so we got a bombshell today during what's one of the quietest weeks in washington all year. the house ethics commit release the final report on matt gaetz, the now former republican congressman a breakout maga star who trump wanted as attorney general. it covers some things we knew before. we knew from multiple reports that he had paid women for sex send one of those women was alleged to have been under age and we knew gaetz didn't face federal charges for the conduct. but the findings in this 42 page report were still eye- popping and too vivid in a level of detail. they assert that gaetz did likely break the law. they concluded the, quote, there was substantial evidence that gaetz violated house rules, state and federal laws, and other standards of conduct, prostitution, stick

statutory rape, illegal drug use, the provision of special favors and privileges and obstruction of congress. that's just part of the report. the gritty details picked up the reporting over the years about his creepy conduct. it also says, quote, from 2017 to 2020, he made tens of thousands of dollars in payments to women that the committee -- sexual activity and/or drug use. according to the investigators, he paid 12 women almost $100,000 during that timeframe. among those women was victim a, a minor who at the time of her encounter with gaetz in 2017, had just completed her junior year of high school. let that soak in for a minute. in her testimony, she recalled receiving $400 in cash from gaetz which she understood to be payment for sex. while gaetz repeatedly denied engaging in sexual activity with a minor the report notes

he refused to answer specific questions relating to his interaction with victim a. the committee was not ambiguous about what happened. they found that gaetz violated florida state law and statutory rape into detail the many troubling ways that gaetz prayed on these women and pressured them into sex. is the committee rates, he took advantage of the economic vulnerability of young women to lower them into sexual activity for which they received an average of a few hundred dollars after each encounter. also seeing, quote, at least one woman felt the use of drugs at the parties and events they attended may have impaired their ability to really know what was going on are fully consent. one woman said, quote, he would make me feel bad about not having sex with him and another said the relationship changed over time and came to feel like a task. another said, when i look at certain moments, i feel violated. there is a lot of news in this

report. a lot of disturbing details that here is the thing, it just confirms with more excruciating details what we have long suspected. given the abundance of reporting, we've seen over the years, thanks to lots of great reporting. and yet through all of this the last few years, all the reporting and details, gaetz is only become more of a fixture in the maga world somehow. donald trump nominated him to be the top law-enforcement official in the country. the most prominent billionaire elon musk endorsed gaetz for attorney general's, quote, our hammer of justice. called the accusations against him worth less than nothing. even after his resignation from congress, he was still rewarded with a platform on the right wing cable news network away and and yesterday, gaetz spoke at an event where he mused about running for marco rubio's open senate seat.

that's in the future. just after he spoke on that stage, donald trump spoke about him and pretty glowing terms. >> a friend of mine who i haven't seen in a little while, matt gaetz, where is he, he's around here someplace. matt gaetz who has a big career set up. >> that guy just described in that report, that is trump calling him a friend of mine saying he has a big career set up. here's maga mouthpiece steve bannon this morning. >> take the ethics report and shove it up your ass. that's what i think. gaetz must return like trump returned. don't back down. double down. >> double down. i don't know literally what he means in this context which is disturbing. in normal times, here is the thing. lesser scandals were career

enders. driving them out of public life with a cloud of shame. they would have to return donations and repudiated by members of their party. just google mark foley. there has been no condemnation of any note from republicans so trump's party lives by what seems to be a different standard. a lower one. it is clear, at least for now, the somehow matt gaetz still represents the future of that party. joining his democratic congresswomen jasmine crockett and back from her hosting duties is our friend katie phang agreed to stick around and the host of the katie phang show on msnbc and a long time trial attorney and prosecutor in the state of florida. thank you both for being here with me on christmas eve eve and hanukkah eve eve as well. a lot of what's in the report isn't a surprise. the promise of what he did. there are new details, galling

details, disturbing details and many has the receipts which i think is report and -- important. my question is, you know the florida legal system better than almost anyone, what do you think maybe jumping out to the state prosecutor and what is next you are watching for here? >> the concern i have is the statute of limitations that would apply for any crime. my frustration and the genesis of it is, how much information she was happening behind the scenes between the department of justice and the state of florida. joel greenberg, the known associative matt gaetz who is serving 11 years in prison for his own offenses, joel greenberg provided cooperation as part of his plea agreement to law enforcement. i would hazard to say and i want to manage people's expectations that, if there was evidence that was provided by joel greenberg that was corroborated in some way

because there is concern about his credibility, one person probably received it. i agree there's nothing new but i keep emphasizing the size of this report and i keep showing this on the air. i want people to understand it's not just 42 pages but there's actual documentation and evidence that was considered by this ethics committee, and i think law enforcement, i don't know if they were asleep at the switch. i think there was enough probable cause for a number of state felonies that were violated by matt gaetz, and i am stunned there isn't more proactivity done by law enforcement. i would footnote that even though the department justice did not find the federal trafficking offenses were committed by matt gaetz when he flew to the bahamas into this other stuff by flying young girls over to see him, allegedly, in the state of new york, i have a concern the department of justice did not cooperate with the house ethics committee when they were conducting this investigation and did not provide some of the

evidence it could've done so. i understand internal policies for doj is not to turn over evidence when they don't charge somebody with a crime, but a folsom investigation should've been and hopefully was done, but when you look at all of this, you are left with more than a sour taste in your mouth. >> this is a horrifying report to read. i don't know how else to describe it. this is why asked the question because when you hear the conclusion that he did violate laws, it feels like, what's going to happen next? talking to a lawyer like yourself it helps with expectations. let me ask you congresswoman, part of the issue is he also delayed this process by not participating, of course, and declining to even respond to the subpoena. i want to ask if you share katie's frustration with the department of justice and other authorities who did not act or information share

when they could and democrats could be back in control in two years. is this a case where you think there could be something done of democrats regained control. >> the frustration, you know, but one of the things it typically happens when you talk about statutory rape is there is a longer statutory limitations. when you talk about statutory, you are talking about children and most state legislatures for children an opportunity to grow up and really then talk about it, especially since a lot of times perpetrators are people close to them. i imagine the florida still has time. i don't know as it relates to the doj but trump's doj is coming in, the same one he wanted matt gaetz to reign over. definitely not optimistic that anything will happen on the federal level, but i think it's

a matter in which the public should be enlightened on regardless as to whether or not he was in congress or not, and there's a lot of people talking about setting a terrible precedent but when you decide something rises to the level of statutory rape because i think that's the most gracious thing they have alleged, then i think it's important especially when you have someone out there who could still get another appointment to this administration, that does not require the consent of the senate for someone who's out there saying they will run for u.s. senate. whether the general public in florida decides to elect them, at least we know they have the information and they're okay with a sexual abuser ascending to the presidency. who knows. i agree with what you said. it seems there is no loafer maga. they will get offended if you are a person of color are talking about race in any way

and at that point, you are somehow race baiting or whatever the case may be, or they can say locked up hillary clinton because they are talking about a server she used and we know the conversations about trump and the server they're using as it relates to his transition back into power. it's amazing they seemingly always want to make up laws to lock up anyone that does not see the world through the orange flavored glasses that they do. i think america really needs to have a reckoning and decide, are we going to be a country that is okay with the lack of morality, okay with the lack of family values, okay with the lawlessness, or are we not? there is no middle ground. we either are or not. >> orange flavored glasses. you always, the best ringers. i like that. let me ask you, katie because you are a lawyer and a politically savvy person. he floated he may run for marco rubio c. i don't know if that's a real thing.

is there anything in florida law that prevents someone like him from becoming the next senator from florida? i don't think there is but i wanted to ask the question. >> he is not a convicted felon. he is able to run for office. he being matt gaetz. speaking on behalf of sane floridians, we don't want him. there's no such thing as a shame spiral for matt gaetz because there's nowhere left for him to go. i appreciate representative jasmine crockett's point about the gravity of the offenses. they run from drug offenses and its not just marijuana but cocaine and ecstasy being alleged but you have this statutory rape elephants which when you look at the facts that are set forth in the ethics committee report, it's profoundly revolting to think that matt gaetz wants to say he did not know that victim a as

she is identified was 17 years old when he had sex with her but oh, no, when she was not 17 anymore he had sex with her and again and he paid her. the problem that peels away from this is, whatever office he tries to hold in whatever capacity, he was accused of and it's been established through this report, that he exploited imbalance of power. i talked about that because it bothers me that these women feared retaliation. they also feared there was something that would happen to them and they had to go and be retraumatized and that is something that on a decency consideration, that should not be reflective in a politician we have regardless of party. >> when just finished her junior year in high school. i can't get that out of mine. jasmine crockett, katie phang, thank you for joining me. we have to sneak in a quick break. quick break.

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one person, a member of congress wanted me to stop an ethics complaint because he slept with a 17-year-old. a complaint the started before i became speaker, and that's illegal and i won't get in the

middle. did he do it or not? i don't know. there's other people in jail because of it. he wanted me to influence it. >> that was kevin mccarthy and that clip is quite relevant nowadays. that was in the spring about why he thinks he was kicked out of his job as speaker of the house. even the release of the ethics report today, this feels like a bizarre moment of some kind. mccarthy's exit paved the way for mike johnson who finds himself on pretty shaky ground, ahead of another vote for speaker in 11 days. brendan buck, senior adviser to john boehner and amy carter -- kearney is a correspondent for the "new york times" who five known a long time. they both join me now. i want to get into the house speaker race because i'm interested in it and it is soon. matt gaetz floated the idea of running for marco rubio's seat.

could this happen? you are not the spokesperson for the republican party. >> i don't know that you can rule out that he won't be reelected. it's been hanging out there for a long time and he got reelected in his district and it was not even close. republicans in this era have embraced this idea that you're always the victim and there's always someone out to get you and it's easy to point the finger at somebody is. give him a couple of years and it would be shortsighted to assume his career is over with. it is insane to say. >> it is crazy to say. >> could it be as soon as marco rubio's seat if he gets consumed to secretary of state? >> i doubt he will be named the replacement. >> he could run. >> he would have to challenge the sitting person but i don't put it past him trying. >> he always said he would be florida governor.

it seems it would make him dead in the water but the release of the report gave details. the broad outlines as you just played, kevin mccarthy gave it last spring, and he was still nominated to be attorney general and the trump administration. i mean, we have known the broad strokes of the allegations against him. just because the doj didn't bring charges doesn't mean he was exonerated. it means they didn't think they could win the case. it's not good. it's not like he will rise quickly now but i wouldn't count him out. >> he could run in a couple of years which is crazy. the house speaker race. last week was not mike johnson's best week of his life, i assume. i talked to leader jeffries about this and he thinks he is in trouble and others are saying that privately. what do you think? >> he's probably not going to

get it on the first round as we saw with kevin mccarthy. in some ways it's of his own making. he botched the end. his ideas i want to do noncontroversial, three-month funding bill. for whatever reason he felt he had to open the store and add a bunch of things. the problem for mike johnson will be the same for the next speaker, it's not about the speaker. he has members who refuse to accept anything that is achievable. if it's achievable, they won't accept it. he said it himself, good luck to whoever can get to the votes because it's not about the speaker but about the members. it sounds like there's enough who if not kick him out get something for it just like they did for kevin mccarthy. >> this is always the problem. there are republican members who control his fate who do not vote for spending bills,

therefore, he has to go to democrats to pass anything. therefore, he has to make compromises which makes it worse than you end up with a bill that ends up with an -- to everyone in his party. it's the same thing kevin mccarthy did having to appease the hard right and having to go to democrats to get votes for must pass legislation. it's an impossible position for any speaker. i talked to johnson's people earlier, and the best version of his position that they can come up with this only one republican member has said i will not vote for mike johnson. i will not call his name during the speaker vote and that's from kentucky. he can't lose more than two, thank. the math is bad for him and there's other ones still waffling. there taking -- despite everything, only one member is on the record saying i'm not voting for johnson. >> there should be an

alternative. >> they put kevin mccarthy through all kinds of pain. >> they can put them through pain. >> there weren't that many they said they would vote against him and that was a surprise how big the number was. we saw this two years ago and it's the first time we've seen it in 100 years. >> i remember how many stories i wrote, once in a century floor flight two years ago. now we are like in a very normal floor fight for speaker. is seems the idea he would get this on the first boat seems hard. how many can you go? another week long -- >> he doesn't have goodwill in the conference. he's relatively new. there were a bunch of kevin mccarthy people who were ready to have a fistfight with matt gaetz on the floor and there's not a lot of mike johnson people who are that passionate about him. they will have to make promises that will make governing again and it will continue the cycle. >> this will be come the new

year and hopefully you will both come back and talk about it. if people aren't paying attention to this fight, it will be front and center in 11 days post the holidays. thank you for coming. coming up. the president musk thing is getting under trump's skin. if and when that relationship also park, it will be messier than you might think. that is my bet and i will explain why i think that. i thi

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we still have over a month before trump is sworn in but the republican meltdown over funding the government last week at a lot of democrats asking a good question. who is in charge here? it seemed a lot like republicans are most focused on pleasing billionaire elon musk as he cheered for a government shutdown. that had many democrats calling him, i think you can take a guess. >> welcome to the elon musk presidency. >> donald trump and president musk blew up what was a bipartisan agreement. >> president musk . >> president musk. >> elon musk who everybody is calling president musk. >> if elon musk is displaying president, i don't know why trump doesn't hand him the oval office. >> it got to the point where trump spokeswoman had to put out a statement saying, no, really, trump is in charge.

she said as soon as trump released his official stance on the continuing resolution to fund the government, republicans on capitol hill echoed his point of view. trump is the leader the republican party. i never understand will stop in statements from people. there two problems there. trump call for an end to the debt ceiling in the bill and republicans did not agree. if you have to say you are in charge, you may not be wielding as much power as you think. it's not just democrats on the unelected musk and his attempts to dictate policy. >> we have a president, vice president, and a speaker and it feels as if elon musk is our prime minister. >> i mean, there's that. if there's one thing we know about donald trump is that he loves sharing the limelight, right? he loves it. so everyone has been waiting for this to get under his skin and it feels like the cracks

started to show a little last night. >> the new one is, trump has ceded the presidency to elon musk. no. no. that is not happening. we want to thank him, but no, he is not going to be president i can tell you. i am safe, you know why? he can't be. he wasn't born in this country. >> i am safe. he wasn't born in this country. there's lots of speculation of when this relationship might implode as has happened so many times over there with trump's generals and his best people it feels inevitable. it's not going to be the same as trump casting aside rex tillerson because elon musk is the richest man in the world. he owns a social media megaphone where he has over 200 million followers. we just saw the power he wields over the republican party. he has billions of dollars in

government contracts. we are relying on space x rocket's to get astronauts to space and back. it's not an easy relationship to entangle. this breakup could happen but if it does and it may take longer than we suspect, i think if it does, it will be very very messy. congas man jim hines is a reiki democrat on the house intelligence committee enjoins me next. ce committee enjoins me next.

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already calling elon musk as president. some republicans want him to be speaker of the house. once said he's basically prime minister. that's a lot of jobs for one guy. maybe elon musk loves the attention, but there are ways he could benefit financially from all the power he seems to be wielding over the president elect and the republican congress. joining me to talk about that is congressman jim himes is the ranking member the house intelligence committee. it's great to see you and thank you for joining me. i want to ask you, last week elon musk through the house into a tailspin, as we watched and as you watched being there. he has been called, he clearly has power over the republican caucus and he has the ear of the president elect and he has a lot of government contracts. how concerned are you about how he could use this proximity to

power and his influence to benefit himself financially? >> yeah, i mean very concerned. a guy of his wealth is going to have not just a certain amount of obeisance and admiration in the white house, chiefly by the president elect, and by the republican conference. they are conscious of the fact the president loves this guy and he spent 220 million or whatever, to help elect trump in their conscious he has the president's dear andy owns x so he could work light up a member of a group of members. a new carnival of crazy and what is already a pretty crazy conference. to your point of conflicts of interest, a guy of his wealth, he owned several companies and he has business abroad including in china, by the way. substantial interest in china. in the world when probity and prudence and character mattered in d.c., this is a guy who

would have to dispose of interests and disclose what they were before he started, i wouldn't call him a president exactly, but before he became a third house in the congress of the united states. >> we just gave him another job. i want to ask you give in your role as the ranking member the house intelligence committee and how closely you follow this issue, there's a piece in "the new york times" last week that talked about how musk and spacex, this is a reporting suggested, failed to comply with federal reporting protocols designed to protect state's secrets. spaced -- spacex workers who are concerned about musk handling sensitive information. does that concern you? is there more information you have about that or is that something you were closely watching as the ranking member of the house intel committee? >> it's a real concern. our launch capability and elon

musk is launching, i think, or cargo into space than the chinese are. or the russians. it's an immense operation. as you know, some of these are very confidential. a lot of our satellites we don't like to talk in their capabilities, and we do worry about the. he is impulsive and we saw him spread massive amount of information. you can love or hate the continuing resolution but he was saying they were 50,000 or $60,000 races for congress. that was crazy. $3 billion for an and avaya stadium for the general's, guess it was. not true. the combination of impulsive and willing to trade false information is a scary combination. not unfamiliar to those of us worry about classified information. trump when he was president the first time, he would expose classified information on what

was then twitter. alta pictures. you could see the intelligence people behind him passing out as trump disclosed classified information in public venues. >> this is interesting i think we all will be watching. to be specific, the report which anybody can read, according to people with knowledge of the company and some documents as well. let me ask you, it's been a busy day of reports from the house even though we are almost in the holiday season. there was the release of the report from the ethics investigation into matt gaetz confirming serious allegations of serious sexual misconduct. f10 talking about this throughout the show. i want to ask you what you make of the report and what your take away is of it at this point? >> yeah, by the time we get to the report, there's not a lot that's surprising about matt

gaetz. those of us who served with him, and i am a democrat but ask republicans, there was not a single defender of matt gaetz in the republican conference. people knew what the deal was with matt gaetz and what he had been up to. again, he didn't have much in the web defenders. i mean, what i would suggest is important as we contemplate a new president starting january 20, read the report and then contemplate the fact the president nominated him to be the attorney general of the united states. sit with that for a minute or two and think about what that means for the seriousness with which the republican party and president elect trump is taking the rather serious job of governing the most powerful country on the planet. >> a very important point and they still seem to be applauding him are not being

critical post report so that tells you a lot. thank you so much. have a happy holiday and appreciate you taking the time. trump has promised to do a lot of things on his first day in office, day that's rapidly approaching. i will talk to two who know more of the extent of accusative -- executive power.

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weeks until the inauguration. four weeks until he said he would pardon january 6 rioters and put tariffs on imported goods and dismantle the so- called deep state rollback protections for transgender students, and be a dictator. as the clock ticks closer to the day, i'm sure many of you are wondering, will he do all of those things? can he do of those things? the second question is where my next guests come in. bob bauer and goldsmith are lawyers send out with a newsletter called executive functions where they analyze the way trump is planning to cast aside norms. what if any legal guardrails stand in the way. the first piece highlights with a call trump's big plans to disrupt and reconceived the federal government. with his threats of political retribution. they write another round of investigations and prosecutions

of the prior administration will be a disaster for the already diminished reputation of the justice department for a political law enforcement. although it's possible that is trying was left of the department's reputation in this regard is the trump teams goal. they cut over his coming attempts to get federal agencies death by 1000 cuts writing a courtroom deregulatory strategy will be to attack the capabilities of the government agencies the administration does not like. the idea of undermining the department or agency by incapacitating it has never been tried on anything like the scale that trump 2.0 pretends. i know that sounds scary but knowledge is the anecdote to fear. in a newsletter like this, it's a great way to stay informed to the impending chaos which is now one month away. joining mayor the legal eagles behind this newsletter, bob bauer, the former white house counsel and jacquelyn smith is a professor at harvard law

school and former assistant attorney general during the bush administration. there is quite a contrast between the organization of your bookshelves but will leave that to viewers to observe. jack, i want to start with you. you cover a lot of ground but i want to start with the idea of trump's desire to incapacitate federal agencies. even those who have are hard to understand what it means and how he would do it. how would he do it? >> there are two ways he could change the administrative state and bureaucracy. when we as it comes in and a1, he implements or tries to implement new roles to change and reverse biden policies on immigration, the environment, artificial intelligence and the like. the incapacitation idea is the aim would be to destroy incapacitate the agencies from within through not hiring or scaring people to quit, to not funding the agencies, to attacking the agencies

reputations, and that's the more, that form of incapacitation which can disable an agency is something the law has a harder time regulating. >> that's important for people to understand. there are limits to law. this is part of what you are saying. the piece also talks about how trump could get the people he wants in positions of power including what i read as a warning that these appointments are not the only trick up his sleeve to get his pigs through. there's another way for trump to get loyalists into top executive branch offices without senate confirmation. the federal vacancies reform act. confirmation hearings are around the corner and we will be talking about them, which it people understand about how trump, not through the normal confirmation process, can get the people he wants in power into some of these positions?

>> yes, jack pointed out in his post that there is a complex statue, complex statute that lends itself to manipulations in which a president wants a vacancy is established in an office, can fill it down so- called active basis. that can last a long time, for two years, someone could be in a position that he confirmed official would be in but without senate confirmation for an extended period of time. trump has said in the past, he likes acting governments, that is to say government he appoints officials without having to run the gauntlet of senate confirmation process and the vacancies reform act in complex ways, can be devoted to that purpose. i should add there was discussion at the beginning or soon after his election, discussion of his being able to appoint the government on a recessed basis with the active

collusion, connivance a grievance of the conference -- congress. building an acting government from scratch. but, on a post by post basis, he can follow that route. >> i wanted to ask, you touch on the department of government, doge , i think people know what that's in reference to led by elon where -- musk. the efficiency, the influence and all the things, but you say that parts of it, quote, will raise a hornets nest of legal issues. what does that mean? what legal issues could that raised ? >> the primary aggression is whether the organization will be lawful. there's a law called the federal advisory committee act, and other complicated laws that bob and i will try to explain in accessible ways this is when the president it's a outside advice from private officials,

he has to establish an organization and conflict of interest rules and transparency rules. it's not clear how doge will comply with this law or whether they will try to circumvent it or claim it's unconstitutional. it's an issue from day one and a big issue. even if they get over that, it's not clear as many have pointed out, how they will exercise influence. they won't have coercive governmental authority. they can advise things that other can implement but the main question is whether this organization will be legal. >> that's a big one. i want to ask about your new post out today about residential conflicts of interest. you wrote among the worst of all worlds is when we might be facing. the president who declines a public salary and chooses to operate under the relaxed standards for personal profit or gain from private business interest.

i think it's a topic on a lot of people's minds. can you tell us what you are watching for the next couple of months? >> it's fairly clear, i think, that in the president elect has not put out his ethics policy. it's apparently in the works but it's clear the conflict of interest few will be different than the preceding administration, the biden administration, and very different from the one that was in place during the first trump government. the ethics policy that would govern the financial interests may, according to press reports, allow overseas business transactions that could benefit him, just not direct dealing with foreign governments, business deals directly with foreign governments. that already raises a host of questions and then you have a layer potential conflict of interest issues where people come into the government to provide advice like musk and

they have substantial business interest in the area they are being brought into advise on. here again, the view taken in this administration to be different than others, we will have to wait to see if the ethics policy prescribes. >> bob bauer, jack goldsmith, informing all of us. thank you for informing us. i have one more thing to tell you about before we hand things off to rachel. .

show before the holidays, and yesterday i was sitting there trying to think of something uplifting to say, and this interview popped up on my feed, and pretty quickly i realized i just couldn't do any better from what i was watching. it's from yesterday's "meet the press" and kristen welker was interviewing democratic senator rafael warnock and republican senator james langford together. they're colleagues from opposite sides of the aisle, but they both came to politics from baptist ministries, so they've got that in common. it's a fascinating conversation about faith and bipartisanship. i encourage you to watch the whole thing online if you have a chance. i just want to leave cruwith a piece of what senator warnock had to say. >> what i would encourage us to do especially in this season is to look toward one another rather than figure out how we can hurt one another. how we can pray with one another rather than prey on one another.

we approach this work with a degree of humility, with a recognition we don't know everything. there are things we can't see, quite frankly based we're siing in this room. we have to talk to one another, and in this christmas season i have to tell you my favorite christmas hymn is "oh, holy night." in there there is this line that saw his law is love and his gospel is peace. i would hope as lawmakers and citizens we would be guided by the law of love and we would see each other's humanity. >> again, i just can't do any better than that. he's not always the loudest in the room, senator warnock, but often one of the most taufl. that does it for me tonight. happy holidays, everyone, and everything you celebrate. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. >> hi, jen. it was fantastic you pulled