a little sad to say that does it for the weekend this saturday morning. we'll see you back here tomorrow at 8:00 eastern. we will be here to talk to the acting secretary of labor and congresswoman angie craig just won a bid to be the top democrat on the agricultural committee. be sure to follow us on social media at the weekend msnbc. velshi is up next and guess what, ali velshi is back. lord have mercy. >> it is the gingerbread man for me, honey. >> i have gingerbread man i have just that from the streets. i have my velshi penguin.

i came in working this morning and looking at you guys you put me in the mood. why can i not dress like that? i came in dressed like a goldman sachs banker on a saturday. >> you said it but i'm just telling you, wait until tomorrow. >> the negotiations that went on about michael's outfit, i am just saying. >> i can just imagine. you have so many more important fascinating things on your show today that i should talk to about but i wish you were here to share some of these roasted chestnuts for me. i'm not entirely sure i should actually, perhaps we will elect for a commercial break. have yourself a great rest of your day, wait to see you and, velshi begins now.

good morning. it is saturday, december 21st. speaking of nuts, just hours ago, congress once again narrowly avoided another shutdown just days after donald trump and the guy who seems to be his boss, elon musk, taint the original bipartisan bill negotiated by speaker mike johnson. funding for the government technically ran out at midnight last night before the senate had a chance to vote on the new version of the bill that johnson cobbled together at the last minute with his republican colleagues in the house. the bill ultimately passed without a hitch and the whiteout - what you said the president will sign it today and that all government agencies may continue regular operations. the continuing resolution congress managed to pass will give the government funded until march 14, 2025. it includes $100 billion in disaster relief, an additional $10 billion in aid for farmers

and an extension of the farm bill. the bill does not address the debt ceiling which was part of trump's 11th hour demand that sent congress members scrambling. republicans say they have agreed to a plan that will address that issue next year. we have seen this sort of chaos play out in congress numerous times in the last couple of years. the threat of a government shutdown, something that was once rare, something to be avoided at all costs has become a more regular part of american politics. this week, the show them over the budget was quite revealing. the fact republicans will have control of both the house and the senate in january this week approved deep fractures remained within their conference and by fractures, i mean chaos. get this. look at those vote tallies. take a look at this. more democrats than republicans voted in favor of the final bill that passed last night which was put together by

speaker johnson, a republican. 34 house republicans voted against the republican bill. - took to social media and commented quote, we got played. this week also gave us a preview of what the new power dynamics in washington maybe like once trump's administration takes over and how elon musk, the richest man on the planet might wield his money and social media platform to influence american politics. johnson had spent weeks negotiating the first version of the continuing resolution with congressional leaders, including kratz. it already had its share of critics on capitol hill, even before elon musk began to post earlier this week about criticisms on ex. the posts were instrumental in the bill's demise. he would as far as to warn any member of the house or senate who votes for this outrageous spending bill deserves to be voted out in two years.

this episode has caused people to wonder who is really in control of the incoming administration. donald trump, the actual incoming president or elon musk? that point was further highlighted by remarks made by johnson last night who said he had contacted both men in the run-up to the final house vote last night. >> i was in constant contact with president trump. throughout this process, spoke with him most recently about 45 minutes ago. he knew exactly what we were doing and why. this is a good outcome for the country. i think he is certainly happy about this outcome as well. elon musk and i talked within about an hour ago we talked about the extraordinary challenges of this job. i said hey, you want to be speaker of the house? he said this may be the hardest job in the world. i think it is. >> elon musk and i talked. as we have witnessed over the past two years, this republican

conference is in disarray. this congress, in session until the new group of lawmakers are sworn in on january 3rd began with a day's long speakership election involving 15 rounds of voting. the managers, kevin mccarthy became the first speaker who was removed from the post in an effort led by a member of his own party. perhaps it is fitting the 118 congress is ending much like it began, in chaos. that seems to be the pattern with trump's broken party and maybe now elon musk's republic and party. though they will control the white house and both timbers of congress, they do not have the mandate trump claims they do. their margins in congress are narrow. a four seat advantage in the house and as we saw last night, 30 republicans were prepared to work against their leader, their presence and elon musk. the first test of the new republican house majority is right around the corner. it could set the tone for the upcoming congress. in a couple of weeks, the house will have to hold another election for speaker. it is not yet a foregone

conclusion johnson will be re- elected, especially after the challenging week has just had. joining me is democratic congresswoman democratic, this woman jasmine crockett from texas. thank you for being with us this morning. i do not know even the question is i want to ask you. as we watched this week unfold the general take away here is, you guys still cannot get your house in order. but you but the republicans cannot get their house in order. this was a fairly straightforward matter agreed upon in a bipartisan fashion and still they cannot get it past until last minute. >> you are absolutely right. i was absolutely about to say do not put that on us. democrats are swooping in like superman and super women to make sure they can take care of the american people. i need the american people to have longer memories. as you stated, this congress ended on the same note that it began. for some reason we will not have a speaker jeffries on

january 3rd. we knew that these republicans in their slim majority were not able to get anything done. the crazy part is that, nancy pelosi had the same slim majority but guess what, we were not always in a state of crises they are going to go into the hundred 19th with an even slimmer majority. >> she also apparently had a calculator on her phone which maybe mike johnson doesn't have. i think one of the things that surprised me the most this week was, the immediate response, elon musk tweets something then donald trump seems to be following that and making threats to members of congress. that seems to have an influence on things. tell me about that dynamic whether you care about it whether you think it's influential. >> i do care about it, one of the reasons i did vote present instead of actually voting for the bill. i would not vote to throw things in disarray as we are approaching christmas but i want to be clear, this is not how i legislate.

i think it was a mistake for them to even be influenced by elon musk. by him saying look at how many pages this bill was an lookout in many pages this will is. automatically that makes it clean? that is automatically somehow taking money out? that is not the case. i am a lawyer, right? we do legislation. yes, we write things, the absolutely take up pages. things such as preventing him from being a great investor in things over in china. that is what he really wanted thrown out. listen, maga maple leaf he is their ultimate savior. it is amazing is the allegedly do not like immigrants but i guess they are in love with this one. i do not really understand what is going on but, i can tell you . as was already stated on the house floor, the only currency we have when we are legislate for us is our word. it is a reason that mccarthy did not survive. if mike johnson thinks he is

going to get any favors from the democrats i have news for him. he will not get any favors out of us. we will see how this publican trifecta decides that they are going to govern or not. i can tell you, if you thought we were not productive in the 118, just wait until the hundred 92. >> one of the things we will be discussing a lot. you probably been involved in these discussions. the sort of positive job democrats have right now but a lot of people talking about looking wounds and examining what happened and all that kind of stuff but, in some systems, when you're not in control of the government, you have an official an important job to do in holding the government to account. it seems like that is exactly what this moment demands. democrats thing here's our plan here is our 30 day. here's how we think this should look. and worry about the party machinations in the background. >> e of the things you mentioned earlier, mike johnson knew he was going to have a

numbers problem. because guess what? every single cr has had to have democrats provide the votes. that is the only reason the government has ever stayed open is because the democrats have prided the votes because we have gone up on suspension he required two thirds of the house. i do not know what rules will look like next term. whether or not the people that are consistently providing issues for him to get bills out of rules, if they will be removed from rules. right now - is running to be the chair of the rules committee which could be a huge thorn in his side. but it is a speaker that will have to make that decision. at the end of the day, one of the things elon musk did not talk about is the fact there was $90 million on basically page one of the legislation that is for his inauguration party. the idea we would say it is okay for you to get $90 million for one day and then cut out $190 million for children when it comes to cancer research was absolutely mind blowing.

thank you to the democratically controlled senate. on their way out of the majority, they decided they were going to do some good. they made sure the funding got back in. the major the social security fairness act was taken care of. i am eternally grateful for the democratic majority in the senate for figuring out how to fill in some of the gaps. that were removed because elon musk said so. >> you live in a world of policy and politics at the same time. this role of being able to say, here is what is wrong with your policy and here's what we do seems like it is built for you for the next couple of years. this is an opportunity for democrats to say whatever the reasons were for voting for republicans and trump, whatever it was, this is what governing can. we are entering another congress where the basic constitutional mandate for congress to heaven - govern and

- >> we are six months behind again. we were six months behind in getting our fy 24 budget done. with us pushing this out until march, we will be six months behind again in getting fy 25 10. our budgets are only for a year. i currently serve on the oversight committee, that is for so many people are able to see me go ahead and go after them as they lie. in broad daylight and make sure i can bring truth to that. i will continue to be a thorn in their side as the american people deserve it. and frankly, my district elected me with a mandate, the strongest numbers in the state of texas. i am going to make sure the american people can know the nice things they can have it they just put the right thing in power, the democrats back on top. >> part of that role will play out in these hearings.

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liz cheney was a prominent republican congresswoman representing wyoming. she held one of the top positions in the house republican readership. she staunchly conservative, the daughter of former - cheney. she was one of the republicans refused to follow mine when donald trump and his supporters baselessly claimed there was fraud during the 2020 election. after the attack on the capital in 2021, liz cheney became the vice chair of the january 6 select committee investigation. she zeroed in on his role to

overturn the 2020 election results. one of only 10 house republicans who voted to impeach trump that time around. she maintained her principles and the backlash was swift. in may of 2021, house republicans voted to remove her from leadership, the house, citing her criticism of trump. months later, she faced a primary challenge for me trump endorsed candidate, it was carefully orchestrated. - ran with trump's support was advised by trump's attendance and funded by his donors. his aides vetted and interviewed her perspective challengers with a degree of care the operation did not display in a big midterm races. once they settled on their pick they cleared the field of the primary rivals. they formed an outside group heavily funded by trump's pack which ran tv ads starring donald trump jr. liz cheney lost by more than 30 points. in the years since, she has

held her line continuing to be a vocal critic of donald trump and his mega body. trump has called for to be investigated, jailed and has even suggested she should see how it feels to quote, have guns trained on her face. this week, house republicans released a report calling the fbi to investigate liz cheney for her involvement in the january 6 congressional investigation. baselessly claiming she tampered with a witness. this report does not have any immediate their consequences. any investigation of liz cheney by the fbi we need to be opened by the doj. on wednesday, trump himself posted online liz cheney could be in a lot of trouble. with cash patel potentially at the helm of the fbi an investigation of cheney is not out of the question. one example ofgrowing list of signs of the kind of revenge politics we could see in this new trump term. trump's promise of retribution

has promised to fire civil service employees en masse and his cabinet was common denominator seems to be blind loyalty. this is creating a culture of fear and intimidation. in the press, which is called upon to bear witness to all of this and hold power to account has also become subject to it. trump has repeatedly labeled the media the enemy of the people. he has adjusted both directly and indirectly use of violence against members of the press. a few days before the election he said he would not mind if an assassin shot through with quote, fake news" that was standing in front of him. he has repeatedly invoked fresh credentials from reporters who have asked challenging were adversarial questions. he blacklisted major outlets like the new york times and cnn. in recent months he suggested entire broadcast media companies like abc, cbs and nbc news lose their broadcasting

licenses altogether. testing licenses are mandated and regulated by the federal government. maria resser is an award- winning journalist who famously reported - her arrest and conviction in manila. in 2021 she won the nobel peace prize for her efforts to safeguard the freedom of expression. maria, kind of amazing in all the time we have known each other how central you are to this particular discussion you have seen and been victim to exactly the kinds of things we may actually see here in the u.s. in the coming years. >> aren't you already seeing it? just listening to that kind of vindictiveness, we saw this here in the six years of - presidency. what you said about the attacks on the media. again, it is not as if it is new. you are seeing this now. i think the question is, how

prepared is the american media for what will happen next? >> let's discuss the intersection between pressure and intimidation against opposition forces like liz cheney. liz cheney is still a conservative publican. the pressure on people like that or, perceived enemies and journalists, and the role we have to play in the pressure on journalism. where is the intersection of all these things? how prepared should we be to fight back? >> it is in the constitution. the philippine constitution is patterned after the u.s. constitution is about checks and balances. in the old days, we all used to cheer for each other in checks and balances. there was a set of professional ways to curb power involuntarily do so in these new days, that is thrown out. the best thing we learned in the philippines, when there is such a vindictive leader that goes after - look how long it took you to tell the context

for liz cheney and why she was targeted. it means journalists have to actually give more context. have to give the whole story. it is not the tip of the iceberg anymore you will have to go down. the flipside of that, there is the line? this was thrown at us. where is the line between journalism and activism. you are talking about the politicians, the republican party has got to be has got to hold the line. in order to keep the lines of the constitution in place, they cannot just blindly follow what trump got what he wants when he takes office. yet, that is what we have seen in the past. that is what we saw here, within six months of his taking office the three branches of government essentially buckled. we had tens of thousands under the six years he was in power. >> let's talk about the type of

pressure brought to bear on journalism. it is not always the obvious thing with the government comes and arrests you. it is tax stuff, audits, intimidation. third-party intimidation sometimes. how do you stand up to this? i ask you specifically because you are someone who has faced it. what happens to us when we start to face threats and intimidation. suddenly letters start showing up from the government about checking her bank accounts. >> and you have to imagine and be prepared for worst-case scenarios. we always used to say whatever it is you are most afraid of, you have to embrace your fear. i never thought i would be arrested. i always thought no, these are just threats. the same things i hear american pundits saying. he really will not go that far, the constitution is there. in my case, limited got arrested, in a strange way showed me we were living in a different world. what are the things you had to

be prepared for? legal cases. the bending of the law. when you bend the lot to the point that it breaks, what do you do when that happens? how do you talk to your people? each news organization, you have to have a battle plan going in. you have to let your reporters on the ground all the way up to the president of the company. i think the first step is and, tim snyder said this, do not obey prematurely. i cannot remember his exact words. >> he says obey in advance. >> do not obey in advance. we are already seeing signs of that. part of that is because we are all businesses. news organizations are also businesses. we try to cleave away the business, in the newspaper you have the publisher and the editor in chief. in today's's world, the reason why we have tax evasion charges thrown at us, the attack was on the business. how do you deal with it?

you have to be repaired for it. a lot of communications a lot of planning. in our case we drilled scenarios. >> i would love to know how this works in the philippines. civil society groups coming together to say we will stand in defense of those, not necessarily journalists because we have companies and lawyers, but of those people targeted. to me the role civil society can tell me that we can help hold the line on democracy. >> frankly i do not think we would have survived that time without our community backing us. the chilling effect will push everything down. there is a saying in japan but

in our case it was making example of specific people. the business community, the politician, we had a senator who was in jail for almost seven years. she has been cleared of all the charges. the third of course is journalists. of those three things, i think you can draw the line. in terms of the politics the politicians themselves. the people we have elected, will the republican party act like checks and balances? what will the democratic party do? the politicians, legislatures have to have courage to stand up. the second part of that, when the journalists are under attack, will they come together? will they, if someone in the white house, and this happened where someone was thrown out and the white house, the journalist there decided not to follow. your question about civil society. the line between journalists

and activism. journalism and activism is called citizenship. if the citizens, if civil society does not switch to this age, where we are living in an age of lies. the world is upside down. the incentive structure of our information ecosystem rewards the lies. rewards the fear, anger and hate. if people can't the citizens of a democracy do not stand up and demand better, do not move into the physical world, all of it gets systematically worse. we would not have survived without our community. that is both domestically here in the philippines and in united states around the world. the u.s. is, the world is watching united states and what will happen next. you know this. it is a world on fire. we are working to the end of 2024 with, in a world that in the almost 40 years i have been a journalist, it has never been

this bad with open war. with insidious manipulation at the cellular level. every person is called now to actually stand up. i think that is part of where we need to go. >> that is right, if you want to hold the line it will take all of us. inc. you, it will take all of us in america and you and people like you around the room. you so much, maria ressa a nobel peace prize winner, someone who knows what she speaks when it comes to holding power to account. wer to accoun what's up, you seem kinda sluggish today. things aren't really movin'. you could use some metamucil. metamucil's psyllium fiber helps keep your digestive system moving so you can feel lighter and more energetic. metamucil keeps you movin'. and try fizzing fiber plus vitamins.

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in 30 days, republicans will begin their trifecta rule over washington in control of the white house and both chambers of congress. just as in 2017 when donald trump first became president. in american politics, in a scenario like this where one party holds all the levers of power, we tend to think of the other party, the minority party is being cast out in the wilderness. the losing party in a big election year is expected to slink off into the background for a time of regrouping to

emerge with a strategy to win back some control in the next midterms, two years away. it does not have to you this way. democrats do not have to wait until they win back control of congress, or the presidency to do the work of governing. many would argue in a trump presidency, they cannot afford to do that anyway. what they can do, but some democrats are calling for now is to take a lesson from parliamentary systems like in the uk, to define their path forward for the next two years. to become not the minority party but the opposition party. in united kingdom, the largest political party not in power perform something called a shadow government and the point shadow investors whose unofficial roles mirror real cabinet positions. shadow ministers publicly challenge the real cabinet. this group policy, the offer alternatives and it drives conversation and keeps the public informed and offers real alternatives. in parliament, they will sit across from the actual cabinet offering a visual contrast as

well. an opposition party in this sense is more than the party out of power, is a real job. in his last presidency, trump drove discussions across government with casual tweets. and offhanded comments with a shadow cabinet, immigrants' response could be more organized and thorough with an emphasis on offering their own ideas that simply opposing the trump agenda. one of the voices pushing for democrats to shake themselves into a true opposition party is one of their own outgoing congressman. wiley nichol, who defeated the trump back in at eight in 2022 but opted not to run for re- election this year after the publican led redistricting drastically changed the makeup of his congressional district. he explains if democrats take on the role of a true professional opposition party it would not just be better for democrats, it would strengthen the whole of government. with a shadow cabinet, there is no hiding each decision not just from the media and voters but from the political leaders

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before the break we talked about what the democrats need to be a stronger opposition party against the incoming trump ministration with lessons for political parties in united kingdom another parliamentary systems. i am joined by representative - joanne freeman, an award- winning historian and professor of history and american studies at yale university. thank you for being with us. presented of nichols, an interesting idea he put forward. i come from a parliamentary system, the one thing i'm used to is the day the government loses they have a job to do immediately. not the sort of indulgent thing we see here in the that it states, a lot of wound licking. largely, a job to do to show the voters there is an alternative to the elected government is planning to do. >> absolutely. happy saturday. we have got to stop playing

defense and have to go on offense. that is what they have been doing for close to 100 years in canada, australia and the uk. you put your best and brightest there as folks who are going to have a ready counterpoint to every person that trump puts in his cabinet. have our good watchdog agency talking about the things we would do if we were in charge. we have to shift our strategy. we are going to be on the outside for the next four years, you tell me, ali. you have kash patel, god hope he does not become our next fbi director. if he is and does something crazy, who are you going to go to? jasmine crockett, i would love it if she was in the shadow cabinet. she is a great researcher. we have to empower our folks and get a good, positive messages and that was this with you. i do not think anyone is arguing for a wholesale change to the system but one little slice of what these parliamentary systems do that can be effective.

right now that stuff plays out on cable news. this is a far more targeted, specific sort of laser focused approach to being critical of specific policies. you have vivek ramaswamy and elon musk we making government needs to be someone on the other side. >> absolutely. a change of mind and method i think her than anything else. rather than assuming you are going along the same way everything has gone along. for democrats behind the scenes smoothing the waters making sure everything works. you are a ready, primed opposition. you are primed and ready to communicate to the public what is actually happening in government. not in a rhetorical partisan way but in a clear, factual way. this is what is happening. i agree you can have a shadow cabinet meeting the visuals are assigned to look at specific departments or areas of government so they are up to date on what is happening. what if you had a weekly

conversation with some of those people that americans knew they could go to and there would be a report on what happened in government that week and with the implications were. one of those conversations had younger voices? what if there was a different way of communicating with people. a different way of putting forward a message of really representing not, as you just said wiley, not defense but being assertive with what you represent. that is the point here. it is assertive. it is a positive role. it is not defense. it is not, we are on the outside. it is we have a role. in places like the uk or canada or australia because they are commonwealth countries. they are even called the loyal opposition. a job and you have responsibilities you are supposed to do. it formalizes the process. >> 11, number one because donald trump hate it. it would hold him accountable at every single agency with

folks talking about the ways they have overstepped their constitutional authority. talks about the things we would do better. one of the things and maybe dr. freeman can jump in on this too. as i have talked to folks around the world who have served in shadow cabinets. one of the things they tell me a great place for anybody who is upset with these agencies and wants to share what is going on those who to go to. it moves in 1 million different ways that we can organize our opposition and we have to do that for the next four years. >> it sort of gives the voter a more complete and holistic sense. we are invested in who the president of the united states is sometimes over invested. in fact, what we are seeing with these cabinet pics is you have some things to worry about. you have a concentration of power in congress and the concentration in power at the white house. this makes it more diffused. it makes people understand there's a set of alternatives you can think about outside of campaign season.

>> absolutely. in that sense, along the lines of what you are saying, this is not the main purpose but certainly a way to show the public what the government is. that it is not just the president and congress so that doing things behind the scenes, which is important. and - shows the power of this. many people - very wealthy people. doing whatever they want with their great wealth. you have journalists - their job was to oppose. that had a vast impact. he did not even necessarily opposed policy. just about asserting a vision of what things should be like and what is going on. >> the concept here is that opposition for the sake of it. the kind we saw from - from the

tea party. it is sort of made from the idea that we are an alternative. >> it is about putting on our positive agenda. i lay it all out in my washington post piece. people can find it at wiley nickel.com. what it would look like if pam bondi is our next attorney general i suggested adam schiff is our shadow attorney general. someone announced the same day she gets confirmed if she gets confirmed. we have our positive message on the things we would do differently to protect the rule of law in the u.s. you just go on and on down for every single agency. someone in the house, someone in the senate on the democratic side. >> one of things different as in these parliamentary systems they have questioned times and they're physically in front of each other. the cabinet is made of people who are elected and was

speaking to parliament. a direct face-to-face opportunity to help our to account. obviously that is not a structure we have here. how would an opposition party effectively reach out to people because the medium is important. you talk about small gathering, gatherings but how do you make that make more sense other than getting booked on cable news shows to yell about something? >> i didn't mean small, private gatherings. i meant a public conversation. pick a form of media, put it on zuma. do it on wherever. do it on tv. have a very public minded conversation and assertive, stating what happened. stating what it means. stating what alternatives are. absolutely i'm glad you said that because i am glad i got to correct whatever i am flight. it is the publicity, the fact this would be a moment to communicate. to communicate. fact this would be a moment to communicate assertively, rather

than defensively, what alternatives are enand what's actually happening. >> tewell, i think we should be considering all options right now, and i'm grateful to the two of you for having this discussion. sounds good, coming from ha ple i've seen that, it is engaging to watch opposition parties on a daily basis have to take on the government, on their specific policies and offer alternatives. thank you for bringing this to our attention. joanne freeman is a professor of history at yale university. congressman nickel of north carolina. more to come, we'll talk about what the republican-led chaos of the last he48 hours ma tell us about what's coming in a new t trump era and who will be running things. trump or his billionaire pal, elon musk. plus, speaking of musk, what will happen eaif he gets his wi to, quote, delete the federal agency that is designed to protect consumers from predatory financial practices? and today's meeting of the velshi banned book club, paula hawkin