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year, in the early days of 2024, as donald trump vanquished his republican primary opponents, one of the big questions hanging over the race was whether or not donald trump was even eligible to run for president. multiple lawsuits argued that trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election were wholly disqualifies under section 3 of the 14th amendment. and for a very brief moment, a few states successfully removed trump from their primary ballot. but that was until march. when the supreme court ruled unanimously against them. it was just one in a series of consequential rulings that benefited trump. chief among them the court's july decision on presidential immunity. that decision which determined presidents are immune from prosecution for any official acts, that decision effectively delayed the start of trump's federal criminal trials until

after the election. it ensured trump would not face legal consequences for trying to overturn the 2020 election until voters headed to the polls in this election, in 2024. and oh, what an election it was. the sitting president dropped out of the race and endorsed his vice president as the democratic nominee. meanwhile, the republican nominee survived one assassination attempt in pennsylvania. and then, he survived another near assassination attempt in florida. then, after all that, americans in each of the seven swing states chose to return the 45th president to the white house. >> i want to thank the american people for the extraordinary honor of being elected your 47th president and your 45th president. america has given us an

unprecedented and powerful mandate. i will govern by a simple motto. promises made, promises kept. nothing will stop me from keeping my word to you, the pop, we will make america safe, strong, prosperous, powerful and free again. >> in light of trump's victory in november, the federal and state criminal cases against trump have all either been dropped or suspended indefinitely. in other words, trump's delay tactics worked but the fact remains donald trump is the first and only american president to be a convicted felon. but also in a few weeks on january 20th, 2025, donald trump will reenter the white house emboldened. he famously said he would not be a dictator except for day one. and on that first day, we will very likely see the start of a

sweeping conservative agenda, carrying out the largest mass deportation in american history. hardening the january 6th rioters and reshaping the federal government by firing potentially thousands of career government employees. trump's plans will be assisted in large part by republican majorities in both the house and the senate. and he will have a group of hard core loyalists. whether or not all of his picks gain confirmation remains an open question. but it certainly seems possible that people including pete hegseth, kash patel, pam bondi and robert f. kennedy jr. will be running key parts of the government. so how do we or gent ourselves headed into 2025? we can we expect? joining me now, claire mccaskal and john allen. great to have both of you wise

people here. sage people claire, you know. i wonder. you have been through trump one. and i wonder how you are thinking about the dawn of trump 2. and whether some of these very big promises, bigger than the promises he made the first time around will be executed on. >> last time he said he would build a wall and make mexico par for it. he said he was going to end obama care and reduce the deficit. no. there are few promises he kept in the first administration except cutting taxes for wealthy folks and he managed to do that with a republican only vote in the senate. and also in the house. he has promised a mass

deportation. that is way harder than it looks and i don't think a huge chunk of the folks who voted for him will like where that looks. he says he will take off taxes of social security. and all kinds of things that blow up the deficit. and i don't see that there is any way that congress will be sitting next year with a very slim margin in the house. and only a four-vote leeway in the senate will do the things that he promised. so i will tell you right now, promises made, promises broken. >> yeah. john, from the pair buckle brawl that is partisan politics, how do you see trump's chances getting any of the signature proposals run through the bureaucracy and the reality of congress? washington dc is not called the swamp for no reason. but i mean, you know, trump's grip may be tighter around the

gop. they have very, very narrow majorities. >> you are right to refer to the senator as wise and sage. the republican party and the house has basically no margin for error. you have seen president-elect trump now basically take people from the house making that harder to get things through the house. so that will be the biggest challenge. of course, the senate rules do allow for something. they allow for something called budget reconciliation. i think you will see trump try to put together a reconciliation package that will largely be tax cuts. with an effort to get it through the house and to the senate. in reconciliation, you only need 50 senate votes. in others, you need 60 so

that's the first thing folks should look at. a lot of the things he wants to do will blow up the deficit. in theory it is intended to balance the budget. close the deficit. in reality it has been used for the exact opposite. it is not clear what he would do to offset that. i know elon musk is looking at government programs he thinks he can cut. i don't think the votes will be there for anything close to what you need to offset what the plans do to the deficit. >> i look at the landscape and i see chaos. you have republican senators up for reelection. you have elon musk and vivek ramaswamy now in the mix. literally dictating maneuvers

in the house and the senate. this requires someone in the white house who can manage warring factions and trump's behavior up until this point has not been to manage warring factions but to pit people against each other. that might be interesting from a narrative point of view but from government point of view, seems like he is sets himself up for disappointment. what are your hopes for the senate being a source of potential mediation in all this? >> there is a song in the music man about trouble. and it says t that rhymes with p. and in that instance, that stands for primaries. so, what you are talking about is who in the senate that is a republican is so worried about a primary that they will do things that will get them in

trouble in the general? people need to remember there are still states who will elect a republican or a democrat in the senate. pennsylvania is a good example. north carolina not too long ago. ohio who just turned over a seat by a pretty narrow margin. and utah where trump has never been the end all be all. so you look at the senators, how long is it until they run, how worried are they about a primary and how much can they stand up to trump? but the thing that will be the most interesting is the clash of the titans. trump versus musk. trump loves debt. his entire career has been about debt. and musk is busy acting like some richest man in the world from the sidelines is going to

somehow dictate to the members of congress what they do. there will be a blowup there and i can't wait to watch it. >> you are already popping the jiffy pop. elon musk is acting in a more prominent role in terms of hill negotiations than even jd vance, the former senator. elon musk has no governing experience. he is out-dictating fiscal policy and legislative priorities. i guess i wonder from your vantage point how long you think that lasts and what you see in the strange for lack of a better term love triangle between jd vance, elon musk and donald trump. how feasible is that in the long term? >> a couple of things. when elon musk thinks he is

president musk, that will be a problem. he doesn't see room for another alpha male. so that seems like a collision course. number two, elon musk does not have governing experience and you have to look at his twitter feed to see some of the things he has suggested and vivek ramaswamy suggested that are not only non-starters but the kind of things that would become a political disaster for any of the members of congress voting for them. so when they start to understand how government works, perhaps they will adjust a little bit and figure out what they can and can't do. elon musk has been given the head position or co- chairmanship i guess with vivek ramaswamy of a blue ribbon commission. and the senator can tell you

how much power they have in congress. to my experience, the answer is none. obviously, those suggests will be taken seriously. but it will be difficult to get votes for an entire package and piecemeal. >> there is also the question of how useful the cabinet agencies may be in carrying out parts of trump's agenda. on that note, i wonder what you make of the picks trump has launched into the stratosphere. does it help him to have someone like pete hegseth at the defense department when he wants to weaponnize the american military against u.s. citizens or does it hurt him given the fact pete hegseth has literally no experience managing a bureaucracy that size? buzz it help him that tulsi gabbard may be a dni or does it hurt him given that neither one

of them has managed a bureaucracy that size? >> i don't think they will all get through. it only takes four. and, some of these folks, like tulsi gabbard, her meetings with people who are steeped in the intelligence community in washington have not gone well. she appears ill prepared. she doesn't really understand how the intelligence community works. she has been flat footed about her love affair for assad. in syria who we now know we are finding the mass graves of his citizens he has killed. so, i don't think they will all make it. and the other chance that people are taking voting for these folks, will they face plant? will they be able to execute? trump is doing something that

is not uncommon. yes, he won the swing states but he didn't get 50% of the vote. and he will overreach here he thinks everybody who voted for him likes him. there's a huge chunk who thought maybe the price of ground beef and milk and eggs will come down if he is president and he has that over his shoulder. the economy. and the tariffs he is proposing, the other things he is proposing, that is not a way to get to a place to bring down inflation so it will be interesting to see whether or not the democrats can stand up to him in a way they speak to voters instead of talking about him. a heaping dose of real talk from claire and john. thank you guys both for joining me on this special evening. i wish you happy holidays. lots of rest for the months and years to come. thanks my friends. >> happy holidays. still to come, how donald trump's love of crypto could make some rich folks even

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during his first term in the white house, president trump delivered for the anti- abortion movement. he appointed the three conservative supreme court justices key to overturn roe v. wade. now those activists are ready to hand the incoming president a new to do list. one of their top asks is outlawing medication abortion. her is what trump had to say about that during his first post election interview on meet the press. >> will you restrict the ability of abortion pills in

office? >> probably i will say exactly what i have been saying the last two years and the answer is no. >> you commit to that? >> things change? i think they change. i don't like putting myself in a position like that. so things do change but i don't think it will change at all. >> i don't think it's going to change at all. but also things do change. access to abortion pills remains a live issue. three states filed a lawsuit against the fda for effort to restrict mifepristone. joining me, minnie, thank you for being here as we try to peer into the magic 8 ball to understand what is ahead of us as a country. the first question i have for you is the states who are trying to sue the fda over mifepristone. what makes that movement meaningfully different than the last effort to do basically the

same thing that ended up with the supreme court rejecting the plaintiff's argument saying you guys don't have standing to sue here? how is this different and could it be more successful? >> yeah. i think the biggest difference is we don't have a biden administration to defend an fda and their decisions and we don't have a biden administration fda mime. not only do we not have friends who will protect access to medication for abortion, we will have embedded in hhs, in fda, a team of folks on the same side as the folks suing the fda. that is deeply problematic. the fda is supposed to be above politics but we know. we know the play book from project 2025 and we know based on these nominees trump is putting forward and folks he is surrounding himself with, they have every intent at pursuing this agenda. i think it is so interesting,

however, that donald trump himself understands extremely well how deeply unpopular that agenda is which is why that meet the press interview is so interesting and why he is so careful not to commit one way or the other. the majority of americans including the ones who voted for him support unfettered access to abortion including medication abortion and that it is popular and the most widely used form of abortion in this country. >> and i think that political reality is interesting. things don't change. things do change. but this won't change. just keeping the door flapping open in the wind. open to whatever may happen. it think it put his fda in the hot seat if they are not the ones who don't argue against a ban on abortion and puts the supreme court in the hot seat. and puts them in the position

of once again outlawing abortion. that medication abortion is the most common method of abortion in the united states. i know what you think about trump and the fda but i wonder how you think of the court and whether there is anything that might suggest they would be hesitant to do the thing that has tarnished their reputation in the eyes of some. >> the court kicked the can down the road. they left the door open for anti-abortion extremists to file a different kind of case with more credibility. i'm very concerned about this court. this is the same court as you pointed out that overturned roe v. wade. the court that did not equivocate specifically on this issue. they left it to standing which frankly the lower court should have in the first place on standing. but, yes. the fda should be independent agency.

there is a chance the administration and the folks in it will decide to allow 20 plus years of fda approved medication to stand. i'm skeptical about the court. that said, we absolutely have to continue to build public awareness. we ran a multiplatform campaign educating american voters about the importance of medication abortion. that is what we are poised to do again. it matters when the public raises awareness and consciousness and i hope the court is watching because as you noted, they have never been less popular in this country and overturning roe was a terrible precedent to set for so many issues that trump and the gop are trying to avoid. being tagged with. >> you know, i wonder independent of this particular effort to ban medication abortion, there is also state level efforts like the one undertaken by texas attorney general ken paxton who is suing

a new york doctor for unlawfully providing abortion inducing drugs to texas residents which is in direct violation of state law. basically, this new york doctor is part of a group that mails abortion medication to women in red states who cannot access it themselves. there are shield laws in eight states that protect those doctors. from doing what they think is medically necessary for these women. but it does, you know, it is a challenge between effectively red states and blue states. red states saying that's not legal here. don't send the medications here. blue states saying this is what is in the best interest of women. what do you think happens to an effort like that? there is the chilling effect it could have on doctors who want to do what they think is the right thing for these women. >> it is the chilling effect. but it is also an opportunity for them much like they did on

immigration and busing immigrants to other states. they are trying to make the case that something is wrong with doctors from one state taking care of patients from another. they know medication abortion is popular. it is very easy to access. that it is a back door. it is a way around abortion bans in red states and they have absolutely no interest in having their constituents have access to that care from any place else. these doctors, they are putting their careers on the line to take care of patients from other states. what i think is really interesting in a story that i would like our side to do a better job of telling and we will be talking about it a lot the next coming year is the success story of blue states. the fact that california, new york, so many places have these fantastic shield laws. that they have supportive governors, legislatures, attorneys general. california and new york have codified protections in their constitution. they are providing safe haven for these folks to cross over and get this care.

this is how we will survive the next couple of years before we can restore access and these folks are heros. i want to talk about how the blue states are leading the way protecting our fundamental freedoms while the red states are continuing to do what the mayorty of americans do not accept. hold these women contactive if their states. restricting them from bodily autonomy and care. >> we are getting to where you have to have sanctuary states for women's reproductive health care. thanks for spending a little of this holiday season with me. i appreciate your time. >> happy holidays. still to come, the cruelty is the point for trump 2.0. but the resistance is already beginning. plus, how donald trump's crypto boosting could make some of his biggest financial supporters very, very rich. that's next. supporters very, very rich. that's next. protect against rsv with arexvy.

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maybe we'll pay off the $35 trillion. i'll write it on a little piece of paper. >> in a lead up to the election, donald trump really did say he wants to pay down the national debt using crypto currency. now his wild crypto fantasies might become reality. as the atlantic writes there is speculation he could make good on a strategic reserve of bitcoins in the u.s. which could involve the federal government buying them every year using the country's gold reserves. for large crypto holders, this would be an incredible scheme. a wealth transfer from the government to crypto whales. seems like a pretty crazy thing to do. not least because crypto currency claims to be all about creating money that does not

rely on the u.s. government. but it makes sense when you understand crypto currency not as a new technology or the symbol of some online libertarian movement but an industry rife with specklators. whether trump understands crypto beyond the basic notion that it is a good way to win votes and get rich off the backs of his most fanatical supporters is not clear. but the alliance between trump and the crypto constituency makes sense philosophically. trump is corrupt. and he loves money. joining me now is the author of that piece. charlie, i'm such a fan of your writing and this piece in particular was very helpful for me and i'm sure many ore people who read it to understand the handshake between maga and crypto. can you elaborate on the the antiinstitutional bent and why

there is so much kinship between these two worlds? >> there's a lot of synergy here. crypto seems like a technology built for the way donald trump likes to conduct business. off the books. and sort of nakedly financial. like greed is good in the crypto world. but it is an anti-institutional technology. that's the way it was created. to take the middleman out. take away the banks and the government and the oversight and the regulation and all those institutional guardrails that protect people but also leave people out of the

financial system. people who are into crypto are into that anti- institutionallistic movement. maga is full of people distrustful of elites and they like the idea of this. so this culture has a real overlap. >> nothing says anti- institutional like the u.s. president creating a strategic bit coin reserve built on gold. what? with we talk about the irony of using federal gold reserves to buy a strategic bitcoin reserve? the idea of crypto is it is outside the government. so do we need to worry about a crypto cache? and will the public care?

>> it is hypocrital, but also very alarming. who is to say if he is not just paying a lot of lip service to the people who put a lot of faith in him. i think what is really alarming about this is the fact that this would be a wealth transfer from the federal government to the people who currently hold a lot of bitcoin. the government would be buying bitcoin from these people. and every year it would buy about 2,000 bitcoins. every year it did that. that purchase would drive the price of bitcoin up. making it so the next year when the government was buying those reserves, it would cost the government more money, they would be getting a worse price. and the side of the corruption element of that, you have this idea of the government with the strategic reserve with the most volatile currency that has ever existed. it is a very alarming thing for

our global financial system to be e emeshed in this technology. >> taking crypto bros and making them richer year over year is not something that the quote unquote working class agenda of maga would tolerate. right? in theory, it is such an obvious transfer of wealth. like many other trump policies to the richest again and again and again. one would think there would be political fall-out from that. >> when i put this, all this stuff the trump policies. just the notion that you know, crypto has enriched a certain set of people who have become important political donors to this researcher, molly white who studies crypto currencies. and, you know, the volatile effects. what she said to me is very striking. there is this anti- institutional authority adopted

by these folks. once they get the power or the influence. they say we want to be the authority. that's what we are trying to see here. with if these trump proposals go through. i think what will happen is it will be a new set of authority. and it will be the people who are rich from this particular asset. >> i mean. charlie, it's a great piece. i'm a big fan of your writing. everybody should go read it. it is important perspective for the coming months and years. thank you for your time in this busy holiday season. i appreciate it. still to come, trump is vowing to use more inhumane tactic to expel undocumented immigrants during his second term in office. what groups that successfully

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in american history and the battle could be one of epic proportions. >> thank you for having me. yes, trump starts talking about criminals and then immediately moves to talking about deporting 20 million people which is in fact double the estimated number of people who are actually undocumented in our country. and the aclu has been preparing on three fronts. first of course, our litigation front. during trump's first administration, the aclu filed more than 400 legal actions against the trump administration and was successful in many of them, even arguing before trump appointed judges so we are confidence in our litigation team's prowess and ability to meet this moment. second is what we are calling our firewall for freedom. this is an effort we are doing

with our affiliates. the aclu has an affiliate in every single state in this country. those affiliates have close relationships with their governors. their attorneys general. the legislature. the mayors in cities. we have been working together to build out a firewall to precautioned people's rights and liberties at the state and city level and finally l are our millions of grass roots supporters. all across the country. we have been holding trainings. we have hundreds of people coming to these weekly trainings to learn about what we can anticipate from a trump administration and get ready to fight back. >> can you talk about the states and the firewalls? the firewalls of freedom? what does that mean when you say you are partnering with states? i assume most of them are blue states. is that advising them on how to create bull works against

trump's most draconian policies? >> on a practical level, it's giving them the tools they need to resist. to say no, our state or our city's resources are not going to be used to carry out your undemocrattic political plan. whatever it might be. to violate people's rights. states do not have an obligation to take their state resources whether it is police or national guard or proprietary personal information about their residents and use it in service of trump's political agenda. they are under no obligation to do that and we are helping them have to tools to not do that. >> states right is now a liberal cause. i do wonder, you mentioned the aclu has had success arguing its cases even before trump's appointed judges. how are you thinking about the supreme court where so many of these high profile pieces of litigation end up now that there is a strong conservative

majority that has handed trump real wins this year? how are you looking at that as the final end game to a lot of this? >> first of all, hardly any cases go to the supreme court. it is less than 1% of all cases that go to the supreme court. so many, many, many cases are decided in lower courts but yes. the supreme court has a mixed record. and i think we really have seen in the aftermath of the dobbs decision, a real disappointment with how politicized the court has been. we see courts as an important piece of protecting democracy. we still argue in front of the supreme court and we still expect a fair hearing. >> well listen, all i know is we are going to be looking toward you for a lot of information. i think there are a lot of americans looking for pushback. it's great to hear how you guys

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one final note before we say goodnight. putting this show together would not be possible without all the ridiculously smart and talented people who work behind the scenes. they are also quite nice.

here are the wonderful people who every week bring you alex wagner tonight and the rachel maddow show. roll them! ♪ ♪

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♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ good evening and welcome to a special holiday edition of "the last word," with every