exactly zero appropriations bills this year.hu zero. so we are in this situation because washington does not have the muscle memory to actually do the job that it's elected to do, and we have to break this -- this process. we have to get back to regular order. we have to allow a real appropriations process where members have been put, where you actually legislate, and ultimately pass a fiscal year appropriations package. just continuing to do crs is not actually fixing the problem al here. >> appropriation bills do start in the house, but let me ask you this. >> and we passed our appropriations bills, all 12 through committee. many of them through the house floor. the senate democrats exactly zero. >> where do you stand on the speaker?th

are you now in sync which you're not usually, but are you in sync with the freedom caucus and others who believe he, you know, should not have made these macompromises and is his speakership in jeopardy?co >> anybody who's ever been married knows that you're not going owto get everything you want, and you have to compromise in life. otherwise you're going to find yourself divorced. so the reality here is very sip. simple. we have to negotiate. we are in a divided government still. the democrats control the senate and the white house, and there's going to have to be a bipartisan negotiation. i don't have objection to that.o i have objection to the process and certainly the product itself was not ideal, but the fact is that there's going to have to be a bipartisan negotiation. i support the speaker. i'm not one calling for the speaker to be removed.e i think that's idiotic. the fact is, you know, we cannot do anything until we elect a

speaker, and so if people want to certify donald trump's election on january 6th, you need a speaker to do that, and if we have a fight over a speaker on january 3rd, that is going to cause absolute chaos. so that is not going to help matters here. i think the bottom line here is, let's get a product that has consensus and support. the president has weighed in on this, and then we move forward. >> i'm putting you down in favor of a clean cr, electing a speaker, not getting divorced, and not having chaos. have a very merry christmas. >> merry christmas and happy hanukkah to everybody. >> congressman, as always, thank you very much. thung for joining us. >> thanks, andrea. bye. the nypd is escorting luigi mangione who just landed back in new york.ho there he goes, after waiting extradition from pennsylvania

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first-degree murder and other state charges in new york. joining us now is msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin at the new york city courthouse where mangione will be arraigned and jeremy soland from the manhattan d.a. talk about the federal charges now. do we know what those charges are before he'll be facing those state charges? >> reporter: andrea, we don't know what those federal charges are, but i'm glad you mentioned the federal charges. that is, in fact, where i am right now at 500 pearl street. that's the federal courthouse here in manhattan and we are expecting to see luigi mangione here today and perhaps here today before he ever sets foot in a state courthouse. we know he's landed in new york as you just mentioned. now as to the contours of the federal judges that he could face, he's obviously also been indicted on an 11-count indictment in state court, but why would the federal government get involved here? you and our viewers might be

wondering. one reason is because the penalties that could be assessed against luigi mangione if we were convicted in federal court could be a degree different and specifically, new york state has not recognized the death penalty in some period of time even though it is still on the books and many of its statutes including as a penalty for murder in the first degree, that's the first charge against luigi mangione here in state court. but, the federal government has reinstituted the death penalty in recent years during the trump administration in particular. the first of the trump administrations, and so if luigi mangione is indicted in federal court on a murder charge, one reason might be that the federal government is hoping to make this a death penalty-eligible case, andrea. >> and jeremy, mangione's new attorney is karen friedman who used to work in the manhattan d.a.'s office t office , the of you worked. according to the "wall street journal," she's had an interest in maemt defenses. talk to me about that.

>> so karen agnifilo is a competent attorney on both sides of the law. she's going to have to argue that there was mental disease or defect from prevented him from understanding not just the consequences, morally, but legally in what he was doing in that moment and thereafter. it's a heavy lift in part because of the premeditation allegations and the planning that we've heard and learned of. not impossible, but you also maybe try to use that to mitigate the conduct to lower the charge in terms of exposure, even if not meaning to beat it for lack of a better term. >> so is that an admission of guilt essentially? but it's basically a mental health reason why she was not -- >> i wouldn't say it's an admission of guilt. that's not it, but you can say he may not have committed the act and pulled the trigger when he was there, and committed the actual shooting, but he committed the crime. when you lack that intent which is not there when you have a

mental health crisis and there's the inability to formulate the intent, then you're not guilty of the crime, and the answer here is for lack of a better term, institutionalize him, rather than incarcerating him in a state prison. >> jeremy, thank you very much. lisa rubin, also, we'll be talking to you later on, i suspect as well. thank you for hustling over to the federal courthouse. and we're following breaking news on a different court case. fani willis let go from prosecuting donald trump and his codefendants in the election interference case. this overturns an earlier decision keeping willis on the case after she was scrutinized for her relationship with the special prosecutor. joining us now, barbara mcquade. how crippling is this to the case? removing d.a. fani willis from the entire case? >> i think this is a real blow for the prosecution.

of course, this is a decision by the georgia court of appeals. i imagine that willis will appeal it to the georgia supreme court before any other action is taken, but make no mistake. this is a terrible blow to the prosecution. on the one hand, the decision says despite georgia law that says ordinarily, we do not remove a prosecutor for merely an appearance of a conflict of interest, we require an actual conflict of interest, the court here said, but we're going to make a rare exception in this case because it's so important. the dissenting judge eally goes off on that that says, this is exactly why we have rules so that even in important cases, we follow them, but if this stands, the court here said she's disqualified, but the indictment remains intact. what we will see is what we saw in the case of one of the defendants, lieutenant governor burt jones who you may recall, fani willis had held a fund-raiser against his opponent and was disqualified from that case. that sent the whole case out of

her office because if a prosecutor is disqualified, her whole office is disqualified. that means it goes to a central georgia coordinating counsel where it's decided whether the case will go further, and in that case, the director of the organization said the case against burt jones should go in further, and i would expect we may see the same result with this rico prosecution. >> where do the 2020 election cases go now that the federal election case against mr. trump was also dropped because of the supreme court's immunity ruling? >> yeah. so you may recall that jack smith did something, i think, is very strategic there which was to dismiss the case without prejudice. judge tanya chutkan agreed with, that and at least in theory, the case could be brought again when donald trump is no longer president. we will see if anyone has the appetite to do that in 2029, but it is at least a theoretical possibility. >> rbara, mcquade, thank you so much.

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veteran democratic senator, ben cardin of maryland, the outgoing chair of the senate foreign relations committee, says he has serious concerns

about president-elect trump's picks for national security pox positions. he's leaving after more than half a century in the position. i spoke with him at the capitol about the president-elect, those drones, and elon musk. let's talk about some of the national security challenges right now. the drones, are you persuaded from the briefings you have had that there is no foreign adversary, no threat to national security from the drones that people are citing all over the country, particularly here in the northeast? >> there are millions of drones that are around, and that they're owned by all different types of entities and we have to get a better handle as to how drone technology is being utilized, and we though that our adversaries could take advantage of an open system we have here in the united states. so it does scream at us that we have to do more to protect our

national security, but at this moment, we have no credible information that there's a foreign threat. >> i want to ask you about salt typhoon because national security experts, including mayorkas on this program yesterday said that this is a real national security threat. >> well, first of all, it is a major security threat. secondly, i think we have an idea of the vulnerability of our system, and how china was able to get into our telecommunication system. >> we can't stop it or get them out. >> we can stop it, but it would take a tremendous amount of cost and effort. we can also monitor it and know what they're doing, and we can also prevent it from being used for malpurposes, but there's a vulnerability here. there's no question. >> what about national security? what about intelligence which has been reported by "the new york times" and not ied, that they've actually been able to get phone numbers to collect

chinese intelligence assets across the united states? compromising our ability to do counterintelligence. >> that information is really being pursued actively by intelligence community, but you raise a really good point. this is an ongoing threat. it's not over yet. they still have the capacity to intercept communications. it's not just verbal communications. it's also texts and things like that, that can be very embarrassing. it can be used for nefarious reasons, and it can compromise our own investigations. >> now i've covered a lot of transitions, and i've never seen a transition where a president-elect is actively involved in foreign policy. >> at times, that can be very upsetting, and very damaging to what we're trying to do as a nation. we can only have one president at a time. it can be confusing, and it can compromise our effectiveness with national security policies, but i don't think any of us are going to change donald trump.

>> what are your concerns about some of the potential choices for national security positions? >> i must tell you i look at the background of a lot of the individuals that the president-elect has nominated, and i have serious concerns as to whether they're the right person for where they have been nominated for. i mean, you want somebody who's going to be responsible for the intelligence of this country that has confidence and keeping that intelligence for our use and not for other countries' use. >> are you concerned about tulsi gabbard's comments in the past about slatd vladimir putin and al assad? >> of course. let the hearings go forward, but i'm very concerned about that, and i could go down the list of president trump's nominees. many have done things that are inconsistent with, as i see it, the responsibility of the position the person is nominated for. >> such as pete hegseth? >> well, that's a concern. certainly robert kennedy jr. is a concern.

i want someone who believes in public health, and good science as the head of our health department. >> and what about kash patel? he's written a book with more than 60 people whom he says should be prosecuted. >> the weaponizing of the justice department would be outrageous. so -- and use of the fbi or justice department is wrong. so these are issues that have me gravely concerned. >> i want to ask you about elon musk because he is at mar-a-lago. he's in on meetings with foreign leaders. he was in the phone call with zelenskyy and other foreign leaders. >> well, i think he has an incredible conflict. his association with the president-elect has already profited him as far as his personal assets are concerned. >> do you see a foreign policy issue with elon musk participating with foreign leaders when he has business with our government, with these governments, big business in

china, business with -- and a relationship -- he has a past relationship with putin. >> i want a person representing america on foreign policy that understands that our foreign policy is based in our values. that's what makes america the strong nation it is. i don't want a transactional person who's going into a country to see if he can make a deal. >> it sounds like you're describing the person the american people elected. >> let me see a positive note on marco rubio. i know marco rubio well. i know how he feels about american values. that's who i want talking to our foreign leaders, not mr. musk. >> do you have concerns about ukraine getting pressured too much to make territorial concessions to vladimir putin? >> it's now up to zelenskyy to tell us, what is the off ramp so we can end the act of war? what type of security commitments does he need in order to move to that point? russia will not win this war. russia cannot win this war, and mr. putin should be held

accountable for the tragedies he's created. >> what are you proudest of? >> i'm proud of the way i do business. i listen to people. i try to find a broad consensus. i believe in civility. i believe we can have differences without being nasty to each other. >> as a washington rez dent sid a sports fan, can i thank you for compromise in the continuing solution that might bring football back to d.c.? >> we recognize attaching the commanders to d.c. by the way, they have a pretty good team that year. >> yes, we do, and getting better. >> we might have a disagreement if the ravens have the commanders for the super bowl. we might have a different view there also. >> that would be such a great wish. another reason to get the continuing resolution finished. get that stadium deal done. and coming up next, more than $100 billion in disaster relief now in doubt with congress back at square one to avoid a shutdown.

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and back to capitol hill, we're only 36 hours away from a looming government shutdown if they don't come to a compromise by friday midnight after a bipartisan deal was tanked by president-elect trump and elon musk, sending the capitol into a tail spin. joining us is peter welch from vermont. you've issued a statement blasting the rejection of the deal, the disaster relief it would have brought to states like north carolina, your own state of vermont. what is your reaction to the events of the past 24 hours? >> well, it really is terrible. i mean, we have folks in north carolina and iowa and louisiana and vermont that are absolutely waiting for that disaster relief. $100 billion, and it's really going to make the difference in

vermont whether some farms are able to continue in business. it's going to make a difference in asheville, north carolina where some bookstores got wiped out or restaurants that got wrecked are going to be able to get back in business, and the basic function of government bottom line, when there's a natural weather event and things bad happen to people through no fault of their own, we have to be the backstop, and we had an agreement, and it was bipartisan, and that's now very much in jeopardy as a result of the musk intervention. >> so we're now facing a possible government shutdown. i was talking to mike lawler, the congressman from new york. he said, there can't be a shutdown, and there has to be a bipartisan agreement, but i don't see where the running room is, and he is also blaming the democratic senate for not passing appropriation bills. he says no appropriation bills have been passed by the senate, and that the house has passed them all. there must have been some poisoned pills in there. tell me at obstruction is. >> bottom line, when it comes to the appropriations process,

congress has been broken for a while, but that's -- we had an agreement that we're going to keep the lights on as speaker johnson said it cleared the decks actually for president trump. what you have that's different here is you have an agreement and you have a person who's the elected president, but he hasn't taken office. he's got an adviser who has the weight of somebody who gave $277 million to the campaign, who has a seat at the table, probably the head seat, and at the midnight hour, he is unraveling what was a hard-won and hard-negotiated agreement, that would keep the lights on for government, would allow president trump when he takes over to pursue his agenda, and most importantly, would help the folks across this country who have been hammered as a result of these natural disasters. and for what purpose? you know, for the drama of it. that is really what it appears to be.

>> one of the questions that congressman lawler raised from his republican perspective is, where is president biden in all this? >> well, the reality is the house republican conference is in the majority and president biden has been supportive of the bipartisan agreement that was negotiated. that's the reality. the person who unravelled it was first musk, and then trump, and it was without any plan as an alternative. you know, my question is, if president trump -- president-elect trump is going to unravel this, where is he? i terms of what he's proposing to be done? so this is an agreement that had the support of the president, had the support of the republican speaker and the republican leaders and democratic leaders in the senate. so we had mission accomplished, and what i keep coming back to is where is it that we would take an action that would inflict so much harm on so many

innocent people who have been affected by se storms? by the way, this disruption, you're seeing it in the stock market. this instability that we have is now going to be something that makes people insecure about their retirement accounts, what next is going to come up? are we going to actually shut government down and show that we can't do the basic functions? and it is provoked from musk and from trump who's yet to take office, but feels totally empowered to engage in interference and getting an agreement done that actually is beneficial to him. >> donald trump told nbc's garrett haake today that he's also in favor of eliminating the debt ceiling altogether, which doesn't come due until march. what's the impact of that? >> he's injecting a new issue. i mean, i've always been in favor of getting rid of the debt ceiling. it's been political gamesmanship, and it's artificial and it doesn't really address the fiscal challenges that we have, but that's going to be something that the president is going to be able to

argue and advocate for when he gets inaugurated into office on january 20. the job we have right now, keep the lights on in government, but most importantly, help those folks that are literally hanging on by their fingernails as a result of these ravaging weather events. >> senator peter welch, thank you very much, and happy holidays to you. i hope you guys can put that -- put that back together or do something. and everybody can go home. >> red states and blue states. thank you. >> thank you. and back to our breaking news from new york city where the suspect in the killing of the unitedhealthcare ceo has been extradited from pennsylvania. he's expected to arrive in lower manhattan by helicopter from the landing zone out in long island, and we think that could be his chopper now. i don't want to jump to any conclusions. luigi mangione is facing four mu -- new federal charges of stalking, use of a firearm, and

that will be lodged against him first before he has to face the state charges. you can see the press corps is preparing there. that is lower manhattan now down by the battery. back with us now, lisa rubin outside the federal courthouse on pearl street. lisa, bring us up to date on the federal charges. >> reporter: so andrea, we do now have an unsealed copy of the criminal complaint that's been filed in federal court against luigi mangione. it has four counts in it. the first count is stalking and travel and interstate commerce. essentially it means that luigi mangione purposefully traveled from state to state for the purpose or with the intent to kill, injure, or harass or intimidate another person, and that in the course of engaging in that conduct, in fact, according to the indictment, traveled from georgia to new york for the purpose of stalking and killing brian thompson, the now deceased ceo of unitedhealthcare. the second count, andrea, is

also a federal stalking count. that's stalking use of interstate facilities and that's saying that luigi mangione in the course of stalking brian thompson with the intent to kill him used a cell phone and interstate wires as well as interstate highways and the internet to carry out his plan to stalk, shoot, and kill brian thompson. the third count of the four is a murder through a firearm account, and the fourth account is a firearm offense. specifically that luigi mangione in furtherance of his crimes possessed firearm that was equipped with a silencer and muffler. you remember we understood that luigi mangione had a silencer on his gun. it allowed him to commit the alleged crime in a way that was barely detectible to people on the street, a crime that occurred in full, plain view in the middle of the morning at around -- shortly before 7:00 in the morning, but was not heard or barely detected by people in

part, because as alleged in the indictment, he used a silencer or a muffler. andrea, we are awaiting luigi mangione's arrival here at federal court in manhattan. we are also awaiting the arrival of his attorneys. we don't believe we will see luigi mangione enter the courthouse. that's because he's expected to enter underground through one of the garages that flanks the courthouse here, but his lawyers, karen friedman agnifilo are will going to be here, and s why you see the press corps outside this federal courthouse. that's all we know right now, but we're awaiting further news. >> and another former d.a. from manhattan has worked with the defense attorney who's now going to be defending mangione when he comes to the federal court for the state court later on. we don't know exactly when that

will be scheduled. jeremy is here with me on-set. let's talk about what he's about to undergo, the procedure, which is this -- to read him his rights, presumably this is accepting a plea, and we'll hear for the first time from his new attorney how he's going to respond to this. >> so he hasn't been indicted by the federal government. i understand it's just the complaint, and it's really something that is, again, normal and mundane and routine and then he's going to go back to manhattan where he's going to plead not guilty -- >> and both courthouses are in lower manhattan. >> they're literally almost across the street. right across the street. what i see this, andrea, to me, it's a little bit offensive. this is an incredibly serious matter, but it seems to me that the big footing power play by the southern district because if they really wanted this case, and it was really a federal case as opposed to a state case where they have the evidence and the indictment, they would have taken action with their own indictment. it's more of that i want to be in the big picture and be a little -- believe when i say this, not be the bridesmaid and

be it bride, and be the center of attention. this belongs in a state court and i would just say one other thing. how often do you hear about interstate travel to commit a crime and domestic situation, where someone is killed? how often does the federal government swoop in and take a case and seek more serious sentences in a domestic situation? why is the federal government here? i really wonder that question other than trying to insert themselves in a case that should be a state case. >> well, is it possibly to back up the prosecution's point, the stalking for instance? does that back up the prosecution's point that it was premeditated, that to counteract what you were discussing with me earlier, the potential mental health issues that could be used by the defense, that this showed that there was thought put into it, that he knew what he was doing was wrong and he was hiding and going across state lines plays into that? >> but how does that how does that change the state court or federal court? it's the same argument, the same evidence right in the same charges and substance. so unless there was something

about alvin bragg and the manhattan d.a.'s office that they're not competent, which you better believe they are, and the prosecutors know the trenches a heck of a lot more than those in the southern district. this case belongs in man hat ha and should be prosecuted in manhattan, and whether or not there's an argument for insanity, karen will explore that, and this does not belong in a federal courthouse, just as i would say it doesn't belong with the charges of terrorism either. both of these offices are going to lionize and martyr the same person. they're sending a message to the public, do not copycat or do this. someone is not thinking this through from a to z. >> you have been looking at these charges and how they either add to or duplicate the state charges. is this just adding on so that potentially he could get a more severe penalty? >> reporter: that's possible and we don't know the reason that the federal government has chosen to get involved here.

there has been a long war between the district attorney's office and the southern district of new york. that's the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york and arm of the department of justice and oftentimes, both offices could find themselves able to prosecute the same crimes, but from a slightly different perspective. one using the instruments of the federal government, the other using the state. what i'm responding to right now and the reason i wanted to talk more, andrea, to you and our viewers is because this criminal complaint reads very differently than the indictment from the manhattan district attorney's office which is really bare bones, just stating each one of those 11 charges. this criminal complaint on the other hand, which is basically an affidavit, attested to by an agent of the government, describes everything that mangione did here, has some pictures and still photography, pictures of the guns, describes the casings that were found on the scene, and then goes on to describe a notebook that was found with several handwritten

pages, and describes what mangione wrote in greater detail than anything that has been reported yet. i want to read to you if i can, and forgive me for the computer in front of me. he wrote on august 15, 2024, how the details are finally coming together. this is a quote. i'm glad in a way that i because it's allowed me to learn more about, and then apparently there was an act acronym for unitedhealthcare there. the target is insurance, end quote, because it, quote, checks every box. a couple of months later, andrea, he has another entry that says 1.5 months. this investor conference is a true windfall and most importantly, the message becomes self-evident. later on in that same entry daysed october 22, 2024, he describes an intent to, quote, wack, end quote, the ceo of one of the insurance companies at the investor conference.

october 22, 2024, that was approximately six weeks before the date of the murder of brian thompson, and then a letter received from mangione, it describes here as the feds letter and this is a quote to mangione. i wasn't working with anyone. we've seen this before. this was fairly trivial, some elementary social engineering, basic cad, a lot of patience, and the agent is saying here, i believe cad refers to computer-aided design, and then he says in the letter, according to the federal prosecutors here, p.s., you can check serial numbers to verify this is all self-funded, my own atm withdrawals. the federal government here, providing some greater detail from luigi mangione's own alleged writings to support that not only was this a premeditated murder, but one that necessitated his moving from state to state in order to accomplish his planned objective of killing brian thompson at that health care investor conference on the date of the murder, andrea. >> so lisa, you know, he not

only knew that they were meeting there. he was strauking.alking. he was tracking, you know, the victim so carefully. we see another helicopter coming into view, which may be actually the helicopter carrying him as you can see the reporters -- the camera crews are all standing by and ready. at this point, he's going to be charged in both courts, and the procedure today is going to be very quick. our best understanding from jonathan dietz of nbc is that he is not going to be in the state court today. he'll be held in lower manhattan, presumably in solitary for his own safety, right, lisa? >> reporter: it's not entirely clear to me where he'll be held, but remember, this federal jail behind me in manhattan has been closed for some time. what was this jail appended to 500 pearl street has now been replaced. anybody held in federal custody now in new york is really held

in the metropolitan detention center in brooklyn. that's where sean "diddy" combs, another client of the same criminal defense attorney, who's expected to make an appearance today, is being held right now. so if he does not show up in state court today, andrea, we can expect that he will be held there overnight after being arraigned on these charges. >> thank you so much, lisa rubin, and jeremy saland. we see another chopper landing here, which is an nypd chopper. not sure if this is the defendant, or the suspect himself. he came on a chopper or was coming on a chopper, we understand, from mcarthur airport, a small airport, private and commercial on long island, and not that far away, and previously there was a fixed way in the aircraft fbi or nypd, not sure which, but probably nypd taking him from pennsylvania -- from the prison

where he'd been held, where he'd had the brief hearing today and waived extradition, right? >> that's correct, and i want to point out -- i think lisa made some good points and she's looking at that complaint in its detail, and we've heard the term this is not an indictment, but speaking of indictment, jack smith and some of the things he laid out and we heard the opposite when manhattan prosecutors pursued donald trump and the hush money case if you recall. it was bare bones. there is not a necessity to lay everything out. you would expect that to come out because it's a matter of law, discovery within 15 days of the arraignment, in manhattan, in new york state, and then there's some time frame afterwards that evidence needs to be shared with the accused and the defendant. that would ultimately come out as well. whatever the evidence is. again, not an indictment. this is just a complaint. >> we've only got a minute left, and chris janising is going sine taking over. talk to me about the defense

lawyer. >> karen agnifilo was a prosecutor. she was an executive in the office. she has years of experience. i've known her for 25 years. she is more than competent in handle these cases in pursuit of the defense. she's working with her husband, mark, who served as both a state prosecutor in my old office in manhattan and the district attorney of new jersey. these others are competent, strong, strong, capable attorneys and will will give the best defense they can. >> what about the judge? >> i believe judge carrow in state court who is a firm judge, a former prosecutor himself. more often related -- even handed judge. sometimes more people-oriented, but very, very even-handed, and also a competent, knowledgeable judge. >> we don't seem to see this kind of scramble from the

waiting camera crews and i'm not sure why they panned off the chopper itself, but we don't know if that was, in fact, the chopper carrying the suspect. this is going to become clear in a few moments, we hope. obviously this is a major case, and it's going to be a gripping case for new york, and for the nation, especially because of the, you know, completely remarkable and horrendous public reaction. >> it's terrible. i hope law enforcement is handling it the right way not to martyr him when they're trying to do quite the opposite. >> when we talk about that, you know, i've -- we've seen cases like this before. t that, you know, i've -- we've seen cases like this before 1981, when john hinckley was arraigned and that assassination and, you know, that was obviously