clear as most voters don't see politics from left to right. they say whose side are you on? we have to wake up every day, those in office and those outside, who once were in office and maybe in the future or whatever but are just actavis. we've got to make sure we make the distinction who was on our side. we make that on the tax bill and the overtime rule. we make it on trade agreements. we make it on consumer protection and the price of prescription drugs. >> senator, thank you for your time. your time. protections. we make it on the price of prescription drugs. we win when we do that. w >> senator sherrod brown, thank you very much for your time tonight, sir. that is "all in" on this thursday night. s

the question is will mike joinsen be the speaker of the house? >> how much confidence do you have that you will have the necessary votes to retain the gavel? h >> we're going to get this done. i'm humbled and honored to have president trump's endorsement for the role again as well as the endorsement of leaders across the conservative spectrum and the republican party. all my colleagues that are standing with us, and we will get this done. we live in very serious times. we cannot afford any palace drama here. great conversation. have yourself a great night. tomorrow at noon eastern, the 119th session of congress >> well, he's super right about living in very serious times. unfortunately for speaker johnson, tomorrow is almost bound to be filled with palace drama. and that drama will be televised. you'll note most of the year, only the cameras run by the house itself are allowed into the house chamber, which is why no matter how dramatic the issue being discussed, footage of congress almost always looks thm like this.ke however, tomorrow, c-span will be allowed to bring its own cameras in to film however it

likes. you might remember when it took republican congressman kevin mccarthy 15 votes to win the speaker's gavel in 2023. you saw images like this. c-span gave us live footage of representatives all over the house floor negotiating, bickering, taking what would normally happen off camera, letting the world see. tomorrow might be more dramatico than speaker johnson would like to be, but there's another reason, and it's this. >> it's the numbers game. we have the smallest margin in u.s. history, probably two s. votes. can only afford to lose one or two. >> back in 2023 when kevin mccarthy had to suffer through five days of humiliation and 15 rounds of voting just to barelyn get enough votes to get his hand on the speaker's gavel, back then, mccarthy could afford to lose four republican votes.t tomorrow, johnson can only afford to lose one. he said two, but it's sort of how the math works, depending

how thomas massey of kentucky votes. basically, if any two si republicans vote against him, he loses. i understand math a little bit, but this seems like more than one.reunn >> he can only afford to lose one republican vote. republican congressman thomas massey has already said he won't be backing johnson. >> why are you not committed to speaker johnson as the next speaker of the house? >> well, i'll tell you. i look at people's track record. and unfortunately, we will not be able to deliver on president trump's agenda as the same happened in 2016 because it hasp to be done legislatively if we don't have speaker with the courage, vision, and the plan. >> i remain undecided, as do a number of my colleagues. nu we saw so many of the failures last year. right now, i don't believe he has the votes on friday. >> remember that nothing can beh done in the new congress until a speaker is chosen. it cannot swear in new members. it cannot form committees. c

it cannot pass legislation. it cannot certify donald trump's election victory. electing a speaker of the house on day one is supposed to be a formality. it's not supposed to be hard. so this fight over the speaker's gavel doesn't bode well for the ability of this incoming il congress to actually govern. it's going to have to govern starting right away, however. last year's g republican-controlled house could only pass a bill to fund the government through march e 14th, meaning we could already be headed toward another government shutdown. that is, unless republicans in the house can get their act together, and right now that at doesn't seem all that likely. so the question is, what role do democrats play in this new congress? and how should the democratic party respond to the republican party? which for the moment seems to be eating itself alive. joining us now is congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas. congresswoman, good to see you. thank you for being with us again. this begs the question for democrats, who tend to be pretty disciplined about this stuff.

certainly the last time around,t every time kevin mccarthy was trying to get an election, everybody voted for hakeem ev jeffreys on the democratic side. obviously, that's going to happen as well tomorrow. but at what point do democrats feel any responsibility or compulsion to get involved and p say, all right, at some point the work of the people has to get done and you all aren't doing it?y, >> in my opinion, that point will not be reached. listen, they have gone around, they have talked about how there is a mandate and that this country issued a mandate for the republicans to run something. well, the country about to find out. we are in the find out phase. so go ahead and run whatever y'alli going to run, but listen, if it's all about y'all, if you don't believe in bipartisanship' and you have a trump trifecta, then y'all work this out amongst yourselves. we're going to sit on the sidelines and eat our popcorn. >> as you're eating that popcorn, because tomorrow could

be a long day. maybe they'll get it worked out soon, and maybe they won't, but what does that look like to you? what does success look like to you? because there is the business of governing that has to get done. they've got to get a speak sore they can get various things done, including january 6th, the certification of the election of hee president, the vice isg ey president. what are you looking to see a happen tomorrow? what are you most interested in? >> honestly, i'm not that concerned about january 6th. co i know you just threw that in there. but my candidate didn't win, so, you know, if it gets delayed, i'm okay with that. but what i am interested in seeing is how savvy his right flank will be if they actually will go ahead and extract blood the same way that they extracted out of mccarthy, right? that's how we got back to putting chip roy on rules along with a few other people that have blown things up and made it very difficult for any speaker to actually conduct their itsiness. a they've had to take up things such as these continuing resolutions on suspension

instead of actually taking them to rules because they couldn't get the rules passed. t in addition to that, i'm curious to see if they get him back iodn to that one-speaker vote, right, to vacate the speaker. right now in the proposed rules, it's going to take a lot of people. and they have to come from the republican side, which is very interesting. we have never seen that. not that the democrats have ever moved to vacate the speaker anyway. he's always been or their speaker has always been vacated by someone on their side. but i think that they are going to extract a little bit of blood out of mike johnson if he is going to become speaker again. but they really don't have anybody else. so this is really a matter of who can hold out the longest.od but considering the fact that trump went crawling to chip roy today in a phone call, i just think it's funny. maga believes that trump is this big, mean guy and he's the strongman, but he's threatened chip roy not once, not twice, he's threatened him a number of times and chip roy always stands up to him.

now it's trump that's calling chip roy, begging for a vote. >> yeah, it's interesting. y chip roy, trump's already used the primary you thing on chip roy. chip roy tends to beat everybody who runs against him. he made the point, if trump goes against him and he loses 30 points, still wins the primary,d still wins the election.l so it is interesting to see how that goes down. there are a couple of things coming up. the continuing resolution that does have to be dealt with. that's march. that's about 96 news cycles away. there is the issue of the debt ceiling, which donald trump has flip-flopped on in the past, now he wants something done with it. what are the priorities as democrats are looking at? what are the things that you'd t like to see done in this congress that your participation can help get done?se >> so, i absolutely want to make sure that this is done in a bipartisan way. i don't think that mike johnson will ever be able to guarantee his entire caucus.do he wasn't able to do it when he

had a larger majority, and so what is bipartisanship look like?a it looks like making sure the priorities the democrats have, which are really the priorities of everyday working folk, making sure that we've got, you know -- obviously there was the fight about the funding for child cancer research. you know. making sure that they're protecting social security and medicaid, medicare. di making sure that we're doing the smart things that will take care of americans is what we want to do. what we're not looking forward to is them trying to ram through the trump tax scam again. those tax cuts, they expire in 2025. and so that's why he wanted to make sure that debt ceiling was raised. is so this is where we will be able to use our leverage, knowing that they only have a two-seat t majority when it comes down to o it, which means that they will only be allowed to lose one vote on anything that they want to pass through the house. wh >> are there circumstances you can see in which mike johnson reaches over to hakeem jeffries and says, there are things that

have to get done? we did see that a little bit in the last house. you don't see much of that going on this time? >> i mean, he may reach. but n't me tell you, he going to feel these reaches. because when he allowed elon musk and vivek to jump on to social media and blow up what had been, you know, days and months-long negotiations between democrats and republicans, and you allow a tweet to blow it all up?ntmo well, first of all, the only currency that we have when we are lawmakers, whether it's the state or federal level, is our word. and so if you will not honor your word because somebody randomly, who's not elected, sends out a tweet, that's no way to govern, and we can't trust you. it was the same issue mccarthy d had. democrats couldn't trust him, nor could his own party trust him, therefore he got kicked out. i think mike johnson is in a real big pickle. i think if he i just went ahead and went forward with the cr as it had been negotiated, he would be in a position to say, hey, si

hakeem, if i got a problem, can you help me out? he's not in that position right now. >> congresswoman jasmine crockett, always good to see you. thank you for joining us, a j member of congress from texas. i want to bring into the conversation brendan buck, former adviser to former house speaker john boehner. good to see you again. od this is tricky, because even if mike johnson becomes speaker tomorrow, there is a problem, we identified this when kevin ow mccarthy became speaker. once you're a speaker with that many conditions or that many extractions or that many threats or that many defectors and that thin a majority, what you're ce able to do as speaker becomes fundamentally limited, which means what this house, this republican-run house, is going to be able to do is going to bee fundamentally limited. >> that's right. there's also not even the promises that they have to make. there's just the realities of th governing that makes it very difficult. as you outline, you have to fund the government, you have to increase the debt limit. republicans have shown time and

time again they're not able to do that on their own. every oute you have to go over and work with democrats. they can blame the speaker all they want. all day long, you can blame the speaker, but unless there are 218 republicans willing to vote for something that can get through the united states senate, you're never going to 21 advance any priorities. and we have had this mindset that there is no incremental win. there is only perfect or nothing. and we end up getting nothing. that's how you end up having to negotiate things with democrats every time. it's this -- for people like me who have been doing this for a while, it's this crazy cycle. you would think that we would learn at some point we are only making policy more progressive, not more conservative, when we have to turn to the other party every time. but that lesson never seems to be learned, and we're setting ourselves up for that once again. ai whether it's mike johnson or somebody else, it really doesn't make a difference. it's still going to be the same story come march, come this summer when they have to do the debt limit. >> you do know the story particularly well because you were adviser to speaker john

boehner and to speaker reince. you understand. you understand exactly how this works. what is the solution? at is it something like johnson can do? is it something donald trump can do? is it helped by elon musk being out of the picture? is it a different speaker? what exactly -- how do you get out of this pickle? >> i'm not sure there's an easy solution. i would hate to put too much weight on this idea, but i do think it ultimately comes down to donald trump. i think donald trump is the only person in this party who can at least use the megaphone or the political capital that he has to try to talk sense into people. s i know that may sound crazy, but when i was there, you know, donald trump can be talked rationally to. ti

he has people around him who understand these same dynamics. it's the same reason he's supporting mike johnson. he knows there's no better solution here. he knows all they're doing is creating chaos. when we get to march and they pu have to fund the government, summer when they have to increase the debt limit, i y thk only he can convince people they're hurting donald trump, se they're hurting the conservative cause by rejecting reasonable, achievable things. hi again, putting too much stock in donald trump is never a great idea because he's pretty erratic, too.ra but there is no real solution from leadership, at least from my perspective. i'm obviously biased. i don't think it's the speakers who have been at fault here. it just seems like it's going to require failing a few more times before we learn this lesson. j >> you know, one of the things that's happening is they're at changing this rule on how to vacate the speakership. it will now need a number of members, not just one member. mb they would all have to be republican anyway. but beside that, as jasmine crockett just pointed out, no one in the republican party, e none of those 38 holdouts the first time they went to do that continuing resolution, are giving mike johnson anything for free. they will extract something

else, and he seems to be willing to say, i'll give up something in order to make this less tumultuous. i guess that's a bit of a danger, right? when go back to the days when you were advising speakers, that is the danger that when you consistently weaken the role of the speaker, these things happen. u >> yeah. you recall when paul ryan came in, he was sort of drafted to be speaker, and they were making a lot of demands ofd him, and he said, no thanks. if you don't want me to do this job as is, then i won't do it. the problem is i don't think anybody in this position right now is able to make those kind of demands and get the votes with this small a majority we have. we had a 20, 30-something seat d majority back then. the small majority, the narrow majority, makes a huge difference. let's remember, though, kevin mccarthy also had changed a rule to change the motion to vacate so that it would be harder to kick him out. at the last mcmine he had to negotiate that and give it away. i'm not so certain mike johnson isn't going to have to give vett away as well, and end up back in the position where a single member of the house can trigger

his vote. when you have a majority this small, it only stakes three, four, five of these folks to kick you out at any time. when these hanging over your head, you're never going to be able to govern effectively. here's the problem. it works for some of these people. it works for chip roy to have this chaos, as long as he looks like he's ts the pure one. he's -- they're never conservative enough for me, so all you care about is your primary. chaos doesn't really matter. it looks good for you. >> when you're chip roy and you win your primary the way you can win your primary, i guess nothing else really matters to you. thanks at lot, brendan. good to see you. brendan buck, former adviser to speakers john boehner and paul n ryan. we have much more to get to, including how donald trump flunked three key leadership tests in one social media post in the first few hours of the new year. first the latest on the deadly new year's day attacks in new orleans and las vegas. that's next.

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tonight, we're learning new details regarding two separate and deadly new year's day attacks. in new orleans today, federal and local officials are working to uncover the motive of the man who intentionally drove a pickup truck into pedestrians celebrating on bourbon street. at least 14 people were killed, more than 30 injured. the suspect, a texas native and u. s. army veteran named shamsud din jabbar, died in a shoot-out with police shortly after the attack.

the fbi is investigating this incident as an act of terrorism after officials discovered a black isis flag attached to his vehicle. meanwhile, in las vegas today, officials announced that they found a passport and other identification belonging to this man, matthew allen livelsberger, an active duty member of the army's elite special forces. the documents were found at the scene where a makeshift bomb exploded inside a tesla cyber truck which had stopped in front of the trump international hotel yesterday morning. officials say they recovered a body from the cyber truck that was burned beyond recognition and sustained an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head shortly before the explosion. investigators are still awaiting dna confirmation of the body's identity. both the suspect in new orleans and the person of interest in las vegas were affiliated with

the u.s. military. both served at fort bragg. and did tours in afghanistan. both men rented from the same car company, turo. but as federal officials, including president biden, have repeated today, the attacks at this stage appear to be unrelated. >> we're also continuing to investigate whether or not there's any connection between the new orleans attack and the explosion in las vegas. as of now, as of now, i've just been briefed, they have not found any evidence of such a connection thus far. >> and we're just getting this, by the way. our tom winter has reported in. the fbi has found what it has described as the remnants of bomb-making in the home of sham shun din jabbar in houston, texas, according to a senior law enforcement official who's been briefed on the investigation. you saw him on the screen. colin clark is director of research at the safan group, author of "after the caliphate. " thank you for being with us. let's start with the connection or lack thereof between these two guys. there are some similarities.

a lot of people haven't rented a car using turo, where you can rent someone's personal car. not like hertz or avis. both these guys used turo as the app. both served time in the military. both served time at fort bragg, although it does appear there was no overlap between them at fort bragg. both were in afghanistan. a lot of people rent cars. a lot of people served in afghanistan. a lot of people are at fort bragg. at this point, nobody seems to be saying there's any connection between these two. do you know otherwise, or have you heard otherwise? >> no. i mean, at this point it seems to be just a very kind of odd and somewhat eerie coincidence. you know, veteran radicalization is nothing new. you know, the fact that people have rented cars to conduct attacks, also not new. you know, we'll see what is unearthed after the digital forensics are scrubbed, after the laptops and cell phones are combed through. maybe there's something there, but nothing jumped out to me as of now linking the two in any

tangible way. >> carl, let's talk about the new orleans suspect. the fbi says he was 100% inspired by isis. now, the question here, and they say acted alone, the question here is, what's isis now? when one says inspired by isis, is there an isis that's meaningfully operative right now? or are they saying, this is a guy who's read isis' stuff, followed isis in the past, finds their stuff inspiring? >> this is a conversation we've had going back years. what's the islamic state? i wrote last week a piece in the "times" in the uk about the threat of an isis resurgence given the fall of the assad regime, new operational space to maneuver in syria. isis is on the upswing in somalia. isis-k was quite active last year in iran, moscow.

the attempt against the taylor swift concert in vienna. this is a group that's looking to resurge. with resurgence comes a proliferation of propaganda. they really know how to propagate. they use propaganda that resonates with their supporters. we're going to see more of this. this is going to be used as proof of concept. we'll see them flooding the zone with more propaganda on various platforms, on telegram, on rocket chat, attempting to push others to follow suit and commit an act of terrorism. >> the isis we all came to know controlled territory. they traded in things. they traded in oil. they recruited people. they paid people as if they were soldiers with a weekly stipend or a salary. is the isis today that sort of organization? or is it the kind of thing that influences people on a stochastic basis and empowers them to do things? >> i would say at present it's very much more the latter of what you described.

it's highly decentralized. but isis, i've always believed, when you look at its affiliates, its regional branches, its franchise groups, this is a group that is, you know, the sum of its parts, is greater than the whole. when it's experiencing success in some parts of the world, as it has lately, it plays on those. for the islamic state, success is sexy. and that draws in more recruits. there's a whole ecosystem that exists outside of official formal isis media. what we kind of derisively refer to as fanboys or cheerleaders. they've been, you know, commenting and praising the attacker, again, trying to push others that might be on the cusp of doing something over the edge to commit similar acts and claim anytime the name of the islamic state. >> obviously, driving cars into groups -- we saw this in germany recently -- hard to figure out when someone's going to do that. there are ways in which you can control the access of vehicles to gatherings of large people. there will be some discussion,

because new orleans did have some of those bollards and they weren't for some reason deployed in the right place. however in this particular case in new orleans, they found two coolers containing nails and receivers for remote firing, as tom winter just reported. they've described finding remnants of bomb-making in the home of shamsud din jabbar in houston. talk to me about the intelligence gathering that can stand in the way of things like this happening in the future. are we any better at knowing somebody's gathering stuff to make improvised explosive devices? or is that still pretty rudimentary stuff that it's hard to catch? >> look, there's a saying. the provisional irish republican army said this publicly in 1984 after it nearly killed margaret thatcher in the brighton hotel bombing. they essentially said, you have to be lucky all the time. we only have to be lucky once. we have world-class counterterrorism agencies. we have people that have dedicated their lives in the intelligence community, law enforcement, to keeping us safe.

and they largely do a really, really good job. it's impossible to bat 1000 when it comes to this. terrorism is a tactic, and so it's not going to be defeated. i've always thought the global war on terrorism really does a disservice, because a war ends. a war is against an army or a nation state. terrorism's not going away. it's really about mitigating this. i think there's going to be, and rightfully so, a comprehensive after action report. not just in new orleans, but in cities across the country. to figure out how we can shore up glaring vulnerabilities, how do we prevent this from happening again, and there are a number of steps that we can take to do that. >> colin, good to see you as always. colin clark, director of research at the sufan group. we appreciate your time. still ahead in just 18 days, donald trump will become the leader of the free world once again. with anti-democratic movements on the rise, what kind of world awaits trump? first, trump just flunked a few noteworthy tests of leadership. what exactly could that mean for us in the next four years?

i'll discuss it with tim miller who's cohost of "the bulwark" podcast. it with tim miller who's cohost of "the bulwark" podcast.

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was constantly refuted by democrats and the fake news media bit the turned out to be true." the crime rate in our country is at a level no one has ever seen before. he went on to offer condolences to the victims and praise new orleans law enforcement. but everything that came before that little bit at the end was pure misinformation. trump insinuated that the attacker was a criminal coming into the country. but the alleged killer was a natural-born u.s. citizen and a united states army veteran. as my colleague steve bannon pointed out, trump flunked a test of accuracy, pushing misinformation within hours of a deadly attack. second, he flunked a test of decency, trying to exploit the attack to advance an ugly and misguided agenda. third, trump flunked a test of credibility, that when tragedy strikes, americans can't count on the incoming president for reliable and trustworthy information. tim miller, host of "the

bulwark" podcast, resident of new orleans where he's joining us from now. good to see you. thank you for joining us. there's a lot here. to some of us, we don't turn to social media for our news or information anymore anyway. and for a lot of americans, they don't turn to the president for news and information. used to be that was important. president or the administration would have information that you otherwise don't. in this particular case, trump had nothing of saw. in fact, it was the opposite. i don't know if that means anything to anybody anymore. does it matter that the incoming president of the united states posted entire misinformation about a very serious potential terrorist attack in this country? >> yeah, i do think that it's still important. i'd say the one thing that i do agree with, with the president-elect in his statement, is the praise for local law enforcement. the way they sprung into action on bourbon street the other night was extremely impressive and brave and i appreciate what

they did. everything else in that was wrong. i think there are a lot of practical reasons why this stuff matters. people do get information on social media. people in positions of public trust give out information that's not fully developed, right? like for example, in this case, there was concerns there might have been ieds in other places in the french quarter. and so, you know, during the press conference, you know, the fbi and the governor were speaking about that, and that was important for us who live there that there's still risk out there. turned out not to be the case, thank god. sometimes there's reason to put out half-information in a situation. there's never reason to smear random groups of people based on false information, based on nothing, to advance a political agenda. that is what trump did, right? that there was a report about the car maybe having crossed the

border. so immediately he starts using this horrible, deadly attack before we even know the names of the victims as a cudgel to advance his hateful political agenda against migrants. and it's just -- it's horrific, and i think that it actually does matter because in these moments, people, there are some people that are turning to him. there's some people turning to social media for information. and that matters in these moments. >> you know, back in 2016 or so, we all didn't like the idea that social media might be the head of the snake in terms of misinformation. but even back then, they made noises about not doing so, about curating their information, trying to stop misinformation. that's largely gone now and by the way, donald trump doesn't depend on that. he's got his own social media platform on which he can distribute this stuff, and other people repeat it. so we're not even together on the idea that this shouldn't

happen. >> yeah, no for sure. we've gone the other way, to your point. zuckerberg, you know, facebook, this was something in 2016 that they were very concerned about. and you know, now they've completely backtracked. they've actually said their biggest mistake was doing too much moderation during covid. that is zuckerberg's view now. mark andreasen, on the facebook board, close adviser to trump. obviously elon musk has bought twitter. and false information is thriving on that platform. so, no, we do not have that -- those common areas of facts, a common desire to want to only have facts out there. but again, i don't think that just because that is our reality now means we just throw up our hands and say, okay, whatever. the president-elect is out there, you know, spreading lies about a terror attack and naming a different group of people or a different individual or imagined individual as the perpetrator.

we have to speak clearly about what these problems are. just because if he won this election, just because two social media -- the social media oligarchs have decided they don't want to do anything does not mean we just have to descend into dystopia and accept it. especially in these moments of tragedy. >> today was -- there was something else happening today. there's the president awarded the presidential citizens medal to a few people, including a number of people, all very worthy, but a couple in particular who stood out. liz cheney and bennie thompson, the chairs of the january 6th committee. of course, donald trump has specifically targeted liz cheney, said hateful things about her, including the fact that she should be jailed and that's actually the least what was he's said about her. talk to me about this. the symbolism of this, liz

cheney and others, many others, did something that they believe was in the interest in the preservation of this republic. i don't think liz cheney's any less conservative than she ever was. she just decided that the rule of law is the rule of law, and we all have to be subject to it. talk to me about what you saw in that today. >> you know, look. i think that liz cheney would tell you herself that she would have rather defeated donald trump and had that been her reward, then received this medal. but i think it still shows that the sitting president still desires, you know, to reach out to people of both parties, to recognize people. even who he disagrees with politically for their courage. i think the other thing liz cheney would tell you if she was here, i think i can speak for her on this, is that is the people that really deserve recognition for their bravery that day on january 6th are the officers. circling back to what we said. the law enforcement that did their work on bourbon street and

the law enforcement that did their work to protect our capitol and defend themselves against the rioters that donald trump incited on january 6, 2021. >> tim, good to see you as always. thank you. i hope everybody in your community is faring better after the horrific incidents over the last couple of days. tim miller is the host of "the bulwark" podcast. still to come, what the upcoming donald trump administration could mean for growing anti-democracy, anti-liberal movement overseas. plus, one of the late president jimmy carter's most impressive achievements. stay with us. most people call leaffilter when their gutters are clogged and they notice one of the many issues that can bring. sometimes it's the smell of mildew when water has seeped into the interior walls. or maybe they've spotted mold in the attic. but most often it's the more obvious signs of damage

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an interesting thing happened when 2024 turned into 2025. it marked the end of russia's ability to send natural gas through a maze of pipelines that crisscross ukraine. the soviet union and then russia used that network of pipelines to export natural gas to europe for decades. but now after giving european countries time to diversify their natural gas sources, ukraine has finally turned off the tap, along with russia's ability to use energy to drive a wedge between ukraine and any potential european allies. the move comes as the two countries are on track to mark the third anniversary of russia's full-scale invasion of ukraine next month. meanwhile, in other parts of eastern europe, the new term begins amid a continued anti-western and anti-liberal drift.

georgia, a former soviet republic, has elected a pro-trump president, a pro-putin president, whose ruling party has put the nation's plans to join the european union on pause. that's led to 36 days of protest in the capital and counting. in croatia, a trump- like incumbent presidential candidate, who's a vocal critic of nato and the eu, is on track to win re-election. this is some of the new world order that's awaiting donald trump as he prepares to become the leader of the free world again. joining me now is timothy snyder, yale university history professor and author of "on freedom." good to see you. thank you for joining us. let's talk about the gas. the natural gas flowing through the pipelines that ukraine shut

down accounted for very little now, only about 5% of europe's gas imports last year. most of europe has made other plans and gets their natural gas elsewhere. this is much more of a symbolic move. it's a big one, however. tell me what this means to you, if anything. >> you know, it actually means an awful lot. fundamentally, this war is a hydrocarbon war. it's the profits from hydrocarbons from gas and from oil which allows putin to become the oligarch that he is, allows russia to take the state form that it does. so in that sense, it's very important. of course, as you already suggested, the connection between the soviet union and the russian federation and western europe was built largely on gas from the 1970s forward. and especially from 2015 forward when germany made the terrible decision to actually extend its dependance on russian gas after russia invaded ukraine for the first time. that was one of the worst, i think, geopolitical decisions made in this century. since the second invasion of 2022, most of europe has shifted away from russian natural gas. what was left was essentially slovakia and hungary, which by no coincidence were also countries whose leaders tend to support russia in this war. so when ukraine, in effect, made

life harder for those prime ministers in hungary and slovakia. >> americans don't typically vote on foreign policy issues, but what joe biden did do is successfully brought nato and about 20 other countries into alliance to fight against the territorial expansion of russia. that all could change now in terms of the relationship that donald trump claims to have with russia. the fact that he wants to -- the good news is he wants to bring this war to a conclusion. the bad news is it may require a lot of concessions that ukrainians and nato countries, nato european allies, don't wish to make. what do you see happening? >> yeah, i mean, let me start with the commonsense. the common sense is that if you want russia to negotiate, you have to put putin in a position where he feels that negotiation is better for him than continuing the war, and that position is, he believes that he's losing. so if anyone is serious about negotiations, they have to, for the time being, get more on the side of ukraine rather than less. and this is the problem for trump.

trump's argument seems to be that, if he says he's in a hurry, which is, of course, bad negotiation, if he gives the russians what they want by talking about their demands rather than ukraine's, which is also very bad negotiation, then this will somehow work. now, the theory on the other side is that trump will at some point realize that putin is trying to humiliate him. trump will at some point see putin as a rival rather than a friend, and then his position will change. that's not my view. that's the view of a number of conservatives and a number of ukrainians, and i very much hope they're right, but for the time being what trump has led with is a negotiating style which doesn't seem very likely to bring an end to the war. >> a lot of people know you because you've spoken so much about our domestic political situation. you're quite an expert on that part of the world on russia, ukraine, the former soviet union that region. i want to ask you about what's been going on in the republic of georgia for more than a month. they have been protesting. people have been protesting the ruling dream party's decision to

pause the country's assession to the european union. georgia is one of nine candidate countries to the european union. talk to us about the institutions like the eu and nato at this present moment. there's real echoes of what happened in ukraine that led to, you know, a revolution there. talk to me about what's going on in georgia and how this fits into the larger picture. >> yeah, it's very important to make the connection, as you have just done, with the european union. so for us here on the other side of the atlantic, the european union can seem like an abstraction, but for countries in europe that are beyond the european union, it essentially stands for the future. in fact, especially for young people. the european union means free trade. the european union means the free movement of people. the european union means a chance to go to university in all kinds of wonderful places. the european union means a chance to meet people in this huge economic and cultural zone. so in georgia now, what the european union stands for is a future which is not being mired in one party, one person,

russian-style rule. if you're a young person in georgia, those are the alternatives. europe and a future, or one-man russian-style rule. so it's not really about the bureaucratic details about the european union, it's about europe as a real, not just a real vision, but a real possibility for a future where the people of georgia could be freer, and that's why this apparent detail that their leaders have taken them off course on the track towards the european union is so significant for georgians, especially for young people. they understand quite correctly that if they want to live in a country where people are going to be free, they also have to live in a country which is connected to europe. >> tony snyder, good to talk to you as always. we have much more to talk about. there are other countries in the region going through similar tensions. so i'd like to continue this conversation with you over the course of the next days and weeks. timothy snyder, a yale university history professor and the author of "on freedom." thanks for your time tonight.

when we come back, perhaps the most important legacy for the late former president jimmy carter is something he didn't leave behind. i'll explain next. i'll explain next.

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as the nation prepares to celebrate the life and legacy of the late former president jimmy carter who passed away on sunday at the age of 100 tributes of praised carter tireless humanitarian efforts and his long and productive post presidency including the over 4,000 homes that he personally helped build or remodel with habitat for humanity. but there was another cause that was near and dear to his heart. >> in the time that you have left, what would give outmost satisfaction to see something happen. >> i would like to see guinea worm orad kateed before i die like for the last guinea worm

to die before i do. >> he was sticking around for to see the last one die before did he. it's a parasitic infection that causes excruciating debilitating pain and can last for months cause ed by drinking contaminated water. the carter center stepped in to lead the effort to eradicate guinea worm disease in 1986 when there were 3 million cases around the globe. and though president carter did not achieve his goal of outliving the last guinea worm according to carter center, there were only 11 cases of the disease in humans in 2024. that's our show for tonight. i will be back again tomorrow not. way too early with jonathan lemire is up next. we are now getting a better sense of the suspect's actions just hours and days leading up to the new orleans attack. in a moment, we will go live to bourbon street