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begins. the first question before the newly elected congress will be will mike johnson be the speaker of the house? >> how much confidence do you have you have have theless votes to retain the gavel? >> we'll get this done. i'm honored and humbled to have president trump's endorsement for the role again and the leaders across the republican party. all my colleagues. we will get this done. we live in serious times. we cannot afford any palace drama here. >> he is super right about living in very serious times. tomorrow is almost bound to be filled with palace drama and it will be televised. most of the year, only the cameras run by the house itself are allowed into the house chamber which is why no matter how dramatic the issue being discussed, footage of congress
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almost always looks like this. however, tomorrow, c-span will be allowed to bring its cameras in to film hour it likes. you might remember how it took kevin mccarthy 15 votes to win the speaker's gavel. you saw a lot of images like this c-span gave us this footage. that's one reason why tomorrow might be a bit more dramatic than speaker johnson would like it to be. but there is another reason and it's this. >> it's a numbers game. we have the smallest margin in u.s. history. can only afford to lose one and two. >> in 2023, when kevin mccarthy had to suffer through 15 rounds of voting to get barely enough to get his hands on the speaker's gavel, mccarthy could afford to lose four republican
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votes. tomorrow, johnson can only afford the lose one. he said two, but it's how the math works. basically, if any two republicans vote against him, he loses. now i understand math a little bit but this seems like more than one. >> he can only afford to lose one republican vote. thomas masse has already said he will not vote for johnson. >> why have you not committed to johnson? >> i look at people's track record and unfortunately, we will not be able to deliver on president trump's agenda because it has to be done legislatively. >> i remain undecided as do a number of my colleagues because we saw so many of the failures last year.
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>> nothing can be done in the new congress until a speaker is chosen. it cannot swear in new members or pass legislation or certify donald trump's election victory. electing a speaker of the house on day one is supposed to be a formality, not hard so this fight doesn't bode well for the ability of this incoming congress to govern. last year's republican controlled house could only pass a bill to fund the government through march 14th. we could already be headed to another government shutdown. that is unless republicans can get their act together and that doesn't seem likely. so what role do democrats play in this new congress and how should the democratic party respond to the republican party which for the moment seems to be eating itself alive? joining us now is the congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas. congresswoman, good to see you.
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thank you for being with us again. this begs the question. for democrats who tend to be disciplined about this stuff. certainly the last time around every time kevin mccarthy was trying to get an election, everybody voted for hakeem jeffries on the democratic side. that will happen as well. but at what point do democrats feel any responsibility or compulsion to get involved and is a all right, at some point, the work of the people has to get done and you all aren't doing it? >> in my opinion, that point will not be reached. they have talked about how that there is a mandate and this country issued a mandate for the republicans to run something. so go ahead and run what y'all going to run. but if it is all about y'all. and you have a trump trifecta,
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you work this out. we'll sit on 2 sidelines and eat our popcorn. >> as you are eating that popcorn because tomorrow could be a long day. what does it look like to you? what does success look like to you? there is the business of oven governing that has to get done. what are you looking to see happen tomorrow? what are you most interested in? >> honestly, i'm not that concerned about january 6th. my candidate didn't win. if it gets delayed i'm okay with that. what i'm interested in seeing is how savvy his right flank will be if they actually will go ahead and extract blood the same way they extract it out of mccarthy. that's how we got back to putting chip roy on rules along with a few other people that have blown things up and made it very difficult for any
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speaker to actually conduct their business. they have had to take up things like continuing resolutions on suspension in addition to that, i'm curious to see if they get him back down to that one speaker vote. to vacate the speaker. right now, it will take a lot of people and they have to come from the republican side which is very interesting. we have never seen that. not that the democrats have ever moved to vacate the speaker anyway. their speaker has always been vacated by someone on their said. but i think they will extract a little bit of blood out of mike johnson. this is really a matter of who can hold out the longest. but considering the fact that trump went crawling to chip
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roy, it's funny. here it is. he has threatened chip roy a number of times and chip roy always stands up to him. and now, it is trump that is calling championship roy begging for a vote. >> he tends to beat everybody who runs against him. if trump goes against him and he loses 30 points, still wins the primary and still wins the election. so it is interesting to see how that all goes down. there are a couple of things coming up. there is the issue of the debt ceiling which donald trump has flip-flopped on in the past. now he wants something done with it. what are the priorities as democrats that you are looking at? what are the things you would like to see done that your
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participation can get done? >> i don't think mike johnson will ever be able to guarantee his entire caucus. he couldn't do it when he had a larger majority. so bipartisanship looks like making sure the priorities of the democrats which are the priorities of everyday working folk, making sure that we have, you know, obviously, there was the fight about the funding for child cancer research. making sure that we are protecting social security, medicaid, medicare. making sure we are taking care of americans is what we want to do. what we are not looking forward to is them ramming through the trump tax scam again. the cuts expire in 2025. that is why he wanted the debt ceiling raised. this is where we will be able to use our leverage knowing they only have a two seat majority. they will only be allowed to lose one vote on anything they want to pass through the house.
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>> are there circumstances you can see where mike johnson reaches to hakeem jeffries and says we have things needing to get done? >> i mean, he may reach. but let me tell you, he will feel these reaches because when he allowed elon musk and vivek ramaswamy to jump on social media and blow up what have been you know, days and months long negotiations between democrats and republicans and you allow a tweet to blow it up, the only currency we have as lawmaker is our word. so if you will not honor your word because somebody sends out a tweet, that is no way to government and we cannot trust you. democrats couldn't trust mccarthy. nor could his own party trust him. so he got kicked out. i think mike johnson is in a pickle.
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if he had pushed forward as negotiated he would be in a position to say if i have a problem, can you help me out? but he is not in that position now. >> congresswoman jasmine crockett. thank you for joining us. she is from texas. i want to bring in brandon buck. good to see you again. this is tricky, because even if mike johnson becomes speaker tomorrow, there is a problem, once you are a speaker with that many threats or defacters what you are able to do as speaker is limited. >> there is not even the promises they have to make, but the realities of governing that makes it very difficult. you have to fund the government
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and the debt limit and republicans have shown they are not able to do that on their own so every time you have to go over and work with democrats. they can blame the speaker all they want. all day long you can blame the speaker but unless there are 218 republicans willing to vote for something that can get through the united states senate, you will not advance any priorities and we have had this mindset that there is no incremental win. there is only perfect or nothing. it is, for people like me who have been doing this for a while, there is this crazy cycle. you learn we are only making policy more progressive. not conservative when we have to turn to the party every time. but that lesson never seem to be learned and we are setting others up for that once again. it is still going to be the
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same story come march and this summer when they have to do the debt limit. >> so you do know the story particularly well. you understand exactly how this works. what is the solution? is it something mike johnson can do? is it something donald trump can do? is it helped by elon musk being out of the picture? is it a different speaker? what exactly, how do you get out of this pickle? >> i'm not sure there is an easy solution, but i think it comes down to donald trump. donald trump is the only person in this party who can at least use the megaphone or the political capital that he has to try to talk sense into people. when i was there, donald trump can be talked rationally to and he has people around him who understand some of these same
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dynamics. it's the same reason he is supporting mike johnson. he knows that there is no better solution here. and he knows that all they are doing is creating chaos. so when we get to march or have to increase the debt limit, only he can convince people they are hurting donald trump and the conservative cause by rejecting reasonable achievable things. putting too much stock in donald trump is not a great idea because he is pretty erratic but there is no solution from leadership. at least not my perspective. it seems like it will require failing a few more times before we learn this lesson. >> they are changing the rule on how to vacate the speakership. but decide that, no one in the
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republican party are giving mike johnson anything for free. so they will extract something else and he seems to be willing to say i'll give up something to make this less tumultuous. that's a danger. when you go back to the days you were advising speakers, that is the danger. when you weaken the role of the speaker these things happen. >> and you recall when paul ryan came in, he was drafted to be speaker and they were trying to make a lot of the same demands to him an he said no thanks. if you don't want me to do this job, i won't do it. the problem is i don't think anybody in this position is able to make these demands and get these votes with the small majority we had. the small majority, the narrow majority makes a huge difference. let's remember, though, kevin mccarthy also had changed the rule to change the motion to vacate. at the last minute, he had to negotiate that and gave it away. i'm not so certain that mike
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johnson won't have to give it away as well and be back in the same situation kevin mccarthy was in and a single member of the house can trigger the vote. it only takes three or four to kick you out. you will never be able to govern effectively. for some of these people, here's the problem, it works for them. it works for chip roy to have this chaos as long as he looks like he's the pure one. they are never conservative enough for me. it looks good for you. >> when you are chip roy and win the way you win, i guess nothing else really matters to you. thanks a lot brendan. brendan buck is a former speaker to john boehner and paul ryan. we have much more to get to like how donald trump failed three key leadership tests in the first new hours of the new year. i will bring you the latest on the deadly new year's attacks in las vegas and new orleans. that's next. and new orleans.
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all right, tonight, we are learning new details regarding two separate and deadly new year's day attacks. in new orleans, local and federal officials are working to uncover the motive of the man who intentionally drove a pickup truck into pedestrians celebrating on bourbon street. at least 14 people were killed
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and 30 injured. the suspect, a texas native and army veteran named shamsud din jabbar died in a shoot-out with police. they are investigating this as an act of terrorism when they discovered a black isis flag attached to his vehicle. in las vegas, officials announced they found a passport and other identification belonging to this man. matthew alan livelsberger. the documents were found at the scene where a makeshift bomb exploded inside a tesla cyber truck that had stopped in front of the trump international hotel. officials say they recovered a body from the cyber truck that was burned beyond recognition. and had sustained an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head shortly before the explosion. investigators are still awaiting dna confirmation of the body's identity. they were affiliated with the
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u.s. military. both served at fort bragg and did tours in afghanistan. both men rented from the same car company, but as federal officials including president biden have repoeted today, the attacks at this stage appear to be unrelated. >> we are also continuing to investigate whether or not there is any connection between the new orleans attack and the explosion in las vegas. as of now, as of now, there they have not found any evidence of such a connection thus far. >> and our tom winter has reported the fbi has found what it has described as the remnants of bomb making in the home of shamsud din jabbar in houston, texas. you saw him on the screen now, collin clark is the director of research. the author of after the caliphate. thank you for being with us, let's start with the connection
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or lack there of between these two guys. there are some similarities. a lot of people have not rented a car using turo. you can rent someone else's personal car. not like hertz. they both used it as the app. both of them had served time in the military and at fort bragg though there was no overlap between them. both of them in afghanistan. a lot of people rent cars and serve in afghanistan t. a lot of people in fort bragg. no one seems to be saying there is any connection between these two. do you know otherwise? >> no, at this point, it seem to be just a very kind of odd and eerie coincidence. you know, veteran, radicalization is nothing new. the fact people have rented cars to conduct attacks also not new. we will see what is inearthed after the digital forensics are
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scrubbed. maybe there is something there, but nothing jumps out to me as of now. linking the two in any tangible way. >> let's talk about the new orleans suspect. the fbi says he was 100% inspired by isis. the question here, and they also say he acted alone. the question is what is isis now? when one says inspired by isis, is there about isis that is meaningfully operating now? or is this a guy who finds their stuff inspiring? >> this is a conversation you and i have had going back years really. what's the state of the islamic state? i wrote just last week a piece in the times about the isis resurgence. space to maneuver in syria. isis is on the upswing.
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in somalia, isis k was active. so this is a group that is looking to resurge. and with that resurgence comes a proliferation of propaganda. they really know how to produce propaganda that resonates with their supporters. this will be used as proof of concept. we will see them flooding the zone with more propaganda attempting to push others to follow suit and commit an act of terrorism. >> the isis we all came to know paid people as if they were soldiers. is the isis today that sort of organization or is it the kind of thing that influences people and causes them to use their
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power, their rental cars and money to do their things? >> at present it is the latter. it is highly decentralized. but isis, when you look at its affiliates, its branches and franchise groups. this is a group that is the sum of its parts is greater than the whole. when it is experiencing success in some parts of the world as it has lately, it plays on those. for the islamic state, success is sexy and that draws in more recruits. there is a whole eco system. what we call cheer leaders and fan boys. they have been commenting and praising the attacker, trying to push overs that might be on the cusp of doing something over the edge to commit similar acts. >> driving cars into groups and we saw this in germany
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recently. hard to figure out when someone is going to do that. there are ways to control the access of vehicles, new orleans had some of the bollards that were not deployed in the right place. in this particular case in new orleans, they found two coolers containing nails. as tom winter just reported they described finding rem announceds of bomb making in the home of shamsud din jabbar in houston. talk to me about the intelligence gathering that can stand in the way of this happening in the future. are we any better at knowing that someone can make explosive devices or is that rudimentary stuff that is hard to catch? >> there is a saying. the irish army said this in 1984 after it nearly killed margaret thatcher. they essentially said, you have to be lucky all the time. we only have to be lucky once.
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we have world class counterterrorism agencies. people who are dedicated to keeping us safe and they largely do a good job. it is impossible to bat a thousand when it comes to this. terrorism is a tactic and it will not be defeated. i always thought the global war on terrorism really did us a disservice because a war ends, a war against an army or a nation state. terrorism is not going away. it is really about mitigating this and i think there will be, and rightfully so, a comprehensive after action result, not just in new orleans, but in cities across the country to figure out how we can shore up glaring vulnerabilities and prevent this from happening again. and there are a number of steps we can take to do that. >> colin, good to see you, thank you for joining us, colin clark is the director of research. we appreciate your time tonight. still ahead, in just 18 days, donald trump will become the leader of the free world once again. but with anti-democratic movements on the rise, what kind of world awaits trump?
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a.m. eastern time yesterday morning. he wrote when i said that the criminals coming in are far worse than the criminals we have in our country, that statement was constantly refuted by democrats and the fake news media. but it turned out to be true. the crime rate in our country is at a level that no one has ever seen before. end quote. he went onto offer his condolences to the victims and praise new orleans' law enforcement but everything that came before that little bit is pure misinsinewlation, the alleged killer is a natural born u.s. citizen and veteran. in one missive he flunked three important tests. first, he flunked the test of accuracy. pushing misinformation within hours of a deadly attack. second, he flunked a test of decency trying to exploit an ugly agenda and then a test of credibility reminding everyone anew that when tragedy strikes,
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americans can't count on the incoming president for reliable and trustworthy information. joining us now is tim miller, he is a resident of new orleans where he is joining us from now. tim, good to see you, thank you for joining us. there's a lot here. some of us don't turn to social media for our news and information anyway. and many don't turn to the president for news and information. used to be it was important. in this particular case, trump had nothing of value. and in fact, it was the opposite. i don't know if that means anything to anybody anymore. does it matter that he posted misinformation about a serious terrorist attack? >> i do think it is still important. the one thing i do agree with the president-elect is the praise for local law enforcement. the way they sprung into action
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on bourbon street the other night was extremely impressive and brave. everything else in that was wrong. and there are a lot of practical reasons why this stuff matters. people do get information on social media. sometimes there is reason for people in public positions of public trust to give out information that is not fully developed. in this case, there were concerns there might be ieds in other places in the french quarter so during the press conference, the fbi and the governor were speaking about that. and that was important for those of us who live here to know there is maybe still risk out there. turned out that was not the case. thank god. but sometimes there is reason to put out half information. there is never reason to smear random groups of people based
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on false information to advance a political agenda. reports about the car maybe having crossed the border so immediately he starts using this horrible deadly attack before we even know the names of the victims to advance his hateful political agenda against migrants and it is horrific and i think that it actually does matter because in these moments, there are some people turning to him and social media for information and that matters in these moments. >> back in 2016 or so, we all didn't like the idea that social media might be the head of the snake. but they made noises about not doing so. and that is largely gone now. and donald trump has his own
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platform to distribute stuff. so we are not even together on the idea this shouldn't happen. >> for sure, we have gone the other way. zuckerberg, facebook, this was something in 2016 they were very concerned about. and, you know, now, they have completely backtracked. they said their biggest mistake was too much moderation during covid. obviously, elon musk has bought twitter and false information is thriving on that platform. so, no. we do not have those common areas of facts. the common desire to want to only have facts out there. but i don't think just because that is our reality, we throw up our hands and say whatever,
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the president-elect is out there spreading lies about a terror attack. and naming a different group of people and different individual or imagined individual as the perpetrator. we have to speak clearly about what these problems are. he won the election. because the social media oligarchs have decided they don't want to do anything does not mean that we just have to descend into dystopia and accept it. especially in these moments of tragedy. >> there was something else happening today. the president awarded the presidential citizens medal to a few people including a number of people. all very worthy. but a couple in particular. liz cheney and benny thompson. donald trump has specifically targeted liz cheney. said hateful things about her. includeing the fact she should be jailed and that's the least of what he said about her.
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talk to me about this. they did something they believe was in the interest of the preservation of this republic. she decided the rule of law is the rule of law and we have to be subject to it. talk to me about what you saw in that today. >> yeah. look. i think that liz cheney would tell you herself she would have rather defeated donald trump and had that been her reward than received this medal. but i think it still shows the sitting president still desires to reach out to people both parties to recognize people. even people they recognize for their courage. and the other thing liz cheney would tell you, i think i can speak for her on this. the people that really deserve
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recognition for their bravery that day, january 6th, are the officers circling back to what we said. the law enforcement that did their work in bourbon street. and the law enforcement that did their work to protect our capital and defend themselves against the rioters that donald trump incited on january 6th, 2021. >> tim, good to see you as always. i hope everybody in your community is faring better after the horrific incidents over the last couple of days. tim miller is the host of the bull work podcast. still to come, what the upcoming administration could mean for growing anti- democracy, anti-liberal movement overseas. one of the late former president jimmy carter's most impressive achievements. stay with us. impressive achievements. stay with us. insurance so i saved hundreds. with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. cool right? look at this craftmanship. i mean they even got my nostrils right. it's just nice to know that years after i'm gone this guy will be
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but the real mystery was her irritated skin. so, we switched to tide free & gentle. it cleans better, and doesn't leave behind irritating residues. and it's gentle on her skin. tide free and gentle liquid is epa safer choice certified. it's gotta be tide. an interesting thing happened when 2024 turned into 2025. it marked the end of russia's ability to send natural gas through a maze of pipelines that criss-crossed ukraine. the soviet union and then russia used that network of pipelines to export natural gas to europe for decades but now after giving european countries time to diversify their natural gas sources, ukraine has finally turned off the tap along with russia's ability to use energy to drive a wedge between ukraine and any potential european allies. the move comes as the two countries are on track to mark the third anniversary of russia's full scale invasion of ukraine next month. meanwhile, the new term begins
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amid a continued anti-western and anti-liberal drift. georgia, former soviet republic has elected a new pro putin president whose ruling party put the nation's plans to join the european union on pause leading to 36 days of protests in the capital and counting. in croatia, a trump like incumbent presidential candidate a vocal critic of nato and the eu is on track to win reelection. this is just some of the new world order that is awaiting donald trump as he prepares to become the leader of the free world again. joining me now is timothy snyder. let's talk about the gas. the natural gas falling through the pipelines that ukraine shut down, only 5% of europe's gas imports. most of europe has made other plans.
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this is much more of a symbolic move but a big one. tell me what this means to you if anything. >> you know me. it actually means an awful lot. fundamentally, this war is a hydro carbon war. the profits from hydro carbons from gas and oil that allows putin to be the oligarch he is and allows russia to take the state form it does. so that is very important. as you suggested, the connection between the soviet union and the russian federation and western europe was built on gas from the 1970s forward. and especially from 2015 forward when germany made the terrible decision to actually extend its dependence on russian gas after russia invaded ukraine for the first time. that was one of the worst geo political decisions made in this century. since the second invasion of 2022, most of europe has shifted away from russian natural gas. what was left was slovakia and hungary which are also
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countries whose leaders tend to support russia in this war. so what ukraine has done is made life harder for them. >> americans don't typically vote on foreign policy issues but what joe biden did was successfully brought nato and 20 other countries into alliance to fight against the territorial expansion of russia. that could all change now. in terms of the relationship that donald trump claims to have with russia. the good news is he wants to bring this war to a conclusion, the bad news is it may require a lot of concessions that nato countries don't wish to make. what do you see happening? >> let me start with the common sense. the common sense is that if you want russia to negotiate, you have to put putin in a position where he feels that negotiation is better for him than continuing the war. and that position is he believes he is losing so if anyone is serious about
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negotiations, they have to get more on the side of ukraine rather than less. trump says if he is in a hurry which is of course bad negotiation, if he gives the russians what they want, by talking about their demands rather than ukraines which is also very bad negotiation, that this will somehow work. the theory on the other side is that trump will realize that putin is trying to humiliate him and see him as a rival rather than a friend. then his position will change. that's not my view but the view of a number of conservatives and ukrainians and i hope they are right. for the time being, what trump has led with is a negotiating style that doesn't seem very likely to bring an end to the war. >> a lot of people know you because you have spoken a lot about our domestic situation. i wanted to ask you about what's going on in the republic of georgia for more than a
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month, they have been protesting. people have been protesting the ruling dream party's decision to pause the country's sessasion to the european union. talk to us about the institutions like the eu and nato. this is echoes like what happened in ukraine. talk to me what's going on in georgia and how this fits into the larger picture. >> that is important. the european union can seem like an abstraction here but for countries in europe, it stands for the future. especially for young people. it means free trade and the free movement of people and the chance to go to university and all kinds of wonderful places the chance to meet people in this huge economic and culture
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zone. in georgia, what it stands for is a future which is not being mired in one party, one person, russian style rule. if you are a young person in georgia, those are the alternatives. europe and a future, or one man russian style rule. it is not about the bureaucratic details about the european union. it is about europe as a real, not just a real vision, but a real possibility for a future where the people of georgia could be freer. this detail that their leaders have taken them off track, the young people understand if they want to live in a country where people will be free, they have to live in a country connected to europe. >> good to talk to you as always. much more to talk about. not these topics but other countries in the region that are going through some similar tensions so i would like to continue this conversation with you over the course of the next
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lawmakers are trying to shut down planned parenthood. the health care of more than 2 million people is at stake. our right to basic reproductive health care is being stolen from us. planned parenthood believes everyone deserves health care. it's a human right. future generations are beginning to lose the rights we fought for. the rights for ourselves, our kids, and our grandkids. gone. just like that. i can't believe this is the world we live in, where we're losing the freedom to control our own bodies. last year, politicians in 47 states introduced bills that would block people from getting the sexual and reproductive care they need. where does it end? planned parenthood fights for you every day. but we need your support now more than ever.
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visit this website, call, or scan the code on your screen, with your $19 monthly gift. help us win the fight for the constitutional right to control our own bodies. truly if planned parenthood had not stepped in, i would not be here today. they saved my life. your support is urgent. our rights and the rights of future generations are at risk. and lives are at risk. and that's why we have to keep fighting. in every state, everywhere. donate $19 a month, or whatever you can afford. and you'll help us fight against laws that block care, and take away our rights. we fight to make sure everyone and anyone can get the care they need. but we need your help. and there's never been a more urgent time to join. so go online, call, or scan this code now. sign up with your monthly gift today, and we'll send you this “care. no matter what” t-shirt. it is your right to have safe health care.
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celebrating the life and legacy of the late president jimmy carter who passed away at the age of 100, many have praised his tireless humanitarian efforts and the over 4,000 homes that he personally helped build or remodel with habitat for humanity. but there was another cause that was near and dear to his heart. >> in the time that you have left, what would give you the most satisfaction to see
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something happen? >> i >> he was sticking around to see the last guinea worm die before he did. guinea worm disease is a parasitic infection that causes excruciating pain and can last for months. it is caused by drinking contaminated waterment the carter center stepped in to lead the effort to eradicate the disease in 1987. though president carter did not achieve his goal of outliving the last guinea worm, there were only 11 cases of the disease in humans in 2024. that is our show for tonight. i'll be back again tomorrow night. time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. i did not see that one coming. i have to tell you. i know a lot about jimmy carter. i didn't know how close he got to dying after the last in
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