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on this new our of ayman, trump and his boss elon musk bring chaos to washington. plus the absurdity of portraying mitch mcconnell as the new face of the anti-trump movement. and he is an internet sensation above and below new york city streets. subway takes creator is here to answer all of the pressing questions. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it.
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>> reporter: he is not even sworn in yet, and yet, donald trump and his apparent boss elon musk were able to bring chaos back to washington this week previewing what's to come in the new year. and all i can say is buckle up as you might have heard, congress started this week with a bipartisan funding bill ready to roll negotiated by leaders of both parties but elon musk and donald trump derailed it in the middle of the week and threatened to primary anyone who voted for it. they wantedspeaker johnson listened to the bosses. massively it failed in the end speaker johnson got the house to pass a three-month funding extension without the debt limit demands. in short, trump and musk lost. the senate approved it this morning and president biden signed it today.
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keeping the government funded through march. yes, there is the obvious question of who's the boss. musk or trump. we will ask that for many months i'm sure until trump gets tired of musk stealing his spotlight. but the question this hour is what about democrats? i want to be clearment they had nothing to do with this week's chaos involving the funding bill. but the party faced a big test about how willing it is to propel the next generation of democrats. congresswoman alexandria ocasio- cortez. one of the most popular democrats in the district ran to be in the oversight committee. she has been a member of the committee five years and has made a name for herself by grilling witnesses like former trump fixer michael cohen back in 2019. after nancy pelosi built an
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against her, they named jerry connely as the ranking member of house oversight. the congressman was on with my colleague a short time ago. >> i think there has been a lot of nonsense frankly on the generational change. what the democratic caucus did was try to put their best generals on the battleground. who is qualified? who has proved their mettle. who has the skill set and it had nothing to do with how old people were. but can they bring capability and function. >> this is not to demean his decades of service in congress but time and time again, democrats push aside demands for a fresh start in lieu of norms. loyalties. statesmanship. and experience. which to be clear aoc has, the scoffing at embracing new faces of the party often comes back to bite democrats at elections but not always just elections.
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take what happened with late supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg. democrats raised concerns about her staying on the bench into her 80s instead of stepping down. then president obama met with her in 2013 ahead of midterm elections said if democrats lost control of the senate, he would lose the chance to appoint a younger liberal judge who could hold the seat for decades. but that effort failed just as an earlier attempt made by patrick lehey. beginsburg said she was committed to her work until she passed away. she was replaced by a trump pick solidifying the court with a 6-3 conservative majority. there is also the late senator diane feinstein. her health issues prompted calls for her to step aside.
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instead of resigning she asked to be temporarily replaced on the committee which was blocked by senate republicans. feinstein passed away later that year. and of course, there is president biden who resisted early calls to step out of the race before ultimately doing so in late july. the timing of his exit and its outcome on the election will always be debated no doubt about it. but what happened in november's election has happened. it is time touching things up and evolve and be the things the party prides itself in being. if this was a test for democrats, in my opinion, they failed it. as my colleague put it, in rejecting aoc's bid, democrats have committed a major unforced error in the party's struggle to define its future. here with me onset, the man who wrote that article, hayes brown. and julie radensky. great to have both of you with
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us. hayes, your piece argues that the democrats, this was an unforced error. lay it out for us. >> the core state they made was in keeping with the tradition of making it so the person with the most seniority has dibs on the top spot on any given committee. the oversight committee is the most overtly political committee in the house at this point. because of its adversarial nature with the white house, it has become a perfect political round to build power. in the case of when you see unified government as we will see in january, it is a chance to run cover for the president. that is when the minority needs
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to step in. we need to talk about them and make them public. it has become a major ground for the best communicators in the house the ones best at getting the messaging out there and across. if you look at, again, nothing against jerry connely. if you look at the energy he brings versus aoc, the amount of people interested in listening to her and her ability to push a message to hammer home points in debates, this was a major miss for them. >> and her outreach. the fact she has an ability to speak to an audience i would argue jerry connely cannot reach. he is just not going to reach the masses in the same way somebody like aoc is, and somebody who and that may be a critique of the media environment when aoc speaks,
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the media covers her, that is what you need to mobilize the spotlight from a minority position in the oversight committee. >> you have to be someone who can grab onto the megaphone and speak to the masses and let the people know here is what is happening in the administration. the administration doesn't want you to know about in this specific administration, it will be extremely important. this isn't to say that jerry is a bad choice. but given the energy that we will see with republicans trying to do their best to bolster trump's agenda, especially the things that don't have to go through congress or be debated in legislation, that is where the ranking member will be crucial to making sure the american people know what's going on. >> this seems like a self- inflicted wound here for democrats. we all saw the results coming out of the election that young voters were not as enthused
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about the democratic party. and you have somebody who is a prominent member of the democratic party who appeals to the young voters in this country and she is not elevated. >> i said the day after the election, the democrats have a massive messaging problem and aoc is part of solving that problem. i can't think of any messenger on the democratic side, nobody in leadership, certainly nobody in the house or senate who has the ability to communicate the way that she does. you may not always agree with what she says but she knows how to make her point and make it well and across mediums where democrats have been outcommunicated by republicans. to not put her on this committee the democrats will have an opportunity to message on is such an unforced errorment it is such a mistake that it makes me wonder if democrats on the hill have learned any lessons from our loss. we were supposed to get the
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house back this year and nobody paid the price from that not happening. same leadership is in place. nancy pelosi is still continuing to call the shots. she worked very hard against aoc. at the end of the day, you have to wonder what lessons they draw from the fact we are once again not in the majority. we are doubling down in the same failed strategies with the same failed people who got us in this mess in the first place, i have a lot of respect for connely but when you have somebody with the talent aoc has and the ability to communicate the way she does and with show millennials and gen z voters not only that she is paying attention but they pay attention to her in a way they do not pay attention to hakeem jeffries or jerry connely or jamie raskin. why not give her that megaphone
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and let her run with it? especially because we know she has done a good job and her cross-examination has gone viral in ways and broken through in ways that no other member has been able to breakthrough. it boggles the mind. >> why would you think she was not given that position? i mean, you think of the issue of age when brought up by people like ruth bader ginsberg and the reaction from some democrats suggesting ageism. at what point do democrats get serious about the demands for new blood in the party and not only younger voices but new priorities as well? why do you think they did this to aoc? >> you know, i'm going to speak some truth to power here to my party. i worked on the hill. i know what happens. there is aens is of institutionalism and a sense of doubling down on strategies
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that don't work where you are in a bubble. i have been at this for over 30 years. i have been party to it. i get it. i understand how it works down there. but the reality is that they need to break out of this institutional bubble. the institutionalism failed us. it failed us when barack obama did not throw any hostages on the tarmac in 2008. after the financial crisis. it failed us us when democrats covered up joe biden's mental and physical state until we saw the debate. constantly, there is this trust me mentality coming out of our leadership that we are just supposed to trust what they are saying. i say this who was an institutionalist my entire year. i am here to say it is time to turn the page and stop trusting people who have continuously
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told us to trust them the working people of this country have abandoned the democratic party. black men and latinos abandon the democratic party. it's not working. we need to stop trusting the people that got us into this mess and give an opportunity to others who step up. >> there is an irony here that aoc criticizes being too far left. too out of touch with mainstream. and that was the rhetoric used against nancy pelosi back in 2006. she ultimately became speaker of the house. she embraced that call of being to the left if you will. and now nancy pelosi is reportedly in opposition of aoc. and it makes you wonder why you are sewing this position by somebody who came up the ranks, a woman who fought her way to the top of the political echelon in this country and
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somebody who embraced being from san francisco and the so- called san francisco values. >> only two real reasons to keep aoc from the top spot. one being the idea she is too far to the left of the party. that people turn off, people who otherwise would be engaged to put her in leadership. that she will be attacked by republicans. as much as you say, nancy pelosi has been there, done that. she was the face of the democratic party. the one who put in all the fund raising emails and everything like that. aoc fit the bill in much the same way. the other argument against aoc is because she has not put in enough time to really have earned her stripes to get up there to the leadership role. but there is a reason jamie raskin made aoc his vice ranking member to make sure she could be right beside him at the forefront of leading the committee. see how leadership works. see how the committee runs and
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basically, be ready to fill that role. she saw jerry connely, saw it was his tournament someone who had been loyal and thought to herself basically it is his time. we have to make sure the seniority system stays roughly in place so people put up do so based on seniority i get why that worked for a lot of people. you had black lawmakers in sayer districts who got to work their way up and be committee chairs at a time when it was more difficult to climb the ranks. that is why the black caucus is in favor of the seniority system. to put that in place here with aoc is to say we will focus on
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there's been a lot of attention this week on mitch mcconnell. the republican senator headlines when he published an op ed in foreign affairs magazine. taking aim at his party's embrace of isolationism, including donald trump. he says america will not be made great again by those who simply want to manage its decline. mcconnell's remarks garnered praise not just from democrats and republicans but also media attention with headlines portraying him as part of the new anti-trump gop resistance. the idea is absurd. no one has helped trump's rise
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more than mitch mcconnell. this is the same mcconnell who effectively stole two supreme court seats from democrats, went onto endorse trump even after he launched a series of racist attacks against mcconnell's wife. we are where we are today thanks in part to mitch mcconnell and we should not forget that. julie and hayes are back with me. serially? he will be the anti-trump resistance warrior? >> you forget the part where he refused to convict trump. basically told his mob to go get him. and then told his advisers don't worry about it. the democrats will get that son of a you know what. well guess what? nobody got him. he is back in control. the last person that donald trump cares about is mitch
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mcconnell. and i'll be very curious to see what mitch mcconnell does if he will vote for all of these people will effectively doing vladimir putin's will. they are all absolutely committed to the decline of america's strength in the world. the decline of the pax americana. i will be interested to see if he does more. maybe a few people in new york, not by donald trump for sure. and nobody who actually matters in terms of making decisions that actually effects this country. >> what do you think this is about, mitch mcconnell no longer in a leadership position, he is within the party not somebody who carries a lot of ideological weight?
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the shift trump has been trying to pursue. what is this play that mitch mcconnell is trying to position himself as? >> i will say something semi nice about mitch mcconnell. i don't believe this is him trying to rehab his image. he hasn't cared about that at all. he cares about the acquisition and the accumulation of power. he cares about america being the top gun on the world stage. he is very ironic we are voting together as a block. that is how we have power.
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so, for him to be putting this out there and saying hey, guys, don't withdrawal from the world. he wants to keep ukraine money flowing. this is what mitch mcconnell, i really do think cares about as much as he cares about anything that can be considered policy driven. purely how you obtain political power thing. >> and we saw, we have four years of trump in office with mitch mcconnell by his side. in the first term, you had trump's embrace of isolationism when it came to foreign policy. cozying up with dictators like vladimir putin and kim jong un. it was not a secret. yet mitch mcconnell went along with it every step of the way. here he is now trying to be relevant. >> i don't know if he is trying to be relevant. he cares about something much more than anything else that hayes mentioned. that is judges. he really, really, really cares
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about stacking the federal bench so after he is long gone an trump is long gone, those judges are still going the be able to do the same policies that mitch mcconnell and donald trump espoused so the reality is in exchange for all the judges, having a republican president to nominate all of those, mitch mcconnell has given up everything else he cares about including foreign policy which i strongly believe he does care about, and yet, i think it doesn't matter as much as it matters to have a republican in the white house. he knew exactly who he was endorsing earlier this year, he couldn't even bring himself to name trump's name. he knows exactly what he is getting and yet, he supported him. and he supported exactly what comes along with supporting donald trump. a man who bends the knee to vladimir putin and who now is
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shielding assad. nominating tulsi gabbard. a man who pals around and accepts love letters to kim jong un. the judges were so important to him, that he subsumed all of his other believes in exchange for getting those through and that is the legacy he is leaving this country. >> such an important point about the judges. is there even room for anti- trump resistance within the gop when you look at why would any republican risk their political life when you see what has happened to the jeff flakes and the liz cheneys of the world. why would you as a republican who wants a future in this country say i will try to take trump on? >> i don't think there is. i don't think there is room to
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go after trump directly. i don't think there is room to directly criticize him. as we saw with the house vote, there is room to disagree with him on specific issues and go after people around him saying they are giving him bad advice. room to critique the way he is doing things and saying okay, we should go try and turn him this way. there are ways to try to influence trump. but i don't think that there is any room for what it would take to really show that any sort of real independence from trump. that is what there is not room for in the party at the moment. >> hayes, julie, stick around. we have a quick break, then, why south carolina has the dishonor of being our worst of the week. rst of the week. emerge as you, with clearer skin. with tremfya®, most people saw 100% clear skin...
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south carolina edition. a handful of republican state lawmakers are doubling down on their antiabortion crusade. they set the ground work to reintroduce a bill defining abortion as homicide. a crime that is punishable by death under state law. south carolina already has one of the strictest abortion bans in the country but the proposed bill would expand the definition of person in the state's criminal code to include an unborn child at any stage of development. the bill was prefiled by a gop state representative and is set to be introduced when the new legislative session begins next month. hayes brown and julie are back with me. hayes, i want to start with your reaction to this bill criminalizing abortion as a homicide. and considering a person, an embryo at any stage of development a person. the abortion ban enacted in that state and places across the country as highly
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restrictive but this legislation by any measure would be extreme. >> absolutely. what is interesting is the fact they feel confident enough to continue to reintroduce this after it going nowhere in the last legislative session. the version of the bill they had was denounced by some republicans. the new version that has been introduced includes that language. they keep pushing it over the window again further. so the question will be whether or not, how many votes this bill will get in the south
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carolina legislature this time around compared to last time. if it fails, how do we get next time to make it more palatable? >> what is your take away that the same south carolina lawmakers support defining abortion with few exceptionss a killing a person under the criminal code. or something else? several state lawmakers who oppose this fear a miscarriage could actually now lead to murder charges for women. >> anybody who has ever had a miscarriage or has had fear of a miscarriage, you take yourself to the hospital and you hope that the doctor can save your baby and the one thing you don't have to worry about is a doctor turning you in for a potential murder and a crime of some sort. all you can do is save your baby. this goes further. the one issue not raised is any stage of development means from the start of fertilization, what that means is effectively
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if you undergo ivf as i did to have my son, you know, that is murder if you discard the embryos you are not using after you are done. that goes to the heart of how many people, including pro life people in south carolina have their children. for people to understand how extreme this is, this is not just criminalizing with potential death penalty consequences. people who have abortions. life saving terminations of their pregnancy because they may die and they have to wait until they are going into sepsis for a doctor to touch them. we know from tragic cases in places like georgia and texas, doctors are wary of doing anything. but this includes preventing people from having children they want through ivf. these are bills introduced by men who have never gone through
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any of this. who have never experienced any of this. who probably don't know people who have experienced this or had conversations to know whether somebody has experienced this. but life is messy and complicated. and to have this kind of just completely sadistic piece of legislation out there, that is there to say other than we are living in some bizarre world that no one recognizes anymore. but there are no consequences because look who we just elected. >> a bizarre world. a world that might get a little darker because you have the supreme court agreeing this week to review south carolina's efforts to defund planned parenthood by disqualifying it from providing non-abortion services to medicaid patients so it is expanding this attempt to crack down on planned parenthood. what kind of impact could a ruleing in that case have? >> in theory, the reason why
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planned parenthood is arguing that this south carolina law is unconstitutional is because it violates a part of federal law that say ifs you are a recipient of medicaid, you can choose a qualified health care provider who accepts medicaid. south carolina said except for planned parenthood. but, there is already federal law saying that planned parent today can't be reimbursed for their abortion activities this is going further saying you can't do any of that with medicaid funding. in a sane world, the supreme would say this is a primacy clause issue. this provision is junk, get rid of it because they are trying to limit the access to health care in violation of federal law. but because of the court we have, what is not a guarantee. you could say yes, but the
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state has a right to do what it needs to to protect the welfare of its people. that's something i could see john roberts write through just to get through the day. i greatly appreciate you joining us throughout the evening and happy holidays to the both of you. coming up, you have seen his viral videos in new york city cabs and subways, but kareem finds himself in our studio next. himself in our studio next. what causes a curve down there? is it peyronie's disease? will it get worse? how common is it? who can i talk to? can this be treated? stop typing. start talking to a specialized urologist. because it could be peyronie's disease, or pd. it's a medical condition where there is a curve in the erection, caused by a formation of scar tissue. and an estimated 1 in 10 men may have it. but pd can be treated even without surgery. say goodbye to searching online. find a specialized urologist who can diagnose pd and build a treatment plan with you. visit makeapdplan.com today.
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separate bedrooms. >> restaurants where the vibe the better than the food need to be fined, shut down, or they have post a disclaimer in the window. we don't go for the vibe. >> all right, keep the meter running. this time, he hit the subway where most people hope to avoid conversation at all costs. his idea for subway takes was simple. skip the full podcast. just make the clip. ask one question. what is your take? his guests range from pop stars like charlie scx. and jane goodall. with hundreds of millions of views. he is turning down celebrities. thankfully, he did not turn down our show. here onset, in new york,
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kareem. hey buddy. >> we feel like we are there in the beginning of your meteoric rise. and your creative genius. you feel like you owe us. >> of course. >> we appreciate it. there is captive audience sitting around saying i wonder what that guy is thinking. on her way to. there is a way to reveal all that information. >> i ride the subway a lot in
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new york. people don't have patience. so when you are in there for a crew filming celebrities there, you ever get anyone who was like, i'm just trying to get to work. can you get out of my way? >> honestly, it's like a free talk show. it's a live show. and yeah. it is people. >> the only person that had a lot of people with her was gwynn stefani. she had a lot of handlers and such. >> why do celebrities want to come on the show? what is it about the format, the conversation that is such an appeal? we are saying you are turning down celebrities. >> we get 50 emails a day. >> no way. >> for pitches. >> so it is more of a vibe
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based approach. right? peoplehave 100 million instagram followers. and the take is not there. the take is not good enough. it is like a hot seat. it has become this kind of like, especially comedians are at the core of the show. out of every ten episodes, five of them are local comedians. that is what makes the show truly incredible. you know. they are the ones that make it happen. but people clamor at the opportunity to get on there. it is like going on fallon or whatever. >> really quick side bar, how do you decide what trains to take, where do you get on and off? >> it's a science. and an art. sometimes, we, you know, it just depends on the day. don't look for many people from 11:00 to 2:00. then the train, it just depends on the feeling. it really depends on the
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feeling. >> is comedy getting better or worse? >> i think comedy has never been better. >> really? >> yeah. >> i 100% agree. >> let's go! >> i like it. >> why do you think it is getting better? >> i think it is more accessible. there's a lot of new voices. and it is just more widely distributed. there was an era when they were rock stars and that went away for a while. now comedians are back doing rock stars which is really great. >> i like the accessibility. with the people you watch on tv. the comedians. it feels more authentic and more real. who is the best guest since you started the series? >> this young lad asad binbo. i think he is like 20 years old. but he is so funny and his take is a meta absurdity. like andrea canningty kaufman character. it's too crazy to say on the
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air. but it is very funny. >> we will tell our viewers to make sure to catch that one. which politician embarrassed themselves the most in 2024 this past year? >> kamala harris easily. >> why so? >> we did the subway take. and, let's just say we had discussed doing a subway take i thought was really good. funny. and strong. an would connect with people. when i got there, the subway take was about bacon. and i was like this is not a good idea. >> what's wrong with bacon? >> a lot of people don't eat it. a lot of people don't eat bacon. it just didn't seem like a good way to help promote anything. ant i don't eat bacon. i don't know anything about the subject. i don't eat bacon so i really don't have much. >> you don't know how to
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connect with it. >> yeah. >> so it was an awkward interview. and it was mutually agreed upon it is probably not. >> maybe she wouldn't have lost the election. it all came down to the subway takes. >> that's why i didn't want to participate. but now that it is over, maybe i will release it. >> interesting. >> with the caption didn't want to sway the election. >> what is your take on what needs to stay in 2024 and what should we bring into 2025? >> what need to stay? oh, what do we need to leave behind. >> goodness. probably genocide. that's a good one. >> an important one. >> and bring peace into 2025. >> 100% agree as you say on subway takes. >> let's go. >> that's exactly what i said. >> we will do this same time next year. >> i'll be there.
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saying a heartbreaking good-bye to his three-year-old granddaughter. in that clip, you can hear him calling reem the soul of my soul as he holds her lifeless body and mourns her death. that expression of utter despair over the loss of this lively sweet little girl who had captured his heart, who he had adored so much, resonated with hundreds of thousands of people around the world. the video went viral and he became recognized as an embodiment of the ago any of the palestinian people in gaza. here is what he told al jazeera of his granddaughter. >> she has a special place in my heart. she used to come hug me every
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day. now i go to hug her spiritually in her grave. today i was at her grave and spoke to her about our situation. then i cried a lot. i cried alone to myself. >> but earlier this week, nearly 13 months after reem was killed, napan was also killed been an israeli tank shell in a refugee camp. you can see the immense outpouring of grief over his killing. this was a man beloved by his community and people far from gaza alike. even after the devastating losses of his grandchildren and forced displacement of his own family, he continuously cared for his loved ones and for fellow palestinians. videos of him shared over the past year capture his giving spirit. his son told al jazeera that he turned into a one man relief agency and worked continuously to provide for his family even starving himself to make sure they had enough food. he gathered and distributed
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winter clothing to children giving kids living in refugee camps hats, scarves, and blankets with a warm smile on his face. he helped cook and serve food to his fellow gazans who had also been displaced. he played tug of war and games with the kids and made them laugh. he flew a kite with young children gathered around him looking above at the blue sky. he dared for his elderly mother cooking meals for her and sharing bread in her tent. in one video, he surprised her with a red rose. he showed that same affection to stray cats, spooning out cans of food for them on the street to eat. he looked out continuously for his neighbors and surviving family members alike documenting moments of joy, rare joy like the arrival of a baby granddaughter. and an equal parts, the oppression and violence of israeli attacks, the destruction of his brother's house. here is what they said in an
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interview before he was killed. >> his killing is a grim full circle moment as some wrote in their tributes to him on social media. he has now gone to join his beloved granddaughter. this gentle bearded man who might be presented as a menacing threat because of how he looked was just the opposite. he became a universal symbol of the incomprehensible pain of the palestinian people coupled with enduring hope, resilience, an love. that does it for me tonight. come back tomorrow, i'll be speaking to achmad moore, one
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