good morning. it is sunday, december 2 22nd. in less than two weeks, a new group of lawmakers will be sworn in. the final days of the 118th congress have been mired in

chaos and dysfunction which is raising questions about how republicans will rule in washington and if there majority will be functional for the next two years. latest spending battle exposed the fact that there is disunity within the house gop. ultimately, republicans, despite owning a majority in the house needed democratic vote to pass the latest continuing revolution in order to avoid another unnecessary government shutdown. they may need the democrats' help in order to get anything done in the next congress because for the first time in modern history, house majority will rest on thinner margins than the senate in the 119th congress. they were members of the gop who don't want to work with democrats at all and they are trying to suppress this within their own party. >> i wish we could say all of the trouble was over with the democrats but we have seen how a few people with r behind their name are trying to hurt, we the people, as we go into their next era where america first policies are going to be

implemented to make our lives better once again. we need to bring down those obstructionists to help president trump. are you up for that? >> we don't need partisanship now, we need hyper partisanship now. the conversation is over. >> last week near government shutdown has also called into question the future of the republican party's congressional leadership, even though the house gop conference nominated mike johnson for speaker just a month ago, the path has left him with a bruised ego and an uncertain future. at least one congressman has said in the past week that he does not intend to vote for johnson when the full households the speakership election at the beginning of the new year. there is some thought that mike johnson may need some democratic votes to win re- election as speaker after the debacle two years ago that saw kevin mccarthy win after 15 rounds of voting and then be unseated by a member of his own

republican conference. johnson can only afford to lose a few if he wants to keep the gavel. meanwhile, congressional republicans will also have to figure out how to work with trump and his allies like elon musk who is a key figure in throwing capitol hill into chaos last week. plus, the president-elect failed last-minute demand for congress to raise or even eliminate the debt ceiling and was a reminder that republicans still have some fundamental disagreements on policy and procedure that is continuing to drive a wedge within the party. some republicans are already beginning to publicly voice their concern about how difficult things could get as they prepare to take over washington with more spending bills and the issue of the debt ceiling looming on the horizon. the republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska put it this way. quote, when you have challenges in your own organization from the very get-go -- nobody said it is going to be easy. next year is going to be challenging. 20 me now, jennifer rubin, opinion writer for the washington post, also of the

book resistance, how women saved democracy from donald trump. joining us as well, stuart stevens, senior advisor for the lincoln project, founding project of resolution square. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. stuart, let me talk to you first. maybe we have to make distinctions on one side and people like don bacon but steve bannon's call for not partisanship but hyper partisanship, it makes me worry about what the next two years will look like in congress. >> the lesson that we have is that it does not matter what the bacon's of the world think they're not in control at all and it is just extraordinary how the weird collection of oddballs and freaks are driving

the agenda for america. steve bannon? carriage lake? these are people who will not say who won the 2020 election. the democrats should be much more out front on this. they should be saying every nominee that comes before us, we will ask two questions. do you believe that joe biden won a free and fair election in 2020? if you say you don't know, it does not matter. you are disqualified to serve in government. do you believe that those who are convicted of attacking police on january 6 should be pardoned? they say no? that is it. they need to set the standards here because that is what is shifting. when trump was elected in 2020, there was huge outcry. now it is the same tiredness. when he was elected in 2016, i mean. it was almost an exhaustion.

it is important that that not be the norm. >> you hold up the norm on the show. >> by the way, for instance, i would like to talk to anybody who wants to come on this show but we do have some standards and those standards are if you can't accept the results of the 2020 election, we can't go forward with that election. there are 34 members of the republican conference who, for whatever reason, don't want to participate in a congress that operates. you've got kari lake, steve bannon, elon musk . yet, they have this tiny majority. mike johnson needs to be able to have his whole conference and participation from the democrats in order to move forward. otherwise, we are just in for dysfunction and that may sort the problem out for republicans. >> i think it will.

you mentioned steve bannon who is effectively acting as president of the united states. he blew up a bipartisan budget deal. when they got through it all, republicans had not advanced any. in fact, democrats got credit for blowing up this idea to suspend the debt ceiling. there is a fundamental problem with republicans in the majority and that is that they don't want to govern. they don't know how to govern and they don't want to. what they want to do is blow up the place and that is fine if you are running for office, if you are in the minority. you can make all of the switches you want but when you are in majority, you've got to do stuff and the majority -- ability to do step will be severely limited by the sutter dysfunction. democrats have to do a few things. sue is right. in the senate confirmation hearings, they must hold these people accountable for their crazy stuff. secondly, they should never be

told to make it. if mike johnson can't get a majority, he can't get a majority. there is no reason in the world by democrats should be voting for him. democrats do need to put forward what they would be doing instead of this dysfunction. they will be up for re-election in 2026. what with the alternative be? it would be a same bipartisan democratic agenda, continuing the biden tradition, continuing with things like bipartisan infrastructure, not making a mess out of a functional popular affordable care act. democrats need to do all of those things but most of all, they just need to point out that the american people have sh it. >> both of you have mentioned that senate hearing. you are all very hopeful they will be hearings. i am not fully sold on the idea that there will because donald

trump would prefer there is not. there is that in the speaker vote. two weeks ago, i would have thought that was not the thing. now, we will see that it will also be a thing. mike johnson, and there are lots of reasons to not like mike johnson, and he is a christian nationalist. that said, he did understand that you need democratic support to do what he needs to do. he is on the side of compromise to get things done. do you share the view that democrats should not be allowed in electing johnson as speaker? he may not become speaker of the democrats were two does not vote for him. >> i think democrats should not elect mike johnson to be speaker. he is one of these accidental figures in american politics who will pop up every time. the problem is, there is this refusal to accept that you are a governing party and that is why you got elected. the root of this is this lack

of any conservative consistent philosophy. what does it mean to be an american conservative today? we used to be able to answer that and say there are certain core principles who might disagree on this bill or this issue and there are these principles. deficit counts. tariffs count. all of this now is out the window. donald trump has this mind that is like a pinball machine on tilt and you have elon musk, this strange character, driving this agenda. there is no philosophy behind it. there is no coherent sense of what government's role should be in our lives and that is ultimately the republican party. >> this is an interesting point. i look back to 1994 and the contract with america, which by the way, was a mandate. you might not have liked it but they got the mandate and there were a lot of them and they had a mission. they pulled off a lot of that

mission. that is not what this feels like. that is not what this feels like. this does not feel like we campaigned to be the governing party in congress, we won as the governing party of congress but instead of doing this list of things that stuart is talking about, we are going to be chaotic about it and we are going to be chaotic in a way that does not indicate who is in charge. is it my johnson? steve bannon? donald trump? elon musk? >> this is the cult of power and the cult of personality that donald trump postures. what are they for? they are for whatever donald trump and elon musk tell them to before. it is chaotic. it is contradictory. remember, they won on the dissatisfaction of the american people, whether right or wrong, with the state of government and the state of the economy. if they don't do anything about that, if they make things worse or they just continue this, they're going to get them out too. the american people are very

anti-incumbent. western democracies these days have a very tough time staying in power because of this underlying dissatisfaction with democratic government, with inflation, with the complications that come with democracy. if they are in power for two years, what are they going to do to actually keep themselves in power? dating power for power's sake works. unfortunately, for them, we do still have elections and the american people will say, what have you done for me lately? if the answer is nothing, or you made my life more chaotic, or you gave tax cuts to a bunch of billionaires, or you made my healthcare more expensive, they are going to get bounced out and they should. >> you point out the key factor here and that is that rather than being a landslide, this has been a copy of what has happened in almost every western democracy in which a government that was in place during the end of covid and had seen inflation, got kicked out. that is how elections work. what you make, stuart, of the elon musk role here? it has been awfully confusing.

he seemed to get up one morning and tweet that there should be no budget deal i know continuing resolution and then suddenly donald trump was on the side of things and then suddenly there was no resolution and we were headed for a government shutdown. interestingly enough, a few people bucked that trend but tell me what you make of who elon musk is and how long this little partnership will go on for. >> you know, this is the oddest thing that is happening in american politics and that is the influence of these white south africans who came to america. you have peter teal, elon musk. they are just these odd people who have succeeded in america in a way they never could have succeeded under any other system. yet, they seem dead set on changing that system. at the hollowness of this, the core of this is a craziness. no individual in the history of america has ever profited from government spending as much as elon musk. the reason he is vastly wealthy

is tesla. the reason he is profitable is because of carbon credits and the $7500 ev rebate that you get on a lot of their models. that is it. the government is basically subsidizing. taxpayers are subsidizing the profitability of tesla. you don't see him coming in and saying we should end the carbon credit or end that eb rebate any more than you have joni ernst saying let's cut the budget but not farm subsidies. really, it is strange. i don't think that elon musk will wear well in the trump world and i don't really think he will wear well in america. he tweeted over 100 times yesterday. that is someone in a manic cycle and statistically, they tend to burn out. >> we also saw a president who has done that in the past. we have a lot of manic cycles going on at that level.

thank you to both of you, good to see you both and thank you to everyone -- everything you have done for us this past year. jennifer rubin, an opinion writer for the washington post and stuart stevens, the senior advisor at the lincoln project. still ahead, when a free press is under attack, so is our democracy. this matters to every single american no matter who your party is, no matter which news outlet you read or watch. i will discuss the crucial drop that journalists have in holding the line for democracy. if you are planning to watch the iconic christmas classic it's a wonderful life this week, pay extra attention to the scene where panicked customers confront george bailey about the safety of their money in their small town bank. the scene is fiction but the similar situation could be very real if the fdic goes away. i will speak with the former head of the fdic sheila bair about the importance of the agency. you are watching velshi . tchin .

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we are learning more about the man accused of driving his car through a crowded christmas market in germany, killing five and injuring 25 others. officials say he is from saudi arabia but appears to have anti- immigrant beliefs himself. he is currently being held on murder charges and it is to be determined if the attack is terrorism related. we have the latest. >> reporter: german city in grief after what was supposed to be an evening of festivities and ended in scenes of porter. they had crowded the christmas market when all of the sudden, the unimaginable. a car slamming into a crowd of people, five killed. among those, a 9-year-old child. 200 people were injured, 41 with serious injuries, some of those deemed life-threatening.

authorities say it all happened within a three-minute window. the suspect entered the market using the emergency access route, approaching slowly and then accelerating into the crowd. it was scary, this man said. all of the sudden we heard a muscled noise, the engine roaring, people screaming. police immediately surrounding an individual seen lying on the ground. the suspect has been identified according to two senior officials, a psychiatrist seen here in an interview just last week with a right-wing activist organization. german officials say the 50- year-old man came from saudi arabia back in 2006. his x account tells the story of a man who renounced his faith, regularly posting anti- islam views, criticizing the german government for what he says is a crackdown on critics of islam. germany's interior ministry saying the suspect was clearly

is llama phobic. the chancellor paying tribute to the victim. >> it has happened a lot of time in germany but not near us. it is really hard. >> thank you. still had, as an american business reporter and an american, i have a message for you. the fdic is a vital agency for every american. i will explain why. explain wh to soothe her with ease. puffs plus lotion is gentle on sensitive skin and locks in moisture to provide soothing relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. need a last minute gift idea? get the weathertech gift card! for laser measured floorliners, cargo liner, pet feeding system or the new garage wall protector. get your gift card instantly at wt.com

george bailey is a community banker who bases a room full of panicked customers who think that his small town bank is going to bail. they are threatening to withdraw their savings but the bank, which pays interest on the savings and then lends the money to others to buy things like houses does not have enough cash on hand to refund all of its depositors. george convinces the depositors to accept a smaller amount on

the which he covers personally. that is the famous bank run scene from the 1946 classic it's a wonderful life. >> don't you see what's happening? potter isn't selling. potter is buying. we are panicking and he is not. we can get through this thing all right. we've got to stick together. we have to have faith in each other. >> my husband hasn't worked in over a year. >>, going to live until the bank opens? >> i need cash. >> how much do you need? >> hey! i've got $2000. this will tie us over until the bank reopens. >> i am not just playing that clip because it is a christmas classic, it is also a perfect depiction of a bank run and it underscores the role of the fdic or the fdic and some of the trump transition team could learn a lesson or two from it.

the incoming administration has reportedly started looking at ways to drastically shrink, consolidate, or even eliminate the top bank regulators in washington. according to the wall street journal, and recent interviews with potential nominees to lead bank regulatory agencies, president-elect donald trump's advisors and officials from his newfound department of government efficiency have, for example, asked whether he could abolish the federal deposit insurance corporation. let me tell you why this is a really bad idea. the fdic, which created during the great depression after thousands of banks began to fail, many americans lost their savings. those who did not lose their money right away panicked and withdrew their deposits, knowing what is called a bank run and causing more banks to close. that scene was familiar to many americans back then. today it is more difficult for most of us to relate to that movie scene and that is things to the fdic. the agency was created to restore and maintain the public's confidence in the

financial system and it worked. the fdic began ensuring banks in january 1934, creating stability in the banking system. banks and savings associations would basically pay small premiums for deposit insurance companies by the fdic. it is called an insurance corporation. at the end of 1934, only nine banks had failed, compared to the more than 9000 banks that had failed in the previous four years. today, the broad purpose of the fdic is to protect your money in the event of a bank's failure. it does so by deposit insurance. the fdic insures trillions of dollars in deposits at almost every major bank and savings associations in the united states. the agency will ensure at least $250,000 per depositor at fdic insured banks. since its creation, no american banking consumer had lost money that was in an fdic insured

account even when the bank failed. the fdic has also kept an eye on financial institutions to make sure things are operating soundly and consumers remain protected and they bank does fail, the fdic runs point on that too. works to find a solution for the bank and limits the effect that a bank failure may have on the broader economy. it was common during the great recession for a bank to fail and shut its doors on a friday, for customers to have access to their funds from an atm over the weekend and for the bank to reopen under new ownership on a monday morning, all courtesy of the fdic. sheila bair, former fdic chair during the great recession, when some major american banks failed, says if the agency were to shutter, it would be a big mistake. she says, quote, the fdic has a perfect record of protecting insured deposits for over 90 years. treasury has no expertise in handling bank failures, changing the guarantor would

create confusion among depositors who are comforted by the fdic insured sign at their banks. i am one of those people. i see those signs and i am like, that places safe. sheila bair 20 now. as i mentioned, she is the former chair of the fdic. three to see you again. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> this is one of those things where i fully understand and sympathize with americans who would like to make the government more efficient. that is a shared goal for a lot of people. this one does not make sense for me because the fdic works. you and i talk so regularly during the financial crisis. it worked every time. what is the problem now? >> it ain't broke. >> be fdic is one of those things that have made america a great country and a great economy. there is tremendous consumer confidence in the brand. people are confident when they see that fdic insured sign. it

is not just protecting that money, making sure they can get the money, it is making sure they have seamless access to the money which means you need a professional organization who knows how to handle bank failures so people will continue to have access to their insured funds. we don't really know what is going on here. this is based on if they want to get rid of it, transfer it to treasury. i had in a portfolio, a bank policy when i was there during the deadly bush administration. i don't think treasury wants that, at least the current one. the whole idea is to have an independent agency. what is more, it is funded for by bank premiums. banks pay for deposit insurance, the treasury doesn't. we did not borrow from the treasury wants during the great financial crisis. the banks carry the full load and that is important because that keeps it politically

insulated and independent, which the treasury is not. the treasury deals with taxpayer-funded programs, not these independent programs. it has been hugely successful. money was running into banks, knocked out of them. i was very proud of that. insured deposits were increasing dramatically during the crisis because people knew their money would be safe with the fdic. >> lots of government agency brands, people don't think about that much but the bank is proud to have that sticker on the door. if you come and make a deposit with us, you will be good. i want people to understand why the mechanics of this work and why it is important to them. let's go back to 2008. there would be a bank failure. you would know it was coming because you are on top of this as the chair of the fdic. generally speaking, the bank closure would be announced after markets closed on a friday afternoon. the announcement would say, this bank is now closed.

you will be able to access the atms over the weekend. it has been assumed by another bank because you were busy making that deal. on monday morning, it will reopen as a different bank and it makes no difference to you, the banking consumer. >> absolutely. that is exactly right. the vast majority of our failures, and we had a lot, 65% during my tenure, it was seamless and sold to another bank. it was just a change of management. it really did not make any difference to the depositor. they had access to the money or on the lending side too. if they had a line of credit or a mortgage that had not been funded yet, all of the services continued uninterrupted. people don't understand that side of the fdic resolution, knowing how to handle bank payer with access to them. it is extremely important. your description was perfect. the vast majority of our failures are handled exactly

like that. >> this is why we have to be careful. we have created a world for 50 years where we don't like government and we think we can do better than government. government agencies are an intrusion into our lives and that may be true of some but there are a lot that keep your food safe and your air safe and they keep your money safe. i think we have to be careful not to get caught up in our excessive government efficiency pursuit to throw the baby out with the bathwater. >> this one is a real had a scratch or. the fdic is the only one that assures deposits and handles failsafe. there is no overlap or inefficiency. on the supervisory side, the fdic is also a bank regulator, supervisor. there have been ongoing debates about whether that could be consolidated. there are pros and cons of that. let's not get that issue confused with the unique skill set that the fdic has which is

a singular focus on protecting insured deposits. it has kept our banking systems stable. not only do people lose money but the problem is, those banks can't keep lending. you have a huge economic impact. all of the banks are closed because of the bank runs. this is really not something to mess around with. i think they can focus -- we don't have time for that today but this is not one. this is definitely not one. >> good to see you. thank you for joining us. sheila bair is the former chairwoman of the fdic. we will be right back. right b. . metamucil's psyllium fiber helps keep your digestive system moving so you can feel lighter and more energetic. metamucil keeps you movin'. and try fizzing fiber plus vitamins. big news for mahomes! i'm switching to iphone 16 pro at t-mobile! it's built for apple intelligence. that's like peanut butter on jelly... on gold. get four iphone 16 pro on us, plus four lines for $25 bucks. what a deal.

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and senior correspondent for author of the reactionary spirit. the most insidious political tradition sent the world. thank you to us for being here. every american citizen is struggling with what their role is in holding the line for democracy. for us, it is important to get this right. that is why i wanted to talk to both of you. what are we supposed to do as journalists in a world in which people are being targeted who are opponents of the government ? that's okay. there are supposed to be opponents of the government but they are being targeted and we have to report on that and we ourselves are targeted as a result of those efforts. >> i think we have to continue doing our job, which is constitutionally protected. let's not forget that. for all of the threats that had been wielded against the press, there is still the first amendment and i don't think that is going away. it is true that donald trump

has -- referred to the press as the enemy of the people, fake news, he has certainly made a lot of threats during his first administration and there are ways in which he has retaliated, as we know, not even the most recent example of this is suing abc news for defamation. that was so surprising to many people, abc and its parent company decided to settle what many lawyers felt was a very weak defamation suit to settle for $50 million plus $1 million in damages. he is coming out of the gate, threatening the press and the media needs to continue to do what is always done, which is be accurate and be fair. i don't think anyone is doing anything unfair as long as we are telling the truth. we also need to be aware that we are coming into an

environment where donald trump has shown he is hostile to the press. we can talk about this. there may be thoughts on this but the federal shield law which has been languishing in congress, which would be very helpful for the press, is one potential solution. >> your thoughts? >> i think that it is important to take a step back to try to think about what the role of the press is, when it comes to a circumstance that democracy is under threat. i can tell you about this. honestly, i have been struggling with this. the united states is not in a situation where journalists are jailed for doing our jobs, as is true in many other countries. there is not -- it is very hard to get the information out. the problem that we have in the

united states principally and the thing that is enabling democratic backsliding is an intense amount of polarization around the media. it is the fact that a large chunk of people, of citizens either don't believe that things that we say or are paying attention to frankly unreliable or partisan media outlets that are designed to tell them exactly what it is that they want to hear. until we figure out the strategy for the way that trump exploits that, the trust deficit that the media has, treating ourselves like we are being persecuted in the traditional way, which may very well happen in this administration, trump is certainly signaling that. right now, our barrier is breaking through the mistrust that is being exploited to create a situation where outright repression is possible. we are not sure how we can do that. i am not sure -- it is a

problem we definitely need to be thinking about. we need to be relevant as the countries sent to experience the worst crises of democracy in the history. >> let's talk about that deficit. you have reported about this in the past but a gallop poll from october shows that american trust and major news outlets like tv, newspapers and radio to actively report the news is at a near record low. just 31% of americans trust the media. that is a partisan divide. while 54% of democrats trust the media, only 12% of republicans do. that is a lot of people who trust the media they like, or which they are aligned and not the other media on the other side. two problems. they are real. the point is, you can't tell

people you can trust us. do we do what we do and fix this trust deficit? >> this is something you and i have been talking about the past eight years. remember at the time back in 2018, i actually ran a national survey and what we found was exactly what the latest polling showed, there are high levels of trust in the media among democrats and very low levels of trust among republicans. that continues to be true. one thing that we have seen is this mitigating factor here. there has been a real expansion of what republicans call independent media. nontraditional youtube shows, went on the joe rogan experience, influencers and podcast as a way to reach directly in an unfiltered way. instead of the 10 minute cable

news clip, he was getting to have the three hour unfiltered, unedited talk with the american people. i think we continue to continue with the separation and differentiation. for legacy media, which we are still a part, the question is to make really clear, show our work. we have talked about this over the years and i appreciate how much you have taken this seriously. show our work, show our sources, link to evidence. give all sides when all sides are based on fact. we have to be very careful. we don't want to give both sides when there is not a factual basis for what one side is talking about. we talked about this with regard to climate change where

there are not two sides of the issue. but, i think this will continue to be a challenge for the press and what we need to watch out for is ways in which the department of justice, or the fcc can be weaponized against the media and this is something that media owners need to watch out for and really need to be protecting us as journalists who are just simply doing our job as the eyes and the ears of the public. >> what we are talking about is going back to core journalism. we bear witness and we hold power to account and you do that by showing your work, by linking to your sources, by demonstrating the evidence that you got and by reporting fairly and broadly on people. some of that -- i was talking to maria from the philippines yesterday and we have seen that sometimes when you do exactly those things, you might build back the trust but you are still under threat. tell me how serious you think that is. you both made the point that we

are constitutionally protected as journalists but there are constant threats out there about going after journalists and journalism. >> i think that the danger is very real to the free press and the united states. it is not the same as in a country like hungary or turkey which is much further down the democratic backsliding road. india is another great example. but, it is real and the reason it is real is because the first amendment is ultimately words on paper. if we have learned anything about law and norms in american society, it is that they are what the people in charge interpret them to be. they are checked by other people in charge but ultimately, we have this series of institutions and institutions are made up of people. if the supreme court decides to revisit this on freedom of the press, i have seen some speculation that that is part of why it settles the suit

about calling trump on air. they wanted to avoid reopening pandora's box of the supreme court jurisdictions which then the court could use to revise down detections for journalists under the first amendment. not to mention, all of the different ways in which we try to end around the first amendment now. there is a little bit of a if you do, if you don't. maybe the supreme court slashes american freedoms of the press. if you settle the lawsuit, you create a precedence that the president can sue people. or, the incoming president can sue people into oblivion for what is at least a defensible interpretation of what the ruling was in that case. it is very dangerous situation. >> and it continues to be an open question about how it is going to go. great to see you and there is a lot