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welcome back to the weekend. elon musk invested hundreds of millions of dollars into donald trump's election bid. that bet paid off, at least for

now. landing him a spot during the trump transition, but is his lingering presence just going to backfire? politico lays out how democrats are turning the tables. step one, get under trump's skin by calling elon musk president musk. step two, call out this new culture of corruption. step three, engage in class warfare. in an era where half of americans live paycheck to paycheck, trump is prioritizing the wants and demands of the wealthy, you know, those millionaires and billionaires. so much for america first. joining us now is congresswoman debbie wasserman schulz. welcome. >> we have many questions for you, especially as a former dnc chair as the race heats up.

can we start where michael ended. i have, perhaps, the most unpopular opinion. and my unpopular opinion, i don't actually think americans care if billionaires are involved in helping run the government or even elected because people assume if you are successful in business, right, if you made a lot of money, that you're smart and you know what you're talking about. now that's not always true. we've seen it play out in real time. but i think a lot of people, hence why elon musk has gained so much of a following if you will, and not just him, but others. people do think hey, look at what he has done with tesla and spacex and the rockets. maybe he does know something about government. same thing for donald trump. and i'm just like i don't know. >> well, symone, it is one thing for when americans elect a president who appoints, that

appoints leaders, that are incredibly successful and accomplished both academically and financially. and then they go on to run the government in a way that is designed to help all americans get ahead. that's what voters wanted when it came to this past election, and previous elections. it is quite another when you have a guy like elon musk, the richest man in the world, buy himself the presidency, and then essentially becomes the president. i mean that is what's going on here. and so what voters don't want is for billionaires to buy the presidency and then run them over. and that is what we just thankfully avoided last week because republicans have an insanely small margin of majority, and that we've been mining the show in the house of representatives. we were able to stop them from suddenly trying to run our economy into the side of a

cliff, and at the same time, basically dismantle social security and medicare and run over our seniors. that's what that attempt was last year when they blew up the bipartisan agreement. so this chaos congress and the billionaire buddies who are going to be running our country are not in it for anyone except the billionaires. >> that's all very true. i think you saw the limitations, the limits of all their smartness and elon musk's intelligence in respect to his newfound role, running doge with vivek ramaswamy. we'll have more to say about that. that's super crazy. but the reality is exactly to your point in terms of how americans look at this. you have the new york times noting t limits of doge and ramaswamy as

his spending enforcers. but budget experts see little hope that the three will be able to meaningfully shift the fiscal trajectory. they have no authorities whatsoever, said douglas who holtz-eakin. they don't control the government, and they don't control the size of government. that is exactly what hit elon musk up the side of the head last week. >> exactly. >> it is also going to hit republicans up the side of the head when they try to do this whole project 2025 thing and fire 50,000 federal workers or limit the department of education. in light of all of that, and we know those limitations and the impact. how do you see hakeem jeffries minority leadership in the

householding the line with democrats, and creating new fronts on which to battle republicans rhetorically, as well as politically on issues that sort of touch on what americans think they want instead of what they're getting? >> well, as we saw last week, michael, and all the way through the 118th congress, republicans could do nothing significant. they couldn't avoid shutting the government down without democrats. they couldn't avoid increasing the debt ceiling and passing a budget deal like the fiscal responsibility act without democrats. heck, mike johnson couldn't even retain the speakership himself without democrats. because they have anywhere from a one, two, three-vote margin, they are going to have to work together, work with us under leader jeffrey's leadership. he has demonstrated the ability

to keep us together. why? because we know that he has the best interest alongside us of everyday americans who vote in the election to make sure their grocery prices can come down. to make sure we can continue to reduce the impact of inflation, which has been punching them in the face. ask not to make room for tax cuts for billionaires by cutting social security and medicare. and so we're going to point those contracts out, and we're going to put all of our votes together, and with a few republicans like in the 118th congress who are in marginal districts themselves, we'll do our best to either stop the musk-trump presidency from running them over with a train or make sure we could do some good. >> and in addition to being on the appropriation committee, you were on the select committee of the weaponization

of the federal government, which seems like the best or worst babysitting job of all time. i'm not certain. final report came out, and turns out didn't come out. like we're waiting. no big bombshells. >> oh my god. [ laughter ] >> the congresswoman is like what in the world? >> oh my gosh, that select subcommittee was a total joke. by the way, the creation of it itself was a weaponization of the federal government. and under my colleague's safety class, it's a ranking member. we made that subcommittee under jim jordan and his maga extremist colleagues and their ridiculous witnesses. i mean they brought rfk jr. who just spewed a boat load of anti- semitism the week before, in front of that committee, and we

exposed his desire. and to eliminate vaccines like polio and measles, and possibly not require children to get those vaccinations when they go to school. i had a measles outbreak in my hometown in an elementary school because there were kids who were not vaccinated. and we have a maga extremist surgeon general in our state who is anti-vax. he did nothing to try to stem that tide. that's what we're in here for. president musk and vice president trump will be jeopardizing american's health, helping the billionaires, kicking americans in the teeth, and preventing them from getting ahead. at the end of the day, the government will be taking care of their billionaire buddies. by the way, engaging in mass deportation, and preventing us from being able to pass immigration reform, which is essential if we're going to

make sure we have a fair immigration process and also one that can help us improve our economy and continue to make america prosper. >> so let's do a little chairman to chairman for a moment here because i got a former dnc chair here. >> if we could just go. >> this is a little chairman up to the screen here. talk about your upcoming dnc race for chairman. you were chair of the party from 2011 to 16. you know intimately the inner workings. you've got robert, former state candidate here in maryland. ken martin, minnesota democratic farmer, laborer, party chair. martin o'malley, and new york state senator, ben wickler, wisconsin democratic chair. and williamson recently joining the party. former democratic presidential

candidate. how do you assess what these individuals will need to bring to the table in order to secure for themselves the victory. that's important. but more importantly, assure the delegates who will be voting for them. the members who will be voting for them that they will have the vision to stand toe to toe with the maga threat that stands in front of them? >> and michael, as you know, i just want to make sure other folks know when you don't have the white house, the dnc chair is elected from the membership. it always is, but not nominated by a sitting president. so it is a very different role. i was chair when we would have a sitting president, and then went into an election where we were electing a new president. and it is critical that any of these cam cats are going to be committed because we won't have the white house to working

closely. tightly coordinating all of our work together, so we can make sure we can pack the biggest punch in terms of money, messaging, and mobilization. and so you need a skilled individual. there's a couple of state party chairs that are running. ken martin is the current chair, the association of the state democratic chairs, so he has been in a leadership role. i'm not endorsing a candidate. but if you want to, this is a complex job that has a lot of different masters when you don't have the white house. and really has to also deal with the dnc, whether you're in the rnc chair or the dnc chair, there's a whole lot of opinions coming at you. you need to make sure you can keep the trains running on the track, and make sure you're moving the party forward through the first two years. in our case, the first two

goals with the dnc's health will be to take the majority back just like we did in 2018. >> yeah, i can tell you as a chairman who has served without anyone sitting down 1600 pennsylvania avenue. it's a thing of beauty when you walk in the office, and you don't have to pick up the phone and listen to someone tell you, you don't have to do something that's harebrained. you know it won't work. so any way -- [ laughter ] just my thought. congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, always a pleasure. up next, elon musk and vivek ramaswamy, oh did they have a week. highlight a riff between trump's silicon valley supporters and his core maga base, folks. it's a thing of beauty. you're watching the weekend. ...follows her example. ♪♪

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now the world is at war with itself thanks to a breaking point between multimillionaire tech bros and trump loyalists. this week, they were hit with racist backlash. and then maga loyalists erupted even more after doge's co-chair defended foreign farmworkers and tech, by blaming american culture for prioritizing bronze over brains. in summary, axios explains, "the fight exposes one of the maga movement's deepest contradictions. it came to prominence chiefly via the white, less-educated working class, that's now under the full control of billionaire technologists and industrialists, many of them immigrants." >> honey, the girls are fighting. girls are fighting. >> let me get this straight. so vivek ramaswamy, i mean he just didn't write a tweet, -- >> it was a screen. >> it was a screen. i mean it just went on.

he laid out basically you white folks out here should have been focused on doing a little bit more urkle than anything else. >> less stefon. >> you know, symone, i'm tickled, i'm tickled by this. who would have saw this coming? >> well, i mean definitely not the folks who voted for donald trump and they're american workers. look, this is, you know, my mother told me this is just some business that don't involve you. you don't need to step in it, so i have been watching. because this is what happened. to be very clear, elon musk and vivek ramaswamy, weren't they foreign born workers? >> yeah. >> they got here on a visa. >> and he is here because he wanted one of them visas. and now he's an actual american citizen. but let's be very clear. there is nothing wrong with people who are not from this

country coming here, making a better life, contributing to the american fabric, okay. that's something i fundamentally believe in. america is the land of the free, home of the brave, all that stuff, that elon musk was tweeting about. however, please don't come for americans. and i would like, let's be very clear. i would like white americans to stand up. this is your calling card, honey, when is your banner because they're coming for you. they say white and lazy. that's crazy. that's crazy. and i said it. you would be coming for me. i would never say it. >> and that is the point. but what you have happening here is the very thing that white folks have said about black people. >> i'm sorry, vivek was born in the u.s. >> and for generations, they were saying that about white people and they don't like it. you're not lazy, you're not slow, you're not stupid. well, that's what we've been saying for 400 years, yet here we are. you still want to not read our history or go through our crts and all this stuff.

>> this is why the great reverend jesse jackson talked about the rainbow coalition, honey. and people are uniting the working class, okay? and black people and white folks and latino folks coming together because the rich people, they're not here for you. this is how they let you know, okay? they just let you know. so you want to come over the rainbow coalition, you come join us, all right? >> up next, rfk jr. >> i got the clipboard, i'll take it. >> over the center. did rfk gain enough support to get confirmed? we've got someone who has been through the process. donna is here to talk about it. you're watching the weekend.

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damage its ability to respond to public health crisis. meanwhile donald trump's pick to run the department of health, rfk jr., made his case to win over republicans. he did so by claiming support for the polio vaccine. this comes just days after kennedy's lawyer asked the fda to revoke approval of that same vaccine. former health and human secretary, donna shalala, joins us to discuss it all. madam secretary. >> madam secretary, welcome. good to have you here this morning. i have a quick question for you. >> please. >> the state of our health is always a fine line. it's a delicate balance. a balance between research, production of the results from those research. and the impact it has, not just here, but globally. when you have an incoming secretary of health who has

officially, over the years, declared vaccines, killed more people than they save. and that other forms of actions that we take to guard ourselves and protect ourselves are no longer valid. what concerns should americans have about what health in this country looks like? not ten years from now, but a year from now? >> well, any hesitancy over vaccines obviously is going to, is very dangerous. it's not just they're going to ban vaccines. i don't think they can actually do that because it's up to the states to desend, to decide which vaccines they want to make available to children and which ones they want to mandate. it's the hesitancy that they will produce in millions of americans families, and frankly children will get very sick, and some children will die if

we're talking about childhood vaccines. if you want to limit or question flu vaccines, we've got lots of elderly people in this country that used to die before they got a flu vaccine. so vaccines, by the way, is the one way we save money. all the high-tech stuff tends to cost us money. vaccines not only save lives, but they save money. so it is very dangerous to have a health secretary. by the way, hsa is more than health obviously, but to have a secretary of hsa that is affecting these studies. on polio, for example, there are thousands of studies over the decades on the strength of those vaccines and the safety of those vaccines. and those studies continue to

go on. >> you have republican senators who are suppose to be the sort of final line of defense here instead, following right in line. this is from politico reporting on their conversations. these are republican senators with rfk jr. "bobby is going to get confirmed," said senator mullin of oklahoma. the more you talk to him, the more you like him. senator james lankford telling politico, he was convinced after meeting with kennedy that he would fall in line with the trump administration's abortion stance. what would it look like, madam secretary, for these republican senators to be properly pushing and questioning the incoming secretary? >> so i've listened to what they've been saying. most of them have not said they're going to vote for confirmation. i actually believe that the confirmation process will be much more rigorous than the

kinds of friendly conversations with rfkj. let's wait and see what comes out in the confirmation process. remember, it's not the health committee, it's the finance committee. and they will be much tougher, both republicans and democrats, in asking his positions and also his qualifications. after all, he has no management experience. if you look at who the republicans have appointed over the years, two governors, tommy tomson and mike levitt, and one very experienced health care management, alex cesar during the bush administration. then went to a drug company, eli lilly, headed eli lilly u.s.a., then became secretary of hss. and so this is an unusual

appointment. even if you look at it, all of us have management and experience. i ran a major research university, the university of wisconsin of madison, which hospitals and a huge healthcare system and a huge bio science enterprise. so all of us have had very different experience in rfk jr. if you listen closely to the republicans, they're saying nice things about their conversations, but let's see what they actually do when he gets cross examined and when the fbi's report comes in. so i'm not sure as other people are that he's going to be automatically confirmed. >> that's interesting. you know, i guess the question in light of all of it, madam

secretary, is how we, as citizens. i mean, we get lost in process, and we talk about the political side. but at the end of all of this are the american people who suffer or benefit from these decisions and these decision makers. if you're advising the american people, what would you be advising them right now about their health? about the fact that we have -- we've turned a very significant corner on abortion, and someone who is pro life in my philosophy. i appreciate the impact of the dobbs decision that they would have on women's independence in making decisions regarding the health. you have josh holly out here bragging about rfk is open to restricting abortion pill

access. so from issues like abortion to the how you will live out your old age in trying to combat that would take you out. sooner than you might want to go. how do you advise the american people? >> well, to communicate with their senators. this candidate sounds like he's dangerous too to our health. the hesitancy about vaccines, the reduction in the national institutes of health. by the way, chronic diseases, which rfk jr. talk. lot of the money and the number one spending is on cancer, which is a chronic disease. and nih spends a lot of money on chronic disease, but you

need the basic science to improve. it's not just nih. it's every major research, university in the country. i want to know what the senators from oklahoma and nebraska and wisconsin and michigan, how they feel about cutting up the number of jobs in the basic science and the research that's being done at their great research universities. this is a long public tradition in the united states. and it is also going to drive our economy. so they've got to, the new administration has to be very careful about what they're saying and what they're doing in terms of its impact on the economy. having more sick people in this country is not helping the economy. more importantly for those of us that are trying to keep healthy, we need these investments.

>> i hope you'll come back and join us again as we walk through the confirmation process. thank you so much for being with us. >> you're welcome. next, democrats are looking ahead after november's election loss. one of the candidates running to be a part of the dnc leadership joins us at the table right after this. you're watching the weekend. e that locks in blood and sweat while the top stays dry. keeping you up to 100% leak and odor free. see what foam can do for you. oh, it's cold outside. time to protect your vehicle from winter's wrath. of course, the hot sun can be tough on vehicles too. you need weathertech. laser measured floorliners and cargo liner will shield the carpeting from sand and snow. for your interior, there's seat protector and sunshade.

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democrats to rise like a phoenix, we need to look at more than just the outer issues such as data analysis and field organizing and fundraising. we need to transform in a way we need to reinvent the democratic party in order to counter what maga is bringing to the table. >> this week, marianne williamson became the latest candidate and first woman to jump into the race for democratic national committee chair. the former 2020 presidential candidate joins a wide field vying for the seat. the current dnc chair, jaime harrison s leaving. this comes at a time when democrats are moving past a difficult presidential election law, now beginning to focus on their party's future. joining us now is marilyn davis, who is running for secretary of the dnc. she's coming with the glasses, so i'm all in. i'm in. >> marilyn always has a good spectacle on.

>> i'm all in. >> and he does the spectacle. >> marilyn, can we just first get your -- first of all you're running for one of the most important positions, i would argue in the democratic national committee. >> one of the most important. i said one. dang. >> and so first, what is your pitch to dnc members for why you should be the secretary again. 448 people are going to make the decision. do you have any thoughts about the chair's race. there's a lot of folks that got in. we have yet to see a person of color throw their hat into the rip for dnc chairs. i vladimir putin thoughts on why, but here is yours. >> here is why i'm running, one of the most powerful positions at the dnc. one, the role of the secretary is to provide the infrastructure for the dnc leaders to engage, to

effectively communicate to state party chairs, to dnc members, to candidates, activists, and elected officials. in order for the democratic party to retain victory in all 50 states, democrats must work together. it all starts in the secretary's office. as far as the chair's race, you know, someone is going to leave the party. they're all great candidates, but we need to make sure the entire leadership team is reflective of the diversity of this country. >> and i love that. >> even marianne williamson. >> i love that. you don't need to comment on that. my question really goes to what you just described as one of the roles and responsibilities and an important role that the secretary plays, and that is communication. so how should you begin in that role to help the dnc better

communicate black-to-black women, who right now are a little bit, how should we say it, outdone, with the party. with obviously the results they put in to secure the victory. not take for granted and assume we'll get through another cycle, all is well. you start putting out pro forma conversations and talking points, blowing past the fact there are members within your ranks who are not happy. >> absolutely. i totally understand. i have to say this. i am a daughter of rural south carolina. i have worked on five presidential campaigns. i worked in corporate america from the state house to capitol hill. i am now a business owner. we need leaders who are engagement focused, who will

put people ahead of polls. and in this election, 92% of black women support the party. we're a loyal constituency. we deserve a seat at the table. and black women don't have the luxury of giving up or sitting this one out. our families are dependent on us. our communities are depending on us. we need to stay in the game and stay engaged. our futures are depending on it, redistributing money and power to the state parties. there i quote, "the association of state democratic chairs adopted a proposal this month that would give state parties 50% of all funds that national leaders raised through joint fundraising agreements with their state accounts." and "it would also dramatically increase monthly funding for state operations, while separately giving state chairs more decision-making power in national party affairs."

i wonder what you make of a strategy that puts more emphasis on state party infrastructure. >> let me say this, yesterday's dnc should not be sedated. we have to go back to the people. we have to do basic campaigning, which starts in the community. block by block, street by street, we have to be by where the people are. we cannot politic or campaign from washington, d.c. inside the beltway. the people in the beltway, they have not been in the states. they haven't been in michigan. last ten days of this election, i was in michigan, organizing, canvassing, door knocking, talking to voters. that's what we need. no one talked to them, which is why they did not come out to vote. in order for us to rebuild the party, we have to start on main street and not in dc. >> well, you know what's interesting about are what you say there, i think, marilyn.

it was reflected in a comment made by ken martin in playbook. i love this, honey i shrunk the dnc chair. "what i would say is there's no savior coming in to save the dnc. ken marty tells playbook. people have this sort of savior mentality that somehow the next dnc chair is the only person responsible for actually putting ourselves in a position to win. it's going to take all of us." that goes to how we started the conversation and the point that symone raised that you are in your role as secretary, as vital piece of this solution for the dnc as the chair is, itself, as are other officers of the party. but i would even take it a step further. this is something that's often lost in something i've focused on is national chair for the rnc is state party chairman and

women. national committee men and women. how do you see that combination. the forces coming together to right the ship, if you will? >> marilyn froze. >> oh, she froze. >> if only we would have a chairman to answer that question. >> can i just say, first of all, we're the only people highlighting all the different folks that are running for the dnc chair's race. shoutout to our booking apparatus. marilyn is back. because this is important. and i will also note that a lot of people are throwing shade at jaime harrison. but to michael's point, this current reiteration of the dnc, they gave money to state parties. but to marilyn's point, yesterday's prize ain't today's prize. it cannot be today's dnc in order to move it forward. >> i don't know if you caught all of my questions. i hope you did. the bottom line is you raised that point about there being a

bigger piece of this in the leadership. if you could very quickly, before we let you go, speak to the broadness of effort, not just with the national leadership, but also party leaderships state by state? >> again, we must bring leaders to the table who have experience organizing and communities. the office of the dnc should bring their wholesale to the table. yes, i'm running for secretary. there are specific roles for the secretary. but what i also bring to the table, i have experience working on five presidential campaigns. i have experience organizing states from michigan, florida, south carolina, new jersey, new york. and so we need leaders who from the top to the bottom, from the national level to the local level, and that's where state parties come in. they can make sure the resources get to the people, and that we are engaging the people.

we have to get back to basics here. basic campaigning, and talking to voters, where they are. that is why state parties are important in this process. >> marilyn davis may not be one of the names that people know about the democratic apparatus, but she's someone who has been doing the work for a very long time. we thank you so much for your time this morning. we got more over the weekend right after this. we'll be right back. y. find a specialized urologist who can diagnose pd and build a treatment plan with you. visit makeapdplan.com today. money is tight, so we must make sacrifices. i give up my bespoke shaving subscription. and build a treatment plan with you. and i'll stop ordering everything that's trending on instagram. and i will no longer agree to the add-ons at the oil change place just because the mechanic called me "ma'am." it really is a top-of-the-line filter, ma'am. and of course, we'll downgrade our insurance -to get a lower rate. -well, you know, you don't have to make sacrifices now that you're saving money

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little break, the beyonce bowl, getting us ready for the super bowl. just a little break in the sports and stuff. >> it's nice. >> it's nice because the politics, i understand why you are all tired. i understand. >> i have more people, i had people stopping me in certain hardware locations, which we will not give free advertising to. you know, it's like i'm exhausted. you know, i'm just tired of all of it. and i think that's true for a lot of americans. so yes, you know, watching beyonce ride in to houston stadium on a white horse, that's a good day for me. that's just for a whole lot of reasons to have nothing to do with football. that's a good day for me. and so it was just really nice this holiday to be able to break away from some of this. and i think americans are trying to find out how to do a little bit more. >> they're trying to find their

balance. >> yeah. >> which is understandable. even though, like we have to be very clear. where the people are actively tuned in every single day to the politics or not, it is still happening, right? and there are still real implications of what's going on. on christmas day, that's when the azerbaijan airline jet was downed, right? there were people on a plane on christmas day who didn't land. they didn't make it home. and so many things are happening in this world all at once. we are here able to help us discuss it and figure it out together. >> i just can't get over this guy, just dropping that he was at the handy store, handyman store. what did you call it? he said the hardware store. it is not enough to be a dj, an economist. he's the handyman. >> are you actually hanging anything up? does anybody? >> oh my god. i had to replace some showerheads, i'm working on some toilets, yeah. we've got a lot going on. brother got to go and find that

hammer because somebody's got to nail that thing to the wall. >> well, this could be a metaphor or something else. so please, please. >> take us out. >> we've got more of whatever this is up next, so stick around. coming up on velshi, we will speak to congressman barbara lee. her push to get president biden to exonerate marcus garvey. that is 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. mom where's my homework? mommy! hey hun - sometimes, you just need a moment.

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. that does it for "the weekend" this saturday morning. we will see you back here tomorrow 8:00 a.m. eastern where we'll talk to congresswoman jasmine crockett, david hogg and more. velshi with guest host charles coleman continues our coverage. >> santa. >> we were talking about your santa suit. first of all, we will have to send you in the group chat what michael is laughing about, but we were talking about your santa suit. y'all know charles went on tv in the whole santa suit? >> he has more than one, doesn't he? >> i have three. the legend of the santa suit has grown. i have business santa, i have actual santa, and i have something in between. the legend has grown. >> what is an in between santa? >> that's the club