call, how attention became the world's most endangered resource, and it looks at how our attention is constantly being extracted and commodified, often against our will, and how that works both our intimate parts of our private life and our entire public political discourse. that book is available to order now, it will be out in january. i am really excited to have it in the world, i hope it is useful for people. i will also be hitting the road, going to a bunch of different venues across the country to talk about it, from santa's code -- san francisco to boston to seattle to houston to pittsburgh to chicago and that is not all, even more dates and locations are in the works. you can either scan the qr code here on the screen or you can go to the website, msnbc.com/the sirens call to learn more and to buy tickets to one of those events, and i truly look forward to seeing you out there but that is all in tonight, have a great day. first and foremost, happy holidays to all of you, and congratulations for almost making it to the end of 20 24- bit it feels like many, many

lifetimes ago, but believe it or not, at the start of this year, in the early days of 2024, as donald trump vanquished his republican primary opponents, one of the big questions hanging over the race was whether or not donald trump was even eligible to run for president. multiple lawsuits were filed across 36 states, arguing that trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election were wholly disqualifying under section 3 of the 14th amendment. and for a very brief moment, a few states successfully removed truck from their primary ballot. but that was until march when the supreme court ruled unanimously against them. it was just one in a series of consequential rulings that ultimately benefited trumpeted chief among them, the high court's july decision on presidential immunity. that decision which determined that presidents are immune from prosecution for any official acts, that decision effectively delayed the start of trump's

federal criminal trials until after the election, and ensured that trump would not face legal consequences for trying to overturn the 2020 election until voters headed to the polls in this election. in 2024. and oh, what an election it was. the sitting president dropped out of the race 107 days before election day, then he endorsed his vice president as the democratic nominee. meanwhile, the republican nominee survived one assassination attempt in pennsylvania, and then he survived another near assassination attempt in florida. and then after all of that, americans in each of the seven swing states chose to return the 45th president to the white house. >> i want to thank the american people for the extraordinary honor of being elected your 47th president and your 45th president. america has given us an unprecedented and powerful

mandate. i will govern by a simple model, promises made, promises kept. we are going to keep our promises. nothing will stop me from keeping my word to you, the people. we will make america safe, strong, prosperous, powerful, and free again. >> in light of trump's victory in november, the federal and state criminal cases against drunk -- trump have either been dropped or suspended indefinitely. in other words, his delay tactics worked, but the fact still remains that donald trump is the first and only american president to be a convicted felon. but also, in just a few weeks on january 20th, 2025, donald trump will re-enter the white house emboldened. trump previously, famously said that he would not be a dictator, except for day 1. and on that first day, we will very

likely see the start of a sweeping conservative agenda, including carrying out the largest mass deportation operation in american history, expanding domestic oil production, pardoning the january 6th rioters and reshaping the federal government by firing potentially thousands of career government employees. trump's plans will be assisted in large part by republican majorities in both the house and the senate. he will also have a group of hard-core loyalists in his cabinet to execute his vision. now, whether or not all of trump's pics have confirmation, that remains in question. but it certainly seems possible because people like pete hegseth, kash patel, pam bondi, and robert f. kennedy, jr. will be running key offices. how shall we orient ourselves as we head into 2025, what can we expect? claire mccaskill, democratic senator from missouri and

senior national politics reporter, it is great to have both of you wise people here, sage people, predictors, fortunetellers. claire, i wonder, you have been through trump 1, and i wonder how you are thinking about the dawn of trump 2, and whether some of these very big promises, bigger even than the promises he made the first time around, will actually be executed on. >> if you take off what he promised last time, he would build a wall, mexico would pay for it, no, didn't happen. he is going to appeal obamacare, no, do have hundred he blew the deficit up. so, really, there were very few promises he kept in the first administration, except cutting taxes for wealthy folks. and he managed to do that with a republican only vote in the senate, and also in the house. i don't have any democrats voted for him in the house, there may have been a few, but

bottom line is he has now promised a mass deportation. that is way harder than it looks, and i don't think a huge chunk of the folks who voted for him are going to like the way that looks pretty he says he is going to take off taxes and social security. this is all kinds of things. and honestly, i don't see there is anyway that the congress is going to be sitting next year with a very slim margin in the house, and only a four about leeway in the senate is going to do the things that he promised, so i will tell you right now, promises made, promises broken. >> yeah. john, from the sort of a bareknuckle brawl that is partisan politics in washington, d.c., how do you see trump's chances in getting any of this -- these signature proposals actually run through the bureaucracy and the reality of congress? washington, d.c. is not called the swamp for no reason, but i mean, trump's

grip maybe tighter around the gop, but the fact remains, as claire points out, they have very, very narrow majorities. >> yeah, alex, you are right referred to senator mccaskill as wise and sage, she just point out the most important thing here which is the republican party in the house as basically no margin for error. you have seen president-elect trump now basically take people from the house that he is going to put in his administration, making that even harder to get things through the house, so that is going to be the biggest challenge. of course, the senate rules do allow for something, and i don't want to get too nerdy here, but they allow for something called budget reconciliation. i think you are going to see trump basically try to put together a reconciliation package, which will largely be tax cuts, maybe a few of those other items that you mentioned, with an effort to get it through the house and get it to the senate, because you only need 50 senate votes. whereas for other legislation, you need 60.

so, that is the first thing i think folks should look at. what is he putting into a reconciliation package? and to senator mccaskill's point, a lot of things he wants to do blow up the deficit. in theory, budget reconciliation is intended to help balance the budget, to close the gap in deficits, to bring down debt over time, and practical reality over time, it has been used to do the exact opposite, and all of these proposals that trump has on taxes would explode the deficit and add to the debt, so it is not clear what all he would do to offset that. i know elon musk is looking at government programs that he thinks he can cut. i don't think the votes are going to be there in congress for anything close to what you would need to offset set what this would do to the deficit. >> unsurprisingly, i look at the landscape and icy chaos, claire. not just because of the thin majorities, but the fact that you have republican senators who are up for re-election in 2026 might not get on board with mass deportations. you have elon musk and vivek

ramaswamy literally dictating moves in the house and perhaps even in the senate. i mean, this just speaks to the center of gravity that is dispersed, and requires someone in the white house who can manage warring factions, and trump's behavior up until this point has not been to manage warring factions, but in fact to pick people against each other. i mean, he likes the game of thrones. that may be interesting from a narrative point of view, but from the governing point of view, it seems like he is setting himself up for disappointment? and maybe that is being euphemistic. what are your hopes for the senate being a source of potential mediation in all of this? >> well, you know, there is a song in the music man about trouble and it says t, that runs with p, and in this instance, that stands for primaries. so, what you're talking about is who in the senate that is a republican is so worried about a primary that they will do things that will get them in

trouble in the general? and alex, people need to remember, there are still states that will elect a republican or a democrat in the senate. i mean, pennsylvania is a good example. north carolina not too long ago, you have got ohio who just turned over a seat by a pretty narrow margin, so you look at a state like utah where trump has never been the end all be all to the people in utah, so you look at some of these senators and you look at how long is it going to be until they run, how worried are they about a primary, and how much can they stand up to trump, but honestly, the thing that is going to be the most interesting is the clash of the titans, trump versus musk, because trump loves deficits, he loves debt. trump loves debt, his entire career has been about that, and musk is busy acting like some

richest man in the world from the sidelines is going to somehow dictate to the members of congress what they do. there will be a blowup there and i can't wait to watch it, that's what i'm looking forward to. >> you are already popping the jiffy pop. to that point, john, it is such an unusual arrangement, because elon musk in many ways in the closing days of the biden presidency and the sort of dawn of the second trump term, elon musk is asked -- acting in a more prominent role than even jd vance, the former senator. elon musk to my mind has absolutely no government experience, but is out dictating fiscal policy and legislative priorities. i guess i wonder, from your vantage point, how wrong -- along you think that lasts, and what you see in the strange love triangle between jd vance, elon musk, and donald trump, how feasible is that in the long term? >> a couple things. one, when president trump realizes that elon musk thinks that he is president musk, that

is going to be a problem. [ laughter ] there is not room for two presidents in the united states and donald trump doesn't see room for another alpha male at the head of his government, so number one, i think that seems like a collision course that is going to happen. number two, to your point, elon musk does not have governing experience, and you just have to look at his twitter feed to see some of the things that he has suggested and that vivek ramaswamy suggested, that they are not only nonstarters on capitol hill, but also the kinds of things that would become a political disaster for any members of congress voting for them. so, when they start to understand how government works, perhaps they will adjust a little bit and try to figure out what it is they can actually do and what they can to do. the third thing i would point out is elon musk has been given the head position or coaching -- co-chairmanship with vivek ramaswamy of a blue ribbon commission, and i think senator

mccaskill can tell you how much power blue ribbon commissions have in congress. to my experience, the answer is none. and you know, obviously, those suggestions will be taken seriously by republicans on the hill, or at least some of them, but it is going to be very difficult to get votes for an entire package of cuts or piecemeal cuts. >> you know, there's a question of what the legislative branch does, but there's also the question of how useful, i will say, the cabinet agencies maybe and carrying out parts of trump's agenda. and on that note, claire, i wondered what you make of the pics that trump has launched into the stratosphere thus far, does it help them to have someone like pete hegseth at the defense department when he wants to weaponize the american military, potentially against u.s. citizens, or does it hurt him given the fact that pete hegseth is literally no expense managing a bureaucracy that size? does it help him that tulsi gabbard may be a dni or kash patel may be at the department of justice in terms of carrying

out his orders, or doesn't hurt him? how do you look at them in terms of their utility for his broader agenda? >> well, it's tbd. first of all, i don't think they will all get through. it only takes four. and some of these folks, like tulsi gabbard, or meetings with people who are steeped in the intelligence committee and washington have not gone well, and i'm talking about republican senators. she appears ill-prepared. she doesn't really understand how the intelligence community works. she has been flat-footed about her love affair -- i should put that in quotes, not literally, just figuratively, her affection for bashar al-assad in syria, who we now know we are finding the mass graves of citizens he has killed, so i don't think they will all make it. and the other chance that people are taking voting for these folks, will they face plant? will they actually be able to

execute? and trump is doing something that is not uncommon in washington. yes, he won the swing states, but he didn't even get 50% of the vote, alex, and he is going to overreach here. he thinks everybody who voted for him like sam. you are a huge chunk of people who voted for him who just thought maybe the price of ground beef and milk and eggs will come down if he is president, and he has got that over his shoulder, the economy. and the tariffs he is proposing, the other things he is proposing, that is not a way to get to a place where you're going to bring down inflation. so, it is going to be very interesting to see whether or not the democrats can stand up to him in a way they speak to voters instead of talking about him. >> heaping dose of real talk for your stocking stuffers from claire mccaskill, john allen. thank you both for joining me on this very special evening. i wish you happy holidays, lots of rest for the months and years to come. thanks, my friends. >> happy holidays. still to come tonight, how

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during his first term in the white house, president trump delivered for the antiabortion movement. he appointed the three conservative supreme court justices who were key and overturning roe v. wade. now with trump just weeks away from returning to the white house, those activists are ready to hand incoming president a new to-do list. one of their top asks is outlawing medication abortion. there is what trump had to say about that during his first postelection interview on meet the press. >> will you restrict the availability of abortion pills when you are in office?

>> i will probably say exactly what i have been saying for the last two years, and the answer is no. >> do you commit to that? >> do i commit? things change, i think they change. i don't like putting myself in a position like that, so things do change, but i don't think it is going to change at all. >> i don't think it is going to change at all, but also, things do change. access to abortion pills remains very much a live issue. three states recently filed a joint lawsuit against the fda, renewing efforts to restrict the primary drug used in medication abortions. mifepristone. joining me now is the president and ceo of reproductive freedom for all. thank you for being here as we try and peer into the magic eight ball to understand what it is ahead of us as a country. the first question i have for you is the states who are trying to sue the fda over mifepristone. what makes that movement meaningfully different than the

last effort to do basically the same thing, that ended up with the supreme court's order rejecting the plaintiff's argument, saying you guys don't have standing to sue here, how is this different and you think it could be more successful? >> yeah, i think the biggest difference is we don't have a biden administration to defend their fda and its decisions, and we don't have a biden administration fda either. not only do we not have friends in the white house and in the admin who will protect access to medication abortion, we will have embedded in hhs, in fda, in the solicitor general's office, a team of folks who are on the same side of the states that are suing the fda, and that is deeply, deeply problematic. the fda is supposed to be above politics, but we already know the playbook from project 2025, and we know based on these nominees that trump is putting forward and folks he is surrounding himself with, they have every intent at pursuing

this agenda. i think it is just so interesting, however, that donald trump himself understands extremely well how deeply unpopular that agenda is, which is why that meet the press interview was so interesting and why he is so careful to not commit one way or another. he knows the majority of americans, including the ones who voted for him, support unfettered access to abortion, including medication abortion and that it is popular and that it is the most widely used form of abortion in this country. >> yeah, and i think that political reality is interesting. you can see him try and have it both ways when he talked to nbc's kristen welker. things do change, but this won't change. keeping the door popping open and the wind, if not just open to whatever may happen, you know? i do think it puts his fda in the hot seat if they in fact are the ones that don't argue against a ban on medication abortion, and/or it puts the supreme court in the hot seat and puts them in the position of once again outlawing

abortion, given the fact that medication abortion is the most common method of abortion in the united states. are you -- i mean, i know what you think about trump and the fda, but i do wonder how you think of the court and whether there is anything that might suggest they would be hesitant to do the thing that i think has tarnished the reputation, perhaps in the eyes of some, irrevocable lee. >> so, i will say the negative part first. the court kicked the can down the road really by ruling on standing. they left the door open for antiabortion extremists to file a different kind of case with more credibility, so frankly, i'm very concerned about this court, this is the same court that overturned roe v. wade, this is a court that did not equivocate specifically on this issue. they left it to standing, which frankly, the lower court should have dismissed it in the first place on standing. but yes, the fda should be an independent agency. there is a shot or a chance

that the administration and the folks and it will decide to let 20+ years of authorization of fda approved medication abortion stand. i'm skeptical about the court. that being said, we absolutely have to continue to build public awareness on the popularity of this medication. you know, last year, when this case went to the court from the court in texas all the way to the supreme court, we ran a multi-platform campaign, educating american voters about the importance of medication abortion, and that is exactly what we are poised to do again. it does matter when the public raises awareness and consciousness, and i hope the court is watching, because as you noted, they have never been less popular in this country, and overturning roe v. wade was a terrible precedent to set for so many issues that trump and the gop are trying to avoid being tagged with. >> you know, i wonder if independent of this particular effort to ban medication abortion, there are several efforts like the one by ken

paxton, who is suing a new york doctor for unlawfully providing abortion inducing drugs to texas residents, which is in direct violation of state law. physically, this new york doctor is part of a group that males medication abortion to women in red states that cannot access it themselves. there are shield laws that protect those doctors from doing what they think is medically necessary for these women. but it is a challenge between effectively red states and blue states. red states saying that is not legal here, don't send these medications here. the states saying this is in the best interest of women, we are going to treat them accordingly. what do you think happens to an effort like that? even if it is not ultimately successful, there is the chilling effect it could have on doctors who do what they think in their eyes is the right thing for these women. >> look, we know there is a reason ken paxton is going after this doctor, and you are completely right, it is the chilling effect, but it is also an opportunity for them, much

like they did on immigration, much like they did by busing immigrants to other states, they are trying to make the case that there is something wrong with doctors from one state taking care of patients from another. they know, and he said this last year and the last time this went to the supreme court, they know that medication abortion is popular, they know it is very easy to access, that it is a way around abortion bans in red states, and they have absolutely no interest in letting their constituents have access to the scare from anyplace else. these doctors in places like new york, and this doctor in particular, they are putting their careers on the line to take care of patients from other states. what i think is really interesting and historic i would like our side to do a better job of telling, and we are going to be talking about it a lot in the next coming year is a success story of blue states. the fact that california, new york, so many places, have these fantastic shield laws, that they have supported governors, legislators, attorneys general, both

california and new york have codified protections in the constitution, they're providing safe haven for these folks to cross over and get this care. this is how we are going to survive the next couple of years before we can really restore access, and these folks are heroes. so, i want us to talk about how the blue states are leading the way and protecting our fundamental freedoms and expanding them while the red states are continuing to do what the majority of americans do not accept, which is hold these women captive in their states, restricting them from bodily autonomy and care that they deserve. >> we are now at the point where we have to accentuate states for women's reproductive healthcare. and so it goes. many, thank you for spending a little bit of this holiday season with me, i really appreciate your time. >> happy holidays. still to come, the cruelty is a point for trump to point out when it comes to immigration, but their resistance is already beginning. plus, how donald trump's crypto boosting can make some of his biggest financial supporters very, very rich. that is next. >> [ music ]

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i think crypto has got a great future, it really does. [ inaudible ] i will write it on a little piece of paper, $35 trillion in crypto. >> it did not get a lot of attention at the time, but in the lead up to the election, donald trump really did say that he wants to pay down the national debt using cryptocurrency. and now that he has been elected, trumps wild crypto fantasies it may very well become reality. as charlie writes for the atlantic, there is speculation that trump would make good on a proposal to create a strategic reserve of bitcoin's in the u.s., which could involve the federal government buying 200,000 declines a year over the next five years, perhaps by using the country's gold reserves. for large crypto holders, this would be an incredible scheme, a wealth transfer from the government to crypto wells. that seems like a pretty crazy thing to do, not least because cryptocurrency claims to be all about creating money that does

not rely on the u.s. government . but it makes sense when you understand cryptocurrency not as a new technology or the symbol of some online libertarian movement, but as an industry rife with speculators looking to cash in on donald trump's second term. as charlie writes, "whether trump understands crypto beyond the basic notion that it is a good way to win votes and get rich off the backs of his most fanatical supporters is not clear, but the alliance between trump and the crypto constituency makes sense philosophically. trump is corrupt and he loves money." joining me now is the author of that piece, charlie, staff writer at the atlantic. charlie, i am such a fan of your writing, and this piece in particular was very helpful for me, and i'm sure many other people who read it, to understand the handshake between maga and crypto. can you elaborate more on the sort of anti-institutional band that unites these two subgroups of people and why there's so

much kinship in these two worlds? >> yeah, there's a lot of synergy here, and a lot of it is probably cynical, right? as i wrote in the piece, there is crypto -- kind of seems like a technology that was in some ways built for the way donald trump likes to conduct business, which is like off the books and, you know, sort of nakedly financial, like greed is good in that crypto ecosystem, that is a very trumpian thing. but perhaps more important is the ego's of cryptocurrency, especially bitcoin and this idea of blockchains that technology is built off of which is an anti-institutional technology, that's the way it was created, to take the middleman out, to take away the banks and the central bankers and the government and oversight and regulation, and all those institutional barbells that help protect people, but they also leave people out of the financial system. people who are into crypto are really into that anti-

institutional authority, and it makes a lot of sense, we are in an extremely low trust moment. the maga world is full of people who are incredibly skeptical and distrustful and resentful of elites, and they like the idea of this, so this culture has a real overlap with the maga, the trump ethos. >> yeah, nothing says anti- institutional like the u.s. president created a strategic bitcoin reserve built on gold, what? [ laughter ] just can we talk about the irony of maybe using federal gold reserves to buy a strategic bitcoin reserve? i mean, the whole point of crypto is that it is outside the government. do you see any issue with the creation of this, do we need to worry about it crypto cash? also, will the public care? i mean, this is undermining the very point of crypto. >> it is undermining the point. it is hypocritical, but it is also very alarming, i think?

you know, who is to say whether donald trump is going to make good on any of this or whether this is lipservice to a constituency that put a lot of money behind him and put a lot of faith in him. i think what is really alarming about this is the fact that this would be a wealth transfer from the federal government to the people who currently hold a lot of bitcoin. the government would be buying bitcoin from these people, and every time, every year, it would by about 200,000 declines, every year it did that, you know, that purchase would drive the price of bitcoin up, further enriching those people who have crypto, and then making it so that the next year when the government was buying those reserves, it would cost the government more money, they would be getting a worse price. and then, you know, outside of the corruption element of that, you also have this idea of the government having this strategic reserve of the most volatile currency that has really existed that is not like tulips, right? it is a very alarming thing for

our global financial system and our government to be enmeshed with this technology that is like best suited for doing crime. >> and as you point out, the narrative of that, taking crypto pros and making them richer year-over-year is not something that the populist working-class agenda of maga would tolerate, right? i mean, in theory, it is such an obvious transfer of wealth, like many other trump policies, to the richest again and again and again, when we think there would be political fallout from that. >> when i put this -- all of this stuff, the trump policies, just the notion that crypto has enriched a certain set of people who have become really important political donors to this researcher molly white, who studies cryptocurrencies, and you know, the volatile effects, what she said to me was very striking, which essentially is or is is anti- institutional authority adopted

by these folks, but then once they get the power or the influence, they basically lose that and say, well, we are not anti-institutional list, it's just we want to be the institutions, we want to be the authority, and that is what i think we are trying to see here. you know, if these trump proposals go through, if we start to see the posh regulations for crypto that helped it thrive, i think what is going to happen is it is just going to be a new set of authority and it is going to be the people who are rich from this speculative asset. >> i mean, charlie, it is a great piece, i am a big fan of your writing, is set at the top of this segment. everybody should go read it, it is important perspective for the coming months and years. thank you for your time in this busy holiday season, i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. still to come, trump is valid to use even more intimate tactics to expel undocumented

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american history, and i wonder kind of how you guys are thinking about a battle which could be one of epic proportions, how are you preparing? that's yes, well thank you so much for having me, really glad to be here to talk about this. yes, trump starts talking about criminals, and then immediately moves to talking about deporting 20 million people, which is in fact double the estimated number of people who are actually undocumented in our country, and the aclu has been preparing on three fronts. first, of course, our litigation front, and i just want to remind you that during trump's first administration, the aclu filed more than 400 legal actions against the trump administration, and was successful in many of them, even before trump appointed judges, so we are confident in our litigation teams prowess and ability to meet this moment. second is what we are calling our firewall for freedom, and this is an effort that we are

doing with our affiliates. the aclu has an affiliate in every single state in this country. and those affiliates have close relationships with their governors, their attorneys general, the legislatures, the mayors in cities, so we have been working together to build out a firewall to protect people's rights and liberties at the state and city level. and then finally, there are millions of grassroots supporters. all across the country. we have been holding trainings, we have hundreds and hundreds of people coming to these weekly trainings to learn about what we can anticipate from a trump administration and start to get ready to fight back. >> can you talk a little bit about the states and the firewall -- what is it, the firewall is a freedom? what does that mean when you say you are partnering with states, obviously most of them are blue state governors, mayors, et cetera, is advising them on how to create bulwarks against some of trump's most

draconian policies? what does that mean on a practical level? >> exactly, on a practical level, it is giving them the tools they need to resist, to say no, our state where our cities resources are not going to be used to carry out your undemocratic political plan. whatever it maybe. to violate people's rights. states do not have an obligation to take their state resources, whether it be police or national guard or proprietary personal information about the residents. and use it in service of trump's political agenda. they are under no obligation to do that, and we are helping them have the tools to not do that. >> states rights is now a liberal cause. i do wonder, you know, you mentioned the aclu has had success arguing it's cases even before trump's appointed judges. how are you guys think about the supreme court were so many pieces of these high profile litigation and up, now that

there is a strong conservative majority on the court and they seem to have handed trump some very real wins this year, i mean, how are you looking at that as a final endgame to a lot of this? >> first off, i will remind you that hardly any cases go to the supreme court. it is less than 1% of all legal cases that are heard across our judiciary system go to the supreme court, so many, many cases are decided in lower courts. but yes, the supreme court does have a mixed record, and you know, i think we have really seen in the aftermath of the jobs decision a real disappointment with how politicized the court has been with the general public. however, we see courts as an important piece of protecting democracy. we still argue in front of the supreme court and we still expect a fair hearing. >> well, listen, all i know is we are going to be looking towards you for a lot of information.

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