♪♪ it is good to be back with you for this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, back-to-back courthouses. accused killer, luigi mangione leaves one in pennsylvania in route to another in new york back for the first time since the death of ceo brian thompson.

will congress careen into another government shutdown, and whether republicans can push past the pressure and vote for a funding bill before friday's deadline. plus, this is all part of a golden day for donald trump. freezing congressional action he opposes, bonnie willis disqualified in her case against him and the president-elect declaring everyone wants to be my friend after jeff bezos's visit to mar-a-lago. what 24 hours of trump wins means for the upcoming administration administration. >> and striking during the season of giving. workers who make your amazon wishes possible are walking off the job. what does that mean for the packages you hoped to get in time for the holidays. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin in new york city where luigi mangione, the man accused of killing unitedhealthcare ceo is on his way to being processed by the fbi and nypd.

erin mclaughlin is following this for us. what's the latest, erin? >> reporter: we understand that the federal hearing is scheduled to begin this hour. luigi mangione for the very first time appearing before a federal judge. we understand from our team inside the courthouse behind me that his legal counsel has arrived for the hearing. though no sign of luigi mangione inside the courtroom just yet. this is to face four additional federal charges, a complaint that was unsealed just over an hour ago. those charges including two counts of stalking, murder through use of a firearm, and a firearms offense. this in addition to the 11 state charges including murder in the first-degree. now, last night we heard in a statement railing against the

additional federal charges saying the federal government's reported decision to pile on top of an already over charged first-degree murder and state terror case is highly unusual and raises serious constitutional and statutory double jeopardy concerns. we are ready to fight these charges in whatever courts they are brought. now, mangione was flown via a six-winged aircraft from pennsylvania, having landed here at an airport near new york city from that new york city airport. he was flown by a helicopter to a helipad not far from where i'm standing now. upon his arrival, the mayor, eric adams addressed questions from the press about the support that's out there for mangione, take a listen. >> the beauty of this country is that you have the right to protest their right, and those who are protesting when someone used violence to solve a problem, we saw that on the school ground as well.

it sends the wrong message. >> reporter: now, that federal hearing, as i said, chris, expected to begin really at any moment. it's unclear when he'll be arraigned on state charges. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. now to capitol hill where right now lawmakers are working to avoid a government shut. nbc's ali vitali is following this bouncing ball for us. okay, the deadline tomorrow, midnight, what's the plan? >> good question, and it doesn't seem like lawmakers have an answer right now. you're right to point out they are very much on the clock. the deal that was in place yesterday morning that fell apart yesterday afternoon, when we left late last night, there was no apparent plan b, certainly there were ings about what that plan might be, but nothing hard and fast. now, here, you and i talking this afternoon 24 hours after everything fell apart, we're

pretty much in the same place. we are watching key republican lawmakers shuttle in and out of speaker mike johnson's office. we're watching the senate, eyeing the house very closely, while also watching their own dynamics, the fact that senate democrats run this half of the building, and they will need democrats to get on board with the plan that president-elect trump seems to want house republicans to put in place. and then there's house democrats who also recognize the fact that they have a lot of lev erage hee given the fact the margins are as close and tight as they are, and democrats looked at the plan falling apart, we had a deal, we were going to help you with that. you scuttled the deal, now listen. >> are democrats done bailing republicans out? >> we are done. we made the deal. there are things in the bill that the american people need, so we're going to have to just -- republicans are going to have to figure out what we're going to do. >> this reckless

republican-driven shutdown can be avoided. if house republicans will simply do what is right for the american people and stick with the bipartisan agreement that they themselves negotiated. >> reporter: all of what the top democrat is saying is true, this was bipartisanly negotiated. it was done with johnson and republican leadership knowing there's always going to be a pretty sizable cluster of conservatives who are never going to vote for a continuing resolution, and of course they have to look for democrats for help on passing that. that's a tale as old as time. it's not just one that has ramifications in the immediate term for how they find themselves keeping the government's lights on over christmas. it's going to come back over january. whatever decisions the speaker makes now are going to be impactful to keeping his job on january 3rd when they try to

start the ext congress. >> ali vitali, thank you. donald trump's successful bid to tank the spending bill is one of a es of wins for the president-elect in the past 24 hours. let's me bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard in west palm beach. i mentioned the fact that this is a good news for the president-elect, the fani willis case, he's had a long line of people, including jeff bezos coming to pay their respects, let's say, so what's the mood where you are? >> the mood for donald trump came across most in the social media post, everybody wants to be my friend. for donald trump, this go around runs counter to the reception that he received in his first term back in 2017, during that transition, instead, the likes of jeff ezos coming to dine with him at a time when house republicans on the capitol hill are following his every move and elon musk who has essentially

been working, it's a proxy on his behalf on x and when he looked at what victory looks like for donald trump, of course last month's election was an outright victory. for him, i think on the budget negotiations, it's a big question mark. elon musk who donald trump has not undercut in terms of his speaking out, in helping sway the conversation up on capitol hill, has called for a government shutdown until donald trump takes office again on january 20th. there's a lot of questions. exactly what a month long shutdown would potentially look like. we should note, you mentioned the fani willis decision, the georgia appeals court, making the determination that fani willis must be disqualified along with her -- the rest of her office, and that for her, and the team this is a moment where they are looking at likely appealing to the georgia supreme court to put her back on to this case. but if the georgia supreme court were to stand by the appeals

court decision, ying from her ability to prosecute her as well as the 14 defendants that remain, it would be a moment that would likely either outright lead to the dismissal of the indictment, understanding that it would be a state georgia board that would determine which district attorney's office would take the case from there and whether that district attorney would potentially hold on to the indictment or whether they would seek a new indictment or toss the charges out all together. so for donald trump right now on the legal front, he continues to have one victory after the next because at the least, this only furthers the proceedings in fulton county at a time in which we're waiting for judge merchan in new york to make the determination, whether he will delay the sentencing in manhattan until after he was to leave office come 2029, chris. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you. thousands of workers at amazon facilities across the country have walked off the job in the final days of the very busy holiday shopping season.

nbc's brian cheung is following this story for us. a lot of folks out there waiting for packages or maybe they haven't finished their christmas shopping yet. what does it mean for them? >> chris, this happening overnight, the workers at amazon facilities, as well as drivers for amazon going on strike in at least four states. the teamsters is the organizing group behind this, and they said that the reason why is because they're vocating for better pay, better benefits, and advocating for improved working conditions. on amazon's side of things, the teamsters are taking steps to coerce amazon employees to joining this strike. amazon has described as a false narrative. amazon is a massive employer, one of the biggest employers of people here in the united states. their work force over a million. so when you consider 10,000 as a fraction of their huge size, it's probably not a huge substantial portion of amazon

workers that are going on strike today. but of course, chris, this is during the peak holiday shopping season. some deadlines have passed to get things to your doorstep by the 24th, which is just next week. amazon says they do not expect or see an impact on the strike for their business. if you are ordering anything from amazon today, likely those times are probably not going to be substantially impacted at least by the strike, chris. >> brian cheung, thank you. coming up in 90 seconds, already the most powerful man in business, now, gaining power in politics too. where elon musk's influence goes from here, after helping to tor -- torpedo the government funding bill. ment funding bill everyone customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates) and then i wake up. and you have this dream every night? yeah, every night!

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again, we have our producers and reporters on the scene and we'll keep you posted. meantime, the world's richest man who hasn't been elected to anything is now flexing his newfound political power in a way we have not seen until now. elon musk with an undefined role, trump's ear and a social media megaphone that's bigger than the president-elect's, has used that power to throw the plan to fund the government into chaos, and he's done it by promoting a number of false and misleading claims, sending out more than a hundred posts on x. the bottom line, as "politico" puts it, speaker johnson has a huge new problem, elon musk. and "axios" points out, elon musk is arguably the most powerful person in business, media and at least at this moment, politics. this much power across this many pillars of society is without precedent. joining us now, melanie zanona,

senior congressional reporter for "punchbowl news" and msnbc contributor. and john kasich, former governor of ohio. brendan buck, aide to paul ryan and john boehner and msnbc political analyst. give us a sense of how musk is viewed on the hill. is he seen as the voice of trump, someone to be feared? someone viewed with contempt? help us understand? all of the above? >> he's a de facto speaker right now. yesterday when he was tweeting about this initial spending bill package and how terrible it was, he was tweeting all day, members were watching that. i had one member who was walking up to the votes and whipped out his phone to show me, hey, did you see this? it's going around right now. all the members are watching it. i was told he was working behind the scenes, calling members, speaking to them directly and personally. and mike johnson said he's in a group chat with elon musk, vivek ramaswamy, they are listening to what he has to say and a huge part of it is they believe he

speaks for trump. he is viewed as a proxy to trump. he's a very powerful voice in republican politics right now. he spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the last election. when he says something like members deserve to be primaried or ousted, they believe him. there's a lot of efforts to cozy up to trump, especially with his doge effort. you saw members lining up to be part of the caucus, and over the last 24 hours, we are seeing frustration. some members, privately behind the scenes are starting to sour on the role he is having because he doesn't understand quite how government works. he's trying to insert himself in the 11th hour, blew up all of their plans. we are a day away from a government shutdown with no path forward. there is frustration. this is of their own making. they el evated musk, particulary speaker johnson, and he has to

clean up the mess. it's unclear how they're going to get there. >> he may not know how the house works. you certainly do, having served in it. you've got elon musk, again, who is not elected to anything. he is apparently on the calls. he is making some calls. do you blame some of your former colleagues for being frustrated? >> well, look, first of all, i was chairman of the budget committee, was there when we balanced the budget for the first time since we walked on the moon and haven't done it since. >> that seems a little acrow acronistic. >> it was a different time. >> republicans can win when it comes to government shutdown. what they could do is pass a bill that doesn't have all of these additions to it, they just continue spending as it currently is without adding anything, and send it over to the senate. i don't think the wants

all of these additions, all of these christmas tree ornaments, some are important but they don't want it added. i think if the house were to pass a clean bill, just without any of these additional things that they were trying to tuck in, i think the democrats are in a tough position to reject it. then what they have to do is start arguing for some of these special favors that are in this bill. i think this is one time when actually the republicans can win. and with musk, he's saying, let's not do that. now, i would also say that trying to do what you want to do with the federal government, the federal spending, everything so intwined, you have to know what you're doing. for now, i think they have a winning message, and we'll see where it goes. this is what i would predict is going to happen, but we'll have to see. democrats may say they don't want it. if i were a republican, i would say, where do you want to spend this money. are debts too high, and that's another thing that's happening now. people are saying, i don't like the deficits, and i don't like

the debt. i do not think they're going to attach a raise in the debt ceiling on this. and that is something that democrats will object to. they can make some hay on, but i think a clean bill, i think they can get that done. >> i don't know, brendan. what do you think? is shutting down the government ever a winning move? and the other question i have just very realistically, from what the governor says, is yeah, maybe people don't want a lot of this stuff. i don't know during the holidays, as busy as people are, if they're like, reading a detailed analysis of a 1,500 page bill either. i don't know, tell us what you think. >> yeah, but it plays into the perception that there's a lot of special interest things that people want. whoever wanted those things were members of congress who at some point went to the speaker or went to the leaders and said hey, this is important to me. please include this. but to get to what the governor is saying -- >> and who, by the way, we should say that's bipartisan. it's not like it's only one

party that's going. >> exactly. so let's get back to why we ended up in this situation in the first place. they couldn't do in the first place what the governor is talking about. mike johnson probably would have loved to just do a simple three-month funding bill and a short-term cr, but he has so many of his members who will never vote for things like that that he was forced to go to hakeem jeffries and say what do you need to get democrats to vote for, i need you to bail me out once again. republicans are making these problems for themselves. this should not be hard. when the governor was in the house passing a three month cr, would not have been anything people would have blinked at. he had to give away so much stuff, he created this massive christmas tree that everybody finds objectionable, and it collapsed on itself. they could add a debt limit, and the democrats would eat that. they just can't do it all on

themselves, and until that fundamental problem changes, they're going to keep having to go to democrats, even next congress, when they control theoretically, all of government. >> so are you discounting, though, the power of the influence of, and some would say, the trouble making of elon musk, brendan? because this funding bill is something republican leadership spent a lot of time negotiating. trump spent almost no time rejecting. and elon musk tweets, and, you know, a billion people read it. you understand more than most about outside influences, but does musk's power, do you think, come from trump's long standing admiration for people with great fame and success? does he assume that if he built a great business, he can build a great government? how did we get here? >> two things, very difficult situation for leaders to have somebody with that much of a megaphone to pop up. donald trump when he was

president -- >> no one has ever had a megaphone this big, we should say. >> absolutely. and that is a huge problem that's going to probably continue to be a problem. i do think this bill was in pretty big trouble before elon musk figured out that there were problems with it. there were a lot of members with a lot of angst. he certainly pushed it over the top. the one thing i'm curious about, though, maybe he was speaking for donald trump. maybe he wasn't. either way, i don't think donald trump wants to have the perception that elon musk has more juice, more power over these members than he does. it feels very much like yesterday, at least the narrative is that elon musk was the one calling the shots, and donald trump ran to get to the front of the parade on that. that happens a few more times, i imagine donald trump is going to have to figure out a way to insert himself in the situation, and we'll have to see how that goes too. >> as i said, elon musk's reach is vast. his first post that started this chaos on wednesday morning now has i think nearly 40 million views. his posts are seen by twice as

many users as president-elect trump's, but with that reach, a number of his posts about the funding bill have been misleading or outright false. says there is no 40% pay raise. max is close to 4% that they're asking for. there is no funding for a new nfl stadium in washington. it's a transfer. i mean, but is it even possible for congress to combat misinformation from someone with so much reach? >> yeah, i think it's really difficult once the tooth paste is out of the tube to put it back in, and there was a lot of misinformation about the bill. i don't think it frankly mattered. there were a lot of issues with the idea of this bloated spending bill that had congressional pay raises, no matter what it was going to be. that's a hugely toxic third rail in politics. there's a number of issues. once musk came out swinging and whipping people into a frenzy, i think it was really going to be difficult for johnson to sort of put everyone back into a calm

place, and to be able to pass that. that being said, i had talked to some sources who said they think they could have put this bill on the floor ultimately last night, and actually passed it. obviously it would have been with the support of a lot of democrats, probably nearly all democrats but the reason why johnson didn't do that, he's speaking about his own speakership. i was talking to lawmakers yesterday who said they were no longer going to support him for speaker if he followed through with this. that was a major calculation here in his decision to yank this at the very last minute. he still could face problems in january. we're hearing people like marjorie taylor greene who had been in his corner, saying she was going to vote for him, now the idea of elon musk for speaker is never going to happen but it does show how members are starting to sour on johnson. he's got a lot of different factors at play here. he needs to keep trump and elon in his corner if he wants to keep the speaker's gavel, and that's why you see him kowtow to these demands. >> governor, can we just say, i

want to touch on something mel kneel said, -- melanie just sai, you don't have to be a member of the house to be speaker. i'm not suggesting elon musk will be speaker, but go ahead. >> i'm for you for speaker. here's the thing, ross perot is the guy that first got people paying attention to the debt, and then we won the majority in '94 and this was alive. this issue was alive. look, we have a $36 trillion national debt. the interest on the debt is more than we spend on the pentagon. there's no reason to pass a bill with all of this other stuff, and there are giveaways to the farm community, they do have to do something for, you know, providing aid to people who have been affected by these storms, but look, going forward, it's not going to be easy for musk or trump. they don't want to touch social security, medicare, any of the entitlements. there's not enough to squeeze out if you leave everything off

the table. right now, i think they've got a winning hand come january, february with small majorities, it's going to be extremely, extremely tough. but thank goodness that somebody's beginning to speak up for our children and grandchildren, about what could be a cataclysmic ultimate event if the federal government just resorts to printing more money and more money. you think we had inflation before, hold on to your seat belt. so i'm going to disagree with some of their stuff down the road, but right now, strip the bill, just pass t and then move on. >> we'll see. governor john kasich, melanie zanona, brendan buck. we have 34 hours, thank you all. i want to bring people back to what's happening in manhattan in that downtown courtroom. we're told now that luigi mangione has come to the courthouse after being processed at an fbi facility. he is meeting with his attorneys. we reported this earlier that when he was in a different courtroom in pennsylvania this morning, he was engaged.

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vladimir putin today boastful from la , despite the fall of his ally in syria, and the brazen assassination of a top general in moscow. to hear putin tell it, none of that means he has a weaker hand when he meets with president-elect trump. >> you said that this conversation will take place where i'll be in a weakened state. your colleague, well, i'm saying distinguished colleague because although despite all persecutions of our media, the russian media, you are allowed

to work here freely, isn't that good already to you and to the people who pay your salary in the united states would really like for russia to be in a weakened state. i'm of a different opinion. i think that russia became much stronger over the past two or three years. why? because we are becoming a truly sovereign country. >> i want to bring in michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia and nbc news international affairs analyst. okay, you heard him. putin insisting he and russia are in a stronger position. what's your judgment in this moment, ambassador? well, i'd say it's complicated, is russia in a stronger position than before they invaded ukraine across the board? absolutely not. they're isolated with sanctions. they have lost tens of thousands of soldiers needlessly. they have strained relations

even with chain because xi jinping does not support this war. he doesn't criticize it, but he never supported it in the united nations. all of europe is now united against him. that is not true in 2022. where he's partially right, and i say this tragically, he's partially right. is that despite fighting for three years, he has drafted more soldiers, he has sustained his military industrial complex because of support from countries like china and india, that continue to buy his fossil fuels and continue china and other countries to provide technology, and therefore tragically the russian military and military industrial complex is stronger today than say two years ago. >> so i'm curious what you'll be watching for now that president-elect trump will be taking office a little more than a month from now. you know vladimir putin, you've personally negotiated with him, so what will be some telltale signs of the relationship early

on, do you think? >> well, the most important thing is what president trump will do. if trump is serious, and his team are serious about trying to help mediate the end of this war, i think they have a tremendous possibility to do so because of this special relationship with putin. but if they come in, and they just say, well, tell us what you want, and that will be the deal, ukrainian territory, lifting of sanctions, that's not a deal. that's not the art of the deal. i was just reading "the art of the deal" this morning, and that's capitulation, that won't lead to a sustainable peace, and i hope president trump and his team understand that. the second thing, if they want to create the permissive conditions for a deal, they have to continue aid to ukraine because putin is not going to stop because trump calls him. putin is only going to stop when

his soldiers are stopped on the battlefield, and a necessary part of that is for us to make sure that he understands we are not abandoning ukraine. >> one more thing i want to ask you about from today when putin spoke, he also told keir that he would personally ask former syrian dictator about austin tice, the american journalist who went missing 12 years ago. earlier today, secretary of state blinken talked about what the u.s. is doing right now to get him home. take a listen. >> ten days before washington, before i went back to the region. i committed to her, i committed to mark, i committed to the family that we would leave no stone unturned in finding austin and bringing him home. since then we have fanned out everywhere, with every possible source, every possible actor who might be able to get information, and this involves, you know, anyone and everyone who has some relationship with

the different rising authorities in syria. we have been in direct contact with them ourselves. >> ambassador, how much influence does the u.s. or russia really have on the ground in syria right now, kinds of connections that could help his family and everyone else get answers about austin tice? >> i think we have more influence than the russians. the russians are leaving syria. they're on their way out. it reminds me of the end of their support for afghanistan, seeing them leave. i don't think they're going to be that useful. but i'm encouraged by what secretary blinken said. obviously they don't have indications of -- they haven't found tice, but there's no indications he has been killed. i think that's a positive sign, and i hope now that we have the ability to send our diplomats there and to work with other european diplomats that will be in syria and already are there, that we might be able to find

him. >> ambassador michael mcfaul, it's always good to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you. now to a verdict in the mass rape case that shocked france and frankly the world, "the new york times" calling the image of gisele, the face of courage after a court sentenced her ex-husband to 22 years in prison to admitting to drugging her and recruiting other men to rape her for nearly a decade. another 50 defendants also faced jail time, most on rape charges. nbc's hala gorani joins me now from london. how has pelicot, who is now a 72-year-old grandmother, become this feminist hero in france? >> she entered the courtroom on september 2nd when the trial started an ordinary grandmother, and she walked out today, as you mentioned, a feminist hero. there were murals painted of her in france where the trial took place, shocking details that you

mentioned there in the intro. 50 men on trial for raping her while she was unconscious, at the invitation of her own husband who provided the drugs in many cases and this happened over ten years. dominique pelicot was sentenced to 22 years in prison. the other codefendants, 47 guilty of rape, two of attempted rape, two guilty of sexual assault with sentences ranging from three to 15 years. we spoke with women's rights activists in france. one told me she was very disappointed by these sentences but she felt that gisele pelicot, the woman on the screen now, had perhaps managed to change attitudes in france. she showed her face. she said i don't regret for a second waiving my right to anonymity because i wanted people to see what horrific crimes i was subjected to and i wanted to work to do good for

the future, to essentially give hope to future generations, including her own grandchildren that the shame has to lie with the rapists and not with the rapists' victim. it's a huge moment in france, a big cultural social moment, outside of france as well. we heard reaction from olaf scholz, the german chancellor from the spanish prime minister. this is a case that has really resonated around the world, chris. >> and we see those signs, hala gorani, thank you so much. coming up on "chris jansing reports," one of the contenders to lead the democratic party will join us next. but a big question is can he lead a party when he supported a republican in november? we'll ask. republican in november we'll ask. ♪♪ good to go binge-watch. ♪♪ good to go out even later. ♪♪ with cabenuva,

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election has morphed into something more. critics say alexandria ocasio-co, democrats have not learned the lessons of the defeat, sticking with the old, instead of exploring change, youth, boldness, and there's one more chance for the party to show its hand, the upcoming election for chair of the democratic national committee. among the five declared is my next guest, robert hooten, former maryland senate candidate. you're not a household name. maybe a lot of people within the democratic party don't know you. what is your pitch to lead it? >> yes, thank you, chris, for having me. i'm trying to bring new life into our party, and i'm glad you brought up congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. i endorsed aoc because our party needs younger, bold leadership, and she does represent that. that's not to say i agree with her on many of the policies, in

fact, i vehemently disagree with aoc on a number of issues, but i'm running to be the dnc chair, because our party is the radical left, the woke and wonky, and we're not going to get out of this wilderness unless we free ourselves and i'm the messenger and leader to do this. >> you ran for senate in maryland this past election. you lost in the primary. you came out publicly to endorse a republican for governor. i'm sorry, for republican larry hogan. in the most basic way someone could argue that you could show support for your party, you didn't. how do you convince the most faithful members of the democratic party that you have the skill set to run a party that you didn't vote for, at least in that instance? >> sure. great question, chris. first, governor hogan actually agreed to meet with me and listen to me, and those thousands of voters that

supported me. angela alsobrooks refused to that. that was shocking. that's one of the reasons why i agree with governor hogan on a number of issues, lower taxes, i agree with president-elect trump on lowering taxes, including corporate tax rate from 21% to 15%, providing that the tax cuts generate millions of jobs, which i believe they will if given a year or two. if they do not, we'll have the tax rates be elevated back to the 6% that we gave. regarding other issues, i'm for generating jobs through getting rid of the offshore wind farms because of the hazard that that poses. these are common sense policies. dei, that has to go. that's just been a terrible example of where our party has drifted. it's not me leaving the party, chris, the party is leaving the people. there's no great er clarity in

seeing that than trump's decisive victory. >> the big part is messaging for the party. let me bring you into the political story of the day. how would you message the massive shutdown fight that's playing out on capitol hill right now? >> sure. another great question. first, i believe that president-elect trump, elon musk, they're trying to negotiate on the debt limit. that's really what i believe is going on. secondly, i think speaker johnson has to really step up and show leadership, as well as his conference because if they're caving to the president-elect right now, then they're going to have less and less power because they're not standing up for their elected constituents. that's what my take is on what's going on right now. you have to keep the government open. if you can't keep a functional party, you're going to end up losing not only on policy but you're going to be losing on your reelection. another key point, i'm running

to oppose, and i'm actually leading, chris, the opposition to rfk jr.'s nomination, in hhs. any senator, republican or democrat who votes to support his nomination, will be primaried and generaled and will lose reelection, vaccines, proven vaccines saving millions of lives. preventative health, public health. it's insanity that he's being considered. >> robert houton, thank you so much, appreciate you coming on the show. >> thanks, chris, have a great week. up next on "chris jansing reports." a major winter weather warning, the new fast moving storm rolling in ahead of the holiday. r rolling in ahead of the holiday.

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is it going to snow this winter? it's snowing hard in wisconsin, still snowing in minnesota. in chicago, a little bit of light snow out of this. it's not going to be a huge impact. maybe a dusting to an inch. minneapolis has had four to 6 inches. that's what we expect in green bay. milwaukee, three or 4 inches. we have 12 million people under winter headlines. just enough little snow squall activity and snow showers, friday night into saturday, much of new england, and even portions of the northeast from philly north wad ward is going t a little snow. doesn't mean it's going to stick everywhere, on the grass, possibly, probably not on the roads. we will get a coating. you'll wake up saturday morning, and the trees should be covered in many cases. this is the math for tomorrow. possible delays, it's going to be windy behind the storm, plus a little bit of snow to deal with. possible delays. same for detroit. the northeast, i think we're

going to be just fine. i don't think there's too many issues, volume issues if any. the worst will be the new york state throughway, where we have snow squalls to deal with and the pennsylvania turnpike, south of philly, scattered showers, no issues whatsoever, and as we head towards the weekend, kind of quiets down. it's going to be very cold. the great lakes and northern new england this weekend, but the rest of the country, the only exception being the pacific northwest is the only spot newscast going to that's going to have to deal with rain. it will be bitterly cold. windchills in the negative numbers, north of new york city. new york city will have windchills about 6 degrees sunday morning. it will be sunny, just be prepared as we go throughout the weekend. after that, it looks like it warms up. it's going to be a mild christmas for coast to coast. no big storms on the horizon. >> don't tell me to be prepared for 6 degree weather. no one can prepare for 6 degree weather. >> you can prepare by not going outside. that's how you prepare.

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