just claimed their billion dollars prize nine months after the drawing. the ticket was sold at a shop in neptune township, new jersey, and many other states as well. you have up until a year to claim your prize before the ticket expires. we are told that the player chose to remain anonymous, which is what many experts recommend. tonight the drawing is at 11:00 p.m. since i am feeling in the festive and holiday spirit, look, i stopped at a drugstore, i picked up a ticket. we can go havasis on this if it's a winning ticket. back to you. >> i am going to make her stick to that for ma half of that mega ticket. thank you. and that does it for us today. see you back right here tomorrow on christmas day noon eastern. richard lui picks up our coverage right now. >> good day. live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city, right now on msnbc reports for you, donald

trump making waves around the globe before taking office. the president-elect threatening a potential takeover of a number of foreign territories and allies say he is not joking. we will look at what his words could tell us about his aspirations spreading america first abroad. and as millions of americans make a last-ditch effort to get to holiday destinations on time, a temporary ground stop for one of the nation's largest airlines put those plans in jeopardy. we will have the latest on how your travel could be affected by that. and a surge in holiday shopping is giving the american economy a strong shot in the arm. we will take a look at what that could mean for your wallets in the new year. first off for you, donald trump's america first agenda critics call isolationist with its criticism of u.s. foreign intervention and aid to american allies. recent statements from the president-elect show potentially a more expansionist view than previously thought. sunday trump posting, quote, for

purposes of national security and freedom throughout the world, the united states of america feels that the ownership and control of green land is an absolute necessity. he also mentioned another key foreign trade passageway. >> the panama canal. has anyone heard of the panama canal? huh? we are being ripped off at the panama canal. treat us fairly. they haven't treated us fairly. if the principles moral and legal of this magnanimous gesture of giving are not followed, we will demand that the panama canal be returned to the united states of america. in full, quickly and without question. >> sources close to the president-elect telling "the new york post" he is 100% serious. let's bring in nbc's aaron gilchrist, julie, and the former

republican governor of ohio john kasich and msnbc political analyst. erin, at the white house give us the context of this most recent statement. of course, this is not the first time. >> yeah, you are absolutely right. and i think we are in a place where we are talking about places like panama and greenland and a lot of places around the country. to back up for you here, greenland is a country that the former president, that the president-elect talked about in in his last term, talked about acquiring from denmark and to explain that greenland is an autonomous territory of the kingdom of denmark, and the folks in denmark said, no, greenland is not for sale hear a little bit of what mr. trump had to say about greenland in 2019. watch this. >> i don't know. it got released somehow. denmark essentially owns it. we are very good allies with

denmark. we protect denmark like we protect large portions of the world. so the concept came up and i said, certainly, i would be strategically it's interesting, and we would be interested. i thought that the prime minister's statement that it was absurd, that it was an absurd idea was nasty. i thought it was inappropriate. all she had to do is say, no, we wouldn't be interested. >> so, the prime minister of denmark back then said no, we are not interested in the sale. trump was supposed to travel to denmark and canceled that trip as a result of some of the comments back then. again here we are in 2024. the idea of somehow acquiring denmark came up again and again. excuse me. greenland has come up again. again the response from greenland from denmark has been that greenland is not for sale and never is going to be, and so it's a non-starter conversation from their perspective. richard. >> thanks for that, aaron.

julie, when you think of greenland, why might the president-elect be interested in greenland? is it national security? is it national -- natural resources? what might be the logic behind this? we didn't hear about this discussed during the election and we are hearing it now. of course, it is first major rally since becoming president-elect. >> well, i am not going to say watch donald trump by trying to describe his motives to acquire greenland or trying to make canada the 5 #st state or the pan that canal american again. he has an ex passionist view very much in line with his hero vladimir putin, who currently wants to see to seize land that doesn't belong his country. it's strange. people voted for donald trump because of the price of eggs, not because they want to an ex greenland or get retaliation on behalf of the trump organization that was accused of evading taxes in panama by going after the pan mainions and their

canal. i don't think anybody is interested in making canada the 51st state who voted for donald trump. i can't think of the rationale other than this is something that, obviously, was put in his ear by somebody. he decided to run with it, which is usually how he creates policy and has for the last ten years. >> governor, i want to lean in on the topic of the panama canal and panama and i want you to listen to republican congressman and what he said about this idea of the panama canal. >> i always take him seriously, even though they may sound a little bit out there, i take the president seriously and it's a legitimate threat to panama. he wants a better deal and i think we need to get a better teal from panama and also get rid of chinese influence on the panama canal. >> so, governor, two ways or two items that were brought up by that congress member. first off, the cost. it could be hundreds of thousands of dollars per boat, which is what the president says

is why he is interested. they are too high, the fees. second of all, is this idea of china and russia and a trade route and being competitive with china. your thought? >> yeah, richard, i will cover both. greenland has what's called rare earth materials, very, very important for national security, for a lot of u.s. manufacturing. china, who we're kind of in in a -- not kind of, in a trade war with, has rare earth materials. it would make sense to work with the danes to make sure that we have access of them, and of course also a shipping lane as well. so but we are not going to get to at point where we are going to, you know, buy greenland. i am going to cover also the panama canal. the problem there is, first of all, there are high rates for going through the canal. look, it's being -- those ships that are going through that canal are not u.s. they are foreign carriers.

and they are charging us an arm and leg not just in panama, but all over the world. so who are those ships? they come from denmark, germany. this all gets back, richard, to the issue of nato and our allies. and this is what we have to be careful of. if we are, you know, insulting them or stepping on them, at some point they won't want to cooperate with us. that's an issue here. they all -- look, there is a legitimate concern about these rare earth materials. there is a legitimate concern. we don't have foreign carriers. we don't have u.s. carriers. we have foreign carriers. it's like a monopoly. they rip us off. no question about it. to get that under control we have to work with other governments. we don't want to insult other governments. that's my view of this. >> back to you, aaron. when you look at president biden's take on these very topics, the previous president -- or the president-elect, trump, did mention greenland during his

earlier administration. did president biden follow up on that very topic with, for instance, the leaders of greenland and denmark at all, and what were the interactions like? >> i think the short answer is no. there has not been any engagement with those countries as a result of what the former president, the president-elect, said he wanted to do. the governor makes a good point about these rare minerals and resources that are in greenland. those are things that the u.s. government is, obviously, very much aware of. there are military assets, u.s. military assets also in greenland. so the biden administration has made a very deliberate effort to maintain good working relationships and development, economic and national security development relationships with the danes and, obviously, on greenland in particular trying to support national security interests here and to make sure that there is a way to have u.s. allies, have the same sorts of relationships with the danes as

it relates to greenland and having access to those rare earth materials that are on the island. so that's what really has been a focus of the biden administration over the last almost four years now in terms of its interactions with greenland, not necessarily interactions that are trying to sort of make things better after what president-elect trump said several years back. >> you know, governor, building on what aaron said there, national security, international security, these are real issues. we are looking at a part of the world that is adjacent to russia and that we have a military base, the united states does, in the northern parts of greenland specifically. when you look at those who might write this off as not so serious, what might be the seriousness about this that some may be underestimating in terms of this idea at some level? >> one of the concerns is, is that china, you know, in the middle of a serious trade war if

things continue to get wore r worse, china could withhold these rare earth materials which we really need. so this is not about the fact that we want to dismiss that. you are not going to get there by beating up denmark. it's just not gonna happen. but we are back to nato. we are back to the western nations which have to work together for everybody's security. look, you give the president credit for working them over a little bit to get them to spend more money on defense. they should. but that cooperation should also yield some good things for us. and one of the concerns, richard, when it comes to shipping, for example, is we don't have a fleet. we don't have a u.s. fleet trying to rebuild -- i mean, costs a fortune to do that. so we rely on the foreign carriers. and i have seen times when they have just spiked everything up. you remember this dock war, this war with -- >> yes. >> with the longshoremen. that was because what was happening is these foreign carriers owned, you know,

operate in countries that we have relationships with. they want to modernize the ports and the workers say we don't want you to modernize because we don't want to lose our jobs. a lot of things are tied up. talking to other governments and getting them to work with us is, i think, a prescription for success as i said a little bit earlier. >> right. and julie, to you on this. those are real practical topics potentially for the consumer as we remember that supply chain fiasco that the governor was bringing up. we saw it across the country, felt it, all of a sudden were aware of what ports were and the different flags the poets boats. might this be a way to get democrats to respond to something that really doesing affect, if you will, the everyday person and what might be that response from democrats? >> well, look, there is a difference between saying we want cheaper routes through the panama canal and negotiating the

panamanian government ton that. certainly you can negotiate with the danish on rare earth minerals and other aspects of whatever you want to have in greenland, including national security. the way not to do that is to demean and say we will get our way because, you know, up to a point you sound very much, as i said earlier, like vladimir putin who says we want a fleet on the black sea so we will an annex crimea. this is 19th century thinking. this is not how countries operate and nations operate in the 21st century. negotiation and diplomacy is how you do it. you don't do it by sheer brute force. ultimately as much as the united states thinks we don't want to be pushed around by anybody, nobody is mushing us around. everybody is trying to negotiate the best deal for themselves and their country. we have more ability to do that because we are the united

states. doesn't mean they need to go down to central america or up to greenland or europe and big footing countries and effectively saying if we don't get our way we will take it by force or just acquire it when nobody's interested in being acquired. and that's the bottom lionel. look, you may be happy or unhappy with the fact that the united states cut a deal in the '70s to give the panama canal back to the panamanians. here we are. you may not be happy that the danes have greenland. nevertheless, here we are. so rather than strong-arming all of our allies into having things done our way. we need to figure out a diplomatic route, which is something donald trump is entirely incapable of doing, to try to get to a -- these are real concerns from a national security perspective and from a trade perspective and nevertheless you cannot do that by not sitting down and talking to our allies as allies and not as adversaries.

>> and again by the way, as of christmas eve, the prime minister of greenland saying, quote, greenland is ours ours, we are not for sale, will never be for sale. panama's president saying, quote, i want to express that every square meter of panama canal and adjacent area belong to panama. again, today is, you know, december 24th. we will see as we go forward. thank you all. aaron gilchrist, julie, thank you so much governor john kasich as well. now to breaking news. within the last hour, nbc news learning that earlier this morning former president bill clinton was discharged from a washington hospital after being admitted for a fever late yesterday. nbc's julie tsirkin is covering the story for us. what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, the 78-year-old former president as you said was hospitalized overnight with a fever. at that time the aides said it was not urgent, he was in good spirits and this was plea cautionary. this morning his deputy chief of

staff saying president clinton was discharged after being treated for the flu. he and his family are deeply grateful for the exceptional care at medstar georgetown university hospital and touched by the kind messages he received. he sends his warmest wishes for a happy and healthy holiday season to all. this is relevant not only because this is the 42nd president of the united states, but also because since leaving office in 2001 he faced health scares, challenges, hospitalized for -- two heart procedures rather and hospitalized most recently in 2021 over a six-day period for a blood infection. obviously, we saw president clinton on the campaign trail over the last couple of months especially campaigning for kamala harris who was the democratic nominee after president biden dropped out and he did speak at the democratic national convention as well as he has done every four years since 1976. at that address, richard, he did

joke saying that he doesn't know how many more he will attend. good news on this christmas eve that president clinton is discharge the, he is home, he is safe, he is healthy according to his aide and we'll continue to monitor for more. >> that is good news. thank you so much for that. for the latest information on president clinton? 90 seconds, millions are racing to make holiday destinations on time. are they having a smooth ride so far? a live report from one of the nation's busiest airports and tips from a top travel expert next. ps from a top travel exper next when you see what it's really like when our skin touches wool... you see why we need downy free and gentle with no perfumes or dyes. it not only makes your clothes softer, it is gentle on your skin. it breathes life into your laundry. mom where's my homework? mommy! hey hun - sometimes, you just need a moment. self-care has never been this easy. gummy vitamins from nature made, the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.

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we saw the number of delays piling up on the message boards. one flight scheduled to take off earlier this morning heading to denver was delayed by two hours before it finally departed. another flight going to atlanta delayed by 90 minutes. now, american airlines releasing a statement saying in part, a vendor technology issue briefly affected flights this morning. that issue has been resolved and flights have resumed. the airlines went on to apologize to customers for the inconvenience, saying in part, all hands are on deck as it diligently tries to get travelers to where they need to be. we spoke one gentleman on his way to los angeles. he says it's been a roller coaster of emotions. take a listen. >> it's been irritating because it's hard to plan. so cars scheduled, rescheduled. and the cost of uber is skyrocketing. it's difficult. glad i am finally here.

>> reporter: and that traveler says he received an alert earlier this morning saying his flight was canceled. then he received another notification saying his flight was back on. so as you madge paggen, he imagh and scrambling. that's the case for travelers waiting until the day before christmas or start of hanukkah to reach their destinations. so the timing not the best for american airlines. >> yeah, you don't want to get the alerts. glad you get the alerts until you get the alert. well, i guess i need those eye letters. talking of those alerts and the sub systems that drive the airlines across the country, when it's -- they say one of their vendors that caused this to happen, what does that say about all the airlines and what we will be facing the next ten days or so? >> well, good on american for getting it resolved so quickly. we could have been looking at a crowdstrike situation like we saw over the summer when

meltdowns dragged on for days. this was resolved pretty quickly. yeah, i mean, the systems are so dependent on software and technology. when one thing goes wrong, it could cause a cascade. the airlines seem to be recovering more quickly from snafus like this. we have seen delays and cancellations don't go for days, it's a matter of hours. american got this resolved pretty quickly. that's the good news. also the fact that today is one of the lightest of the holiday period. so fur traveling on christmas eve or christmas day, it's a little lighter led. so that helps, too. but glad this is on the mend. >> yeah, looking at the background saying, you know, that's not the o'hare i know. people fairly calm. in other words, not shoulder to shoulder. clint, what's the way around this? should you go into the airport with a carry-on thinking you will get on to some plane at some point because of the fact that most airlines do allow

returns within 24 hours? do you get another flight? do you buy, two, three flights to make sure you get there? >> i don't think you have to buy more than one flight. but if you see that one carrier is having a lot of issues, you should have a backup plan. you should know if you are flying from -- i was tracking a flight from new york to san francisco this morning. it left three hours late. if i was on that jfk to sfo flight i know delta has a flight, united has a flight. i would have a backup in case i needed to buy my own ticket and hope for reimbursement later. in this case, the outage didn't last too long, so you could sort of plan around that. but i would get to the airport on time no matter what because as that passenger pointed out, sometimes even if the flight is delayed two or three hours, the airline will find a backup plane and get you back on time. you don't want to miss that flight. >> yeah, we are in the middle of the high priced season. how does the first quarter, second quarter of the next year look in terms of prices?

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to end child sexual mutilation, get transgender out of the military and out of our elementary schools and middle schools and high schools. and we will keep men out of women's sports. >> joining us is catherine christian, former district attorney of the manhattan district attorney's office and msnbc legal analyst. thanks for sbg have us on a tuesday. can the president do what just said? >> well, he can sign an executive order and i am sure this will all end up in the courts. eventually. we have already earlier a few months ago heard argument in the supreme court about health care for transgender youth and that decision will be forth coming. five years ago the supreme court said you cannot discriminate, you cannot fire someone because

they are gay or transgender. that was the bostock case. that makeup of the court, judge ginsburg, judge breyer, they are no longer on the court. will that case come back to the court and will it be a different decision? i think the texas attorney general it's no coincidence this lawsuit is filed as the incoming administration is coming in, and just a couple of days ago biden, president biden withdrew regulations they were proposing to protect transgender students. >> explain that, the lawsuit that we're talking about here. how does it work under the law right now? >> well, the texas attorney general, texas is a conservative state, filed in state court in lubbock, texas, a lawsuit saying on behalf of consumers, under a law, under texas called the deceptive trade practices acts, he is accusing the ncaa of

falsely and misleading the public because, as the texas attorney general says, women's sports are exclusively for people who were assigned female at birth, exclusively should not include any transgender persons. so he, texas attorney general paxton, is saying that the ncaa is somehow misleading, tricking the citizens to consumers of texas. because the ncaa allows people who were assigned male at birth to participate in sports. and you should note that we're talking about minimum, minimal number of athletes who fall into that category. >> the texas attorney general, the case that he is bringing forward, how strong of a case

stuz he have? and how will he prove this. >> well, it's again, it's in texas. so it can be argued and it has been argued on behalf of transgender youth, transgender people that title 9, which forbids discrimination on the basis of sex in schools also applies to transgender people. you are discriminating on the bei bei sis of their sex. so that will be the argument from the ncaa. and people who are advocates on behalf of transgender persons who are participating in sports in college and in secondary schools, too, that it's discriminating against them, and you are using the female empowerment, part of that lawsuit that was filed by the attorney general said this was on behalf of female empowerment, keeping women's sports for women only. the other argument is you can't

discriminate against people because they are transgender. that is discriminating against them on the basis of their sex. >> catherine, i have another question, different topic. quickly, when might this happen, if it does happen, 2025, 2026? >> it's going to take -- it's going to have to go -- first it will be appealed if there is a -- either side. so this will happen during the year of 2025, a full year. >> great. while we have got you, also staying in this legal bucket here, the president-elect also saying to move on to another topic he would like to carry out the largest deportation program in american history, and now stating he is going to roll back protections on schools, churches, and hospitals as well. can he legally do this? is he fighting an uphill battle? is this an executive order like 2017 when we saw the anti-muslim ban? >> well, as -- he will, of

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as we end the year consumer spending is boosting the u.s. economy, the gdp growing to 3.1% in the third quarter, the unemployment rate above 4%. while inflation is cooling, prices at the grocery store remaining high for things like eggs and ground beef. nbc news business and data correspondent brian cheung breaks down where things stand heading into 2025. >> in a year where a lot happened, the u.s. economy kept stride thanks to a u.s. consumer that got choosier with dollars.

big-time names pushed back from consumers who balked at rising prices. mcdonald's, wendy's and burger king were pressured into offering meal deals to draw customers back. shoppers still opened their wallets, spending a record amount of money online over the black friday weekend. >> on sale, some weren't. but we still buy. >> that spending buoyed a u.s. economy that got help from the federal reserve which cut interest rates for the first time since 2020. >> we don't want the labor market to soften. >> the fed undid some post-pandemic rate increases to avoid a spike in unemployment which is tilted up a half a percent since a year ago. the good news the pace of price increases in the united states slowed with inflation declining over 2024. now, still prices for household staples remain high, but the cost of ground beef and eggs up from a year ago. housing costs are rising, too. but many questions face the u.s.

consumer going into 2025. >> can you guarantee american families won't pay more? >> i can't guarantee anything. >> prices could rise further under the incoming trump administration's plan to hit america's trade partners with tariffs letting a charged import good could have companies pass costs on consumers, raising the cost of electronics, meat, even oil. what will happen to tiktok? >> the supreme court said it will hear arguments on the constitutionality of the tiktok ban. >> after a court upheld the bipartisan law forcing a sale, tiktok could disappear from your phones as early as january 19. >> breaking news, tiktok is getting banned again. so they say. is it real? not sure. >> you are coming on the air with breaking news. a massive global technical outage tied to crowdstrike. >> there was the microsoft outage in july due to a faulty

update from crowdstrike. that wasn't the only blackout. in february, at&t had a massive cellphone outage. in march meta had problems that disrupted facebook and instagram's services. it didn't sink those companies but debt piled up for companies that filed for bankruptcy, tupperware express, t.g.i. fridays and red lobster. bankrupt means they are reorganizing, not gone forever. so here is to more cheddar biscuits in 2025 after what was already a busy, busy 2024 for the u.s. consumer. >> all right. brian cheung, thank you for that report. joining us for a look at economic trends next year, cnbc economics reporter steve liesman. when you look at some of the other major inputs to what consumers are thinking about, we are watching gas prices, we are watching mortgage rates and last year when it comes to mortgage rates, as you reported on just by looking at ten-year bonds and treasuries, that is a big issue we need to look for because we

are hoping the rates go down certainly and gas prices, too. >> yeah, well, the market was kind of onboard with that idea, richard, for a lot of the year, but then it turned around for a bunch of reasons. inflation ended up being stickier. then the trump administration -- or the -- president trump became the president-elect trump and the idea that his policies may end up being a little bit more inflationary than had been believed, may be better for economic growth, has the bond market rethinking that. so mortgage rates after trending down for a little bit have trended back up and there are kind of solidly in the low 7s now. >> what do you make of the discussion from the president-elect about tariffs, how that will affect the economy? >> well, it's, of course, impossible to say. we don't know what he is proposing. in general, economists believe tariffs will raise the price

level. whether or not they raise the rate of inflation or prices go up is another matter enentirely. you imagine a round of tariffs that raise the cost of those imports to some extent and then maybe another round of retaliatory tariffs. you could see it escalating. i don't think it will be positive for the prices consumers pay. maybe not for the importing companies and maybe not for the exporting countries. somewhere along the line somebody pays that bill. >> when you look at 2024, was there a bullet that we dodged economically across the country for consumers as well as for industry? >> you know, a lot of people think so. i am not quite in that camp. we went into this year and the year before that, everybody expecting the recession. i was a little more bullish. i felt like the economy was on good footing. we didn't have the recession that everyone planned. i didn't actually think it was going to happen. and one of the things that about the outlook next year is that

the recession is not part of the big concerns and our surveys of strategists and economists, we have the probability of a recession a little bit elevated, around, say, 25, 30%. it had been as high as 50% where a lot of people were darn sure the economy was going to fall down into a recession and it didn't happen and it's not really part of the risk profile for next year. it's more about the effects of the policies of the incoming administration and how the fed might respond to it. >> steve, is the recession your biggest worry for 2025, albeit maybe low, and if that is your biggest worry, how might we see that happen? will it be a very large one or a little blip? >> honestly, richard, my biggest worry is covering the economic policy of the trump administration and thinking i have a sunday morning off and then a tweet comes out with some sort of major policy that nobody

planned for. that's my personal biggest concern. as for the economy, i guess that's a concern. we have been running pretty good, pretty strong, pretty hot. you talked about a 3% gdp growth rate in the third quarter. we will do another three in the fourth quarter. that is above the potential of the economy. and there are some things that businesses very excited with the incoming trump administration if it comes to deregulation, comes to lower taxes. those are the things that they are excited about. the uncertainty and tariffs are things they are not. the question me is how the uncertainty balances out with the optimism that we are seeing ine business surveys. >> you know, part of that optimism, that big conference that happens in january, which w very well, they have record numbers that plan on is that going to be all the ceos and all of the leaders of industry show up there? is that going to be good for consumers? things are going to be quite

bullish in the next year? >> i don't know because i think what's interesting, richard, is the davos forum, the one you are talking about, is a place where the general concepts of the global economic system have been discussed and debated. i think things are changing, richard. i am not sure that they are necessarily changing in the right way. a lot of countries are having trouble with their democracies, a lot of incumbencies have been throe throwing out. there is an anti-incumbent movement around the world. there are issues about how much trade we are going to have around the world and issues about countries being essentially me first all over the world. so the rules are changing and it's going to be interesting to see as they meet in davos, as other global meetings happen, what the new -- i'd say world order is going to be b but how people structure it in the wake of this idea we are moving away from which was that free trade

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again as christians mark the moment of jesus' crucifix. a chance for thousands of faithful to admire the ivory interior, sparkling stained-glass windows and worship in front of a brand-new very modern altar and golden cross for this medieval cathedral. christmas hymns played on an organ brought back to life. each pipe 8,000 individually restored. five years after the inferno tore through the interior of the church, obliterating over 800 years of history in hours, and thanks to the incredible work of 2,000 crafts people using medieval methods, the cathedral reopened this month with a service that drew more than 100 world leaders. when the fire ripped through in 2019, craig covered the aftermath. >> the fire is, thankfully, finally out as investigators continue to search for a cause. >> reporter: and now he was one of the first invited back inside.

to exclusively take in the transformation. >> one the things that's most noticeable, it is so much brighter. all of it. this is roughly where all that burnt debris fell from the ceiling. now it's all gleaming. ♪♪ >> reporter: this holiday the cathedral has been at the center of festivities again, a christmas market offers a breathtaking twilight view of notre dame. perfect. and traditional wine. >> special because it's the heart of paris. so we're really happy now. >> reporter: a christmas to remember. a miracle of sorts, a cathedral rising from the flames. truly worth celebrating. >> millions of dollars were raised for the restoration of

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good day. leading off for you, our second hour of coverage. christmas celebrations underway in the holy land with a more somber tone than previous years as the region reels from two years of devastating war. across united states, more than 100 million americans expected to take to the roads, rails, and skies for the holidays. we'll have a live report on what this nasty weather means for travel plans. in the peak of cold and flu

season, scientists are sounding alarm on a new danger. bird flu. a rampant new outbreak among animals in california led the governor to declare a state of emergency. we'll have a doctor and former white house official on our hour to answer your most pressing questions on that. we will start with a somber christmas celebrations in the holy land, celebrated under shadow of war for a second year. in bethlehem, biblical capitol of christmas now in the occupied west bank palestinians say the joy of previous years' festivities has turned to mourning, a pastor telling our team on the ground he sees jesus in every child pulled from the rubble in gaza. in northern gaza, israel demolishing and fortifying positions there according to a "washington post" report. indications of prolonged idf presence despite netanyahu publicly signaling progress in cease fire and hostage talks

with hamas. israeli defense minister making clear the fight is not contained to gaza publicly admitting for the first time israel was responsible for assassination of hamas' political leader in a bombing in the capitol. he warned leaders of the houthis in yemen, you are next. we are going to start with raph sanchez from jerusalem. what are they telling you about how this holiday season feels like now for them? >> we spent the first part of the day in bethlehem, literally the birth place of christianity. i can tell you the mood is somber on a normal christmas in

bethlehem, you have an enormous treasure dominating in front of the church and nativity, site where jesus is said to be born. there is no tree. palestinian scouts carried out traditional parades but there were no instruments. it was a somber, quiet parade. it is a reflection of the struggle many faith leaders and christian residents are feeling in bethlehem about how to mark this important holiday while blood shed continues in gaza. we spoke to a reverend, the pastor at a lutheran church in bethlehem and is known for the unusual nativity scene you had on the screen moments ago called christ in the rubble. it is traditional except baby jesus is on the rubble and says it is a reminder of the thousands of children killed by israeli strikes in gaza since last christmas. listen to a little bit of what

he told us. >> bethlehem is the capitol of christmas. it's supposed to be the best time of year. none of that is happening because we are in mourning, in solidarity. the plans, services, masses will go on. i look at it as a form of our resistance, our resilience. for 2,000 years christmas was celebrated in bethlehem and we need to keep that. >> richard, you heard it there. there is grief in bethlehem but there is not despair. and people are drawing a lot of resilience, comfort, and hope from their faith at this time of year. richard. >> thanks for starting us on that. now on these topics, when you think of netanyahu, middle east, west bank, israel, gaza, we are covering a lot of ground in those statements, do you think with the assignment of

marco rubio if he gets through the senate here, what does that mean for the middle east and trump administration in getting to some deal if it is believed still to this day that with biden being a lame duck and out that not much will happen before marco rubio hits the ground if he does hit the ground. >> it does look like the issue of the cease fire and hostages coming out, that's going to be inherited by incoming trump administration. you saw incoming national security adviser mike waltz the other day talk about their desire to put intense pressure on hamas, made threats to bring down holy hell on those who take american hostages. that's tough talk but the bottom line is we are still on the proverbial ten yard line if you want a football analogy. we can't seem to get past this where the hamas, especially the leadership inside the gaza, and

israelis as well can't really get past that. if prime minister netanyahu gave an interview to "wall street journal" in the last days and said he would not end the war even if the first hostages come out. that caused consternation in israel. we are really not there yet. as said this is a time where there has been 40,000 plus palestinians killed, 1200 israeli. we can't seem to get the hostage deal, cease fire deal set in stone. >> it seems it has been the same headline if you will for the last two quarters. susan, when you think of president-elect trump and his relationship with netanyahu as well as previous hawkish views, what do you think will happen when he does take office, when he is sworn in. and back to marco rubio if he does pass approval from the senate? >> i think donald trump is

going to have to put away his caprecious rhetorics and roll up his sleeves and get to work and talk about the serious issues with foreign leaders. that will probably be the biggest change seen in administrations is how we are viewed on the world stage. marco rubio will help settle that, meaning tamper the concerns a bit. but donald trump has to get to work. he will have to do things that aren't just fought out in the press. he may talk one way to the country but when comes to foreign leaders on such important issues, it will have to be serious. and it's going to go beyond marco rubio. former congressman tulsi gabbard is up for dni and that's a scary thought in many ways because the rest of the world needs to trust her with their intel and i don't think they're there yet.

>> a fairly unknown quantity. reflect first of all on what we are saying, the word on the ground in terms of the new administration, what they expect compared to the first administration, not a lot of progress. do they expect more this time around? second part of my question, i did mention israel's defense minister confirming assassination of the leader in iran. military and intelligence agency claiming successes. now he is saying houthis and yemen are next. put those together if you can. i know those are two big buckets. >> just starting with the incoming trump administration i will say trump created a sense of urgency in the middle east that president biden has not been able to for sometime. i think part of that is it is much more difficult for prime

minister netanyahu to say no to trump in a way he has continued to defy biden administration. we will see as mark was saying if this deal can be gone over the line. i can tell you the israelis are feeling a sense they need to get this or at least be seen to be trying to get this into place before trump takes office on january 20. in terms of the state of the so called axis of resistance, the reality is it is severely weakened since october 7. if you go clockwise starting in gaza, hamas, hezbollah, most powerful nonstate army in the world suffering bloody blows at the hands of israelis, long time leader. their vast rocket arsenal diminished and they were forced into cease fire. assad regime collapsed. iran, air defenses severely

weakened, vulnerable now to israeli strikes on nuclear facilities if that's a decision netanyahu chooses to take. interestingly the one element of the axis of resistance that is totally and undeterred are houthis in yemen. over the past week or so they've fired at least two ballistic missiles that have broken through the air defenses. both have struck the tel aviv area. it is a reminder that after more than a year of strikes not just by israel but also by the united states, what was considered a fairly rag tag militia continues to not only block global ship in but also to threaten israel with long range missiles. >> two great points. thank you for joining us and for your reporting as always. mark if i can get your reflection on two things. the axis of resistance has some have said. benjamin netanyahu sticking to if you will his guns throughout

the last year potentially pulling a rabbit out of a hat and getting all of these done if you will when looking at the axis of resistance. second is but why not the houthis? >> first and foremost, israel is in the most dominant strategic position, i can remember and i worked on middle east for almost 30 years. iran's aircraft carrier, hezbollah sitting on israel's orders no longer there. so israel basically has an open opportunity to take a shot at the iranian nuclear program. i think that's going to be one of the big questions in middle east with incoming trump administration. will israel do this? and will trump administration, united states, assist? in terms of houthis themselves as noted there is a raging debate within israeli national security infrastructure on israel strike houthi tarts in yemen or do they take a shot at

the iranians, cutting the head off the snake? again really significant moves to be made not just in the days and weeks ahead but over the next six months that will set the landscape for the middle east. >> susan, with all of this being discussed, this is certainly ongoing and very important, we also know that this administration has said america first. it is not necessarily looking outside the borders. is there appetite in the trump administration to look abroad in these ways that we have been talking about in this segment? >> unfortunately, i don't think so. at least in a very public fashion. unfortunately since it is one of the most dangerous times in the middle east history, donald trump is going to have to pay attention because the u.s. influence will be needed for things to happen, whether it is

backing israel or standing against frankly enemies of the united states. i don't expect donald trump to be discussing it much unless frankly it's about using some force of power, strength, he deems that there is an attack of some kind that he wants to take credit for because it makes him look strong. of course that can also be very dangerous. >> you spent a significant part of your career in syria. today the man leading that defacto government announced that rebel groups that ousted assad agreed to dissolve and form a national army. is this encouraging for syria? really a larger question is with all of what happened in 2024, is 2025 going to be quieter and better for the citizens and residents of that region? i did spend some parts of my

career living there. this is an extraordinary time. we should understand five plus decades of terrible rule of the assad family is gone. let's let the syrians rejoice on this. assad killed a half million of his citizens. if you see scenes of prisons being uncovered and mass graves of 100,000 plus bodies, it is barbaric. thank goodness this regime of assad is gone. what's next will be of some concern. will there be instability? will this rebel group hts, al qaeda curious but seems to have been reformed, will they respect human rights, respect minorities in syria? u.s. is dedicated to engaging with the group. i think that's the right move. we have a problem of course with isis in syria as well. so much of the region is focused around syria and so this is again another challenge

for the trump administration on how we engage with what could be an incredible story in the middle east. if we don't engage and if we let syria fall to instability, to fighting like we have seen in other countries like iraq and libya, that will cause enormous problems as well. >> all right. thank you both for your perspectives and analysis today. in 90 seconds, mother nature is causing chaos for millions hitting the roads and skies to reach their destinations. we have your winter weather update right after this. update. r and it keeps our clothes fresh all day! [sniff] ooo imma be feelin it at work today. she smells so good i'm actually paying attention! smell unstopable. alright, we got your home and auto bundled she smells so good and you saved hundreds.tention! oh, that's nice, with the economy and all. what's the economy? [chuckling] where do we start?

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leaving tomorrow. once you get the snow involved, we're like if it's not going to snow today, we are going to leave today. >> from east point georgia and bill karins is with me. marissa, what are you seeing? >> reporter: i can tell you i feel warmer in atlanta after the images in boston. it's sunnier and warmer. and i have good news. the traffic isn't that out of the ordinary. i have been to atlanta quite a few times and i would say rate now looks like any other day. as you are seeing today and tomorrow are the lightest days for traffic according to aaa throughout this holiday week. it makes sense. we've got christmas eve, christmas day, hanukkah. maybe people are already expected to be where they wanted to be by today and tomorrow. the bad news is if you are not where you wanted to be and you were planning on taking to the roads, if you are in the

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area. the airport is reporting 154 minute average delays. they had ground stops when thunderstorms were over head about two hours ago. this is fort worth and this is dallas. a strong thunderstorm to the north, a lot of lightning. this causes problems for landings and take offs. that's why anything involving the dallas-fort worth airport has problems. we had the snow earlier. it is gone. now the sun is coming out in the northeast. airports have recovered. we had delays earlier and now we have to delays. that's good news. we are heading in the right direction. storms in the dallas area will shift south wards later on tonight. eventually they'll make their way to houston as we are closer to midnight. that's 6:00 p.m. you see a few storms. by 2:00 a.m. they roll through victoria and houston. during christmas day we don't have thunderstorms, just showers. our friends on the west coast dealt with a pretty strong storm this morning. san francisco you are clearing

out. we get a break during the rest of the evening for christmas eve. then christmas morning is fine. then a big storm, the one on the edge of your screen, will come to the pacific northwest with high winds and maybe even power outages christmas evening. that's 8:00 p.m. we are clear. there is morning. during the day the storm rolls into oregon coastline, olympics, cascades. the snow levels will be pretty high. seattle southward olympics to portland, windy rainy conditions and on the coast even worst. the northeast is clearing out and improving during today. there is the rain in the south. as we head through christmas day, just the northwest. that's my big travel trouble issue as we go throughout christmas day. >> let's talk about santa, frosty the snowman. they're worried about it being a white christmas. if we want to turn on a camera, is the northern part whiter than the rest? >> we will not get a lot of

white christmases. if you have it on the ground you are hoping to keep it through tomorrow. anywhere in white here is where we should have what we call a white christmas, at least an inch of snow on the ground. inch city north. sorry chicago, sorry detroit. minneapolis, you get your white christmas with spotty mountain areas. there are no surprises. no happy kids waking up in the south to a surprise snow. unfortunately, not this year. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. a look back on the historic year that was in u.s. politics. what we can expect when a new incoming president, president trump, re-enters the white house in the new year? you are watching msnbc. tching ehundreds on car insurancee with liberty mutual. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates)

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what do you make of the key players that can build that relationship to govern, to get things done? you have the first woman ever to hold the chief of staff position, jd vance who has served on the hill. are those going to be the right communicators so they can work together to get things done. we are seeing complications on the hill just in the past week. >> i think you are absolutely right. there are a couple ways to look at this. you are right to point out that donald trump this time has surrounded himself with people who he believes will be good communicators about what it is he wants to accomplish in these four years that he will be in office again. at the same time, there are some in congress in particular who feel like you have a guy coming in who says he has a mandate based on the election that we just saw and there are plenty people in congress who believe that and say that their job is to make sure he can

execute on that mandate. we heard him say that on day one there will be executive orders on things like closing the border. there will be executive orders on things like kicking transgender people out of the military. those things will be supported largely by republicans in congress. at the same time, we have seen complication with the people that the president-elect has put up as potential cabinet secretaries. obviously we saw matt gaetz, former congressman quickly removed from contention in the bid to become attorney general. we have seen complications for pete hegseth who is trying to be defense secretary. there are some in congress who say their job is to advise and consent, something they take seriously. while they support the general plan donald trump has put forward, there is going to potentially be at least some hesitation by some republicans in congress and of course a tremendous amount of push back by democrats in congress and of course they'll in two years try

to take back some control in that house. >> a good reminder, two years it see what the reaction is to what the election was. when you look at both sides, are they going to work better together this time around? >> no, probably not. i think it's going to be very contentious. i think nominees put up by donald trump, obviously matt gaetz has withdrawn but you will look at the nomination fights and it will be partisan with a lot of bickering. there is a chance i suppose that on something like rfk, jr. >> looks like we have some technical issues. if we get him back, we'll go back to him. as we look at this, what might be different than your coverage or as your coverage goes forward is that this second term of president trump will effectively be at some point a

lame duck term. does this mean most watching, those on the ground there believe we will see more of what we saw in the first administration, more gloves off or the opposite of what that might be given that he is not running for reelection this time around for various reasons. >> we talked about the idea of a mandate. i think that because the administration believes they have they have ideas that they should execute with the support of the people who voted for donald trump. there will be things we saw last time that likely will come back. we have been talking about president biden's commuting sentences of 37 men who were on the federal death row just yesterday as a matter of fact. 37 of the 40 men who are on death row or were on death row as of yesterday. we know that during the trump administration, he wanted to make sure that the execution

option was something that stayed available to people who were offenders, murderers and things of that nature. this time he says he wants to see drug dealers get death sentences, wants migrants who kill americans get death sentences as well. we know in the last several hours the president-elect has released or posted a statement consistent with with a his team said yesterday, that he fully intends to use death penalty as an option. the statement he posted on his social media said as soon as i am inaugurated i will direct to pursue death penalty to protect american families from violence rapists, murderers, monsters. that is something we heard last time and obviously something we are hearing again. i think richard you can expect that it will be full steam ahead for the incoming administration. the president-elect has said that within a couple hours of

being inaugurated, he intends to fully activate his government and go forward with the policies he's talked about. >> sam, back to you reflecting what aaron was reporting. i know the technicalities interruptured us for a second. >> sorry for the technical interruptions. i think we will see a real dramatic shift in approach on january 20. what we are talking about in terms of immigration policy alone, it's not just mass deportation. there will be an effort to end birth right citizenship. talking about criminal justice, aaron went through the list. talking about healthcare presuming rfk, jr is confirmed, we are talking about dramatic changes, emphasis on fda regulations and things like that. talking about foreign policy, the team trump has put together has a whole different tone and

approach to the world than the biden administration. so it will feel like whip lash. when you talk to democrats about it, what they're concerned about is separating signal from the noise. they're worried about being overwhelmed by things to have to push back against and trying to prioritize. it is going to feel like a different country on january 21. >> sam stein, aaron, thank you for your reporting. have a great tuesday. medical experts sounding the alarm about sudden rise in bird flu. how serious is this threat this time around? i will consult a doctor next. you are watching msnbc. watchin

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it is cold and flu season and the cdc is worried about a different type of flu outbreak this time around. bird flu. at least 65 people contracted the virus since april compared to a single infection in 2022. wednesday a critically ill patient in louisiana was diagnosed as country's first severe case and last week the california governor gavin newsom declared state of emergency in response to outbreaks in cows and poultry. msnbc medical contributor joins us. good to see you. h5n1, that is still what we are

talking about, right? is this now the same one from the 1990s? >> yeah, richard. happy holidays. this is not the same one. in fact that's part of a concerning pattern, that these are different genotypes and different even from several months ago from what we saw infecting cattle and all the farms around the country. that i think alone is one of several signals that this is worsening and we should try to do something in the country to get ahead of it. >> i was talking with another infectious disease expert, and this was during summer. she was telling me watch bird flu. did we see this earlier on? what did we see despite us not necessarily talking about it in north america? >> we did. i think what was an unknown factor was when and how the animal to human transmission

would take shape. you mentioned the severe case in louisiana. we know severe cases can happen. majority of human cases until now have been pretty mild but that doesn't mean we should dismiss it. infectious disease experts was correct. i think the country if not the world has been about hearing about possible pandemics. you see this balance we are having to watch in the medical community but it is getting more real day by day. >> we can't help but think of the times when you and i would speak about covid not long ago. that's our benchmark for concerns. what is the concern of this strain or genotype as you were saying of bird flu this time around? >> here is good news. we have not seen human to human transmission. it is very different from covid. with covid we were dealing with a completely novel virus. this is not necessarily a novel virus though the mutations are new. to be clear we had a stock pile

of vaccines. those need to be approved by food and drug administration. that's not clear how effective they will be. we have more than we did before with covid. we don't want that to happen. we want to get ahead of it. we are starting to see usda take steps, milk sampling at half of dairy farms. we really need to do the entire country and do waste water analysis as we did in covid before we see that human transmission we saw it covid. >> is it as infectious or concerning as the every day flu or the flu we are watching this season? where do we go to get information? we go to the cdc? >> cdc.gov has a huge amount of information. right now it's trying to target the information to anybody who handles poultry. all the cases we have seen, no human to human transmission.

there has been in most cases some ability to trace it back to dealing with sick dairy, sick farms, any animals that are sick on a farm, you should take precautions and avoid. cdc has that information. your original question on how to be concerned how contagious it is, it really does come from direct contact and surface to surface, different from covid with the respiratory transmission human to human. it's flu. it's pretty infectious but we are not near at the level where anybody who does not deal with animals needs to be concerned but it is something we are watching and will let people know. >> you are saying live animals, correct? >> live animals and i would caution people should not handle sick dead animals either. in general of course poultry workers have to protect themselves because this is what they do every day. we are seeing evidence of transmission from people who

had backyard animals, poultry and what not in their backyard. stay away from sick animals living or dead. i know that sounds cliche but that's where we are seeing transmission now. >> because they're calling millions of birds that they have concerns about for sure. dr. patel, good to see you and thank you for your help. a spike of inspiration. how one ncaa volleyball coach led her team to a historic victory despite fighting a major battle of her own off the court. off the court. at betmgm, everyone gets a welcome offer. so whether you're courtside trying to hit the over... or up here trying to hit the under. whew! or, hitting that win with your crew. ohhh! yes, see defense!

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