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it is good to be back with you for the second hour of chris jansing reports. at this hour plan c? what's in and out of the new deal that republicans are proposing to keep the government open before a possible shutdown. will it have the votes? party of one? donald trump's 11th hour ask to abolish the debt ceiling seems to be on the cutting room floor. missile many of the russian president's latest attack on ukraine's capital city one day after challenging ukraine's

western allies. the president and the pope, joe biden's plans for what will likely be his last international trip before leaving office, msnbc reporters are following the latest, we begin on capitol hill where lawmakers are scrambling to figure out how to keep the government open past midnight tonight. now reporting, has any real plan taking shape? >> such a good question, there behind closed doors with republicans hammering this out, speaker johnson laid out the plan that includes a government funding extension into march with disaster relief, farmville extension but does not include any plan to deal with the debt limit, the president-elect told us this was something he needed to happen as part of this package, last night they tried to do that, the problem is not

only did they not get democrats, they lost nearly 40 republicans on that version of the bill. i just had a conversation with leader steve scalise emerging out of the meeting and i asked if he talked with trump and he was asked how he feels about the plan, if they will vote tonight or if there will be a technical shutdown into the weekend. take a listen. >> the president is interested in how his administration will start in january. we have a very bold agenda starting in january, to lower inflation. to get the economy under control. >> do you think there will be a shutdown? >> we took a vote last night and we will have another. ve an >> will you vote tonight? >> he did not answer the question but we were able to ask again as he went back into the room.

you can see how busy that hallway is. everybody wants answers and he said a vote is possible tonight. does it go through the rules committee with procedural hurdles? do they try to put it on the floor and need a 2/3 majority? all of these are open questions. we do know there is a open line of communication between democratic and republican leadership in the senate, something that did not exist tony four hours ago. a lot to keep watching. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. the chaotic situation lawmakers are facing is partly because president-elect donald trump pushed to repeal the debt ceiling. garret haake is following this for us, what is donald trump saying about this today? have we heard from him? >> i am told that trump's comments to me yesterday and on social media are still operative, still his view,

mainly he would like to see it abolished entirely or suspended until 2029 after the end of his presidency. he sees it as a ticking clock, a speedbump to get in the way of an ambitious agenda, as steve scalise hinted at and julie made clear, republicans frame this as democrats who say they did not like the debt ceiling would not go along with the plan to get rid of it so we are trying something else. i talked to a source in trump world familiar and he says he has been briefed on the plan that is under discussion, he is holding off, trying to give speaker johnson and republicans some space to see what they can come up with but he is not happy. he was told that the deal last night when presented was a deal that could pass and there were 38 republicans voting against it. even the president-elect who put the country in the

situation with the and elon musk blowing up the first agreement, now stuck in the posture of watching and waiting to see what house republicans can agree to as the first step in the process. >> 38 votes is a big miscalculation. garret haake, thank you. meantime overseas, russia launched a barrage of missiles on kyiv one day after vladimir putin challenged ukraine and its western allies to a missile dual. now, following the story, what more can you tell us about the latest strikes? >> good evening, overnight, russia launching and hit military targets using long- range high precision weapons in ukraine, in response to an attack by ukraine using united states made long-range missiles on a power plant or a chemical plant rather this week, a plant

that makes fuel to make russian missiles. ukraine says that five ballistic missiles were launched by russia and its air defense managed to intercept them, in doing so, fragments and shrapnel fell, damaging a number of sites across the capitol in kyiv, killing one person and injuring a dozen. apartment buildings were damaged, medical institutions, one building housing diplomatic missions belonging to countries such as albania, portugal and argentina. this comes one day after the year end, the annual press conference by vladimir putin which is famously long, very much scripted and among the statements making headlines, vladimir putin saying he should have invaded ukraine earlier. he also joked and challenged ukraine to a duel saying that western air defenses should go

up against the russian nuclear capable missile system. calling it a 21st century high- tech dual and the attack comes at a time when volodymyr zelenskyy, the ukrainian leader was in brussels where european allies are talking about something that was once off the table, the idea of deploying european troops as peacekeepers to ukraine in the event that a deal is reached with russia to end the war, the idea proposed by friends which would mean tens of thousands of european troops, worth noting that president-elect trump is not in favor of sending boots on the ground in ukraine to guarantee the safety of that country. >> daniele hamamdjian, thank you. president biden plans to meet with pope francis on what will likely be his final international trip of the presidency. what more do we know about this

trip? >> president biden has been to four countries in the last three months, i was with him two weeks ago in angola and we thought that would be the last foreign trip, of his presidency, now we have learned the president will travel to italy and to the vatican early in january meeting with pope francis on january 10 according to the white house after accepting invitation from the pope just yesterday during a phone call these two men had where they talked about peace in light of christmas coming, but the president also thanked the pope for his work on human rights and religious freedom. likely to be two topics that they will address in their meeting next month at the vatican. there is a possibility that they will talk about the death penalty. pope francis a couple days ago asking catholics to pray for people who were on death row in

the u.s. saying they should pray for those sentences to be commuted. catholic bishops in the u.s., after that, say they want to see president biden commute the sentences of 40 people on death row. those things that come up in those conversations next month, he will also meet with the italian president and the italian prime minister who has been instrumental in the work by the g-7. >> on this friday before christmas, i understand the president and first lady are planning to make a holiday visit to the children's national hospital. what do we know about that? >> you are right, looking at the pictures, the president and first lady arrived a few minutes ago. this has become a tradition dating back several decades for first ladies to go to children's hospital to spend some time with the kids, to do some reading.

president biden over the last three years in office has made this trip, they typically spend time with the kids trying to spend cheer. these little ones are folks in the hospital to the christmas holiday so for the president and the first lady to show up, this display to take time to read with these kids is something special for them in this holiday season. >> a couple of empty red chairs waiting for the president and first lady, aaron gilchrist, thank you so much. coming up, back on capitol hill right outside of the room where republicans are working on a deal to keep the government open. government open. wiffer wetjet. it's a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that! swiffer wetjet. (cough cough) (sneeze) (♪♪)

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the blame game running at full throttle as the federal government braces for a shutdown, democrats blaming the republicans tanked the legislation which had backing from trump even though 38 members of the caucus voted no. democrats, after accusing the gop a backtracking are laying out how they view republican priorities. >> the government shutdown will crash the economy and hurt working-class americans, because they would rather an act massive tax cuts for billionaire donors and fund

cancer research for children. >> ali vitali joins us from capitol hill. i can see the folks behind you. i don't know how many people have come and gone, but let's talk about how democrats, the other side, how they are navigating through all of this. >> i will be honest i don't know who is in that, but we have heard the same thing from everyone over the course of the last hour which is that there are options on the table which is a floury way to say they don't know how they are going to move forward yet. it does seem clear that the debt ceiling is out of the equation and when it comes to talking about democrats and the way they view this, that is good news to get out of a shutdown posture trying to avert it. democrats, when we saw the debt ceiling introduced from trump and mosque, democrats felt like they were losing one of the key

leverage points they may have going forward, that is important from a future negotiating posture, but more than that they felt they were blindsided after going through negotiations that previously had been bipartisan. last hour we were talking about why these funding negotiations are typically done in bipartisan fashion because republicans need the democratic votes to account for the fact that 30 republicans regularly vote against these agreements, but for democrats, this is important where they do not want to give in early because they don't feel they have negotiators on the other side in good faith. listen to a little bit of the conversation with democrats on both sides of the chamber, senate and house. senate and ho >> apparently trying to get elon musk to prove. we have an agreement we reached, now it is a totally chaotic situation for speaker johnson.

that he is dealing with. so it is speculation for support because they cannot find a way. way. >> when you listen to the fact that there are some republicans who have underscored and reiterated that they just want to do this among themselves, yesterday democrats were in the posture to say that's fine, you blew up the deal we will let you fix it from here. at the same time, democrats have prided themselves on being the people to do the commonsense thing that serves the public. my sense is they would like to get to yes without being seen as people who just bend wherever trump decides to twist and turn negotiations like this and negotiations in the future. so everyone is setting the posture for what the next two years are going to look like. the thin margins are always going to be an example of

opportunity and that is something republicans seem aware of, even if they are not keen to talk about it publicly. >> katy tur five, keep us posted. joining us now democratic congressman of pennsylvania, ranking member of the house budget committee. you have a deep understanding of numbers, presumably more than most, what are the conversations you are having? we have talked with a number of members of congress from the republican caucus, what are the conversations on the democratic side? >> rate to be back with you. we are under 10 hours away from the government shutdown and we are still waiting to hear what exactly house republicans even want. can they even reach some sort of agreement amongst themselves? let's not forget the reason why we are here is because a couple days ago after the announcement was made that we had reached a widespread agreement, leaders,

house republicans and democrats, senate republicans and senate the crowds had come together after a multi-week negotiation to announce the agreement. and then what happened? elon musk took to social media and started tweeting against its. suddenly, five or six hours later speaker johnson walked away from the bipartisan agreement. that's why we are here at the last hour and at this moment house republican leadership still has no plan, other than if they just returned to the bipartisan agreement that they walked away from 48 hours ago. >> let me ask about elon musk. we talked with a republican congressman in the last hour and i asked him specifically does elon musk have a place in these negotiations? i will read to you what dusty johnson said. he said when you've got somebody who is a brilliant

disruptor and innovator we should be willing to hear from him, but it's not like we have never been in this position before so what do you think the influence of elon musk is and what do you think the chances are that in the next nine or 10 hours something gets done? >> what i would say based on the evidence of the last 48 to 72 hours is elon musk is the leader of republicans on capitol hill because speaker mike johnson announced had reached a bipartisan agreement, elon musk took to twitter and after six or seven hours of nonstop tweeting against the agreement, house republicans flip-flopped and suddenly pulled the bill from the floor. interestingly elon musk, he blasted the agreement six or seven hours before we heard from donald trump so the

reality is elon musk is calling the shots not donald trump, not mike johnson. >> donald trump said today, i don't know if you saw what he said, he said this is a biden problem to solve, does president biden have any role in this? should he be more involved? what do you make of that analysis? >> i give donald credit, he is a witty guy and that's a nice attempt to deflect. the reality, if house leadership and their members had kept their word and not reneged on the agreement we would have wrapped this up yesterday. most members on both sides of the aisle were telling their families we would be home for christmas by now and then elon musk blew it up, house republican leadership decided instead of acting on their own accord since they were the ones elected, they decided to fall

to what musk wants. here we are now. >> there is a lot of finger- pointing. a lot of democrats are calling elon musk president musk and republicans are saying this is the democratic watch. finger-pointing aside, is there any room for real compromise and what does that look like? >> we know what the compromise looks like, it was the compromise reached and announced a couple days ago. by the way that compromise was not easy among democratic members to agree to. that's why it took weeks and a month. the sooner we get back to the bipartisan agreement, the better off. let's not forget the lesson of the 2018 shutdown which was the longest in american history happening under donald trump. the way that ended is when trump finally recognized what he was asking for was unreasonable and he dropped

demands and house republicans dropped unreasonable demands and we were able to end that shut down. i think we will see history repeat itself. >> let me ask, we have talked a lot today about the real world consequences that would ensue, if indeed there is a government shutdown. there was a prolonged one at the beginning of then preisdent trump's first term. numbers of the military will be asked to defend the country who will not be paid. there will be a lot of essential workers who will be told to come into the office. the last time we saw for example with tsa agents and other folks charged with making sure flights go off, a significant number of them did not show up. we are now in the busiest okay we have mike johnson. we are going to listen to this. >> i expect we will proceeding forward without a government shutdown and we will meet

obligations for the farmers aid, for disaster victims all over the country and making sure military and essential services and everyone who relies on the government is paid over the holidays. i will give you more details in a few moments. few moments. >> i'm going to guess, the control room, did you hear what he said leading up to that? that's it? he says we will not have a government shutdown. i don't know if that means i have come to some sort of decision. and me go back to that because of the real-world implications. do you think, some version of what we saw coming back, that you say was negotiated, you don't think that's realistic? what do you think is realistic? >> i was able to hear the second half of his remarks and it did not sound like an announcement as to whether will

put on the floor. i am standing off the floor, the doors are closed and locked so are we voting on a cr, going back to the original agreement? we are under 10 hours away, i don't get the impression that house republicans have any sort of strategy on what they will do next. it is a fitting ending to this term in congress, the term began two years ago when it took house republicans four days and 15 votes just to elect their own leader only to then vote him out nine months later. this has been a chaotic, a chaos filled congressional term. one of the least productive in american history so this is a fitting conclusion to this chaos among my house republican friends. >> there is one more x factor. we are five days from christmas. a lot of your colleagues have

plans with families and so on. what do you think, if you're a betting man, the chances that this gets resolved and you get to go home for the holidays? >> you know, i have to say and occasionally i do some sports betting on my beloved teams, go irish tonight. i will say that i really have no idea. i do fear that if we have a government shutdown, that this could be longer-lasting into january. i do think we need to redouble efforts and do everything we can to avoid a shutdown. >> i have a sister in law who lives for the fighting irish so she is with you. good luck, congressman and thank you so much for spending so much time with us. still to come on chris jansing reports. new strikes jolting the country's biggest coffee chain,

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will they or won't they? find the answer to avoid a government shutdown. let's go back to ali vitali on capitol hill. i have a short a note that says house will vote with rules under suspension. tell us what that means for

what we have been following today. >> basically they have decided on the procedural method that they are going to use and the procedure is important because it changes the number of votes you're looking for, for something to pass, doing something on suspension means you need 2/3 majority to get it and that means you need republicans in line and democrats. we are watching this coming together in real time. the meeting i have been standing outside of for a few hours seems to be wrapping up. the speaker sounding optimistic as he left the room, saying that they will have the vote potentially today and the shutdown would be averted. he did not give details, but the understanding is reporting throughout the day remains true even now that they are going to be doing three key pieces. funding the government through mid-march while including disaster relief and extension

of the farm bill, that's the crux of this and left on the floor is the debt ceiling lifting or abolishing that trump and musk tried to thrust into the conversation, upending the process and here we are at the end of it with that not part of the ultimate deal. we will be looking for trump's reaction, what the musk reaction is and that will allow them to get this over the finish line, not just with republican votes, but democratic too. >> keep us posted, i know you will. and other strikes, for the holidays, starbucks workers in three major cities walking off the job today. demanding high wages as workers from amazon facilities are on the picketing lines for the second day in the final days of the holiday rush. now, from an amazon facility in georgia, what exactly is amazon

saying about whether or not this will have a serious impact on last-minute holiday deliveries? >> they say this will have minimal impacts. teamsters are saying that thousands of workers have walked off the job onto the picket lines. asking for an increase in wages, more six-time, more pto, wages that are comparable to places like fedex or ups. they say they work long hours, making 400 deliveries per day, they work in inclement weather and is very physically demanding. let's hear what they had to say. >> we want to make sure every customer gets their packages and we need what we deserve. >> customers see the amount of work we do. >> we have hundreds of facilities and we are seeing some protest at a variety of facilities, but very few employees or drivers who drive

on behalf of the company are involved in the protest. >> that was the spokesperson for amazon saying that they have a company of 1.5 million employees so this is making a minimal impact and if you are a consumer who ordered holiday gifts, christmas five days away you will not see any impact to your deliveries. >> priya sridhar thank you. delivery drivers for amazon on strike now a round of fresh winter weather. a tough road ahead, this is what people in wisconsin are dealing with, tons of snow in time for one of the busiest travel weekends of the year. will passengers and packages arrived to their destinations on time? we are tracking both of those things. now in miami the holiday rubble -- travel rush is kicking off, i do not worry about miami with

the holiday rush? go ahead, give us an update. >> a lot of people going to vacation spots, but miami international will screen about 3 million of the 40 million passengers that the tsa is expected to screen during this holiday travel period. some of the passengers say it has been busy but not chaotic. it was crazy last year and the year before, things have improved with travelers on this airport since the pandemic. now that all depends on the airport, different airports have different experiences for travelers. when i asked to them about a possible shutdown and what that could mean for travel plans, they were worried, here is one of the passengers from earlier today. >> what do you expect the government shuts down tomorrow? >> it's going to be one of those days when i wish there

was a different form of transportation. >> reporter: no, he told me he would travel on the 25th and he was worried because of the shutdown possibility. however, the tsa administrator should a message indicating 59,000 of the 62,000 workers are essential workers and they are prepared to continue working to this holiday period even if there is a shutdown. he did warn if the shutdown were to extend into a longer period of time then travelers could see a change and it could be slower with longer waiting times for all the people traveling. >> thank you so much for that, katy tur seven. what's in the forecast to worry about? >> this ugly scene in new york city airports with low visibility and right now a ground stop for the last hour.

a stop at newark, jfk 81 minute delays, boston 172 minutes. a ground stop in place in boston so that means, so you are on a plane at o'hare with a flight to boston, they are not letting you take off, they have to play catch-up. so, that ripple effect is piling up. when you invite all the big airports in the northeast, it's only getting worse and the snow is coming down from boston down to the cape. the rain to the cape and plymouth southward but this area from boston around 495 is a ugly rush hour. you went to work looking at some snow, now 4 to 8 inches in some areas. a much more serious situation would 12 million people impacted. we will see the snow tonight and tomorrow in many areas of the northeast. >> i have it on both ends,

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news out of germany, let me tell you what we know. a car drove into a group of people at a christmas market in the eastern german city two hours west of berlin, the driver of the car has been arrested vote we do not know any details. no immediate information on whether people were killed or injured. we will keep you posted. 24 hours ago it seemed like a joke, senator rand paul floating the idea as elon musk as speaker of the house, possible, but far-fetched. now with mike johnson's hold on the gavel in peril after a possible shutdown senator paul has at least started a conversation. >> we need bold outside leadership and it needs to be a speaker from magdeburg. >> elon musk is a successful

businessman. i think he would do a great job. he is a brilliant guy. >> marjorie taylor green added on posting her possible support and then senator kevin kramer weighing in. >> i think it is somewhat constructive but also disruptive. people wanted a constructive disruptor and he fits the bill. >> in fact, elon musk was not on the ballot and he was not elected, but the question remains, if the house is headed to a vote of no-confidence to replace speaker johnson. reported from the washington post and national editor for the post as well as republican strategist and former medications director for speaker paul ryan. great to have you here. let's set the stage, how likely does it see mike johnson's speakership could be in trouble? >> it is in trouble, this has

been mounting for several days even before elon musk chimed into trash johnson's proposal, there were conversations happening among a number of republicans and it is not the usual hardliners who have been critical of johnson for the majority of the year. there are many republicans from across the conference who phil johnson has not handled the process well. he has not been committed getting with them and in closed meetings johnson says i have been communicating with trump. there is a lot johnson has to balance which is making it harder for him to tell his own house republicans what is going on at all times. one thing we all remember from kevin mccarthy and his speakership is republicans do not like when promises are broken. johnson had set for a long time he would pass a clean extension of government funding also

adding disaster relief, but as we remember he added so much more to the initial plan, that it just evolved from there and we are now at a point where the kind of plan, i don't know, a lot of moving parts today. it seems like the plan is now to vote on the bill that failed last night without anything to do with the debt ceiling, the debt is something trump requested. so house republicans will have to work through that. >> theoretically, elon musk is an option, you don't have to be a member of congress to be the speaker, but before we get to that, do you see a path for johnson to keep his job or do you think that ship sailed when 38 members of his caucus voted no? >> the thing to watch is if other names are floated to trump in the coming days, if

people make secret pilgrimages to mar-a-lago, but the whole week was about getting through this so the speaker could be reelected friday the third and electoral college win could be certified on the sixth and then getting to the transition. now a lot of that is thrown into disarray, so if you try to replace him, have designed -- find somebody else to move on with the business of government so this may be a situation where he may not be the speaker you want but he is the speaker you have. >> phil, your paper reports on elon musk the tech billionaires swift accumulation of lyrical power has sparked criticism that the incoming administration will function like a oligarchy with musk pushing for policies that will further enrich him and his companies. how much influence do you think musk does have and will have in shaping this administration's priorities and will it continue? >> an important question, the

power he has at this moment with the president-elect is extraordinary and without precedent for a unelected business member, to be this close to the president-elect, advising on so many personnel decisions in the assembly of the cabinet. weighing in on what sorts of policies will be front burner on day one and with what happened this week, causing a real explosion in terms of the legislative activity on capitol hill within the house republican conference. that is a lot of power and is indicative, of the role that elon musk wants to play when trump takes office. one thing to keep in mind, trump has historically always wanted to keep people off balance. he does not like when people in his orbit a mess too much power and we have not seen him do that yet with elon musk.

in fact he seems flattered that the world's richest man would want to spend so much time with him and be involved in decision- making. there could come a time where trump feels musk has too much power and he wants to put him in his place. that's what i would look out for. >> some call musk the shadow president. we know trump is not fond of people if they begin to outshine him so do you think this is a train wreck waiting to happen? >> is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end, no question. something that came through in the reporting, what i heard from staff and members is how frustrated they were with the misinformation that elon musk was spreading. so it's interesting to watch republicans and conservatives fight with each other. so having elon musk so having elon musk way in, creating the chaos, if that begins to wear on people, the person to watch is jd vance. he sits at the axis of trump,

musk, donald junior, the senate and the house. how he operates, going to the speaker's office, he as the powerbroker will be one of the key angles in terms of how members feel about the outside influence going forward. >> that is a good point, are you hearing concern from congress, specifically republicans about elon musk and his power and influence and the potential of a billionaire to shape policy to his own financial benefit? >> absolutely. even in the days after president-elect trump won the election, republicans, especially those who live to the first trifecta in washington member how trump himself would pressure them to fall in line, so they were expecting that. the fact that we have someone else who has a very big platform, who can just go and as we saw, ramp up a lot of the frustration that the far right

flank of the house republican conference date, musk did that and amplified it which seems to have gotten to trump which led to the moment of breaking up this deal by johnson initially and now we find ourselves in the situation. any republicans pointing out this is just a preview of the next congressional term, what it's going to look like. >> marianna sotomayor, phil rucker and mike ricci, thank you very much. >> could strikes on an israeli school derailed peace talks? you are watching chris jansing reports, only on msnbc. nbc. . and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪) at betmgm, everyone gets a welcome offer. so whether you're courtside trying to hit the over...rams of protein. or up here trying to hit the under. whew! or, hitting that win with your crew. ohhh! yes, see defense! or way up here with a same game parlay. yaw!

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incident, but according to government spokesperson who spoke with the german public broadcaster, the driver, the suspect, has been arrested. other circumstances we do not know. eight years ago, almost to the day an islamic extremist attacked a christmas market in berlin, killing 13 people. berlin is about four hours away from where this happened. joining us on the phone is msnbc analyst. as i said, the last attack was eight years ago, but there was enough concern around christmas market in germany that the interior minister said there were no indications of a danger to christmas markets this year, it was something they were tracking closely, but with a suspect in custody what does the investigation look like in this early hour? >> we have to look for co- conspirators, could there be

other attackers? this is not the only christmas market in germany, it is spread across every little enclave they have, a tradition of christmas markets. that attack from eight years ago, which we all were on the air covering and we remember the horror of that, but it is not fading in germany's memory. as you mentioned, they were putting out alerts that they had the threats from this week. it is all top of mind for them because the attacks like that can be so devastating. into the crowd, with a vehicle. all of the little tents and shops are set up so that can cause a lot of death. it is key that the police have suspect in custody. from that they can determine a motive, who he was or she was affiliated with, if anyone and maybe stop a future attack.

>> i don't know if you are near a television, but we are starting to get video from the scene, not surprisingly, we see a large police presence. would interpol be alerted and involved in this right away? >> yes, interpol will be spun up, not only that, all the intelligence agencies, of all the nations in europe and even our intelligence is spun up, everybody will be looking, when they get the name of the perpetrator, that's going to allow them to dive into all the indices and computer data to see who that person may have been affiliated with. al qaeda is still active, isis, they are still active, isis-k was striking russia in the recent past. we still have these groups. the leader, the new rebel leader of syria is a former al

qaeda operative who was a wanted man by the u.s. now he says he changed his ways. that remains to be seen, but these groups are still out there and they have used these kinds of vehicle attacks in the past on many occasions. that does not mean that it is them, but it is kind of a trademark attack for them, because they use inspired actors, in other words, people are inspired to be in the group, but they don't really have weapons or explosives, they don't have any means for the big attacks so they just follow the instructions of al qaeda, just get a car and drive it into the crowd and you can be a martyr. so that is certainly a possibility, but it could be anything. the motives can be wide and not connected to any established group.

>> we have less than a minute, but something we have talked about in the past and a lot of officials who deal with this all the time say the hardest thing for them to track is the disaffected loan actor. >> that is right because they get radicalized on the internet. their connection to the terrorist world is through the web. you know, that's the group they are trying to attach themselves to and the group they are trying to impress with their attack. this is the group they want to be part of and that's the group they want to attack. it's very difficult to uncover them, but many are uncovered by law enforcement, but you know it's going to be a sad day in germany tonight. we want to see how many killed and wounded. >> it is early and we are waiting for that information, thank you again, what we do know from a government spokesperson is someone drove a vehicle into a christmas market in eastern germany.

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