my question for you, did elon musk lose his first big governing test? go to my name on social media and tell me, did muscat lose this test? or go to arimelber.com. thanks for spending time with us. the reidout is next. tonight on the reidout. >> on this vote, the yeas are

636, two thirds being in the affirmative, the rules are suspended, the bill is passed, without objection the motion reconsidered is laid on the table. >> after elon, trump and the grinch is unavailable with a deal for the government, late today, republicans sheepishly backed down to avert a potentially devastating christmas shutdown. with a lot of help from democrats, also tonight while santa is busy with his latest list determining who is naughty or nice, we have readouts through our list of who won the year. tonight, we will be celebrating the many amazing people who made a real difference in the world this year, the trailblazers, the people holding the rich and powerful to account and those fighting for freedom and dignity of all people. and we begin tonight with the government funding nightmare before christmas which may just have been averted all thanks to the democrats.

just hours before the government was set to shut down at midnight, the house finally passed a spending bill with 366 voting yes and report no votes, all of which came from her republicans. this bill was the republican majority's plan c since the original bipartisan deal was tanked by elon musk and his junior partner, donald trump. and then the backup plan trump endorsed went down in flames with 38 of his own republicans voting against it. with this new plan includes is a sickly government funding until mid-march plus disaster relief and assistance for farmers, basically what they tried to pass yesterday minus the debt limit extension which, by the way, is what trump, there suppose a leader, was demanding. but we are not totally out of the woods just yet. the bill still needs to go through the senate, which in

congress is controlled by the democrats. only then would go to the white house with a signature from president biden. as everybody, house, senate, white house and everybody are on the brink of leaving town for the holidays. this is certainly a good sign for the millions of federal workers from troops and tsa agents who, if the government did shut down, what either be furloughed or forced to work without pay just days for the holidays. joining me now from capitol hill is nbc news congressional correspondent julie summers. julie, plan c, give us the background on how it finally got to the floor to be able to be passed mainly by democrats. >> it goes as far as saying this is actually plan b. in several hours [ inaudible ] the idea was actually to have see -- three separate votes on all of this, so they bundled it all together, but another package on the floor without the debt limit, literally an 11th hour

ask from the president-elect. he muscled it through. i will tell you yesterday you had 38 republicans who voted against plan b. today, you had 34 republicans voted against plan c or d, whatever we are calling it. and you have this vote that essentially got to the finish line by democrats who carried it, none of them voting against the bill, 194 of them or even more voted to keep the government open, to keep the lights on. now this goes over to the senate side where the sleigh bells are fuming. everyone wants to get out of town. the next question is what happens to mike johnson's future? he joked after a vote he walked up to elon musk the wannabe speaker, and elon musk told him, this seems like the hardest job in the world. i asked him, do you even want this job given how chaotic the last 37 hours have been? trump on the other side of

pennsylvania avenue -- and he told me, the speaker is a challenge in the modern era, those are his words. he said it's a great honor to serve, and it's not the most fun job in the world. he said it, yes, he is ready to be speaker again. they are going to come back in january, prepared to do the hardest work of their lives. and it will be the hardest work of their lives. >> he says he still wants a job. i apologize to the audience. it sounds like a lot of people are chatting around you. what are the signs for these can be speakers? >> its not. again, you have 34 republicans who voted against this plan, one that trump seemingly endorsed or seemed to stand in the way of. certainly because of this whole debacle, the bill wind 1600 pages to now under 200 pages, everything happened in the last 36 hours. a lot of people are pointing fingers, they only have one person they can blame successfully, and that is speaker mike johnson. however, if trump still backs him, which it sounds like he

does, [ inaudible ] to come after him. certainly, his job is safe. that doesn't mean house republicans are happy with him. there are many, marjorie taylor greene, thomas massey who said earlier today -- elon musk as speaker, i don't think anybody else in this body wants the job. but by all accounts, speaker mike johnson still lost the gavel. >> what a world, what a time to be alive. nbc's julie circuit, thank you. thank you for putting up all the noise around you in order to get the information to us. but bring in jive paul of washington. congresswoman, what a mess, i guess, is the way to put it. from your read as you are talking to your colleagues both in the democratic party and republican colleagues, who is actually in charge? is it elon musk? is that donald trump? because it certainly doesn't seem to be mike johnson. >> well, look, joy, first of all, i think hakeem jeffries is

the person who literally makes this happen, right? it's hakeem jeffries and democrats who have bailed out republicans again and again and again when they fracture, and they have embarrassing situations like they did on the floor yesterday when they are from the majority. put up a bill that contains the 11th hour demand from donald trump, and they can't even get a majority of votes for that bill. and so, i think the question you're asking is really important. because as we go to a republican trifecta, who is mike johnson actually negotiating with? is it president-elect donald trump, or is it the shadow president, elon musk? that's question number one. question number two is, what happens when it is a republican trifecta? because democrats will not -- it's a different situation when you have divided government.

because actually, in this bill, there is so much good stuff that we were able to get in it, childcare, housing investments as well as the things you mentioned. so, it's a little more complicated when you have, you know, a divided government when you're able to get some things in, but there are other things, you know, that are harder to get him. in this case, we were able to get this ridiculous, crazy 11th hour demand out and able to keep all the good things in. when it's a republican trifecta, they will have to produce the vote's, all of the votes for anything they want to do. and we have seen over and over again, they cannot keep open government. i'm not sure they can elect a speaker. we may have another 15 rounds, you know, of voting for speaker. who knows? but when you have 34, 38 republicans who are splitting from you, that's a real problem. it shows you can't govern.

it shows what a fraction coalition you have, and i think democrats need to be steely spine as we go into this next term and stick together, just say no to the things they are going to do to benefit elon musk, the richest man in the world that is calling shots for republicans, and going to hurt working people and poor people across the country. >> one of the ways in which republicans defy donald trump, 170 of them voted for this bill, democrats are the one who really carry the bill. the ones who didn't vote for it were defying donald trump. he wanted an increase in the bill. he wanted it under president biden, not him. he didn't get that. they completely defied him. mike johnson made a vague promise they would get a $2.5 trillion in debt reduction. you really can't do that without putting things like social security, medicare, eating into things that are important to americans. how -- what are democrats thinking y'all are going to be facing in the minority in january in terms of what they want to cut? >> exactly right.

they completely -- donald trump had to back down. he did not win this fight. donald trump and elon musk lost this fight to get us to suspend the debt ceiling so that they could pass trump tax scam 2.0, saving millions of dollars to the wealthiest 1%. and screw everybody else who will end up paying for that bill. so as we go into the next year, we have to take a lesson from this. first of all, we should not back down from really fighting for working people and poor people. we cannot be in a position where, you know, we have to make up for their stuff. number two, they have to stay and push all of this stuff through. >> yeah. congresswoman, thank you so much. much appreciated. joining me now is charlie dent, former congressman. thank you. welcome to the show. this is a conundrum.

this is our really great congressional reporter. he says, wednesday, trumbull primary any republican for a clean continuing resolution without a debt limit extension. friday, 170 republicans vote for it. the bill passes overwhelmingly. it does feel like donald trump has been sidelined to some extent by his funder, elon musk. is that the way you see it? >> i certainly think that elon musk beat out assistant speaker johnson. it seems elon musk got out in front of donald trump on this whole resolution compromise. which, if on donald trump, i cannot be too happy about. so, i think there's going to be inevitable collision between these two very strong personalities. we cannot have two people acting as the commander-in-

chief, essentially, in a time like this. and of course, donald trump, he -- sorry about my light, here. so, donald trump -- here it goes again. donald trump and musk are bound for a collision course, i should say. but in this whole mess to begin with, joy, because congress should have passed appropriations skills before this, but it was the hardliners in the conference and donald trump who said, let's get this all into the new year in the middle of march. they got their way. then, two days ago, president trump said, we need a debt ceiling increase. well, they shouldn't. because that conversation happens immediately after the election. immigrants are never going to concede to that in the 11th hour. they will use this as leverage. republicans have, right away, they use this as leverage, they

are taking a hostage but they will never shoot. no one will ever crush the debt ceiling. that said, it was unreasonable to demand the increase in 24 hours. so, i'm struggling with whiplash right now because of all this back-and-forth. but the reality is, there are not 218 house republicans who vote for a continuing resolution or a debt ceiling. so, therefore, we need democrats to vote for these bills. >> and, by the way, and we didn't even get into it, it didn't come down to it, but the way they were going to try to pass the bill, the parliamentary procedure they would use would require -- they needed two thirds vote -- they need democrats. hakeem jeffries is in a position of power. he has to provide votes for anything to pass. what the suppose it promise mike johnson has made to -- as you said -- the hardliners in his party, is he would give $2.5 trillion in deficit and debt reduction next year in

exchange for getting this through. that seems like an incredibly unrealistic promise that he is making that, you know, doesn't seem possible. i just want to put up for our audience. if you look up where the budget money goes, what we spend, a 50 social security. national defense is 18% which seems untouchable. it touches every state. you can't get to it by, let's say, foreign aid. foreign aid is also nothing compared to that. what are you going to cut? are you going to cut healthcare? i think that people think there is more easy money to get them there really is. talk about how that's going to look in march when we are having this fight again and the hardliners are demanding $2.5 trillion in cuts. >> i suspect they need $2.5 trillion in cuts over 10 years. remember, the discretionary budget of the united states, that is not entitlement for mandatory spending, is $1.7 trillion i think, this year, 1.8 . they want to cut more of the

discretionary budget which includes the department of defense. and the other half is nondefense discretionary spending. @of the justice department, homeland security department, nih, all the things people rely on -- but they're going to have to get that number. republicans will have to go after the mandatory or entitlement spending, medicare, medicaid, social security, they will not touch veterans benefits. they are mandatory. we are not going to be able to zero out the discretionary budget of the united states. simple as that. i hope they have some success finding savings, but we will see. >> we will see. they also want to do that and expand the 2017 trump tax cuts, expand into a gargantuan level which would leave us with a huge amount of debt. so elon musk can get tax cuts for himself and other big businesses. it will be an interesting year. i hope you come back often

because this will be a wild ride. thank you, sir. cheers. coming back, before we go to break, throughout the show tonight, we will switch up our usual friday game of who won the week with people who won the year. the first of which being a young woman who is a fifth grader, leading efforts to create an air filtration system that is able to remove cold and coated viruses from the air. she has secured $10 million in the connecticut state bond commission for the construction of the epa air filter system for other schools across the state. wow! she is a reminder that even as we stared on a future where we will be tried and tested, it's our future generation and science that will get us through it. go, eniola. we will be right back. fe. no water needed. new alka-seltzer plus fizzychews.

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thursday, luigi mangione was transferred to new york surrounded by heavily armed law enforcement. the striking almost military transfer of this loan suspect is perhaps not surprising since he faces charges that include murder as an act of terrorism to intimidate or coerce a civilian population. killing is bad,.. i am not suggesting the life of the man he is charged with killing, brian thompson, was not precious. his family mourned him before the holidays. he has two children who are without a father. we should all feel for them. that i think it is also fair to interrogate what message this very intentional show of force against the defendant who was not resisting or showing an immediate threat sends to the public. it is also striking that this killing could be characterized as terrorism when a killing like dylan roof, the mass shooter who mowed down nine protesters

at mother emmanuel church while they were at bible study, and claimed he did it because he wanted to start a race war was not charged with terrorism to intimidate or coerce a civilian population. when he was arrested not long after the mass shooting, dylan roof was not bombarded with an armada of police or treated as an imminent danger, rather, he was treated to burger king by the police who arrested him. when you compare these two cases, it's sort of hard not to draw the conclusion that the message from on high from government which is what the police are, is that murder is different when the civilian population being intimidated are middle-class, black churchgoers, and when they are wealthy, corporate ceos. the elevation of the wealthy and powerful, particularly the corporate elite to special status also feels like a message

being sent by congressional republicans, their apparent new dad and boss, the world's richest billionaire, elon musk. joining me now is michelle goldberg, new york times columnist, nbc political analyst, and host of the dino medulla show on sirius xm. michelle, i was so struck by that image of the luigi mangione arrest. it felt like a signal from police authorities. they wanted it filmed. it was filmed by the associated press. it was almost like they arrested somebody from a batman comic. this guy was unarmed, he was not a threat, but that was the show of force. do you feel about this message coming from fox news, it is absolutely the worst of murders in this case unlike, let's say, the killing by daniel penny of a homeless man on a subway? >> i was struck by the overkill for a different reason, actually. it seems to me that if you are worried about the fact that luigi mangione has become a

folk hero to a significant number of people in this country, then the last thing you want to do is make him look like some sort of cinematic super villain that requires the likes of security to transfer from one place to another, to have a mayor in attendance. and also, frankly, to charge him with terrorism which means that his political ideology is going to become part of this trial. it seems like, again, if you are worried about copycat killings, to elevate him in this way on the one hand i understand they are trying to send a message, they are trying to comfort frightened ceos in new york. i don't know if they did it or they are talking about it, they were going to have a special hotline for corporate executives who have been threatened.

i don't know that any such hotline exists for say, journalists or politicians who have been threatened. but at the same time i think the way they are going about it is going to backfire on them. >> yeah. there is also no hotline, dean, for people who die as a result of insurance companies denying them care. right? the hotline is, call the insurance company. they say no. it's not lost on me that new york city is gotham, and gotham is the heart of american capitalism, it's the seat of american finance on wall street. and the way in which -- i didn't even mention this. michelle points out the mayor needs to show up to show, you know, you will not threaten our ceos, right? it feels like a message. and i do see it reflected on fox and other right-wing media, all these podcasts that are funded by the oil, big billionaires, etc. they are sending a message, ceos are precious, don't mess with him.

>> with elon musk, he is the king, the new president of the united states of america. he has that going on. which, sure, that is interesting. republicans have a man from africa they like. he is wealthy, they're going to love you. if not, don't mess with our country. [ inaudible ] i can't help but think how donald trump is crazy. january sixth terrorists started an attack to end democracy in the name of donald trump, and on fox news they defend it. they have his rallies in the past open song by a january sixth terrorists. that begs the question if the gunmen in this case was a trump supporter who killed someone republicans viewed as an enemy, they would celebrate that person. here's where we are. that's how dangerous maga and others are. donald trump pledged to pardon those terrorists on day one,

essentially death in some cases, that's who he's going to pardon day one. >> right. the message is very striking. you know? having the man who was acquitted by a jury of his peers in new york, but he was treated to -- you know -- a very iconic football game with our military presence. you know? black lives matter is demonized simply for saying, please don't kill us, police. you know? that is considered demonic, almost, among the right. it's not because they are against violence. it is particularly violence against the kinds of elites they like. >> right. the shocking thing about this, you can believe he deserved to be acquitted. you can give him the benefit of the doubt to the jury that acquitted him. it's the idea that he deserves to be celebrated. right? what he did, even if it wasn't criminal, he ended someone's

life, recklessly. and the idea that they are turning him into this sort of hero speaks to the broader embrace of vigilante is in the republican party which i expect would only ramp up not just because donald trump said he is going to pardon the january sixth insurrectionists, but you are seeing militias say they are eager to take part in mass deportations. there is a story today in the denver post about a man who followed then attacked and tried to choke a journalist asking, you know, where are you from? are you an american? he choked him and said, this is trumps america now. there's a reason someone like that would feel licensed to do what they are doing. >> let's talk about the experience of this. for trump to find an african he can get down with, i will note the number of south africans involved in the movement -- the number of white south africans

is telling. there is [ inaudible ] right? this tragedy happened in germany today with somebody mowing down a christmas market. elon musk ways in to say the chancellor of germany should step down. he is getting involved with the far right trump extremist in england. he is attempting not just to run the united states and be president, shadow president of the united states, he wants to run a far right movement globally. steve bannon tried in the past. but he is not the most rich man. >> you have a man who has the financial resources to do this. it is unbelievable watching his twitter as a platform. there is an organization senator murphy tied today to neo-nazi is him.

it is dangerous to its core. he is celebrating that. he's trying to find it and help them. elon musk tried to build a new axis of evil. that's what he's trying to do with the right wing and pro- apartheid movement in various nations where it's white power, everything else is subservient and inferior, including women. that's the movement he wants to extend, for what? >> it's scary stuff. we are going to continue to follow it on this show. we appreciate both of you, michelle, dean, thank you both. before we go to break there are many more amazing people who won the year, including women entertainers whose music and performance of kept us moving throughout the year. there is a queen bee, beyonci, who became the first black woman to rule the country charts after releasing cowboy carter, and most grammy nominated artist in history, there is charli xcx, taylor swift who boosted economies around the world, and the new

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filming up a woman's skirt at a grocery store. what police uncovered next would destroy any human being. after police confiscated his phone and laptop, they uncovered 20,000 disturbing videos of himself and 72 other men sexually assaulting his wife while she was unconscious. they also uncovered pictures he had taken of his daughter and two daughters in law that were surreptitiously taken while they were undressed or showering. this father and husband had meticulously organized his videos into folders titled, abuse, , or night alone. the abuse began in 2011. dominique pelicot confessed he had tranquilizers in his wife's food and drinks, knocking her out so he could do what he wanted with her for hours. he invited other men he recruited online to assault his wife in the bedroom.

there were men aged 26 to 74, they were white, black, fathers, grandfathers, firefighter, truck driver, journalist, nurse, they all stood trial during a grueling four-month period which came to an end earlier this week. many of them hid their faces. one claimed if he was ever going to rape a woman, he would not choose a woman in her 60s. giselle pelicot waived her right to anonymity. she showed her face to the world, refusing to be a victim. she fought to have videos and evidence played in open court to show the world that she is not ashamed. she testified in court to the horror of learning what her ex- husband and these men had done to her, calm and clear, she said

the men regarded me like a ragdoll, like a garbage bag, but most of all, she was sitting in court, face exposed with the hopes of helping other women around the world who may suffer her plight. the court sentenced dominique to 20 years in prison, 48 other men were found guilty of aggravated rape with varying sentences. at the end of the day she became a symbol of strength and determination for women across the globe . during the trial, supporters chanted slogans like, shane is changing sides. and giselle, we believe you. they also booed defendants as they enter the courthouse, yelling, we recognize you, and shame. but this is not the only legal victory that merits a who won the year. we have a few that we can be proud of right here at home. and that is next. that is next. had no fluid in the retina d compared to those on eylea at 4 months. eylea hd is the only wet amd therapy

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another one of our winners for this year is the new york legal system, the one system impervious to trump's attacks, including state attorney general letitia james who successfully prosecuted trump, his company and top executives during a civil trial for fraudulent's nest actresses which left trump owing the state of new york $486 million. then there is e jean carroll who successfully convinced a jury in new york that donald trump sexily abused her, and a second jury that he defamed her after he claimed she wasn't his type in denying the sexual abuse, leaving him owing her $83 million. there's also manhattan da alvin bragg who successfully

convinced another jury of new yorkers that trump was guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records related to hush money paid to adult film actress, stormy daniels. then there is the person who refused to dismiss the case declaring trump to be above the law because he had been president. after that, the jurors who had been setting aside the noise, focusing on the facts and holding him accountable and every other recorded cases to account for the people of his home state. new york's amazing and legal system won the year. i love new york. joining me now is msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. i mean, new york just cannot be stopped. and i am so proud to be a person who was born in new york because it is the one system, lisa, where he couldn't wriggle out.

>> it definitely is, joy. and i should say it's not just new york state court system, you mentioned the 2e jean carroll trials, those were held in federal courts in new york. you really have two systems here in new york and specifically in manhattan that functioned effectively and allowed donald trump to be held accountable. the people in new york that are my heroes of the year are the 30 jurors for a couple reasons. number one, because they heard the law, the facts, and made decisions to hold donald trump accountable based on those facts. but second, because we have not heard from anyone, they protected their privacies to ensure that the jury members, themselves, were protected. now, each of the cases you mentioned were on appeal and can be overturned by higher courts. it's important to know as we close out 2024, at least as we sit here on december 20th of 2024, donald trump remains either guilty on 34 felony counts as in the criminal case, or liable for sexual abuse and defamation and multiple fraud counts with respect to the

fraud case we are talking about. >> we didn't even mention letitia james as other winds, getting trump university taken down and the chair his family was operating. i want to talk about this felony conviction. because it is maddening to me. there are so many americans. cnn did a story on a bunch of them, people who have been convicted of felonies on the box, you are a felon if they'd try to apply for a gun or a business license, in many cases, they are denied opportunity because of a felony conviction. yet, donald trump as i understand it, i've asked every legal person i can at msnbc, gets to evade the term felon being applied to him because he has not been sentenced yet. please explain how that could be when it does not feel like that's true for anyone else, and what are the likelihoods he will end up being sentenced in

this case in the 34 felony charge case? >> let's talk about why he is able to evade that. because as both a former president and one that is about to be president again, donald trump has been able to avoid that act of sentencing. and that is the moment in time, joy, when someone goes from being convicted of particular charges by a jury of their peers to actually having a judgment of conviction entered against them. that is the point in time when legal experts say, that's when we can call someone a convicted felon. and you are right. there are people all over this country who are not able to avoid their sentencing, and when they are presented with job applications, housing applications, applications for firearms ownership, they do have to check a box for which donald trump currently would not because there has been no sentencing. i also want to be clear, though, it may be there is

never any sentencing in this case. the district attorney in response to a motion trump filed to swipe clean that judgment, that is still pending, gave him some options. they said, look. we understand this guy is about to be president again, you can stay the case and stay the sentencing until he is no longer president, but you have some other options at your disposal. you can sentence him, for example, to time served. you can do no sentencing at all and do something that is called an abatement. and abatement is what we do sometimes in cases where a defendant flees or dies between their conviction and sentencing. and that is what the das office, manhattan office, specifically, suggested could be done here, a permanent asterisk next to that conviction on 34 felony counts because they are saying, you never have to sentence the guy, but we would not settle for that. >> thank you very much. i misspoke about trump university. but he still was in the new york legal system, which we praise to this day to the high heavens. go new york.

lisa, thank you as always. drumroll, please. because we have more people who won the year. it's women trailblazers in politics who had an outside impact here at home and abroad. let's start with vice president kamala harris who despite not winning the election left an indelible mark on the nation and inspired millions. her being on top of the ticket undoubtedly helped elect the first black senators from maryland and delaware and helped three states including california for the first time, having majority women lead legislatures. around the world we saw five women elected as heads of state with mexico, namibia and north macedonia electing their first women presidents, donna electing their first women vice presidents. amazing, incredible stuff. and we will be right back.

2024 was not the easiest year to be a journalist. there was the election, the outcome of said election, and fears were widespread in the middle east. it's likely to get harder with the upcoming administration. the dangers only reflect what an important time this is for clear, eagle eyed reporting. legacy media has some soul- searching to do. but 2024 was the year of the creative, innovative and independent journalist. we see you out there, documenting stories and events and tragedies, and posting to sub stacks, microblogging. as well as those reporting for ethnic community press, more vital today than ever. 2024 was also a deeply tragic year for journalists according to the federation of journalists, 100 for journalists have been killed this year alone with more than half of them in gaza. and it isn't just gaza where

media workers face dangerous and threatening conditions. russia, haiti, lebanon, pakistan, bangladesh, iraq, sudan, ukraine, journalists have been killed in syria, somalia and the democratic republic of congo. along with war zones out there, there is war brewing against the free press. here at home and abroad -- so those journalists who bravely cover atrocities while facing suppression, we thank you. as well as journalists listening to this right now, this is your moment, the most important euro for journalism in our lifetimes. that his wife brave journalists when the year. thank you for watching, listening, and we need you. joining me now is a host on msnbc and one of my favorite journalists, aimen , these

people are people you worked with. i will let you talk about the importance of journalism in this moment. >> yeah, i was listening, and i was thinking of this thing that is happening in the world right now and it comes to the issue of media. you have the titans of media, the people who own these channels who are gaining settlements that legal experts are saying, you don't have to pay because there is no defamation case there. you have the owners of the la times and washington post by most accounts calling up to donald trump as he assumes the second permanent office a couple weeks from now. you have that on one hand, and it's chilling that is taking place in the free media. and on the other hand as you eloquently said, the independent journalists who are on the ground risking their

lives day in and day out so the world can never have a chance of saying, we did not know this was happening in syria, gaza, haiti, mexico, anywhere around the world. so, that speaks to the divide that is happening around the world. this is not an american problem. this is a problem that divides the world between those who genuinely want free speech, and those who claim that they care about free-speech. you know, earlier today, you had elon musk, a billionaire, one of the richest man -- if not the richest man in the world yet again attacked legacy media saying, they are liars. this is the end result of not one leader, but authoritarian leaders around the world systematically attacking the media and calling them enemy of the state and justifying their harassment, they're killing, arrests, detainment's, torture in some cases ultimately to silence them and our right to free speech. >> yeah. i mean, the government wants to do bad things. they never want to do it in the light, right? when you see, you know, really

sealing off, for instance, gaza from journalists, not being able to go in on their own without an escort from the idf, that means we want to control what you can say. i expected in this country there would be a refresher on journalists here when the tensions start, if mass deportations start, crackdowns using the military in our street starts, it doesn't matter if it's there or here, someone has to tell the tale. >> someone has to tell the tale. you know, as you said, you know, there has to be a lot of soul-searching in the country for a few reasons. number one, we have to be very honest with ourselves. the media is legitimate criticism. you can't criticize the media as you should, that is part of the process. but at the same time, we also have to be very critical of media -- --

president, soon to be president- elect has expressed disdain for american journalists and institutions. the crazy thing about this, we heard from experts, it creates a sense of self-censorship. this is the real danger. a lot of experts that pointed out how the media has sometimes normalized donald trump and the language that they used. think about what happened at the madison square garden rally, whenever he talks about the economy. that danger of normalizing him is something we have to be vigilant about. >> indeed. ayman mohyeldin, thank you very much, my friend. everyone, please watch "ayman" this weekend 7:00 to 9:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. that is to nights