>> i personally think along with everything else that we have, ngtwo huge challenges that peop don't focus enough on is, one, a $36 trillion debt because when we go off the cliff it's going to be working americans that are hurt the most, and two, the fact that there's been a massive redistribution of income since the 1980s from working class and middle class americans to the richest 0.001%. until we take care of those two things we're going to continue

to have our social fabric tearing apart, and you talk about how this has been a long time coming. >> yeah, joe, it's been 50 years coming. the thing that happened in the 1970s -- two things happened at once, which is to say the rich corporate right, the republican elite, donor class, people like evil geniuses, had built this new counterestablishment starting with the eritage foundation and all the rest and they kept their uneye on that prize in a sense and for the party which is no taxes, anti-taxes, less regulation, we don't like unions, reagan, bust the unions, we're good. the democrats, meanwhile, the new s,democrats like gary hart were saying most of the new democrats, the stars in the '70s and into the '80s were saying,

yeah, the new deal is over. the whole new deal thing is over and by extension the democratic party's connection with working people and labor unions is over. pretty much. so pretty much you have the ydemocrats and republicans do the '80s and '90s and turn of the century become the same -- close to a uni party as they were being charged of economically, mean while, culturally, conservative republicans., so the white working class, now orthe nonwhite working class sa, hey, wait a minute, they are the same. >> right. >> in terms of how they treat my material gains and social safety nets and all the rest but we can't like the same stuff or same people but i'm with them. >> kurt, you're freezing but you're not buffering right now, rev.ow

i will go to you quickly. everybody complains about the trump tax incuts, weighted for e wealthiest of all americans, not for working americans, not for middle class americans, not for small business but the richest americans got the biggest benefit from it. the question is when democrats were in charge of the ways and means committee, you know, they could have fought on carried on interest, they could have fought on making sure that the top 0.001% didn't get even richer and they just didn't do it. >> no, they dropped the ball and at the same time dropped a large segment of the rovoting public that trump came along and appealed to, even though his policies was the opposite of that. and a lot of it was that i think that there was the cultural divide where they were playing one hiside, the democrats, and t realizing athe same people tha were suffering from this economic policy of taking care of the wealthy and dealing with

the carried interest and others. the people that were suffering there in appalachia were the same people that were suffering in south side or west side chicago. if we could bring those people together, that was a winning combination, but people felt they iowere not being heard, so therefore, they went for what they considered was rebellious against their being shut out and they were really being shut out by wthe same people that they felt were listening to them, the democrats g in my opinion faile to make that connection, which was real. >> so also with us economist at the london school of economics daniel chandler, he is the author of the book "free and equally: a manifesto for a just society." he wrote a new piece for "the new york times" entitled "the democrats are in trouble, this man can save them." so tell us about who can save the dems.

th>> "the new york times" peopl do a good head line. the person who i believe can save the e democrats is a philosopher water than a politician. the person my article is inspired by is john rowles. not a household name but he completely revolutionized liberal thinking. my interest in rowles, this is not historical or intellectual hiit's political. i think what you get from rowles is k a hopeful and constructive vision of what -- you know, a more fair and just society would look like. you know, picking up on the conversation so far, i really agree with most of the -- you m know, all of the discussion so far, but, you know, most of it is -- the discussion is mostly diagnostic, there is a kind of analysis of how and why the democrats have ended up in the situation where they are, where

they have alienated working class workers and tein a sense that's d where my article and bk "free and equal" picks up. it is to say the future of the democratic party rests not on just assembling the biggest possible anti-trump coalition but on kind of reclaiming their soul, on finding a sense of what it is that they stand for and i think that rowles can help them do that and then what we need to do is connect abstract philosophy that you get from thinkers like rowles with practical ideas of how we could transform owamerica's political and economic institutions for the better. >> april ryan, a lot of people are saying, wait a second, why are democrats losing working class white voters? why are democrats losing working class hispanic voters? why are democrats losing working class black voters, especially black men. it was overstated about black o men, the degree, but there is nt

doubt there is a trend that democrats are losing a lot of people that have been their base for a long time. why do you think that is? >> tone deafness. tone deafness. at this point you have to think about this, politics is personal and it's also pocketbook. this is not new, though, for black america, for latino america, for those who are underserved. think about the 1960s, think about the march on washington with dr. king, think about if robert kennedy sr. and dr. martin luther king would have inlived they would have dealt wh issues of poverty. one thing i did ask robert kennedy jr. in rtthe spin room, hesaid what if your father and . king had lived, they were dealing with the issue of poverty. who is the hepresident that wou deal with that issue more so than the other? and he said, donald trump. which was surprising to hear that. as democrats are thought to be the ones who deal with this and

they are imploding now because of this, because of the tone deafness that so many people have told them about and they didn't listen. >> so, donny, we're three weeks since the election, some lessons starting to elsink in. the democratic soul searching is well under way. to april's point, the tone deafness, democrats not all but dehave done some policy work to help those people, the people that honeed it and yet they don believe it, don't see it, don't accept n'it. certainly democrats could do more and there is an impulse to go for tthe change candidate b donald trump fashioned himself to be, but in ernls it of terms messaging to say we hear you, what can they do better? >> messenger versus messaging, ronald reagan, bill clinton, barack obama, donald trump, they had and have the ability to turn to voters and say, i feel your pain, i'm going to solve your problems -- regardless in the case of donald trump that he is part of the other side of the

equation. he is one of the rich guys. he has the ability as did ronald reagan, as did bill clinton, as did barack obama. it's the way a person communicates, how they connect. we can talk all weigh want about policy because i guarantee if you look up on the democratic platform it was all there, all the message was there. the democrats need a transformational figure, they need the figure that can connect so we can talk all we want about messaging that's off.in they have the better messengers. >> richard, i don't think agrees with the trump -- >> let me say one thing. the great ladder in american society is not necessarily redistribution a lot of this buconversation doesn't leave me onwildly comfortable, it's opportunity. it's making the american dream real. it's opportunity. you want to do it? how about improving the quality of public schools. that is the principle ladder in american society. when did the thdemocrats in thi election, maybe i missed t donny, when did they talk about public education? and the answer is they can't.

why can't they? because of teachers unions. be>> is public education going override inflation and immigration, the gut issues. >> you want to talk to american people, talk about their kids and schools. that is the way we will make opportunity real in this country. i'm happy taxing carried interest but get serious about opportunity. >> kurt, i am a capitalist, i am a proud capitalist, but i am a proud capitalist with guardrails that capitalism used to have and i understand people don't want to talk about income redistribution. i'm not a big fan of income om redistribution. i'm especially not a big fan when the income is being moved from middle class americans to billionaires, and that has been happening for four -- really three decades in ernest. i know you talk about ronald reagan a lot, but really it started with democrats in the

'90s, the ruben democrats, when suddenly it was hard to tell the difference between republicans and democrats. and carried interest matters. the fact that billionaires just continue to get richer and richer and they pay a lower tax rate than their clerical workers, that matters. and what i'm -- i'm not talking about winning elections, i'm talking about rebuilding the middle class of america.mi so if gas prices go up, 10%, 15%, 20%, whatever it may do over the next couple years, they can afford it without wondering how they're going to pay for the groceries. >> capitalism was working just fine from the end of world war ii through the '70s and that's because all 70the votes, more o less, were rising together as we prospered. that ended and erthat ended because your former party with the complicity of a lot of

democrats concentrated on changing that.gi now, chris murphy, the senator from connecticut has had great interviews recently which he says as more than a diagnosis as daniel said, democrats have to reverse what they've done, which is democrats, harris, all of them, you know, spend 80% of their time with these fine tuned wonky policy things. i have a plan. here is the plan. and they're civil and they're pearl clutching mitt romney-esque in their style which can't go on. instead of having 80% about your policy details and 20% of, hey, i'm angry, this is a rigged system. they should reverse that and do what donald trump redoes, but ao make p good on the deliverablesf that, right? to be economic populists, real

economic populists which they have moved to, which they're becoming, but then with the message enand the messengers th, you know, become the message. whether it's john fetterman, whether it's bernie sanders, whether it's anthony delgado, whether it's -- we could name wh them, you know, jared goldman maine. after left or moderate, it doesn't matter if they can win. by being and seeming, you know, kind of walking the walk as well as talking the talk. >> daniel, it's not just the united states where the party in power lost, we have seen in democratic nations throughout the crglobe wherein couple bent have either lost or at least ittheir party has been dramatically weakened. let's take this from a global perspective. what are some of these lessons that could apply in those capitals as well? >> yeah, you know, i think you're right that the sort of challenge to liberal democracy is a global phenomenon, too. i think in a sense the struggle

that mainstream progressive parties like the democrats in the states but also the labor party in the uk or the social democratic party in germany, the struggle that they have had is that they haven't had a vision, a positive vision of their own with which they can counteract the rising forces of authoritarian populism. just coming back to the conversation so jufar i think pt of the problem is this very narrow focus on redistribution, the redistribution of money is the solution to all of the problems with capital as we know it. i think part of what's caso appealing about rowles' alphilosophy is that he recognis that economic justice is not only about money, it's about whether people have opportunities for self-respect and dig net, chances to contribute to economic life and, you teknow, and to participate communities. i think once you recognize this broader vision of what economic justice onis about you see the kinds of policies we need and not pjust about taxing and redistributing. i think they would point towards ththe bolder economic ideas thai

bothink kurt was just suggestin that we need. you know, that would be things like massive investment in vocational education, so in the uk people have a lifelong entitlement now which gives them equal access to grants whether they're vocational or in the academic sphere.al we could also look at policies like putting workers on the boards of company so they have a genuine say over how those companies are run.ow you know, then i think the final nkthing which to be fair presidt biden inmoved in this direction by really harnessing the power of industrial strategy to create good jobs and i think, you know, it's d this kind of collection much bigger bolder policies that try to change the structure of our economic system and not just to tweak around the edges or compensate people for its failings through shifting money around. you know, it's that kind of vision that we need if we want to restore people's faith in capitalism and in liberal democracy and counter the threat of authoritarian populist. >> daniel chandler, thank you

very much. his piece for "the new york times" is available to read now online. kurt anderson, thank you as well, his book "evil geniuses: the unmaking the america" is a "new york times" best seller. >> kurt, come back for another week or two sometime. still ahead, a new documentary looks at the corruption case against israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. examining never before seen police interrogation videos. the creators of that film join us straight ahead. the creators n us straight ahead.

that's a look at the new documentary entitled the bibi files. the film delves into the corruption charges brought in 2019 against israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu featuring exclusively obtained never before seen interrogation footage of netanyahu, his family and his closest associates. the documentary also analyzes how netanyahu's ongoing criminal case may be impacting his decision-making in israel's military campaigns, like its war in hamas and gaza. joining us now alex gibney and

alexis bloom. thank you both very much for joining us. this looks incredible. i guess, alex, first of all, tell us about the interrogation videos and what they reveal perhaps that people didn't know before. >> well, the interrogation videos are police interrogation videos that led to the indictment of netanyahu for corruption charges. they were conducted between 2016 and i believe 2018 and what they reveal is the face behind the cultivated facade that netanyahu in particular seems so good at projecting and what it shows is somebody who is more fearful, more scared, more desperate than he projects in the media. and also it shows his wife, sara, his son and shows a

fundamental contempt for the rule of law which is shocking. >> alexis, tell us about these interrogation videos i don't think meant to see the light of day, now you have them in your documentary and also with this trial now beginning tomorrow, remind viewers who have perhaps lost track what's at stake. >> well, i'd say everything is at stake. netanyahu's predecessor went to jail on corruption charges that were much, much less than netanyahu's. so this trial is an incredibly important event for netanyahu and he's been trying to avoid testifying. his lawyers have been pushing it back and pushing it back and pushing it back, citiwar, saying, you know, a prime minister can't testify in his own defense during a time of war. >> so let's take a look at a clip that features some never before seen footage airing now for the first time on "morning joe" of a defensive benjamin

netanyahu speaking with law enforcement officials. take a look. >> with netanyahu, nothing concentrates his mind more than the sound of the prison gate slammed behind his back. [ speaking in a global language ] >> so everything that he has done over the last five years was so focused on that sound of the gate potentially slamming behind his back. >> so, alex, if you could put

some context behind the one piece of the interrogation that we saw and tell us more about what's asked of him and what he revealed. >> well, i mean, they're interrogation videos so they are essentially informing what would ultimately be the indictment, but i think what's important about the film, and a number of the people that alexis interviewed when she went to israel, is it's his attempt to avoid a legal reckoning that has caused all sorts of damage in the middle east and many people in the security establishment argue is prolonging unnecessarily the devastating war in gaza. >> so, alexis, in closing there's obviously a lot of debate and concern about what is happening in the middle east. what do you hope this documentary will reveal, really no matter what side you're on in this and perhaps insight for the debates that are taking place.

>> i hope for the international audience they realize that there is a very robust dissent within israel. polls show 60% to 70% of israelis do not support netanyahu and i think it's important for americans and people around the world to realize that israel is not netanyahu and judaism is not netanyahu. he is a politician like any other and if it puts a bit of daylight between him and the country for the international audience, we would have done our job. >> the new documentary "the bibi files" opens in select theaters and will be available to stream online at jolt.film on wednesday. that's jolt.film. alex and alexis both very much, this looks really incredible. thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," from school desegregation to the civil rights movement to black lives matter, our next guest is examining the last

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our next guest traveled across 30 states to document the nationwide protests in the summer of 2020 calling for justice after the death of george floyd. her trip took her all the way to the west coast where a protest led by young teens sparked calls to highlight the history of black youth activism in america. that book "resist: how a century of young black activists shaped america" is out now and the author has us now. i will say it again "resist: how a century of young black activists shaped america." tell us about the book, a

32-day, 30-state journey. what did you learn and what does the book tell us about american democracy? >> that's a lot. >> that's a lot. >> thanks for having me. yeah, i'm so fortunate that i got to travel the country in 2020 after so much was happening, you know, george floyd was killed and it put this laser focus on race relations. so i really wanted to travel across the country and have that conversation and see how people were navigating that time, and it was in portland that i stumbled upon a protest that was led by young people. as i followed them i was just mesmerized by how they knew that they can speak up in this moment. they were acutely aware of the plight before them. so that led me to the question of how do they know that they can even protest? it's a simple question, but as a nigerian immigrant i sometimes have those moments where i come across things like that where i question how is this even happened? and that was a question that

formed "resist." so "resist" looks at 100 years of black people, black young people and their allies who have been at the forefront of fortifying, safe guarding democracy. it teaches us that democracy is really young. democracy is still evolving and because of that it is so fragile. as we're entering this second term with trump, it's even more fragile. it's under attack. and i think we really need to pay attention to history and have that be our best teacher. >> as we look into heading toward the second trump presidency, what -- any surprises or anything you learned along the way? >> i think overarchingly i learned that freedom wasn't free. someone fought for it. someone died for it, someone bled for it and that's why we are all here today. we are inheriters of this democracy. it's up to us to safeguard and protect it. also all the young people i covered in the book they're

lesser known but were extremely you a audacious. we can understand that our voice is our weapon. back then you know this very well, reverend, back then all they had was their voice and they used their voice as that weapon to speak up. >> one of the things, rita, i think is important about your book is that the younger activists throughout history became later those that -- the older activists and had to create institutions for them. dr. king was not 30 years old during the montgomery boycott, later became the older guard even though he never lived to 40 and sncc used to call him the old guard. when we started here in new york with police brutality we were the young outside sneers right. >> then we saw after george floyd a lot of young activists some of which i brought into action network.

talk about how some of the younger activists are there but others stay in the movement and actually will be the one to resist during this age of trump -- donald trump. >> i think for so many people i have been talking to, young people, older people, i think one thing that everyone is turning to right now, especially those of us, myself included, who are struggling through this time, who have 2016 ptsd, i think one of the things that people are trying to glean some kind of hope in this moment is to turn to action, turn to activism. because what is a baseline definition of activism? it's just doing something that leads to social or political change. i think right now we can learn from these young people who they had nothing but their voice, but they turned -- they turned to action, they turned to activism and that led to some kind of accountability. i think right now we can all learn from that. >> all right. the new book is entitled "resist: how a century of young black activists shaped america."

rita, thank you very much for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me. coming up, emmy winning actor ted danson joins us at the table. we will talk about his touching and funny new series based on an oscar nominated documentary. you won't want to miss t it's just ahead on "morning joe." you won't want to miss t it's just ahead on "morning joe." it just ahead on "morning joe." it just ahead on "morning joe. it' just ahead on "morning joe." . is juit's just ahead on "morning joe." on "morning joe." it's jus joe.

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resident's family heirloom. ted danson joins us now. wait a minute, this looks so fun. >> it is. >> i'm trying to think of what -- like when you -- when you go into the pitch for this, you're saying, picture what show and what show mixed with what show? >> it's tough. mike shore who did "the good place" created this and he's very good at that trojan horse thing of making you laugh, you know, isn't this funny and then -- and it is funny to see someone my age trying to be good with, you know, camera glasses and phones because -- but then you start talking about aging, you start talking a real conversation, which we don't usually have in this country about aging. so it's -- i'm so happy. >> and what an untapped well of opportunity for laughs, and that is people who are at a later stage in life who have a different attitude toward things. >> it is, but it's never at them. >> yeah. >> the laughter never comes at

their expense. >> no. yeah. >> i mean, we go -- we go deep. we go memory loss and it's really, really sweet. people after they see this immediately call their parents which is a good sign. >> oh, my gosh. i love that. >> ted, your resume is without compare, been a fan forever, "cheers" is a defining show for me, but this is also something that you are still doing, you are still working. you are a young man of course but that is something -- tell us, is that something that partially what drew you to this that resonate with you? >> yes. yes. i about two or three years ago decided i really would not -- not decided. -- realized i wanted to find out what it's like to be funny at every age in my life. it gets harder and harder, you know, and age is not necessarily -- aging is not necessarily easy, but i met jane fonda about the same time i was turning 70 she was turning 80 and my wife was about to work with her on a film. i was thinking, oh, time to find

a landing spot, and i watched her and she has her foot on the gas pedal. she's 86. >> thank you. >> all she does is goes out into the world and tries to make things better. it was like, oh, yeah, there's not an expiration date. >> there is a long runway. >> yeah. >> i've been trying to prove this to a lot of women i do the 50 over 50 list with forbes and know your value. we have women in their 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, over 100 who are still actually reaching their greatest success later in life. >> and it's a great message for young women. >> yes, it is. >> young men that, oh, you can be creative and contribute to life until forever. >> right. >> watch me kind of thing. >> exactly. it is the message for the younger generation. let's take a look at clip. you were talking about trying to handle your spy glasses. here is your character charles testing out some of your new spy gear. >> now engage the fruit guy in

conversation. remember, casual, confident, just observing. >> hello. i was wondering if you could answer a question i had about your peaches. >> sure. i would be happy to. >> you do not need to be that close. >> sorry. >> okay. >> see, i travel the world looking for great peaches, i'm part of a peach club. >> why are you always in a club? >> i don't know, but stop -- >> stop talking to me, you're talking to no one. >> sorry. i just love peaches, man. as a matter of fact, i will take all your peaches? >> really? >> yeah. >> did you just buy all of his peaches? >> yeah. >> i'm not reimbursing you for this. >> i know. >> oh, my gosh, so fun. >> it is fun. >> so what do you hope -- i love that people call their parents after this. is that what you hope people take away from this or what's -- >> yes. yes. that there is no -- we tell our kids you can be anything you want. and then we stop saying that to

ourselves. >> right. >> and there's no age limit to that. keep going. >> thank you for that message. the new show "a man on the inside" premieres thursday on netflix. emmy and golden globe award winning actor ted danson, thank you very much for coming in. that looks great. coming up, we speak with actor darren criss and director michael arden about their new broadway musical "maybe happy ending" which follows two human-like robots who develop a unique connection. "morning joe" will be right back. unique connection. "morning joe" will be right back take a left here please. driver: but there's a... carl's way is the best way. client: is it? at schwab, how i choose to invest is up to me. driver: exactly! i can invest and trade on my own... client: yes, and let them manage some investments for me too. let's move on, shall we? no can do. client: i'll get out here. where are you going?? schwab. schwab! schwab. a modern approach to wealth management.

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♪ my expectations ♪ ♪ adventure i guess it's been a few years ♪ ♪ and i know this might even be fun ♪ ♪ when the pack something done i'm finally hitting the road ♪♪ so that's a look at the new broadway musical "maybe happy ending." the futuristic romantic comedy follows two outdated but very human-like robots, oliver and claire, as they learn to love, despite their world passing them by. the show is receiving true critical acclaim with the "new york times" naming the show one of its critics picks calling it, quote, a super smart musical about making a connection that arrives on broadway in a joyful, heart-breaking, cutting-edge production. joining us now the star of "maybe happy endings" darren criss, he is an emmy and golden globe award winner and the show's tony award winning director michael arden. thank you, guys, for both being here. michael, i will start with you.

where did this come from? >> what? >> i got sent a script a few years ago back in 2017. >> right. >> the head line said this is a story about two robots, and i thought what a terrible idea. then i listened to the score, read the script, and i was completely devastated, the tears rolling down my face because it felt like one of the most human stories i had ever encountered. it sort of -- you know, i think we sometimes go to theater and go to films to kind of find out who we are as humans and sometimes if we can look at something that's quite different from us, you know, on stage or on screen we're able to kind of allow ourselves to view ourselves with a little more freedom. >> right. >> you know, it's like why we love pixar movies. >> and understand ourselves more. politically i always talk about if you want to understand some of the disturbing trends going

on in america look at other countries. so you set this in the future and yet i love visually how there's sort of this retro look to it, which reminds me of disney plus had "loki" an "avatar" series and they did the same thing. it's in the future, there's enough of this retro feel and it does really connect you to think, wait a second, this is a timeless issue, whether you're talking about 1954 or 2054. >> yeah, i mean, it's about these two -- two people, let's call them, robots, who are dealing with their own obsolescence. >> we all have battery life. >> every moment we're obsolete. so we wanted to look backwards and look forward. we knew that the trap of designing for the future is to try to design the future so it certainly has a retro feel and darren's charcoal every is obsessed with mid century music. >> jazz in vinyl. >> which happens to be a lot of the cornerstone of classic

american broadway music so there is a familiarity and nostalgia and accessibility to this music. when you say things that seem absurd like it's a robot musical. what's it going to look like and feel like? there is a deep nostalgia about the aesthetic and the way the show is presented. it feels like something you have known which is a rare feeling especially when you make a new broadway musical. it is not based on a popular book or pill film and that's an extraordinary thing to be a part of and present to audiences. >> this story is about love in the digital age. talk about your character and the love affair that happens. >> well, i asked michael something when there's a thing that is focused on the show which i don't want to give away but michael said something to me which blew my mind which is this is a thing about living things and the way we take care of those living things and how love makes things alive. these are lofty things i'm talking about. the show is about how things can

make unalive things alive. robots, memories themselves, rooms, you know, plants, you know, there are many people in our lives, maybe you guys can relate to this that we keep our obsolete iphones in drawers even though they're past their prime for reasons beyond anything -- >> for me, you know, it's the 8 track player. >> you describe these feelings to these nonalive things because your experience and love make these things alive and you take care of them accordingly. this show is about that kind of love that obviously there's the human romantic love but the love of what it is to care for something and to really put your own aliveness into something else to make it also alive. >> there's also something here, too, that we struggle with every day when we read articles and we talk about it and that is loneliness, isolation, in the digital age. and you all sort of speak to that here as well, don't you?

>> yeah, i mean, i think the play really starts in a very cold, sterile, digital world and it's not until these two people come into contact with each other and decide to go on an adventure that they begin to left go more and more of that so the play becomes more and more natural as they leave their apartments and go on this adventure to an island, they go into the forest, they encounter fireflies, they cross an ocean together. i think it's about how we -- the human need to, one, connect with nature and, two, how there is an inert responsibility to take care of each other. >> and all of this to say this is a musical comedy, by the way. >> i'm laughing. i'm laughing. >> we're talking about what the show is about but the story, yeah, we set it with this future scape with robots and you think that sounds so silly but it would be the same thing if i was trying to explain to you without it being popular, theno the opera, the "lion king" or sweeney todd. >> "wicked." >> on paper they are absurd but

they have characters and themes that are so enduring that there is a lot more than meets the eye. >> and "the new york times" agrees, critic's pick. >> critic's pick. and the new musical "maybe happy ending" is playing today on broadway. darren criss and tony award winning director michael arden, thank you both for being here. b.

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when you are if you do anything different, have an answer. come up with an answer. i think that was very harmful. we lost a lot of ground with men.

when you look at the article, and a feeling of a lot of experts that it was not a landslide, he clearly wasn't, are we running the risk of democrats relaxing, saying, well we did not get beat that bad? should they be looking at whatever was, if it is under 2%, how do we make up 4%? who are we not talking to? were we not talking enough about the lunchbox issues. were we not talking about what groceries cost? are we not talking about people's concerns that were not a the base. the base is concerned about those issues as well. we buy groceries in the black and latino community. what way will democrats read that they were close, but they should relax, because they could've won?

>> you make good points. just be clear, the article doesn't say that democrats did not have anything to worry about, right? the democrats have plenty to think about. they cannot beat a guy that was convicted of 34 felonies is not liable for sexual abuse and business fraud, his company was found guilty and a criminal conviction of tax cheating. they cannot be together tried to steal the last election we lost they could not be together has issues dealing with sexual orientation, and so forth. that is a real weakness for democrats if you cannot beat a guy that is as flawed as donald trump in the traditional sense of politics. the traditional sense of politics does not seem to apply to trump. he has a connection to a significant part of the population that democrats have not figured out how to unlock. to be clear, my article about going forward about how trump is trying to send a 1.65 margin as it's big. it's a small margin of victory.

in his interest, it is in his interest to claim that he has is great landslide victory. gives him more influence and makes them more powerful and washington and allows him to pressure congress to follow his lead on appointments or legislation. that's why he is using word landslide, even though no historian that looked at would call it that. >> thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. we will look back at joe biden's presidency and look at him overplaying his hand, trying to be the next fdr, when we had a close race. it is always a danger to over read your mandate, even one is not a mandate. you were the perfect person to ask about this. i will take you to your historical spots that you know the best. this is rick program before the

storm. i just want to read the preface quickly. we are going down to the devastating defeat in november, america, most observers, the american right was rendered a political footnote for good. he has wrecked his party for a long time to come. he is not likely to control the wreckage. the new yorker? the election is finished the goldwater school of political reaction. by every test we have declared james macgregor burns one of the most esteemed scholars of the presidency, this is surely a liberal epic of the late 19th century, was a conservative one . he goes on to say that many people said that the two party system itself is finished. goldwater's landslide was a massive landslide. 2 years later, the reagan revolution begins in california.

you can find one election after another where overplaying one's hand leads to a massive backlash. >> what is very interesting, joe, lbj won by 50 million votes. he could say to mr. trump, that is a real landslide. he knew from the start that it was not going to last. he took his stuff together and he said, okay, i won by 50 million. 2 million of them was because they did not like goldwater, they're not really mine. i will have a fight with congress and lose another 2 million, edify with the press, and another 2 million. i may have to send boys to borderlands. get off the ground and get that program through as it is a can. the incredible thing that happened is, 1965, he almost all of the great society through. got medicare and medicaid, civil rights, immigration reform, pbs, the national foundation of the arts, and

that summer, just before congress can do close, he escalated the war in vietnam. that would begin the beginning of the end of all of the moment in the showed up in the 1966 election. just as you also said, the republicans pick themselves up by the feed, or however you pick yourselves up. get a conservative think tank and figured out where we going? reagan wins the election in 1966. by 1968, the democrats are out of congress. they are out of the presidency. you are right. we have these rhythms in the united states that go up and down. you cannot have too much arrogance, which the republicans might have. you cannot say oh no, what we do wrong? just move forward and have confidence that this was not one of those elections that was a real lining election. that is what peter baker shows. that is important. it's not a matter of philosophy that has to be changed, it is a matter of approach and how you deal with listening to the people that are hurting in society.

history helps us in this regard to take ourselves not too seriously and move forward. >> exactly. remarkable thing about lbj in 1964 and 1965, when he did in 1965, he was not overplaying his hand, he knew, and he said, he had probably lost the south for democrats for a generation. he did it anyway, that, as robert frost would say, has made all the difference. thank you so much. democrats are trying to figure out, what we do? it's almost like, you know, you lost five 1.5 percentage points. you lost these three states. you don't want to overreact. and yet, it is such a problem in middle america.

his deep red and getting deeper by the day. >> yes. some of the demographic and economic trends are working against them. talk about how the strategist and the democratic party felt like this might have been the last lakeshore pennsylvania is a true swing state. the margin here is not that big, but their long-term significant consequences. let's go to you for advice to your party. which is the approach be right now in terms of looking at the next 2 years ahead of the midterms? how much should be looking to work across the aisle with this president? how much should be about your resistance? >> i will go back to something that my friend, reverend al said. there were two things that we could have run on that we didn't. one was raising minimum wage to $15 per hour. i know we were four, but we do not talk about appear together then we should have run on was raising taxes on incomes above

$400,000 in a serious way, talking about giving young people, taking this money and putting it into mortgage relief on so young people can purchase a home. this thing will fall under its own weight. they are having an altercation at mar-a-lago. everybody has tattoos. this looks like a redneck tour. [ laughter ]i think this will continue. [ laughter ]went to come up with their own way to dig ourselves out. i think we have a little economic populism and make the point that america needs a raise. let's give america a raise? >> that is a great bumper sticker. i will say, there is a better bumper sticker than everybody has a tattoo. we will say give america a raise. thank you very much, go tigers. >> thank you, i appreciate it. >> he has his book, winning

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the ring on the heels of this loss by kamala harris in the race. why do you think you are the right person for this job? how do you see the party now in terms of what needs to change? for i am the right person for this job, what the dnc needs right now is not a caretaker chair, but a change maker. somebody that can pull the party together, and allow us the space we need to listen to one another, but especially to the voters, the people this quote was from the kitchen tables and said look, we have lost sight of you guys. are you fighting for us, or doing something else? i am the only person in this race with the operational experience to turn things around. i have proven that at every level. i chair the national committee, the democratic governors for 3 years in a row. we won back in states like montana, missouri, kentucky, and i have run for office myself. i know it means to engage in that economic issues and

persuade people to vote for the choices we make, which makes their families stronger. there's been a lot of debate over the last three weeks about what democrats should've done and who they talk to and who they did not talk to as far as voters. losing latino voters and black voters. this was not just the white working class with regards to donald trump. this was something else. what went wrong? how would you change the approach? >> we need to be more engaged all year round. the truth is, many people that voted for joe biden 4 years ago did not even turn out to both this year. a lot of the ads that i saw were in this race. they did not speak very directly to the concerns of people have, like anxieties and fears about the future. the high cost of living, the cost of prescription drugs,

whether i can have a secure retirement and social security will be there for me? in some states where donald trump won like arizona and michigan, the senate candidates won even though the president carried the state. we need to learn from not only in the places were revealed to connect, but we need to learn from those candidates that did connect and who did win. the messages, it has to be, always tie back to the kitchen table. that's what i learned when i ran for city council, when i was mayor of the city of baltimore, and when i ran for reelection after the recession as the governor. it is the high cost of living and the things that matter to people, that's what we need to talk about. the good news is? the change that we need to win his return to our true selves, the party of fdr the party this is we have nothing to fear but fear itself. the other guys with the talent is fear. ours is about hope for tomorrow due to the actions we take today to strengthen every families economic well-being

and the health and well-being of their kids. governor, let me ask you, i do agree that we need to deal with the kitchen table issues. i think to some large degree, the candidate, vice president harris did. a lot of the message may not have gotten through. how must you think misogyny played in this, in terms of some people just were not going to vote for a woman? that's assenting that hillary clinton had to deal with. how must you think race dealt with this are we overlooking some of the things that america still has to grapple with and grow into? >> i think all of those are factors. we are a country, we are not yet the perfect union, are we? there are a lot of scars that come along with our painful, 300 year history. that is all part of the terrain, you know? the other part is that we not

done the job we need to do to detect voting rights. what is it say about us as a party that we will only go to court in swing districts and swing states to defend voting rights? we need to be much more robust party. bedrock principles are the belief in the dignity of every person, and we make no compromise on those things. but we need to walk the walk. we need to defend voting rights . the only way to make america a fairer better places to look to tomorrow and take action here and now. there is no more important institution in our country right now than the democratic party to articulate that vision forward to return to our true selves. for how many democrats on the international level, seem to have ignored the fact that there is the difference between the national economy, that they would all poses the strongest

in the world, that is true, but failed to outline the problems with the actual lived economy of average americans in maryland and everywhere? the cost of gas, filling up half a tank instead of a full tank? purchasing store products instead of brand products? how many have missed the reality of life in addressing voters? >> i don't know, those not involved in the campaign. i was turning around social security, which is what the president asked me to do, because it was in a customer service crisis. i was talking to people all across the country. in the social security office, the anxiety and the fear of tomorrow is very real. people will not listen to our candidates unless our candidates acknowledge that, acknowledge the challenges and the pain, acknowledge the negative perceptions. that is what i learned in running for office. get to meet people where they are at. some of our candidates that that.

hakeem jeffries and his caucus managed to flip six districts from red to blue. the candidates i mentioned in the senate races. consultants, mike, they have a way wanted to tell you that the only way to win is to go totally negative. they become very cynical. ditto candidates, don't engage in the economic argument. and yet, that is the discussion of the people want to have. i think they felt that we were not as connected to their reality. we need to reconnect and rebuild our party. when you win elections. we have to change if we are going to win. >> martin o'malley, now officially running for the chair of the democratic national committee. thanks for coming in. we appreciate it. will want to turn over to the seas for his special look at one man's mission to bring a free press to afghanistan. journalists have been targeted there as the taliban cracks down on any form of dissent.

any book entitled radio free afghanistan, 20 year odyssey for an independent voice is written by the media executive. it takes readers inside efforts of his company, will be group to continue the reporting under the oppressive regime that is hostile to a free press. he joins us now. thank you for being on. i would hear everything about what your company is trying to do, particularly as it pertains to the education of young girls, which is a huge issue there. i thank you. we established our business in 2002. in 2021, we thought we would have to shut down our operations. lo and behold, we have continued , with restrictions, course. women present the news and they report on events around the country they are behind the

cameras and in front of the cameras. we have more women working for us today than 3 years ago. we have upped our education programs. we are doing four subjects for grades 7 through 9. is challenging as it is, we have continued. a >> with respect and admiration for what you do, my simple question is, how are you still alive and had you continue to operate? for it is very difficult. we have to be pragmatic. we have to understand that not being there is worse than being there. we have limitations and restrictions. our job is to inform and educate, and to entertain. the taliban are a reality that we have to accept. we made that decision we made the decision to stay in 2021, knowing the risks and that we would have restrictions. you

will face a similar thing. but be realistic and pragmatic. you're basing those issues in the u.s. >> congratulations on what you are doing here. i have great admiration for the work you continue to do. can you speak broadly to the conditions in afghanistan as united states obviously have a deadly pullout from afghanistan, leaving behind the taliban and reverting to pre- 2001 conditions, especially for women. what is alike in afghanistan under taliban rule? >> is very difficult. the situation is always more nuanced than what you would read about in the media. women continue to work. they drive their vehicles. when you arrive, they will stand your passports. in the villages it is more restrictive. the movement is

not monolithic. there are those that are more pragmatic than others. it is important to engage for the sake of the population. 43 million people, they should not be forgotten. the new book, radio free afghanistan, a 20 year odyssey for an independent voice in kabul is on sale now. saad mohseni, thank you for coming in this morning. coming up, at our next guest is a leading voice on the rise of artificial intelligence. the former google ceo, eric schmidt weighs in on the future of a.i., straight ahead on morning joe. morning joe.

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artificial intelligence, hope, and the human spirit. one of his co-authors was a late dr. henry kissinger. it is good to have you. i want to start coming in two co-authors. they all bring something different to the book. explain the three co-authors of the book. >> dr. kissinger was a great diplomat and patriot. his impact on our world. his brilliance was such that at 95, he could learn a new field. he needed teachers. craig and i helped them understand what algorithms were and how they work. he had been working on the question of humans and the self identification, how we see ourselves, since he was studying at harvard after world war ii. that is what i'm excited about a.i. >> what is the focus of the

book? where do you feel that a.i. can be beneficial to our future, and where the great challenges lie. as for writing about a.i. is to be incredibly optimistic about its impact on health, and science, but worried about its use and misuse by evil people, bad governments, and that kind of stuff. there is plenty of good and bad together. the good outpaces the bat, by far. to me, the most important thing is how we react with. every child now will grow up with a.i. for the rest of their lives. a.i. will change them. the book talks about this. >> i think we hear, we have great benefits in medicine and education, can we be specific about that? what does that mean in medicine? i think the sexier stories are the ones of gloom and doom in the machines are taking over, and all that kind of stuff. how will make our lives better and easier over the next generation?

for much faster drug discovery. the computer consorts of the options. we don't understand biology, swift look at choices. you can go through millions every hour. with robotic labs, you can run the tests while humans are having copy to find the drugs that cure cancer and other diseases. this is a material remaining humid health. he will not stop climate change without new materials and new energy sources, and a particular fusion. you need a.i. for that. over and over again, you need the core advances in chemistry and physics, math, and so forth. eventually the systems will be smart enough to develop new mathematical theories that even we as humans cannot figure out. >> we cover politics every day. we see things like defects and false information, there are those concerns. there have been calls for legislators, for congress to make laws to pump the brakes. it seems that the united states congress could never keep pace with technology.

what are some appropriate guardrails at this moment? >> remember, this is happening faster than anybody things and it is accelerating. there is so much money. we're talking trillions of dollars of investment in people to build a.i. around the world. my perspective, the most important thing is to look at the extreme cases when there is real harm. we can argue about whether the deep ache of us was humorous or not, and it was funny, that's great, it was satirical, that's fine, but if there's real harm, so he is hurt or killed, there needs to be change in legislation that make that much tougher to do and the liabilities much more clear. one problem with a.i., when you ask it, it cannot tell you how it knows something. that is a problem that has to get solved. >> was about education and we are talking good and bad, were not talking about students turning to chat gtp to do a term paper, but how can this how people learn, but also get

in the way so they don't to do it on their own? >> we should solve the education problem globally. a.i. can build a tutor that will speak your language and train itself, based on how you learn. they can do that in math and physics, science, arts, language, and so forth. it can be on your phone. maybe it's okay in the u.s.. the vast majority of the world, they don't have access to our education. that would help all of us. there are so many ways, the real issue is the tension between information and misinformation and how it is produced. it is so easy to produce little rattles that people end up in, especially young people. they can be convinced to do really terrible things, like kill themselves. those issues have to get policed either through regulation or liability , or voluntary guardrails. >> this is a fascinating look at the big issue of our time. as a businessman, taking a step back, new administration coming

in, maybe regulation changes, we are looking at the economy and what it looks like to you as a man understands the way it works so well? >> went to take the future president at his word. his goal is to unleash economic growth. most people my industry would be happy with that. he did bring antitrust charges against google and mentally back when. his current residency appointment wrote argument saying we should deregulate and accelerate permitting, which is great for telecommunications. he also said that the big tech companies should be heavily regulated on content. it seems that the administration is not yet figured out, they fundamentally libertarian, or trying to regulate? they need to sort that out. we don't know. for former google ceo, eric schmidt, thank you very much. the new book, genesis, artificial intelligence, hope, and the human spirit is on sale now. thank you so much for

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's injuries, i will go broke. >> could you let me some cash? >> i would if i could. what if we rob the association? [ laughter ] >> they want security teams and cameras. as >> there is only one security guard. >> the association thinks we are nothing. they think we are invisible. who better than the invisible man to steal millions of dollars of syrup right from

under their noses? >> partner? >> partner. that is a look at the new prime video titles "the sticky", loosely based on a true story, has three time emmy award winner, margo martindale, as ruth, down on her luck maple syrup armor, the inattentive crisis terms -- turns to a life of crime stealing millions of dollars of maple syrup. margo joins us now. it is good to see you. in the preview we ran there, the great canadian maple syrup highest, you had me right there. [>> me too. >> tell us how you start the project? >> i got a call one afternoon from some woman named jamie lee curtis. she said high, this is jamie lee curtis, i was going to do the show, but my schedule is not working out.

she said the only person i can think of that was like me is you. i thought, yeah, in what world? she said you will do it? i said well, i will read it. she says no, you're going to do it. i said yes, i will read it all works out. she says you are going to do it. i said okay, i will probably do it. that is how it happened. >> it does permit today? >> yes, it is on now. >> tell us about the real-life story. have you ever heard of this? >> i never heard of it, had you? >> no, but it does sound delicious. [ laughter ]tell us about the plot. >> in the real story, it was a group of people that stole $18 million worth of maple syrup from a warehouse that was government controlled. they i sit it out. where they discovered that the

syrup was gone was because there was condensation on the barrels. served as i have condensation. they filled the barrels with water. they did get caught. who knows if we get caught? >> i am excited to watch this. i have been a fan of you. you have been in so many iconic shows and movies, now you are the leading lady. what was that like to carry the film? >> it was an honor. i always wanted to be able to set an atmosphere like other people that have done that for me, be welcoming and warm, and supportive to anybody that came on the set. it was great. i am pleased to have done it. >> let's take a look at a clip for you and your crew began to plan the maple syrup highest of

the ages. you have a close call with the law. >> the association as the barrels the price of $2489. we sell to others in ottawa, they will screw us. we got $2000 on the black market, and what that means? that means you two bozos have to pinch 500 barrels at night in a week? isn't that just dumb? that is stupid. they will notice 500 barrels missing. he's lucky that i noticed already. as for his plan sucks, fine, come up with a better one. >> i am not going to jail. john, that would be no margin is alone. >> i am not going to risk it. as for rick landry, you're under arrest for destruction of property of the association. >> that is a great clip. you filmed this in canada. canadians are as proud of their

maple syrup as they are of the love of hockey. what was that like? doing this, knowing what this meant to them? >> it was fantastic and it was great to be in a show that was about canada. we shot in montrial. it was canada, instead of it being another town like new york city or chicago. it was very french and fun. they are wonderful people. it was a joy. it was a real joy. as for the hilarious new show, margo martindale is streaming on prime video. award winning actress, margo martindale, thank you for being here. coming up on morning joe, margo martindale joins us. she joins us in studio, next.

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she is been here for 10 years. i don't know how to tell you how lucrative that has been pressed. >> merry christmas. >> anything you want to tell me? >> know. as for a man was killed on the south bank. was he murdered, or was i the target? >> you may have compromised yourself. now it is time for you to get to work. >> hello darling. >> [ bleep ] a shotgun! >> that reminded me of the scene of love actually. >> that was like the christmas

vibe. >> that is entitled black dubs. the show stars academy award nominated actress, keira knightley has helen webb. this is a london-based housewife married to the defense minister that leads a covert life as a spy. she goes on and action-packed, intense quest for revenge after the mysterious murder of her secret lover. keira knightley joins us now on the heels of her nomination for a golden globe on her work on the show in the category of best performance by an actress in a tv drama series. she also serves as the executive producer, congratulations on all of this. >> that is rather nice. a >> i landed in new york to good news. a >> here you are on morning joe. >> how did you prepare for this character that is leading a

double life to say the least. she has a fight scene, pregnant with twins. >> yes, i do. >> i was channeling the mom rage. you know, i was taking it from the school run. you know you are there with your children and you have all been fighting and you can get them out, you are also angry, you get there you see the first mom and your like hello! that is how i based it. as for now i get it. for i can do that. >> we laughed at that trailer. i described how intense and excellent dancing was not thinking we would show it there it was. that is quite the scene. your writing is very convincing. you have had such an incredible career on film. you have a couple academy awards like pirates of the caribbean, and love actually. now here you are in this netflix series. it seems like since you got into the business, this new world has opened up where you

can do a cinematic quality work like this in a series form. how much fun with that view? >> it was so much fun. i want to do something that was pure entertainment. this has the wonderful melancholy about the spy genre, but it is also really silly. we get blown out of buildings and there's not even a scratch on us. it is a fun and serious at the same time. doing that is great. >> there has been an arc where everybody used to talk about movies. now, we're sitting around talking about, say nothing. it really seems that the culture has moved to the sort of things you are doing here. >> it is so nice. you get to explore very strange stories and people. the character i play is very odd. she is leading multiple lives. her humanity is deeply questionable. over six hours, you get an opportunity to explore that. that is so wonderful. >> one of the other striking

characters is london at christmas time. >> it is beautiful. it is another character. it was made by a bunch of people from london. we deeply love our city i would want to represent you in a way we live in it. you get that sense. it is a bit punk. >> i'm looking at your resume. is >> clearly, we are very punk. >> i got the memo about the blue suit. >> imitation game, pride and prejudice, now bend it like beckham, love actually, you have had some of the incredible role. what is different about this one as a female lead? what you like about that? >> i suppose the violence in it is different. i have not done action for about 18 years. it was a bit of a shock to get

back into it. it was remarkably fun. again, that goes back to the mom rage. i have two very small children we have a lot to get out of our system. it be child friendly at home, it is nice to get out and let it all out. >> devising that we saw, i know they are more to come, it was very convincing. the action was a blast. >> i really enjoyed it. the original script, i was just the spy. my best friend was the spy. without, this would be interesting. i really enjoyed it. >> talk more about doing a series instead of just doing a movie. let's talk about that disclaimer, we spent 3.5 shows saying, my god, could a character be any worse? then you have the reveal at the end. this allows you a lot more opportunity to show depth.

talk about that. >> complexity, if you do a film, you have to make very certain choices. two hours. ask me a clear choice. you know six hours, or 10 hours, you can take it in different directions. i think it makes it fun for the audience at fund for the actor. you think, she could go anywhere. for i love a female lead showing death showing she can be horrible, instead of just the victim. >> she is definitely not that. >> let me finish with an irritating question. let's talk about love actually. i love that movie. >> i did not realize, it's a wonderful life, it's okay. >> i do understand, there is a huge divide out there. people either love it or hate it. i thought everybody loved it. >> obviously, i love it. to imagine i turned around and

said no, but i do love it. i've only seen it once. a >> that is normal. what he does is not normal. for it is a holiday tradition. >> i have watched alvin 1 million times. >> what is your favorite christmas movie? >> die hard! [ applause ] >> i do understand that. >> she takes that side, that smart. and yes, it is a christmas movie. for the new series is streaming on netflix. actress and executive producer, keira knightley, thank you very much for being on the show. it was great to meet you. congratulations . congratula tion s .