governed the area. this is designed to kind of make first contact with the rebels, get a sense of their intentions and try to push them in the direction of what the u.s. is calling an inclusive, syrian lead and hopefully ultimately, democratic form of government inside of syria, as you mentioned, the highlight of this trip was a meeting with the head of hts, the largest of the rebel groups that overthrew assad. he's a man that up until this week, had a $10 million american bounty on his head. the u.s. has now removed that as a kind of initial gesture of goodwill but they say it's also practicality, you can't really conduct diplomacy with a man who in theory, you would like the fbi to arrest at first chance. the diplomats said that this was a constructive meeting and they said the rebels continued to say all of the right things,

they don't want to sectarian government, they will respect the rights of minorities and of women but the american position is, they will judge by actions and not words. what the rebels really want is the u.s. to lift sanctions on syria and ultimately, to grant diplomatic wrappers -- recognition of this new government. and you spoke to representative jacobs and i want to play a little bit of her perspective on these questions, take a listen. >> i think it's incumbent on us as americans to be doing everything we can to help push and you know, create that inclusive democratic peaceful syria that i know so many syrian people want. it's too early to tell exactly what's going to happen but i think we should be holding them to their words and holding them to their actions and not presupposing what they might or might not do but actually giving them the opportunity to take this time to build. >> and alex, the other big

point of this trip was to try to gather any information possible about austin tice, the american journalist who disappeared in syria back in 2012 as well as other americans, who are believed to have been unlawfully detained by the assad regime. they say the rebels would say that they are looking to help in the search and interestingly, they mentioned for the first time the possibility that you can see fbi agents going into syria, to some of these eight or nine prisons where they believe that austin tice could have been held, looking for any clues about his whereabouts. lessons in leverage, what democrats might have learned from this week's wild ride on capitol hill.

a day, everyone from msnbc world headquarters, welcome to alex witt reports, we begin with a holiday government shutdown averted. president biden today signing the american relief act , a stopgap spending bill to keep federal operations funded for three months. senate republicans and democrats went down to the wire before voting on the bill after midnight. president-elect donald trump and billionaire elon musk had derailed an earlier bipartisan bill threatening primary challenges and pushing for the debt ceiling to be suspended. that command failed dramatically. and house republicans joined democrats to defy trump. here's new reaction from congressman sarah jacobs. >> i represent the biggest

military community in the country, san diego. and it's literally their paychecks on the line, it's the border patrol, customs and border protection, paychecks on the line and i heard from so many of them who were so worried that during this holiday season they may not be getting those paychecks. it really shouldn't have been that hard and it shouldn't have come down to unelected elon musk swooping in and trying to decide how we in congress, should do our jobs. >> democrats are celebrating with a c as a big win for their agenda. >> we got the farm bill that president biden was asking for and we continue to find the government at levels that were set by democrats and slightly modified by president biden but we've never had a republican funding bill that wasn't dominated by democratic votes. >> a new fallout for speaker johnson over his handling of the funding talks. moore calls for him to be ousted in the next congress. >> do you still want to be speaker after this experience? >> being speaker of the house is a challenge in this modern era but it's a challenge that

we accept. it's a great honor to serve in the position. i wouldn't say it's the most fun job in the world every time but it's an important one. >> meanwhile the trump transition team is pushing back on critics who portray musk as president and trump as his sidekick during funding talks. the transition team saying as soon as president trump released his official stance, republicans echoed his point of view. president trump is the leader of the republican party, full stop. we begin with julie tsirkin on capitol hill. after all of the political chaos , who is claiming victory today? >> both sides are claiming victory, they kind of have to, because both sides did get a win here, they did not vote for the bill, they called johnson's bluff and force him to put a much more scaled-back version

of the deal but nothing with the debt ceiling in it, for a vote friday night, late last night when they voted just ahead of the med light -- midnight bill -- 85 voted to keep the lights on and of course the dynamic was different in the house, johnson is a precarious situation. originally putting out a 1600 page product which already had problems on his side of the aisle and then of course with all of these extra demands, republicans are saying johnson had always had a precarious situation when it comes to speakership but it just got so much more complicated. one thing is clear, they're going to have to keep working with democrats to get a lot of things done because his majority is not going to cut it, he will have to be in close contact with the democratic leader jeffries who have this to say yesterday. watch. >> house democrats have successfully stopped the billionaire boys club, which

wanted a $4 trillion blank check by suspending the debt ceiling in order to enable them to cut social security, cut medicare, and cut nutritional assistance while providing massive tax breaks for the wealthy, the well-off and the well-connected. >> i'll tell you, negotiations between 535 members of congress is different than being the ceo of a company and ordering people to do what you want and of course, elon musk learned that yesterday when he spoke over the phone with johnson, who asked him if he is interested in the job and he joked of course, and musk told him it seems like the hardest job in the world to which johnson agreed. as for jeffries and the debt

ceiling suspension, that's a storyline that's not going to go away because trump wanted in order to pass the tax cuts. all of these other items including border security. he knows the democrats are going to try and use that and hold it over his head. so jeffries will have a big move and a big role to play here, too. >> weight, johnson asked musk if he wanted his job? >> he did. he did. >> there you go, mic drop. okay, thank you, my friend. now let's head over to allie raffa, so how much did trump influence discussions that led to the passage of last night funding bill and why haven't we heard from trump today? >> alex, it's interesting because we are hearing from president-elect trump, just notably, not about this funding bill that has now been signed by president biden in which notably as you heard julie mentioned, does not include that key demand from the president-elect about the debt ceiling. we know the president-elect just returned to mar-a-lago after he was at a golf course

most of the day, and he has been active on his true social platform announcing new pics to join his administration. but what we are hearing reaction from, specifically to the passage of this funding bill is elon musk who we know played such an influence in a big role about how long it took to get this bill across the finish line. he posted in part, your actions turned a bill that weighed pounds, into a bill that weighed ounces, and the actions he's referring to, alex, are the cutting of hundreds of pages of policy from this eventual bill including healthcare reforms, legislation to crackdown on junk fees as well as legislation to give lawmakers in congress pay raises , and i want you to listen to house speaker johnson talk about the influence that both the president-elect and elon musk had on this process. >> i was in constant contact with president trump throughout

this process, spoke with him recently about 45 minutes ago. he knew exactly what we were doing and why and this is a good outcome for the country. i think he is certainly happy about this outcome as well. elon musk and i talked an hour ago, and we talked about the extraordinary challenges of this job and i said hey, do you want to be speaker of the house, he said, this may be the hardest job in the world, i think it is. but we will get through this. >> reporter: and must influence is the genie that can't be put back into the bottle. we saw lawmakers on both sides of the aisle express frustration that he was influencing this process to the level that he was, especially considering he's not an elected official, and essentially having an issue with his threat on social media to find primary challengers to any lawmakers who didn't support a version of the bill that he supports.

so there's a lot of speculation and concern about what role elon musk will be playing over the next four years as we see him become more of a growing figure around president-elect trump. >> thank you, for that. joining me now is a political analyst and host of the podcast instinct with alexi. we may have narrowly avoided the shutdown but how big of a problem is this still, for congressional republicans, and for trump, doesn't show anything about limits of trumped power and maybe what the next couple of years will look like? >> alex, i mean i think we all remember the constant chaos of the first trump presidency and how congressional republicans will run in circles to try and get whatever he wants done, but you just alluded to, a number of republicans defied him

yesterday and didn't go along with the plan that he wanted to eliminate the debt ceiling which is of course something he wants them to do so that he doesn't look like he has a bad legacy or a stain on his presidential legacy, if he has to deal with it when he's president but as long as elon musk continues to sort of operate as a shadow president, someone who is not elected, someone who has no governing experience, no experience writing or trying to pass legislation, they are going to run into walls and problems like this because it's hard to tell what president elect trump once half the time, and it's even harder to figure out how to make these things happen when when you take someone into account like elon musk who is using his platform, x, to lift the vote, he is using x uses as his barometer for what will pass and what should be included in bills when, that is not the way the government works or at least that's not

how it has worked historically. >> molly, politico called this a wake-up call for trump on the limits of his power, saying some republicans are concerned that he will be able to get as much done as he hopes because he's focusing on the wrong thing like the debt ceiling. trump and the gop will have a big challenge in the next few months confirming his nominees, trying to implement his policy priorities and now another budget deadline in march. how treacherous could this first 100 days be? >> well i think one of the big problems that trump has is that he ran for president on this idea that inflation was a real problem and people were really mad about inflation and he was going to make things cheaper, right? it's a real problem, people were really mad that they went to the grocery store and things were, you know, significantly more expensive, so now trump has got to make things cheaper but i'm not convinced that he

has a real plan for making things cheaper except tariffs which would ultimately be inflationary. >> he's walking the whole thing back. you heard him say, once the numbers go up, it's hard to bring them down. and someone asked him, if you don't do that, if you don't make good on the campaign promise, do you think that you would have a failed element of the presidency and he goes, no, i don't think so. >> there are a lot of other things that he promised like mass deportation and yes, he did win and he won the popular vote which for a republican president is not what always happens but here's the thing, some of these thinare not you know, easy to pass, normal things, mass deportation, wildly expensive, morally reprehensible and going to cause you big problems, and also wildly inflationary, so i do think he's got a real problem there. >> alexi, what lessons can democrats take from this, house republicans are going to have an even smaller majority than they've had this term, we've

got 34 republicans who voted no on this cr. if democrats have left them to their own devices, it wouldn't have passed. can that provide some protection against some of the more extreme policies that republicans might want to pass? >> we've already seen congressman jeffries talking about how he feels that the democratic caucus has stood up to trump and congressional republicans already. i think what's fascinating is speaker johnson is giving away the secret by telling nbc and others, that he basically asked elon musk if you wanted to take his job, the man is already signaling that he's not loving having the seat that he's having and he's even having multiple headaches from his colleagues, so i think the democrats are watching this and they see not only do they have leverage from the policy side but the personnel side as well because, as congenial as he might be, we saw how kevin mccarthy before him, was pushed out and we know that come january third, republicans will have another fight in which they could very well try to replace johnson and

so, i would expect jeffries and others to try and use that as leverage, too. >> molly, representative jerry conley who was just elected, spoke to msnbc yesterday about elon musk and his role of killing the original budget deal. here's that. >> this is unprecedented, it is dangerous, he is riddled with conflicts of interest, he's kind of the original american oligarch but that means a rich guy who's unaccountable and elected to nothing, who is basically, sort of, you know, overshadowing the actual president-elect of the united states, donald trump. i think it's a really troubling development for everybody. it's not funny, it's actually quite serious. >> when it comes to why musk got involved, congressman gloria sent a letter noting the original bill included restrictions on tech investments in china and

accused musk of derailing the deal to quote protect his wallet and the chinese communist party at the expense of american workers, innovators and businesses. how often can we expect him to up and critical government operations for personal gain? >> this is the reason we have all of these ethics laws that trump rolled pretty much thumbed their nose at though some were able to abide by them but that's why we don't have people in the federal government who also work in business, and that is probably why we shouldn't have members of congress allowed to trade stocks because we should have people who serve in the federal government, who are working for the people, the taxpayers and not for themselves but certainly, it's a conflict and certainly, even if it's not, even if he's not acting that way to get something it creates

the appearance of a conflict which is ultimately just as problematic, and i think, look, the whole idea of having an an egg -- unelected billionaire run the government, when he did not run for president, is riddled with problems, moral implications, and ultimately, i think, i don't know how this relationship can last, but also because, he has such a sort of very limited understanding of american government, he was bragging that this bill was weighing less than a day before, that's not a metric in which we judge a legislation. >> among the things that got cut, alexi, again, it cut funding for a bipartisan childhood cancer research program, that costs $190 million, that's a relatively small amount compared to the overall budget. is this the kind of government efficiency we are going to see musk and his department of government efficiency department

going for? >> he said americans are going to have to get used to living within their means. it makes me feel so angry even recalling them saying that because it's such a joke but not only that, you were just talking about the business conflicts, there was another measure that senator cruise has been pushing that would force tech companies to remove so- called revenge , which, explicit images that were shared privately and consensually, and someone decides to share them without that person's consent all over the internet. it ruins people's lives and it's devastating and that was taken out, too, and there's a lot of revenge19 , is it literally just as molly was saying, the so-called weight of these things and the numbers on the bottom line? or do they have values and morals that are backing up what they are pushing for and what

they are pushing against? >> speaking of values, at least the senate brought back the child cancer research and that did get into the final bill. always great to have you on. a stunning site, germany and how authorities in the u.s. are trying to prevent similar attacks. we are back in 90 seconds. 90 s. c and blueberry-flavored fruit center and yogurt coating, each bite is infused with added probiotics, to help promote a healthy digestive system every day. plus, they're packaged in individually-wrapped pouches, for daily digestive support on the go. look for new align yogurt coated probiotic fruit bites online and in the digestive care aisle of your local retailer. brand power, helping you buy better. big news for mahomes! i'm switching to iphone 16 pro at t-mobile! it's built for apple intelligence. that's like peanut butter on jelly... on gold. get four iphone 16 pro on us, plus four lines for $25 bucks. what a deal. ya'll giving it away too fast t-mobile, slow down.

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intelligence perspective on this attack and how difficult it is to stop this kind of an active terror, should german intelligence have picked up on this somehow? >> alex, these are really difficult, this kind of attack, using a vehicle as a weapon, it is difficult to detect because you don't need a support structure, you don't need other terrorist members of a cell near you. there's no communications that can be intercepted, no weapons are required, no explosives need to be smuggled in. it's just an individual, who decides to take matters into his or her hands and use in this case, a vehicle, several tons worth, as a weapon limited casing, you probably drove by one since all vulnerabilities, but ultimately, it's hard for intelligence services to protect this and this falls on the police, security services in these open air offense, to have protective measures in place and in this case, just not enough. >> what about intelligence

leaders, when they see something like this, do they learn anything? is there something to take away? >> you know, they will obviously interrogate this individual and they will look at his phones, look at his social media accounts, they will look on his computer, even's, but odds are, he was self radicalized. as reports come out, of course, we first thought this was isis because isys inspired attacks like this before, including in germany, but back in 2016, but in this case, it looks like again, as someone who has some different views, he was a supporter of the far right of the afd party, while he was muslim, it looked like he had some anti-muslim sentiments. but it was interesting. we will see where this goes but i believe it's going to be one disturbed individual who planned to take matters into his own hands. >> is there something the u.s. intelligence agencies can look at and take away from this?

>> what a great question, particularly as it comes up on the holiday season, new year's eve celebrations, you know, in a city like new york which has a police force of 40,000 an intelligence agency, i'm not as concerned, you always have to have the right precautions but there will be for example, barriers put up all around, metal detectors. they will put measures in place that would prevent something like this. but the problem in an open and free society is we have open air celebrations at times whether it's sporting events or holiday celebrations. and you know, you can liken this to a soccer goalie, the best in the world is not going to you know, have a shut out each time, sometimes a goal gets through and these are hard to prevent, so it'll take both the intelligence side, ensuring that obviously, islamic groups

or right-wing groups, that they don't plan something like this but then really on the preventative side, with again, the physical security measures, and then, you know, just hope for the best. >> always appreciated. what we know about all the charges against luigi mangione, especially one of them, sparking a lot of debate, next. bye, bye bucket. with the swiffer powermop. i won't let my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis symptoms define me... emerge as you, with clearer skin. with tremfya®, most people saw 100% clear skin... ...that stayed clear, even at 5 years. serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections may occur. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms or if you need a vaccine. emerge with clear skin. ask your doctor about tremfya®. ♪♪

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new today, another court date for luigi mangione, he set to be arraigned monday in the

killing of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson . he faces for federal charges including a potential death penalty murder charged and state charges. a new debate is emerging over the terrorism charge, some experts say it's a mistake and others like my next guest say it sends a message that society will not tolerate political violence. joining us now is barbara mcquaid and a good friend to us. the op-ed supporting the terrorism charge. what is your reasoning? >> well, alex, it reminds me of some of the arguments i used to hear when people were opposed to hate crimes prosecutions. when we prosecute hate crimes people sometimes say why can't you just charge it as a murder or an assault like everyone else, this is about special people wanting special rules

and the responses, and the reason we have hate crimes because hate crimes are more serious than garden-variety assault or murder, it is because it is targeting a particular segment of a community in an effort to intimidate them or coerce them, in the same way i see what luigi mangione did as violating the statute which includes this terrorism enhancement for a murder committed to coerce or intimidate a civilian population. so this wasn't just a robbery gone bad, this wasn't just a random murder on the street, this wasn't some revenge murder , this was a murder designed to send a message to corporate america. we haven't seen all of the evidence against luigi mangione and he's entitled to a presumption of innocence but based on what we know with the words that he wrote on the bullets about deny, delay, depose, what was found written in the notebook that he possessed about whacking a ceo, those things suggest that this was a murder designed to

intimidate and coerce and political violence is something that has no place in our society, so this charge sends that message. >> despite agreeing with that, there's a former assistant manhattan da that argues that the terrorism charge complicates a simple murder case and takes on a higher burden of proof and opens the proceedings to political theater. is that true, and could the date -- the a end up giving luigi mangione a soapbox? >> that is certainly a point, and something i think the prosecutors must consider when deciding what is the appropriate charge in a case. they could've taken the easy way out and charge it as a simple murder. it seems that he's got sufficient evidence that is very strong in this case between surveillance video, and fingerprints and ballistics but yes, it might needlessly complicate things but he's also charged second-degree murder so even if the jury cannot agree that this was a terrorism motive that was present, they can still find that he was

guilty of an ordinary murder, if such a thing exists. perhaps he gives a soapbox but i think it's important to send a message that political violence has no place in american society. >> his lawyer said in court that the two sets of charges appear to be in conflict. she said the manhattan charges include terrorism and potentially influencing a group of people while the federal charge includes stocking an individual. do you agree with this and does it matter? >> it doesn't matter, i mean i think the federal case looks at this as what he did with regard to brian thompson in

particular, i think the state prosecution is considering this effort to intimidate and coerce and i do think there is a consistency here, if you look at what has been reported, that was written in this notebook, he was seeking to send a message against corporate america and selected brian thompson as his particular victim, to send this message. so i don't think there's any inconsistency between those but most important, it really doesn't matter, these are two different cases brought by two different sovereigns, so having different theories of prosecution is not relevant to the guilt or innocence of the defendant. >> always appreciate your insights. on the road again, how some winter weather warnings can wreak havoc on your travel plans, next. 2 million people is at stake. our right to basic reproductive health care is being stolen from us. planned parenthood believes everyone deserves health care. it's a human right. future generations are beginning to lose the rights we fought for. the rights for ourselves, our kids, and our grandkids. gone. just like that. i can't believe this is the world we live in,

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right now winter storms already causing problems for travelers and what's expected to be a record-breaking holiday season. arctic blackley blast leading to delays and cancellations across the northeast. snowstorms are making for treacherous conditions on the roads in the midwest, aaa reports 119 million americans are traveling 50 miles or more from home. let's bring in adrienne broaddus from chicago o'hare. what are you hearing from the travelers and how worried they seem to be about the holiday traffic? >> alex, many of them are worried, that's because aaa has been predicting these record- breaking numbers, so travelers who spoke with us here at o'hare said they had to mentally prepare for longer wait times. many of them, surprised today because the average wait has been about 5 to 20 minutes when it comes to getting through those security checkpoints. overall, most of the folks who we spoke with said they know they have to pack their patients, but they are more

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>> from our perspective, we understand full well why the public is concerned but actually, we don't see anything for the public to be concerned about, and that's not because we are not looking, not because we are not investigating, we investigate every day. that said, having more restricted spaces that allow fewer drones to be flying in the sky, that is a good thing. >> the nypd saying that they have started to see this increase over the years but it hasn't been this sudden influx of drones in the sky but rather an influx of people now looking for them and reporting them but we heard from federal authorities saying that they do not believe this poses any national security threat and they don't believe this is any sort of foreign actor, and in fact a lot of these objects that people are reporting they say are actually small planes that are flying legally that impose no threat but as for the

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breaking news from the donald trump transition team moments ago, trump announcing mark burnett the former creator and producer of the apprentice as his pick for special envoy to the united kingdom, of course the apprentice brought

trump more prominently to a national audience. josh, mark burnett? what is your take on that? i believe it does require senate confirmation? >> i believe there is a law passed that anyone who has the term special envoy or something close to that does have to be required for approval by the senate and confirmed there. you know, my take on it is it's not that uncommon to see friends of presidents, political supporters put into these kinds of roles, that said, mark burnett had an interesting reputation or story arc as the hollywood people might say during the first trump term where he was really viewed as the keeper of many of trump's secret. you may remember there were a lot of disputes around the question of outtakes from the

apprentice, whether trump might have said untoward things during various tapings of the apprentice, they were back stories from some of the contestants on the show that he had said things that were like that in their presence, and burnett took a hard line in not making that material publicly available. at one point before trump was elected the first time, burnett even said he was not a supporter of the president or his campaign for the white house, so he may be someone who in the past had sort of wavered on these questions, obviously, he is definitely in the donald trump camp at this point. >> interesting, thank you for your take on that. let's go to trump's media attacks because you write about how many are worried about the impact. what are potential legal angles that trump could use to target and surrogate -- silent news organizations, how are lawyers strategizing to safeguard the

industry against threats during trump's second term? >> the lawyers are definitely meeting, having discussions having about, to try and prevent this sort of litigation or at least undermine it and you can't stop somebody in the united states from filing a lawsuit if they want to do that but you can try and reduce the amount of fodder for example by limiting the amount of information you keep about the newsgathering process and particularly about confidential sources. we've seen a lot of people talking about redoubling those efforts, but a lot of these suits, as you allude to, are quite unusual. i mean the one against 60 minutes and the one against the des moines register and the pollster and selzer, very weird frankly, against the media, not your classic defamation or libel claim instead claims that there was fraud perpetrated on

the public, so it is the kind of thing that i think that the trump campaign hopes will improve their standing in the media and lead to less negative stories being published but we will see if the media holds the line or not. you write about tiktok and what's going to happen there, give me a sense of when that's going to happen, and when that happens, we will bring you back to talk about it.