f0 okay that's going to do it for me today but we're already working for a great show tomorrow night. we'll keep digging into all the fall out at capitol hill after all the casts we saw this week. congressman jim himes will be stopping by to talk about all of it. that's coming up tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern. for now, stay right where you are because there's much more news coming up on msnbc. on this new hour of ayman, republicans will soon control government yet the party is fighting into how much it's allowed to hate trump, if not forever. >> matt gaetz wants a job after his report of misdeeds are set

to be damming. and reported to be dropping any moment. my conversation with an officer who is on the ground inside gaza. i'm ayman, let's do it. he's been hell bent on revenge. brett stevens recently published a piece about those republicans titled done with never trump. never trumpers are republicans who vow to oppose trump at every turn to protect democracy and the true conservative values of their republican party. one of the most prominent voices congresswoman liz cheney who endorsed kamala harris. stevens argues that it's time for her to give up the resistance and give trump a chance. as a never trumper, he admitted

trump is dangerous but says the movement overreacted especially about january 6th. he said democracy means letting ordinary people not elites decide how important january 6th is. and apparently most don't see it as a big deal. let's just stop here for a second. the problem with january 6th is not solely the attack on the capital but trump's claims of a stolen election in the lead up of the attack. i guess him telling rioters to fight like hell didn't help either. what he normalized then and what he continues to normalize now is the right for he and his party to declare any and every election they lose as rigged. just because they do not have the courage to pay a politician's debt. which in this country means saying you lose when you lose.

i think it's fair to say calling january 6th an overreaction ignoring the green light that donald trump and his enablers gave to this force. especially now that he and those very enables returned to power. and adds that there's a chance that trump changed. trump hasn't become more disciplined or statesman like. if anything he's doubling down. which brings us to revenge tour that trump has promised and seems to have already kicked off. in just the past few weeks, abc settled a lawsuit with trump for $15 million which many believe will embolden trump to sue more outlets when they challenge him. trump suing a local iowa newspaper over polling results that he didn't like. in a response to never trumpers

like liz cheney, trump wants the fbi to quote look into her. if this is what trump will do before he returns to the white house, what does next month áepb look like. we have elections for speakers, the election certification, the inauguration and the senate confirmation hearings for trump's cabinet. something stevens wrote about. he wants never trumpers to give trump a chance. he said quit worrying about democracy falling apart. trump wants kash patel to run the fbi the same man who said this to steve bannon. >> we're going come after the people in the media who lied about american citizen, who helped joe biden rig presidential elections. >> words that must be music to a want to be dictator's ears. we should just overlook that. especially when we know trump

embraces aauthoritarian rulers. trump mocks our own democracy all the time. like not being able to run for a third term until republicans do something. he also wants to take away birthright citizenship something that is in the institution. constitution. he's about to be the leader of the free world again after four years of researching how to pull off what he couldn't do the first time. there's some democrats already making the case for be friending maga like pennsylvania senator john federman today. >> i've been warning people. like you have to chill out. the constant you know, freak out. it's not helpful. so, you know, pack a lunch. pace yourself. because, he hasn't even taken office yet. >> you met with kash patel i

believe? >> yesterday, yes. >> he's talking about going after trump's enemies. >> and we've had conversations but we had all of these, all of these interviews were all off the record. and those things. so i'm not going to go into detail. but he absolutely, that's, that's never going to happen. >> look, democracy's don't just collapse suddenly overnight. they erode slowly with the help of polite excuses and shrugs and giving like we saw with federman good faith arguments. and joining me now is msnbc political analyst basil

michaels and a never trumper, joe. proud and as you told our own team. what is that? what do you make of brett stevens a fellow colleague of yours. do you still see trump as a threat to democracy. >> look, i thought it was a stupid piece but i didn't think it was a sincere piece. this is really easy. you either believe donald trump is an existential threat to our democracy or you don't. clearly brett stevens doesn't. clearly by the way john fedderman doesn't. chill out? chill out? with everything trump is doing right now. you know ayman it just freaking me off and i like a lot of what fedderman has said about other issues but when someone tells me. a never trumper, someone tells me to chill out when as you

said at the top of this hour, that donald trump led a violent attempt to overthrow an american election. i will never chill out as long as that's the case. we normalize this guy, ayman, trump, and our own danger. he's told us he wants to be an authoritarian. he's told us he will imprison his political enemies. he's putting people in charge of our security and law enforcement apparatus to go after his enemies. there's no fing way i'm chilling out in the face of that, come on. >> and he did it all based on a big lie. so brett stevens wants to give him an excuse for that lie, based on that op-ed. basil, let's talk.

do you think these republicans are in a rock and a hard place not knowing where they lie within the republican party that drive people like brett stevens even though senator fetterman is speaking for him. >> it's plain and simple. you have to stand up. that op-ed really offends me because if you're black in this country and the elected

president and vice president said that they were eating pets. what's the catalyst of this change. i don't see it. i don't think anybody else really sees it. so a comment like that insents me because if you don't stand up for this about normalizing it is really important. if you're not going to stand up against normalizing this kind of rhetoric and behavior. what do you actually stand for? i always talk about january 6th because i was there, at the million man march in 1995. and if any one of us jumped over the fence and stormed the capital, you wouldn't be seeing us today. frankly, and if i remember correctly. we even cleaned up after ourselves. trying to say that was an overreaction it's because in every city, in every part of this country no matter where you are, rural, urban, you are to this country. if somebody that looked like me did something like that to a

government building, you wouldn't be hearing from us. so the fact that, you know, we could see these images of what happened on january 6th, we can have these arrests and convictions of so many people that violated the law on that day. trump saying he's going to pardon them. and for somebody of note to say, it was just, we were just over reacting. i think it just really misunderstanding how at least half of this country actually feels right now. and if there is going to be resistance 2.0 as there's a trump 2.0, maybe it looks a little different than resistance than the first one. but it's still has to happen. it still has to take place. because the stakes are that high. >> the stakes are that high, joe. and they are now more p inpointed. they're more deliberate. they're more specific. you have trump wanting to

prosecute liz cheney. trump has been going after many that are not with his maga movement. he's been threatening panama saying if they don't go along with him, america will retake the panama canal. not so vailed threat against a sovereign nation in our hemisphere. do you think more never trumpers, more countries around the world are going the face these threats from trump? >> ayman, and you know this, you and i talked about this before. there's been such a failure of imagination with trump. like we haven't imagined he would do the horrible things that he said he would do. imagine by the way if we were sitting right now here right now, and kamala harris had won. donald trump still right now today would be claiming this election was stolen. trump wouldn't have conceded this. again, you either believe he's a threat or you don't.

why am i a never trumper? this is not a lucrative position to be in. the party will never have me back. the party will never have liz cheney back. we're saying this because we believe it. and basil was right and you're right, donald trump is more specific on the authoritarian stuff he plans to do. using military to go after people on our streets. you have to stand up against this. >> and of course, basil i was going to say really quickly it's not surprised that brett stevens has changed his tune. i'm going to read this back in 2021, he was singing a different tune. he wrote in his op-ed. the republican party is not walking to the moral. please stick around. we have a lot more to discuss.

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it seems i may not have had enough support in the united states senate. maybe i'll just run for marco rubio's vacant seat and join some of those folks. another day, another possible job prospect for disgraced matt gaetz. with laura trump saying no thanks to a possible appointment. it was in that same speech today with day four of turning point american fest that gaetz talked about running for governor to go after his colleagues. the release of his long awaited

report expected to drop any minute, but we're told it will be tomorrow. drug use among other allegations all of which gaetz has denied. no matter what, matt gaetz will forever be one of trump's fails. and with support of thune and musk and trump almost shutting our government down this weekend, how much further can the magaverse be tested. joe and basil back with me. i want you to talk about gaetz future and we'll get your thoughts on the other side, listen. >> friend of mine who i haven't seen in a little while matt gaetz is here. matt. he's around here some place. he's got a big career set up. >> a big career set up. joe. >> i shouldn't laugh.

i'm sorry guys. look, let's make, again let's make something really, really clear. the real election of donald trump ended a candidate's personal character ever mattering again. personal character no longer matters. it doesn't matter what matt gaetz did. it doesn't matter how old the girl was he did it with. donald trump just got reelected personal character of a candidate is dead when it comes to republican voters. so matt gaetz, ayman probably has a really, really bright future in that report coming out tomorrow will probably only enhance his future in maga. >> it's a sad, i think you're spot on. i hate to say that you're right because i think that's just a sad point for the candidates that we put forth in this country. basil when you look at laura trump being out of the race, maybe gaetz will when that

report gets out, get a boost, get a public boost amongst republican republicans. >> those guardrails, that sort of self-discipline that we would have to say no, i probably shouldn't run for that position based on what's in my background are gone. one of the big challenges for our democracy is the republican party today cannot self-police. it doesn't have that instinct in it to say, you know what, we should not be pushing this person out there. we should not be elevating him and giving him a platform. especially since there's a report about to come out and we think there's some pretty heinous stuff in there. that ability to sort of self- police is part of the guardrails that we've been talking about all this time. that have fallen, fallen by the

waist side. as i said this is trump .0, i think democrats need to be able to go and still fight for a lot of the people that voted for donald trump. they still need somebody to champion. obviously not the. there's still people that democrats need to fight for. they have to continue calling out the fact that you have a leader of a nation who's about to be sworn in in a month, who is elevating people like matt gaetz and saying you know what he's all right to represent you and your family and your kids. even what's potentially in that report. it's just shocking. >> it's shocking, joe. and gaetz like i said seems to want to fight back. he's threaten that after the house ethics committee threatened to release his report he threw another idea that taking his seat in

congress, filing a motion to expose congress members who used public funds for sexual misconduct settlements. it speaks to the depravity of the republican party and what they have sunk to. >> donald trump is humanly incapable of shame. and every republican has learned from trump. and what they've learned ayman is never apologize, never acknowledge wrong doing. lie, lie, lie. fight back, fight back, never look weak. and that's what matt gaetz is doing. it's worse than what basil said. no longer do republicans no longer self-police, it's worse than that. republican voters want these kinds of candidates. most of trump's voters loved the fact that he is a horrible human being. i expect matt gaetz the voters to say the same thing about

him. they want this. >> and he certainly now is projectings himself as a victim of republicans who don't like him, who don't like the maga, that he's a loyalist and can get things done. my question to you basil about this specifically is, how is it that the voters, the republicans, the people in this country who kind of go along with this are so siloed that even when the details of the report come out tomorrow, they can just either be dismissed, ignored or somehow recast in a positive light that matt gaetz is the victim cast by maga republicans. >> i had about four hours to kill and what did i do with those four hours, i got a tattoo. so i was talking to the tattoo artist and asked him where he got his news. this was back in 2017, he said you tube. because he likes the people he

liked and that really is a message for where we are today. this is not about having a really healthy debate and making really good informed choices and saying you know what i think this person, you know actually is standing up for the ideals that i think this country embraces and symbolizes. this is about people who are so in their silo, that it is incredibly difficult for us to go get them out of that silo. you know. the algorithm is riddling. it's almost impossible to intersect. and that's, when you look at that and when you sort of embrace that, you understand that you can become part of something, something that a lot of us honestly don't understand. but it's, you become part of something that is not just about idealizing donald trump but all of the people he's tapped to say he's one of us. >> i want to say kudos for you to trusting that guy to give you a tattoo after he told you

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bipartisanship may be rare these days, but after the last election cycle. out of moms successfully 200 were in local offices. served as a reminder of how urgent it is after what is believed to be a 15-year-old girl opened fire and killed a

17-year-old and a teacher. >> truth is today is a sade sad sad day. specifically in one of the places that's most sacred. to me as someone who loves education, and to someone who has children that are in schools. >> i'm joined now by angela farasabala. it's great to have you on the show. why do you think gun safety has such an impact on local racists in november and if we are seeing, if we are seeing such successful races, won by anti gun advocates why are we not yet seeing that translate into legislation. >> sure, well thank you for having me. i first and foremost would say that this is an important issue because this is impacting everyone across the country and every single corner is a crisis. folks are really tired as you

heard in that press conference, having to kind of contend with this that should not be something we can contend. this is not inevitability. and leading cause for kids in this country. and it doesn't take much to motivate folks on this issue because it is impacting our communities. i want to just say something because you mentioned, something like anti gun or,s that not. moms in action we are literally every town. we represent every corner of this country. we have our chapters of moms of action and students of action in almost every single state. we have gun owners and nongun owners alike. this really is about safety in the community. gun safety legislation that will save lives. folks are tired of communities being devastated by this violence and they know there's solutions we can be implementing to change this.

i would also say that i got the distinct honor and pleasure to spend time with the candidates running for office. it's clear no matter what their background is that nobody thinks that the fact that guns are the number one killer of kids is acceptable and it doesn't matter whether it's blue states, red states or purple states. people want to see solutions. >> i am happy you made that clarification. that was a wrong wording by me. how do you say local races, statewide races. >> the truth is, because this is a public safety, it's going to take every community member to do their part to end gun violence in this country. we have actually seen this prioritized at the federal level through the bipartisan safer community act. which broke a 30 year law jam.

but you know, we know that it's a really health crisis because it's unbelievable that this is a health crisis in this country. that we need everyone, all hands on deck to solve this crisis. we think about the local level, we can see school boards thinking about how to come together with city councils. we're also thinking about reckless gun agency players being held accountable and what that looks like. there is a place for everyone in this fight in every single level of government. >> there are probably some who are watching this i think understandably so that action on guns won't happen if change doesn't come after massacres like sandy hook, and uvalde. do you see the very way to

change that is including gun owners support. >> oh my goodness. there's been an incredible. that's right first of all. there's been an incredible amount of progress. moms in action has been around for 13 years. we have seen in that time so much has changed. this used to be a third rail of politics now we have folks that are not only running on this issue but winning on this issue. it doesn't matter if it's a blue state, purple state, red state. again i had the pleasure of traveling all across the country and speaking to volunteers and community members. folks are really tired of having to contend with keeping their families safe. whether or not dropping the kids to school will be the last time they see them. or sending your kids off to play outside in the playground or just going to a service at your church or synagogue or wherever that may be. folks are really tired of having to contend with this. what we are doing is making sure we're going to continue through this next year, the coming years to recruit our volunteers to run for office as

we have done. as you said early in the show, this is a winning issue. because people want folks to stand up and have the courage to do everything it takes to keep their community safe. not just to survive but to thrive. that's really important. the progress in states where we have gun scents seniority is really important. to see how much more progress we're going to see in those places. we've had continued success and we're going to continue to do so. >> next the director of one of the last functioning hospitals in northern gaza pleads with the world to intervene. is anyone listening. we will speak to someone who's on the ground. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates) and then i wake up. is limu with you in all your dreams? oh, yeah. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪

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what you're looking at here are windows inside a hospital

in gaza. they're covered with sandbags for the fear of snipers. according to the doctors director this is the only hospital providing any humanitarian services in the north and yet this is the scene of devastation that they're facing each and every day. over the past 24 hours, health officials have reported intense israeli attacks on the hospital including on the icu maternity ward and the neonatal unit. this video from tuesday is one of the latest our team was able to verify. along with the entirety of northern gaza have been under total siege for 30 days now. the situation is still dire for everyone along the besiege strip. here are scenes from an after math from a house earlier today. this is in central gaza. among the 11 people killed were dr. naser who used to work at the hospital, his wife and

professor tahiti. the homeowner was also killed along with his wife and kids. for more than 400 days these scenes have become the norm. whole families are being killed. hospitals, schools that are being targeted barely functioning, all of them destroyed, no cease-fire or end in sight. earlier i spoke with luis water ridge about these attacks and more. >> thank you so much for joining us this evening. we've seen these reports about the intense israeli attacks this weekend in north gaza. we know that you're in central gaza. but what have you heard. what can you tell us about the attacks on this hospital as of this hour? >> it's been nearly 80 days that the north part of the gaza strip has been under this very

strict siege and continue military operations. what we're hearing the last 24 hours it just keeps intensifying. every single day we hear reports from medical staff who are still there trying to provide whatever care and treatment they can to people who were trapped in these areas. who were sheltering in this area. we have very limited access. we continue to have repeated denial of the united nations to this area. it's just unimaginable. it really is unimaginable the suffering and pain people are being put through in these areas and the continued, really, really intense operations around the hospital and around the residential areas where people are just trying to find some kind of safety. >> we know these attacks have continued all throughout the besiege gaza strip. at least 36 people were killed in an israeli strike on the refugee camp where you are now located. just in the past 24 hours, you've had 32 palestinians that have been killed throughout the strip according to the health

ministry there. how often are you seeing strikes, is there any warning from israeli forces to you and your team when they do actually carry out attacks or not? >> >> as i'm speaking to you now there are strikes going on all around me. i hear there's been reports of a strike. this is supposed to be the humanitarian zone. this is supposed to be a designated safe area for families to shelter. it's been hit and struck once again in the last half hour o so. there's been heavy and severe bombings. it shakes the entire building. it shakes the floor. it's been relentless. the last couple of nights it's been all through the night. i saw my colleagues and friends today. people are exhausted. there's no warning, it's fire, it's drones, strikes. it is just relentless and it's really, it just has such a psychological effect on people. you can't sleep. you can't plan anything. you can't plan movement.

if you try to get some flour or food or anything like this you could be caught out in any kind of attack or strike. this has been going on 14 months. this isn't a new situation. it's just relentless. >> let me ask you more about the north for a moment because the north has said that it has been largely blocked from getting aid into northern gaza for the last two months since the area first came under israeli's total siege. there are 75,000 people who are still in the north. just tell us what is actually stopping the aid from getting through and more importantly, what are you hearing about how those 75,000 people there are literally surviving day in and day out? >> from what we hear and what we see any where in this besiege area it's flattened. it's not habitable anymore.

we know areas around are resembling this. it's unrecognizable. and we continue to be denied access. when i say that, in the wfp, 97% of their requests have been denied. 97%. so we continue to do what we can. >> what reason is the israeli military give you when they're denying you access to these areas? >> sometimes no reason. sometimes military operations. it depends. it really depends on the mission. it depends on the day. sometimes there's no information. so it's very difficult for us to plan or to know why or which areas we've had some missions where certain areas we're not allowed to go but those areas will be where the hospitals are or the people are. sometimes we're denied even taking food. medical evacuations but they weren't allowed to take medical supplies with them. they weren't allowed to take food with them.

they weren't allowed to take water with them. it's inhumane. it's absolutely inhumane. >> if the 75,000 people wanted to leave, wanted to evacuate, is there a way to get out of gaza where it's safer. we know no place in gaza is safe, but relatively in the north would they be given passage way to get to the north? >> i've spoken to a lot of families in gaza city over the last few weeks who have just fled this besieged north area. what is noticeable actually is that these family is a female. i asked them, you know where are your relatives? where are your family, tell me what's happened. they told me the male relatives, the husbands, the brothers, the sons, this were detained or shot. that's the information they

have. there's no safety. a woman told me that her male relatives were pushing her, and they were shot. another family had to continue pushing her out of the area. people hear about this. people know about these experiences. people talk to each other. there's no safety. where do they want people to move when there's no safety. families are just trying to stay together and stay alive. there's no reason for them to move and be forcibly displaced for the 14th, 15th, 16th time to another area just to die there. they don't want to do that. they want to stay where they are. they want to stay with their families and they just want to try and stay alive. >> we are more than 400 days into what leading human rights organizations are now calling a genocide. what is your message to the international community of either health officials, human rights activists, the politicians, the diplomats. that continue to see these horrific scenes. continue to see these

atrocities and completely unable to reign in or end this war as numbers continue to dwindle. >> it's unforgivable. i was here from day one. it was unforgivable then and it's unforgivable now. at the start there was a child's body burning without his head. every day, how is this happening? it's been 14 months. it's absolutely unforgivable that nothing is being done. the journalists on the ground are risking life and limb on a daily basis to show what is happening. we know what's happening. it's not okay, it's not okay this inaction continues. it has to stop. there has to be a cease-fire.

it's the only hope now. >> we continue to keep the spotlight on what is happening in gaza. we thank you for your team and everything you're doing. thank you for joining us this evening and give us a glimpse of what is happening. thank you, please stay safe. >> thank you. we'll be right back after a quick break. , 1 gram sugar and a protein blend to feed muscles up to 7 hours. ♪♪ liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i saved hundreds. with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. oh! right in the temporal lobe! beat it, punks! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪

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in 2024 a show was a destination for story tellers to highlight some of the world's most pressing issues. now many of them are being recognized on the global stage and maybe on the way to receiving some very prestigious awards. let's take a look at some of

those conversations. >> it took to take the country for a solution and also waiting and having to conduct another where afghanistan could not be the solution. >> inside their houses, that according to sources in the majority of these households there was no military action taking place. so they're bomb, they're trying to assassinate them. but killing entire families that in the process and doing so systematically for low ranking military jihad. >> if this continues to happen day after day and the world doesn't see us as a human being but just as numbers, as breaking news. that is just, that just goes away when there's another piece of breaking news. >> we are not numbers. and these in my books shows everybody in the world that these people existed. >> one of the things the documentary touches on is that the even in the face of all of hate, that transpeople have found joy and authenticity in

ourselves. >> you think this film might help with holding netanyahu accountable? >> i hope this film helps with holding netanyahu accountable. he should be held to account. i think for a long time he's wrapped himself in the mantle of state hood. saying adds long as there's a war is going on you dare not criticize me. and i think, people need to separate between the man who's deeply corrupt and the state of israel. >> those were just some of the cultural highlights and conversations we've had on this show over the past year. we thank you for making time for us and happy holidays to you and all of your loved ones. i'll see you next year for more ayman each saturday and sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. in the meantime you can find us on blue sky. scan the qr code to listen to it on the go wherever you get

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