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neighbor. women's rights activists say gisele pelicot will be remembered for refusing to stay silent. >> how do you think she will be over? >> i think she will be remembered as a woman who refused to be silenced, and to be ashamed, and who made the other women a huge gift. the right to speak and to be heard. >> a woman who walked into the trial in ordinary grandmother, and despite her pain and trauma, walked out a feminist icon. hala gorani, nbc news. >> there is nothing ordinary about gisele pelicot. a truly extraordinary act of bravery. her bravery takes us off the air tonight. and on that note, i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up
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late with me. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow. you have to be a natural born u.s. citizen above the age of 35 to be elected president of the united states. you have to be a member of the united states senate to be elected senate majority leader. but you do not have to be a member of the house of representatives or a natural u.s. born citizen to be speaker of the house. members of the house can vote for whomever they want inside or outside of the government to be their speaker. and republicans are now toying with the idea of using that strange little quirk in the u.s. constitution to hand control of the lower chamber of the united states congress to the richest man in the world. elon musk. >> on the wall it seems to me new leadership in the house is
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inevitable. that they express such affection for vivek ramaswamy or elon. let them choose one to be their speaker. that would revolutionize everything. >> elon musk is a successful businessman. if he was speaker he would do a great job. but it's a different world up here and i just applaud him for spending his time and effort. he is a brilliant guy and that would make it interesting. >> those are republican elected officials seriously proposing elon musk as the next speaker of the house. yesterday, musk almost single handedly blew up bipartisan budget negotiations in the house and has brought the government to the brink of a shutdown. shortly there after, donald trump and jd vance released a
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joint statement saying that they now also oppose the deal. today, the current speaker of the house mike johnson spent the day in damage control mode trying to cobble together a new budget deal to replace the one that elon musk killed. a few hours ago, speaker johnson released a new government funding proposal that looked somewhat like the old government funding proposal except some key provisions had been stripped out. provisions like funding for juvenile cancer research. funding for combating opioid abuse. things that tangibly help the american people and which democrats included in this bill as their price for supporting it in the first place. the new proposal also had a big gift for donald trump. a two-year extension of the debt limit that would allow trump to avoid raising the debt limit in his first two years in office. which is probably why trump endorsed johnson's latest
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effort and called it a very good deal for the american people. elon musk put his stamp of approval on the new bill calling it a much better bill. but before anyone vote on it, democratic leader hakeem jeffries said whatever speaker johnson had cobbled together was not something his party was going to support. >> house republicans have abandoned that bipartisan agreement we entered into in good faith. a bill that house republicans negotiated. gave us your word that we were going to move forward together on behalf of the american people. it was drafted by house republicans and one or two puppet masters weigh in. and the extreme maga republicans decide to do the
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bidding of the wealthy, the well-off, the well-connected millionaires and billionaires. not working class people. >> democrats were not the only ones lining up against the bill. republican congressman chip roy spoke before the vote. >> what we are doing right now is to continue to double down on the things that are destroying the republic. i'm absolutely sickened by a party that campaigns on fiscal responsibility and goes forward to the american people and say you think this is fiscally responsible? it is absolutely ridiculous. this side of the aisle is profoundly unserious about actually reducing deficits. >> in the end, the bill failed because 38 republicans broke with their own party. their own speaker of the house, to oppose his bill. republicans so far cannot manage to organize themselves enough to keep the government open.
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but to hear republicans tell it, the very republicans who created this mess to begin with, it is all democrats' fault. >> the democrats just voted to shut down the government even though we had a clean cr because they didn't want to give the president negotiating leverage the first year of his new term. and number two, because they would rather shut down the government and fight for global censorship. >> what's the path forward mr. vance? >> joining me now are congressman lauren underwood, a democrat from illinois and congressman eric swalwell. thank you for being here. i'm eager to get your thoughts on a lot of this. first eric, let me start with you. is the government going to shut
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down tomorrow might? >> eric, please. it better not because the people i represent who rely on va benefits, social security benefits, small business loans, just want us to work together and look out for them. and what they are seeing now is this broligarchy. this group of billionaire boys donald trump has brought in to government are the ones who are calling the shots. and you know what? if elon musk and vivek want to make the government more efficient, that's great. my constituents want that as well. no one hates goth hates government waste in my town more than me but if is a way to cut social security and medicare, my colleagues will walk through hot coals and fire to stop it. and so what we are sending tonight is the message and you heard it brilliantly from leader hakeem jeffries. republicans are fighting for
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the rich. we are for the rest. >> congresswoman underwood, i thought it was fairly audacious for the vice president-elect to say that this is a democratic shut-down given the fact that 38 republicans voted against this bill. what can you tell me about the mood inside the democratic caucus? we know there were reported chants of hell no coming from a closed door meeting of the democrats this afternoon. how united is the party right now? how firm do you believe everyone is going to stand in opposition to whatever republicans propose down the line? >> well democrats remain united behind our leader hakeem jeffries who so capably articulated on the house floor our opposition to elon musk's plan to support these billionaires and the corporate
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tax cheats through their tax plan and cut social security for your mom and granny. i think house democrats are going to remain united and focused on delivering for the american people. and republicans need to look in the mirror. they need to remember it was mike johnson, donald trump, and elon musk who put us in this position. just one day before government funding ends. >> i guess i'm astounded by the fact that thus far, the plan if we are calling it that is elon musk swoops in at the 11th hour, kills the bipartisan bill. that's wednesday. thursday, the speaker of the house comes forward with a bill that democrats are not going to countenance but he can't even get his own party to vote for it. the government is barreling toward a shutdown in about 24 hours. and the house is on recess. congressman swalwell, do you think their plan now is just to say the democrats did this, go
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home and then let federal government employees just work through the holiday season with no paychecks? is it about finger pointing at this stage or is there some negotiation that has yet to happen? >> there is no plan, there is no competence. that's the problem with someone like musk horning his way in. he wants government to be efficient. by the way, i think it is interesting that the department of government efficiency has two people running it. it may not be the best way to be the most efficient. the real people affected here, it is the tsa agent who two weeks ago as this was looming pulled me aside. he knew he was going to help me with security at the airport. and he said my wife wanted me to ask you are we going to be okay? those are the types of folks who are affected by these billionaire games. to them it's not a game. it is can i provide to my kids.
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i was with a few republicans yesterday as musk was rage tweeting. and they were complete apaplectic. if you let him do this, he will own you for the next congress and every bill on the floor, you will wait around on cots to see what elon musk says you are allowed to do and that's no way to represent the people who sent you. >> wise words. at the same time, the fact that 38 republicans voted against the bill that was kind of the last ditch effort from speaker johnson that was endorsed by donald trump cosigned by i believe jd vance and elon musk, the fact they said uh-uh, no, isn't that a brushback of donald trump? it is hard to understand where this center of gravity is right now. >> well, they knew it was a bad deal. and that's why they voted no.
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so at the end of the day, we have the opportunity to come back to the floor and vote to keep government open. we have an opportunity to express our values and show up for the american people. to make sure that our economy keeps humming and this holiday season. to make sure essential government services are funded to make sure that we are offering disaster relief and funding important programs like maternal health and child cancer prevention and lowering the prescription drug costs. all these things we have to take care of. we have an opportunity to do our jobs and i hope speaker johnson, donald trump, and elon musk will get out of the way and let us do our work. >> is it your sense if democrats are going to have to help republicans pull this over the finish line that the only
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thing the democratic caucus will countenance is a return to the original bill. is that what you are getting? >> i want to be clear. when i say let us do our jobs, i mean a bipartisan agreement. it is not our responsibility to bail them out. they have the majority. mikeon son is the speaker of the house. and it is his responsibility to unify his conference and put a bill on the floor they can support. but, what i'm saying is that we have interference from billionaires like elon musk who are taking the opportunity to play orchestra conductor and donald trump was so eager to comply. and so that is how we find ourselves in this position. an unelected billionaire has blown up congressional negotiations and is shutting down the government and that is what is unacceptable. >> what is so stuning in the reporting about this and from what i understand from inside
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congress is people are generally on board with passing this thing as of wednesday. trump wasn't talking about it earlier in the week. it is a confection of elon musk's making and trump is playing catchup to figure out why he is incensed about it and adding in this debt ceiling raise almost as a face saving thing. the reason i don't like the original bill is because i need this to be in it. first of all, that's insane that elon musk is actually leading trump to be at odds with his own party. secondly, do you have this working theory about why donald trump is so keen to get the get ceiling off of his plate before he takes office? >> by the way, donald trump not too long ago did not want his party to raise the debt ceiling so this is because he is just incapable of governing so he wants them to do as much as
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they can now so he doesn't have to be serious when the desessions come down the pike. but as lauren said, look, we are unified. you have never seen this in any congress in america. the minority party, the democratic party, delivered the majority amount of votes on every vote of consequence. multiple shut-downs averted, lifting the debt ceiling to pay our bills. funding the conflict to keep ukraine in the fight. we delivered the majority so we will continue to deliver common sense and they will continue to bring chaos. it is important for the american people to know the difference. >> it is such an important point that the democrats were delivering the majority to get things passed even when republicans were running the chamber. donald trump isn't in office yet. they'll have an even slimmer majority in the house than they do now. so how are you guys thinking
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about what happens next given the utter chaos we are spiraling into before the trump administration has even begun? >> alex, i was first sworn in, in 2019 in the middle of a trump shut-down so this is not new. this is what we have come to expect from a donald trump presidency. at the end of the day, it is our jobs to stand up for the american people and make sure their interests are protected. that's it. we have to show up every day and hold the line. and that is what we are prepared to do as democrats and we are united. >> what are you telling your kids about being home for christmas? >> i'm not with my kids. my wife was just at a texas road house in the midwest with her family and she said you better get your ass home soon.
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we are all feeling it from our spouses but she also knows that tsa agent is really counting on all of us to get it eight so they can they pair bills and take their families out as well. >> we hope you are home in time for old saint nick to come down the chimney. democrats trying to hold the line in the craziest caucus. well, i won't say ever because there is always next year, thank you both for the intelligence and the guidance tonight. appreciate it. coming up, jeff bezos becomes the latest billionaire to pay tribute to the president- elect down at mar-a-lago. what exactly do these billionaires want from donald trump? we will discuss that. first, shadow president elon musk has a mess on his hands as republicans steer the country toward a government shutdown. we will discuss the
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a lot of people in congress were looking at musk's tweets. you were one of themlooking at the tweets. does musk have too much influence? >> i don't think so. this is what the american people voted for when they voted for donald trump. they voted for competency. >> competency? like shutting down the federal government six days before christmas? joining me now is the chief political adviser to senator bernie sanders. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> wow. here we are. first, let's talk about elon musk's role in all of this. i know you have been boosting the notion of him as speaker of
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the house. i assume your joking but maybe not. can you talk about the concept of elon musk running the house of representatives either officially or unofficially? >> when the republican caucus comes into power, they cannot govern. they cannot keep a faction together. it happened with john boehner, paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. it was inevitable that mike johnson was headed in this direction. who will replace him? it is comical that the direction of this republican party would obviously suggest that elon musk who doesn't know much about governing but is a billionaire and bought the last election cycle. could throw a billion dollars into republican races. they would say hey, you take it over. there are not substantiative issues at play. it is governed by money in the direction of wealth. so to me it was just the
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natural fruition. they are going to land with the billionaire calling all the shots and they are comfortable. i made a joke about it but now they are talking about it. >> and, to be done within a month-and-a-half of the republicans winning the presidency on a wave of quote unquote populism. to have the world's richest man say he doesn't like the funding because it includes pediatric cancer research. lowering the cost of drugs by reforming the pharmacy benefit managers. it is really important and raises for members of congress who are not necessarily well paid. are not necessarily wealthy themselves. need to own two homes and haven't gotten a raise in 15 years. talk to me a little bit about the sort of priorities here in terms of republicans saying
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elon musk says donald trump and we say how high. these are the provisions. >> when mike johnson came with this bill, we could have passed it. out of the blue, elon musk weighs in. why? what was elon musk's design? we don't fully know. but i have a theory. that theory is the debt ceiling. when mike johnson comes forward, one missing link was the debt ceiling and it has been used for the better part of a decade since barack obama was president. they have used that as a postage taking to compel democrats not to do things for
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working class people. but when they come into power it is a problem for them. they have a lot of plans to spend trillions of dollars on tax cuts and do stuff on immigration. building a wall. and hiring deportation agents so they can't do that if the democrats are going to apply the same logic back at them saying where's your cuts? they know they have a problem with their own republican base. so the design of elon musk was get the debt ceiling thing into biden's world. get it done now, place the blame on them and i think he heard this from the business class. they want these tax cuts and know in order to get them next year, they got to raise the debt limit now. >> it really, if that's the case, it sounds like the
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democrats are readily to play hardball. the order of operations in terms of the legislative branch, democrats have saved the day. we're not going to do it again. we are barreling toward a real problem. we are entering peak holiday season and they may shut down the federal goth if they don't get their act together. one of the most distressing things about this. you have elon musk, jd vance. they don't understand what it is like to not get a paycheck during the holidays. they don't understand what it is like to fly commercial airlines. and deal with tsa agents who are not being paid and the chaos that ensues when you have the infrastructure derailed by a non-functioning government and these are the people who ultimately hold the levers of power in terms of deciding whether the government shuts
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down or not in less than 36 hours. >> they have also begun to smoke their own kind of whatever they smoke. they believe wrongly. >> ketamine? no, you can't smoke that. go ahead. >> they believe wrongly and have come to believe that when you cut government spending, there are no real world impacts because government is loaded. it does all kinds of stuff. so to all the things you listed, those are correct. however, they live in this wielder word that says you can do these things without tangible real world impacts. they are wrong about that and we have to suffer through the moments where you learn. we are all dependent. rightly so on a government that provides all the core essential services. and all kinds of protections of all different kinds. maybe that's how we all learn that the government is doing important things. we have an elite class making
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decisions completely disassociated from working class pain and suffering. as we think about a debt limit, we end it forever. the democrats are now on a very strong position to say okay. let's negotiate. because if that is where you want to go, we can carry some votes here. we can end the debt ceiling and we have to renegotiate this to add some demands for democrats. if that's the direction to go. if they don't want to go there, if they want to play games, yeah, show me the vote. let's go. >> it is a testament to republican incompetence that the democrats have the upper hand here. thank you for your time and wisdom here. i appreciate you. still to come tonight, yet another ceo has reportedly traveled to donald trump's florida beach club to kiss the ring. what do the rich and powerful really want here? and will they get it? that's next. will they get it? that's next.
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today, six days before christmas, the teamsters union launched what it is calling the largest strike against amazon ever. >> we want everyone to have a great christmas but we feel like amazon has forced us into this. so whatever impacts we have, whatever packages are late, i just want everyone out there to
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remember this is because amazon is refusing to come to the bargaining table. >> we are out here in these conditions. whether it is hot, cold, rain, sleet. we are there and we need that respect. >> amazon says that it does not expect packages to be late and those walking off the job only make up a tiny percentage of its work force but amazon does not dispute coming to the bargaining table. they represent from seven fulfillment centers. amazon disagrees saying the teamsters union was misleading the public saying they don't represent the workers. that dispute is key here. in addition to complaints about pay and benefits, the core of the fight is about whether the
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drivers have the right to unionize and bargain at all. amazon says it has no obligation to bargain with the drivers because they are technically independent contractors. to show you how well that was landing, here is republican senator josh hawley speaking about it this week. >> according to amazon, none of these 300,000 people actually work for amazon which is convenient because in reality, amazon exercises enormous control over these delivery service partners. they control their contracts, every aspect of their businesses. they tell their partners which vendors to use, which routes to follow. you name it. they monitor the performance of
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individual drivers and in some cases they unilaterally fire the driver so my question is does that really sound like and your understanding of the law, does that sound like a classic independent contractor? >> no senator hawley. it doesn't. this year, amazon also filed a lawsuit against the agency in the u.s. government that oversees union disputes. amazon is claiming that agency itself is unconstitutional. and amazon isn't alone in that particular fight. the company is joined in that effort to overhaul the nlrb by the aerospace company spacex which is of course owned by elon musk. so last night on the eve of what the teamsters union is calling the largest streak against amazon ever, where was amazon's founder? he was reportedly at dinner at
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mar-a-lago with these two guys. >> you're the greatest cutter. i look at what you do. you walk in, you want to quit? i won't mention the name of the company, but they go on strike and you say that's okay, you're all gone. you're all gone. so every one of you is gone. >> we have no idea what donald trump and elon musk and jeff bezos discussed last night or if this pending labor action was mentioned but trump will oversee the labor relations board that they claim is unconstitutional. that means he could play a role in resolving not just this union fight but all union fights at amazon, spacex, tesla and everywhere the next four years. we discuss what trump's billionaire friendships might
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trump. now trump's delight that big business is kneeling before him is not exactly a secret. >> the first term everybody was fighting me. this term everyone wants to be my friend. my personality changed or something. >> trump is enjoying all of this attention. but what do the ceos want in return? joining me now is brian schwartz. you have been doing great reporting. not in the corner at mar-a- lago, but well coursed about who is coming in and out. the you talk about how different this court ship is compared to the last time trump was the incoming president? >> it is also different from what we have seen with president joe biden. worlds different. because the ceos learned last time around that going directly to donald trump is really the best way to get what you want.
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with tim cook, he was regularly in touch with him. it is regulation, tariffs. this is what they have learned and they are going route 1 now. >> i kind of want to break down what interesting these ceos have. this is all speculation. but tariffs seem to be the looming cloud on the horizon. can you talk a little bit about how you see the relationship with trump as it concerns the tariffs? >> this is one of the reasons many of the executives are getting close to trump now. he has been very clear about what he is going to do. try to put them on goods coming
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from china, from canada. mexico. you are looking at it from the perspective of okay. if i get close enough to this guy. there will be exemptions. we had a guy that reached out to us to try to get in cup with peter navarro because he is trying to figure out how to navigate this situation. >> it is truly personal relationships that may dictate economic policy on a major scale. it is clear why big tech wants to get friendly with him. mark zuckerberg givening to his fund. like a thank you basket that donald trump is collecting
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around january 20th. google's parent company. can you talk a little bit about the relationship between tech and the incoming trump administration because they have had their knives out for silicon valley for a while. >> after the 2020 election, donald trump was public about the issues he has had with big tech. he pushed these ideas that many of those companies alluded to would fall for him losing the 2020 election. so this is really interesting. now these guys are coming right back into the fold again. mark zuckerberg who has been under attack by trump for years. came right into mar-a-lago. and now meta is giving the money. it is the beginning of this engagement of lobbying effort to get close to trump in case things start to go away that the ceos may not like. >> there is also, we talked about in the reader before this
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segment began. amazon is seeing the largest strike ever at the peak of the holiday isn't. there is a lawsuit involving musk and bezos' company. they got a lot of labor interests that trump could be a deciding factor in. and having a close relationship with the president could be a boon for business. >> what we are seeing in washington right now let's get down to this elon musk is going to be one of the most influential ceos in the world because of his proximity to trump. there is not a meeting i have heard of that does not include elon musk and donald trump in the same room whether it is business leaders. foreign leaders. this has been going on for over a month. that is something we have to keep an eye on here going
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forward. >> it is also a potential conflict of interest. elon musk is indeed a shadow president. he has very lucrative contracts through spacex. then there are social media properties. and he could make policy. >> doge. just say it. >> the way they announced it was that this group will have some sort of sway over omb. now anyone who doesn't know, this is a powerful office with sway over regulations and how they are deployed through the various agencies. that right there is a real potential conflict. >> we'll see if anyone cares about it. great to have you on the program. keep telling us what is
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we will extend funding. we will have the america first agenda come roaring in, in january for the american people. >> that was speaker mike johnson sounding optimistic about his latest effort to avoid a government shutdown minutes before 38 members of his own party defected and the vote failed. joining me know a man who knows a lot about shutdown and showdowns. brendan. steve scalise, this is the leader's daily schedule. it says friday the house will meet at 9:00 a.m. for legislative business. first and last votes expected tbd. nobody is saying if there is an alternative proposed what do you imagine is happening here? >> oh boy, it is good to be with you. it is usually never good when
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i'm here with you because things are not going well. here we are again. look, if there was an easy way out, they would have taken it by now. i think they are coming to the terms with the fact there is nothing republicans alone will vote for, to get out of this problem. that is how they got into the problem in the first place. what we are talking about here should not be that all mike johnson was trying to do was fund the government until march. but because he couldn't pass that on his own, he had to open it up to hakeem jeffries and add a bunch of stuff to it. that upset republicans and elon musk and everybody else and it fell apart. and now they have tried to go back to a republican only plan and couldn't do it. he'll have to go back to
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democrats to get out of this jam. i'm not exactly sure what the means of getting out of it would be other than a complete fold to what democrats ask for. >> if he says what can i do to make this work, he will not be speaker of the house anymore. i'll do this, but there is no way the house conference, the republicans keep him in power right? >> i'm not willing to say he is not going to be speaker again but this is the cycle every republican speaker has found themselves in. you keep yourself as far to the right as you can. you are forced to negotiate with democrats and the outcome becomes less conservative. then the same conservatives who undercut you turn around and
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blame you. it was them who forced you into that position in the first place. johnson may be okay. you know. if donald trump says give him another chance. it will probably be much more doctor meynt looking mike johnson talking about next year going to be so much better. next year will have the exact same dynamics this year has had. >> they will have a slimmer majority for the first four months of the year. by the way, it is hard for me to imagine that if donald trump and elon musk really elon musk didn't like the first deal the one where johnson has to go
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back to the democrats will not win musk's favor. so i would say in some ways have a lot of empathy. i feel sorry for mike johnson who is truly caught between a rock and a hard place. if he gets the democrats on his side, it is hard to imagine how he gets the support of elon musk who is the x factor in all of this. does it surprise you the degree to which he was able to manipulate this vote? looks like it was on track on wednesday. >> yeah. mike johnson caught himself in a bad situation with a lot of members. i don't want people to have the impression this was all smooth sailing before elon musk calm along. i guess where i am probably most sympathy for mike johnson is elon musk is learning about all of this stuff for the very first time right now. a lot of his tweets were wrong about what was in the bill. he is popping up with a lunch of misinformation about what's
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in it makes it impossible to get any support in the conference. if that is what is hanging over your head as you are trying to get things across the finish line at any moment, elon musk will fire off something he saw that may or may not be true? impossible situation to govern. it was already going to be really hard with that slim majority. now you have this hanging over you. donald trump can do the same thing at any time. in 2017, he could blow stuff up with a tweet too. >> what a time to be alive. brandon buck. thank you for offering us some historical perspective and prognostication. good to see you buddy. that's our show for tonight. now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> tonight's first word is thank you to you for depositing that beautiful holiday chocolate on my desk where i felt compelled
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