there will be lots of time to discuss them over the next week which will also involve trump coming to washington to attend the state funeral for jimmy carter, so a very busy and complex week ahead for the president-elect. >> absolutely. we'll be asking questions of our legal analysts very much so to see what will happen, again, we have the funeral, the official state funeral of president jimmy carter on the 9th. so the president will be in washington, former president and now president-elect donald trump will be there on thursday, the 9th. this will all go down on the 10th. we're all going to stay closely attuned to see what happens from judge juan merchan. garrett, thank you so much, it's been a busy day. as for all of you watching, that does do it for us this hour. join me this weekend on alex >> hi everyone, here in washington, d.c. we come on the

air with some big breaking news, judge mershon, the judge overseeing the trump hush money case has ordered donald trump to appear for sentencing on january 10th, that is just 10 days before he is set to be inaugurated, the judge saying that regardless of his status as a future president the wheels of justice must keep turning, the judge saying the defendant has been found guilty on 34 felony counts, the significance of the fact that the verdict was handed down by a unanimous jury of defendants peers after trial cannot possibly be overstated, the sanctity of the jury verdict is a principal in our nations prudence. and that is where we start today with top former official at the department of justice and msnbc legal analyst, andrew weissmann, and at the table,

msnbc political analyst, juanita tolliver. i'm still reading through this ruling, i know you are as well, what stood out to you? >> well, i think that our viewers should understand that donald trump had made a motion saying that because of presidential temporary immunity, when he will serve as president, that that meant that during this time, he should not be sentenced, nor during the time that he is president should he be sentenced so in other words, this should be kicked down the road for over four years. he also said that the case should be dismissed as a result of this temporary immunity that a president enjoys. the d.a. opposed that, so here, judge marchant is saying you know what, you are just like anyone

else, there is a unanimous jury and a criminal case found as you said, 34 felony counts which is remarkable that we are going to have the president-elect potentially being sentenced. one final note is that donald trump still have some moves to play, because he can seek an appeal right now to try to prevent this sentence from going forward, that would be extremely unusual but nothing about this case or anywhere in the criminal case is at all usual, shall be expecting efforts by the president-elect to forestall the generally tend sentencing. >> andrew weissmann, he also had our colleague, tom winter noting that merchan said he

will not order trump to be incarcerated, talk us through that and whether or not it surprises you. >> it does not surprise me in this context. if donald trump had not won the election, i think i would be surprised because they are at 34 counts, it is not the most serious felony but this has to be the most serious e felony anybody the new york state court has ever seen, but given that the president-elect would not be able to serve a sentence for at least four years, it is not surprising that a judge would say you know what, i can't actually impose an incarcerated tory term for four years, it doesn't make a lot of sense, there isn't a swift justice, so he's going to have to fashion some other type of remedy that can develop fines

and require reporting obligations but it isn't surprising, given that president trump won the election and would not, because of that, be able to serve any prison sentence for at least four years in order to not board the will of the people because after all, he won the election. >> let's bring in the msnbc correspondent, lisa rubin, i asked you about this ruling and you called it stunning, tell me why. >> this is partially because the district attorney's office was aiming for what looked like a middleground as well, but judge merchan was going to try to avoid sentencing donald trump, trump made it clear that he wanted to avoid a sentencing of any kind, and the district attorney's office sort of went above and beyond in this last filing to try to outline for judge merchan an array of

options whereby he could preserve the jury's verdict but not sentence trump, so the fact that he has scheduled this sentencing for january 10th is it self stunning. i want to draw your attention to some other facets of this decision because i think one thing that was very persuasive to judge merchan was this is a situation of donald trump's own making in part, i want to read your page seven, he says, the defendant now claims that the court cannot and must not sentence the defendant, the record is clear that he not only consented to that in fact requested the very adjournment that led us down the path we are on, it was on his application without opposition from the people meaning the district attorney's office that the sentence was adjourned until after the election and here's the kicker, any claim the defendant may have that circumstances may change as a result of the victory in the

presidential election while convenient is disingenuous. on that, i'm in full agreement with judge merchan, others who closely follow this trial but the other legal proceedings in which former and future president trump was involved on a criminal basis know that he played games, constantly, delay, stall, ignore, this was a victory mostly about timing, not about substance. and that is true largely with respect to the federal cases as well as to this case but, merchan is saying i see what you're doing, i see how much you threw at me including another motion to disqualify me, i find a way that you thought about me and my participation in the case to be evocative of the same concerns for the rule of law and the upholding of judicial standards and trust in the judicial system that chief justice roberts sites a few days ago, and i see through that. to that extent, i'm not

surprised merchan had always been very clear about the fact that he knew what was going on and he wasn't going to be yanked around like that. but again, the fact that we are about to approach the beginning of the second trump presidency on january 21st with the president having been sentenced just 11 days before, it is stunning. >> i want your reaction as a former prosecutor and also as someone who has stood in these halls of powers, opening the show today talking about the speakership vote about the year ahead, the timing of this brings all of that into sharp focus. >> and first, judge merchan in a tough position but i think he has done the right thing, he said he's not going to sentence donald trump to jail, the people of america have elected donald trump president again but that doesn't negate the facts and the evidence that this jury heard and remember, donald trump had a role in selecting this jury.

donald trump was the primary reason that we are at this point in time, with this case not being disposed of, so really what merchan is saying, you really dealt this hand and only because you took upon yourself to delay and stall and you took it upon yourself to demean the whole judicial process, that i feel compelled to make sure we see this case to the end. so i think it is appropriate, he is going to be sentenced, the people in america that voted for donald trump, they are probably going to say it is rigged. the bottom line is, this was a case about facts and evidence heard by a jury that donald trump helped select. and the unanimously agreed the law was violated, so the convictions should stand, he should be a convicted felon, that will not keep him serving

-- keep him from serving, but it is important for the rule of law in this country. >> it is likely that trump and his team will appeal this january 10th may not stand as the date, theoretically, if he were to be sentenced before january 20th, he then takes the oath of office as a convicted felon. >> i hope that changes things for people who are formally incarcerated or had similar convictions, for their ability to pursue basic jobs in their communities, i hope that changes things at large. the other thing, the contract that stands out to me in this moment, i do compare it with what we saw from the federal cases winding down, with jack smith team, even being prepared from targeting the future president, that is front of mind, as what merchan has been negotiating for himself, he is not backing down, that is

commendable. he is working with the district attorney's office to not incarcerate donald trump out of respect for the election, and he's pointing this back at donald trump as claire said, this is his doing. we are here because the delay tactic didn't work out in his favor. so what i appreciate is this moment and the distinguishing of the power granted by the supreme court with the immunity that he would have as president, not applying to an incoming president, so who hasn't been sworn in yet and i think that is a wake-up call for him on the boundaries he is facing but also with judge merchan and with regular people and what they are willing to do with their terms of accountability. >> i did in fact highlight this section from you on page seven, what i missed that you brought to my attention was this footnote, number two, i will read it for our audience and you can put it in context for us, you have the judge commending both legal teams saying there was a lot of rigor

here, this was great legal representation and he says, there have been instances when in written submissions, counsel has come dangerously close to crossing the line of zealous representation. and professional advocacy, one would respect members of the court and this court has at times made counsel aware of its observations and concerns. now, counsel has resorted to language, indeed rhetoric that has no place in legal feedings. >> yes, this is a long time coming from judge merchan, and as he notes, he warned the parties previously but increasingly, we saw pleadings from the trump team that looked more like press releases, or looked like electoral documents as opposed to something that you would file under court of law, having upper talking with vaughn hillyard many times about how the cycle between politics and law had just collapsed completely, about each of their

filings seemed to be as much political statement as it was a legal filing if not more so and here, he is saying enough is enough because the way in which you talk about the district attorney's office, the way you accuse them of weapon is -- weaponizing them again and again, is unacceptable, not only unacceptable, it leads to dangerous situations for all sorts of participants. i want to remind you that the gag order in this case while it was narrowed after the trial was never fully lifted and that is why donald trump cannot say things for example about the family member of the judge or any other court personnel, he cannot talk about the family members of the district attorney, he can talk about the participants in the case itself but he was still under some gag orders in part because his rhetoric had become so overwhelmingly dangerous not just to the people who participated in this trial but

to people who are ancillary to it, the people who populated the courtroom, the people who are related to the people, in ways that as documented by alvin bragg's office resulted in a plethora of the threats to them and a significant uptick against that which they have seen in prior years. and he is saying is, what you are doing here is reminiscing of what the chief justice talked about in his report, this is activity that threatens the independence of judges on which the rule of law depends and result in violence, intimidation, disinformation and threats to defy lawfully entered judgments and we are talking about lawfully entered judgments, folks might say donald trump will just defy it and ignore it, merchan has already thought about that and he has indicated that donald trump doesn't have to show up in person in manhattan on

january 10th, in fact, he can show up virtually and he is asked that trump's counsel let the court know by january 5th, theoretically so he can take adequate security provisions whether he is going to come or not, it would be telling to me whether trump tries to treat this as yet another opportunity to transform a courthouse into a press conference as he did almost every day of that trial or whether he stays away from manhattan. >> do you have any reporting on the likelihood of appeal and what it would look like here? >> there is already an appeal pending, donald trump's lawyers have maintained they tried to remove this to federal court and they refused, by a federal district court judge in manhattan, they have an appeal of that and their position is, so long as there is a pending notice of removal, it is improper to take this case to sentencing.

so i fully expect them to try to expedite those removal proceedings, they are supposed to be having an oral argument later this month but i do believe before january 10th. as a result of that, look for them to make a very speedy application to the second circuit saying sentencing this guy as this judge wants to do is totally incompatible with the federal rules that govern removing a federal case, i'm sorry, removing a state case to a federal court and our ability to preserve don't enact first. >> i've got to pa document, my to plow through the details of it, footnotes included but i want to make sure i take a step back and just ask you what this means for those who have an appetite for accountability, how to see this in the context of a conversation we have been having since donald trump took office and as we stand on the precipice of his second term in

office. >> this is a bold and i think really spirited civic decision by judge merchan where he is trying to really give credit to the role of the future president and not interfere with the will of the people, but also understanding the need for the rule of law and that there is a jerry verdict here on 30 core felony counts that separates this case from any of the other three criminal cases and in the event that merchan points that out, he needs to give effect to that , so what he is doing is preserving that conviction, 34 criminal

convictions of the former president and now president- elect and i really think that it goes to his concern about the rule of law and just to be in the weeds on the footnote which you were just talking to lisa about, there he quotes justice ginsburg, and actually he also quotes the chief justice, and i'm just going to read it because i think it is so beautifully written. where she said judicial independence is worth preserving, an independent judiciary is essential to the rule of law in any land yet, and she says, it is vulnerable to assault, it can be shattered if the society does not take care to ensure its preservation. it can be shattered if the

society does not take care to ensure its preservation. and i think that is in a nutshell what judge merchan is doing and saying that just because donald trump was elected does not mean he escapes criminal liability bound by 12 jurors, men and women that are his peers and he's going to give credit to that and not wipe it away as if it did not exist, so you really do have the remarkable decision that fax and law matter but as you noted, he does say that there will not be in term incarceration and keeping the role of the president-elect to be able to serve as president. >> very quickly before we go to break, do you think we have a sentence before january 20th? >> i don't know, i think that there are so many courts that

can weigh in on this, as lisa said, there is a potential federal court that can weigh in, there are state courts that could weigh in and awful -- even a supreme court, the big argument that, donald trump will say this interferes with his role as president-elect if he has to do this and he doesn't need much of a stay in order to be able to push this beyond the 20th, in which case a sentencing would be off for at least four years, so i think there is a very good chance that will happen but i think from judge merchan's perspective, he has to make the best decision he can and he lets the appellate process go and the appellate will get to decide whether he is at stake or not. >> thank you both so much for getting us started, i know you

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119th congress, and the donning republican trifecta here in washington, and for house republicans, things have not gone smoothly, earlier this afternoon, mike johnson clinched just enough votes to become speaker, after three of his fellow republicans initially posted his bid. even as the vote remained open, and yet two republicans, changing their votes, getting johnson to the magic number of 218, so he is once again speaker of the house, the road to the speakership was not without speed bumps and warnings for the road ahead, the new york times put it like this, the scene at play reflected the deep divisions in the republican ranks, in addition to the votes, several far right gop members initially withheld their votes for mr. johnson staring straight ahead finally as their names were

called, the rebuke to louisiana republican at the time made it appear that mr. jeffries was on track to prevail. johnson warned his fellow republicans that too much was at stake if the house failed to choose a speaker because without a speaker, congress cannot certify the 2024 election results. and the election results must be certified for a new president to be inaugurated, so here's what johnson said on thursday. >> we would have ourselves a constitutional crisis i would argue, you have to have a speaker to begin and commence to congress itself and this happens every two years, we have been doing this for hundreds of years. >> all of that has been adverted, the attention turns to the trump agenda and what democrats do next. here is hakeem jeffries after the speaker vote. >> when you win and when you lose, that is the patriotic thing to do and that is the

america that house democrats will fight hard to preserve because we love this country. there are some in this country who apparently believe that the freedom of economic opportunity that made them wealthy should not apply to everyone else. our message to that crowd is simple, democrats will never abandon the long walk toward freedom. we will fight hard to defend the freedom of opportunity, that makes the american dream possible, we will fight hard for the freedom to vote, and to fight for a government of the people, by the people and for the people. we will fight for the freedom to organize and join a union of your choice. we will fight to defend the free enterprise system, but work hard to make sure that it actually works, for working- class americans.

and we will also defend a woman's freedom to make her own reproductive health care decisions. >> joining our conversation, nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent, garrett, and claire and melanie are back with us. >> by the standards of the 118th congress, the start of this congress was incredibly smooth, they got this done on just one vote and the speaker pretty effectively deployed donald trump, the president- elect to put some pressure on at least two of the three members getting them to switch their votes, we know that ralph norman and keith had multiple conversations with trump throughout the day including while the vote was still open and their votes were still on the board for other candidates. trump essentially assuaged their concerns to some degree about johnson saying he's the guy, people like him,

acknowledging the reality that he's the only person in this conference who can get the votes and in this case you had two members who were willing to vote against the speaker who had nonspecific complaints about spending and about johnson going after conservative priorities and it sounds like they got nonspecific promises back from johnson saying yes i will fight for you on these issues, yes i agree but no specific seat on this committee or guaranteed a vote on issue x, this was an opportunity for these conservatives to remind johnson of just how much he needs them going forward and for johnson to say essentially thank you very much, i hear you, i'm still with the president-elect of our party and if you want to be with him, get back on board. they have done so and the house republican majority is able to clear this first hurdle of what will be a two-year congress full of hurdles. >> well put, my friend, so claire mccaskill, i want to remind us all, this is not normal, it seems normal that we

have watched it multiple times, speakers losing a leadership vote is to be a once in a century occurrence, how did we get here? >> well, we got here because the republican party is really not united, there are different factions in the republican party and because our country is so evenly divided, this is really the calm before the storm. buccal and because johnson is going to have big problems down the line, he has to fund the government in march and he is going to lose three members between now and march, which means he cannot fund the government without democratic votes and then enter hakeem jeffries and his ability to negotiate for some democratic priorities that aren't about tax cuts for the rich people but rather about things that really matter to american families that are struggling paycheck to paycheck.

jeffries set a great job in his speech emphasizing those folks, i also thought it was great he said bipartisanship is something we are interested in as long as our priorities lineup. but, don't think, this is really the calm before the storm, there is big thunder clouds on the horizon for mike johnson and they are coming. >> i'm curious melanie about this conversation that trump had with ralph norman, with keith, what it was that we understand happened in that conversation and what all of this tells us about the leverage that donald trump currently has over this caucus relative to what he has had in the past, sometimes when he's not even an elected member of u.s. government. >> yes, i think going into this we were viewing this as a test of donald trump's influence on congress and i think the answer is that he has a lot of sway,

he is still the key member in the house, not only did he talk to norman afterwards, he said i need you to get this done for me, but he was also talking to chip roy and i just put out reporting with my colleagues at punch bowl news that they were in discussions with each other, chip roy and donald trump and trump wasn't threatening primaries, in fact that is something that chip roy wanted to hear from donald trump and donald trump agreed, he said yes i will layoff you, but i need your vote and in the end, chip roy and ralph norman were in the yes column, so i think that is a huge take away here, just how much influence there was and even after the vote there was a group of 11 conservatives who put out a letter saying we still have reservations about mike johnson and the only reason we voted for him is because we are worried about delaying the certification of trump selection, so had trump not been in the white house, it would have been a very

different conversation right now and also to claire mccaskill's point, conservatives are putting johnson on notice, but there's going to be a host of different sticky issues they are going to have to address over the exact same month and remember, now it is going to take nine members of the majority party to band together to force a motion to vacate the speakership and according to these numbers that we see, 11 putting off that letter or the six of the three who initially did not vote for johnson or for somebody else on the floor, that would be enough to kick mike johnson out of the speakership so he is certainly going to be on notice over these next few months and it is going to be very difficult for him to govern. >> let's talk about the sticky points, and also looking at this letter that the house freedom caucus sent 11 signatures on this, it is a real grab bag, some want to stay monday through friday and work on the same schedule as

the senate, some of it is about not wanting to increase discretionary spending, some of it is about the border but the thing i wanted to point out to you with this bullet on reversing biden-harris policies immediately, it is less a push forward and more still living in the politics of what was. >> attempting to anyway, because what they seem to be missing in their considerations is the fact that they won't be able to pass much of anything without democrats and democrats aren't going to stand by and heal their votes to republicans to get anything across the finish line if these are the types of things they will try to include in the bill, i feel like what we saw with the christmas eve funding measures going back and forth, whether it was 37 republicans saying absently not to lifting the debt limit or the other 37 who rejected the final bill that ultimately passed, the reality is they can't do anything without democrats so i'm confused about the demands and also about what my johnson could ever promised

to anybody, or donald trump for that matter with the reality of the minuscule lead that republicans hold in the house, but i'm looking to hakeem jeffries to make those demands, also to democrats at large to collectively be the thorn in their side. i think that takes two forms, one is setting boundaries behind closed doors with my johnson and actively standing in an offensive posture because hakeem jeffries is a power player, i learned that two years ago. but, he also is in a powerful position now, and other thing is them standing united especially in those moments where critical measures are needed. think again, government funding coming back up in march, this is when you hold the line and demand the funding for early childhood education programs, this is when you make the demand for maintaining the consumer financial protection spiros, things that trump is already targeting and holding that line collectively is going

to be a major moment for democrats to flip the tables and congress. >> thank you both so much for joining us, claire and wanita are sticking around, we are going to speak with a democratic house member about all of this gop drama, we have much more after this. after this

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>> house democrats under the leadership of hakeem jeffries

are committed to bipartisanship and common sense solutions to america's most pressing challenges, in the face of chaos and dysfunction over the last two years, our caucus has kept the government-funded, r allies protected and the economy secured from the catastrophic default, and in the 119th congress, we will work with the incoming administration to make life better, safer and more affordable for working families. and the incoming administration must also recognize that while my colleagues on the other side of the aisle are divided and while compromise remains a dirty word for so many, congress won't be able to keep the lights on let alone pass anything of substance without the buy-in and blessing of house democrats and hakeem jeffries. >> that was pete aguilera, nominating democratic leader hakeem jeffries for speaker

earlier today. saying that republicans will need to work with democrats to get anything done this year. joining our conversation, a democrat from south carolina, congressman, thank you for being with us, your reaction to the events we saw today, just three republicans coming very close to stopping my johnson from becoming speaker. >> i don't think you can get much closer than what it got today, and of course we are down one vote, and i think someone else got one vote, this kind of division is what we need to work to overcome, the country voted this way but they voted for leaders and hopefully, democrats and republicans can sit down around

the table and ironed out differences, find common ground and try to get the american people moving forward as they would like to move. we cannot keep having these close divisions and digging in our appeals and not working together. so that is all he was saying today as he nominated hakeem jeffries to be our leader, our democratic leader, republican leader, our two men that ought to be able to sit down and find common ground, due to the compromising that is necessary and keep the country moving forward, that is all we ask. >> you talk about common ground, when congressman aguilera talks about compromise, where do you see room for compromise? >> almost everywhere,

everything that we've got, the fact of the matter is, 218-215, that was the vote today and it is going to be even closer than that, that number is going to get closer. it is going to be down to one vote and with one vote difference, at 100% of the discussions, no, we should sit down and work these things out, no matter what it is, whether it comes to any other programs or policies that we are working on, let the results reflect the makeup of the congress, and if you were to do that, that doesn't mean you get 100% of what you want and the other

person gets zero, we are not zero, we have 215. >> i was walking from the bureau to capitol hill today and i was just so struck by the way in which the house of representatives, the u.s. congress is now fortified, a reminder that the fourth anniversary of the insurrection is coming up next week, talk about the moment we find ourselves and where we are going to see the recertification of the elected victory of the man that cited that attack on the capital. >> well, i think the american people are going to be taking a very close look at what we do here in the next few days, we are going to have our joint session, we will be counting the electoral college votes, people will be looking to see how we conduct ourselves and we ought to be able to conduct ourselves as we have many times before. i often think about al gore as

vice president, having to count those votes and certify them, and alvin himself just lost the election by the supreme court, about 500 votes in the whole country, the state of florida, he made the announcement, he made a speech, the greatest speech of his career to keep the country together, so our hope as we go through this, both sides know that this is a great country that has been entrusted to us, to keep it together and i hope that is the way we will conduct ourselves in the next several days. >> congressman, jim clyburn, it is a very busy day on capitol hill, thank you so much for

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hello, i am always a menendez in for nicolle wallace and it is 5:00 here in washington on a friday full of news. we officially have a speaker of the house for the one at the 19th congress. trump endorsed mike johnson -- if you lay votes won the

speakership. he truly has big news, with what we learned in the last hour. the judge has sent a sentencing date for donald trump in his hush money case. the case where trump was indicted on 34 accounts of falsifying business records. the date for this sentencing is very notable. it will be just 10 days before trump is set to be inaugurated at the 47th president of the united states. the judge has made clear he will not order trump to be sentenced to jail, but says trump forced his hand on this timing. trump had pushed to be after the presidential election, but he said, quote, any claim defendant may have of circumstances that have changed as a world of defendant was victory in the presidential election, while convenient, is disingenuous. the judge declared boldly, the significant of that fact of the verdict being handed down by unanimous jury of 72 after trial cannot possibly be

stated. judge merchan said they can appear in court or virtually before him on january 10th. trump team responded to this order by judge merchan, saying today's order by the deeply conflicted acting justice mershon and the da witch hunt is a direct violation of the supreme court's immunity decision and other long- standing jury students. -- jurisprudence. they demand they dismiss it. there should be no sentencing and president-elect donald trump will continue fighting until they are all dead. that is where we start this our former u.s. attorney and former deputy ascended -- assistant harry lippmann and host of the father cast -- podcast. also andrew weissmann is back with us. harry, what do you make of this move by judge marchan.

>> i think it is about the strong forceful move for accountability that we have left. it was already a foreground conclusion that trump was not going to see the inside of a jail cell and what he has tried to do since the election is somehow claim the fact of the election kind of wiped away everything about this conviction and judge marchan said no, no, and no and it would undermine the rule of law in immeasurable ways. he wrote, for you not to be sentenced now -- i think it is secondary and as i say already established whether or not he does time, but this establishes the fact of conviction, historically, politically, is big. he has the scarlet letter and he will fight hard now, although it will be interesting to hear what he has to say. i do not think he has strong claims for a stay, even though he can appeal it down the line. i think we will see a week from

today judge merchan give them a hard talking to , only imposing an unconditional discharge, which is less than a slap on the wrist. >> your name checked by harry lippmann. what about the timeline on that and what will likely look like in the viability of these arguments. >> certainly, president-elect donald trump is going to seek a stay. you know, that is not unusual for any defendant and it certainly is all of -- our viewers know the tactic of president-elect donald trump, which is to delay every single day he can and it has proved to be a successful tactic, at least three of the criminal cases have been differentiated are. but this is a case that went to trial and a jury of 12 people found him unanimously guilty of all 34 accounts. i do think that he will try to

appeal within the state system and within the federal system. he will try to get to the supreme court, the statement that you read, alicia, from president-elect references the supreme court. president-elect donald trump has the lot wrong. this has nothing to do with the presidential immunity decision from last year. the issue here is not that presidential immunity -- the charges here did not relate to anything that the former president did while he was in office. this is all information that is about conduct prior to his becoming president, but there are substantial legal issues that he is going to try to raise. i have to say my money is on giving the supreme court of the united states having interceded, it looks like president-elect donald trump's

behalf -- at least two occasions, i think there is certainly a significant chance that we will not see sentencing, but that does not take away from what harry pointed out, which is that here you have judge merchan issuing a decision that truly vindicates the rule of law. it is solomonic in the way he has fashioned the potential sentence, so, once again, i think judge merchan has done an incredible job in upholding sort of the finest of what this country should be and what the judiciary should be, and according to the criminal justice system, and also recognizing the president-elect donald trump, because he won the election, that this case should not lead to incarceration. that would interfere with his ability to be president.

>> let's walk through this timeline. it is currently january 3rd and i am here in washington, d.c. in part because a new congress is being sworn in. we were set to talk about the speakership fight that now seems sort of, i do not know, pedestrian. january 6th, monday, there is supposed to be the certification of a presidential election. four days later, on january 10th, you have a former president of the united states and future president of the united states set for sentencing. i understand the date can move in 10 days later, you have his inauguration. talk to me about the moments that we find ourselves in and just how surreal that timeline is. >> yeah, couple of things that stood out to me in that timeline. first, you have the sixth -- i did notice there is nobody that i know of that is out there, saying the sitting vice

president can interfere with the counting of the votes in that election, although that was the claim of president- elect donald trump in 2020. the january 6th date was never a memorable date before president-elect donald trump try to pressure his vice president into stealing the election for him and injure others. generally, that would not have been a thing to note. i guess it is one to note now, even though the democrats are not really doing anything in the spirit of what the incoming president did on that anniversary. another thing you did not even include in that in same timeline is between the 17th and the 10th -- you have the confirmation hearings of a state of astonishing usually unqualified officials, including on the 14th, a weekend fox news host who has no management experience at all and significant personal problems to lead the most

important military in the world, one of the largest organizations in the entire world. we could also go down the list of the rest of the folks who are going to be up for a pretty dramatic confirmation hearing. i guess the last thing i would say related to that is the speakership, today, while johnson did win, it showed how fragile that stuff is going to be on the hill. again, it is out of tradition, the fact there were nine members of his own conference that initially had opposed him. that is not something that has happened traditionally. so, i think you will see that kind of chaos when it comes to the upcoming other instances and senate. you know, with the exception of january 6th. >> i want to read a footnote

that our colleague, lisa rubin, highlighted in judge merchan's filing that specifically calls out trumps lawyers. he writes, it is clear that people have prosecuted this matter to the best of their abilities and the defense has represented their client zealously. there have been instances when in written submissions, counsel has come dangerously close to crossing the line of zealous representation in the professional advocacy one would expect from members of the bar and officers of the court. this court has at times made counsel aware of his observations and concerns. now, counsel has resorted to language and rhetoric that has no place in legal pleadings. be mindful of -- they say such arguments in the broader picture have the potential to create a chilling effect on the third branch of government. one of those lawyers is todd blanche, said to be number two at the doj. what does that tell you? >> look, we forget that trump did this a lot, including in that courtroom. they had really outlandish and not just meritless, but really sort of abusive claims and he

is supposed to be number two. the number four guy, john sawyer, just filed a very questionable, julius brief on monday in the u.s. supreme court. what trump is trying to say, and we will see more of it as andrew says, he will go up the line. the question is will he get a stay? you probably should not anyway because there is no irreparable harm if he is sentence and it is reversed later. that is the way it goes, but they really have to, you know, they will not be representing the u.s. government and some of this overheated rhetoric, which is really meant to play to the public, it is not only inappropriate for lawyers, but it is really terrible form for the government, for the deputy attorney general. he is trying somehow to say the people have spoken and you must do these things and if not, you are bringing chaos down on your head.

an intemperate think to say, but all the worse coming from someone in 17 days is going to take the oath of office as president. >> it is striking to me, andrew, you have that note from judge merchan and then you hold it up next to the response from team trump to that very same sentencing order, where you have a lot of sort president- elect donald trump's greatest hits. it is hard not to just see it in sharpie all caps and call this a witch hunt. he calls the case law less. he calls the judge "deeply conflicted." there is the word hoaxes. i do not know if they got to the footnotes the way that lisa rubin did or they then chose to just ignore it, but somehow, something in this response feels like a tell. >> i think there are two things to keep an eye out for.

the first is the one that you have been talking to harry and tim about, which is the question of the nominees and this is really focusing on two potential nominees, as harry said, for the deputy attorney general and the person reporting to the deputy attorney general, known as -- they are two important positions and it will be interesting to see, even though these are two people who have gotten very little attention because they appear to be some of the more qualified people that have been proposed by president-elect donald trump, but here you have judge merchan basically, once again, taking him to task for language in briefs -- we have been quite local on our podcast, and it is not appropriate language, even for the zealous advocacy that is required by defense counsel. it is really over the top. you really are seeing sort of what will happen when these potential nominees -- whether

they walk it back because they will be asked about this at their confirmation hearing, certainly, and the detrimental nature. but the second prong is president-elect donald trump. that is the more serious prong in some ways because he is really -- he is the head of our government and is running on this sort of antilock platform and he will be running that way. to sit there and denigrate the legal system and the civil system and the criminal justice system, here, obviously, if you were to convince an appellate court that he was wrongly convicted, so be it. that is his right, but that has not happened yet. he has not convinced any judge that is the case. it really is shocking because the rule of law, as judge merchan quotes the current chief justice, the rule of law is incumbent on our valuing the

court system and that is how we resolve things in this country. that is what separates us between a sort of state of nature and sort of a -- actually having a civilized society and i think that is a real sign of how president- elect donald trump plans to sort of -- i was going to say he should -- >> it is interesting to me, tim miller, that in the final page of this document from merchan, it says that he , president- elect donald trump, may choose to. his sentencing in person or virtually, given the way he sort of turned the courthouse into, you know, part of the stumping campaign trail. you think he shows up in person if this in fact proceed on january 10th? >> i do not know.

i was like, man, boy, maybe you are tempted if you are president-elect donald trump to show up and try to turn this around. to harry's point, this is less than a slap on the wrist. he will get his turn talking. trump could use that as part of his continued grievance campaign. i guess this is going back to your point about the calendar. i guess he is intending to do a rally on the 19th, the day before the inauguration, and at the stadium or the washington wizards, the basketball team, plays. this is what trump does. he does not do things traditionally. i guess at this point, you know, this sentencing, while i understand and respect it and it has legal significance and has historic significance for history books, as far as president-elect donald trump's political concerns are, at least related to the political concerns, the public facing concerns, this is nothing. it is hard for me to kind of

get my dander up about it because, frankly, trump -- he could decide to use this to turn it into a circus, as he is done in the past. i do not have any reason to believe it will harm him in any material way. >> all right, no one is going anywhere. when we return, a manhattan courtroom, rudy giuliani is on the stand. facing down a contempt ruling from running away from thank the two georgia election workers the $115 million he owes them. with the senate back in session, new scrutiny for president-elect donald trump's most controversial cabinet pics. wike senators are looking for more information about pentagon nominee pete hegseth today. the united states surgeon general calling for cancel warnings for alcohol in drinks. the health risks and the signs

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new reaction as a result of the presidential election reverberate. >> president-elect donald trump's return has shaken nato allies. >> the federal reserve is expected to lower interest rates for >> firefighters on both coasts battling dangerous places to extract from philadelphia and new hampshire -- and el paso piers from nbc world headquarters. >> rudy giuliani appeared and testified this afternoon for a hearing about whether he should be found in contempt of court for ignoring court orders. this all stems from giuliani refusing to turn over assets to meet the $146 million judgment against him in a defamation suit that georgia election workers won against the former trump attorney in new york city. they spent time since the judgment being hounded by the court to turn over his assets. the attorneys for freeman and maas argue it is part of a

consistent, willful defiance of the turnover orders. giuliani claims he has complied with the court's orders. giuliani attempted to skip the hearing with his attorney, asking the judge of his client could appear remotely as a result of medical issues with his left knee and breathing problems due to lung issues the tribunal to his presence at the world trade center site in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. we are back with harry, tim, and andrew. harry, talk me through today's hearing >> sure, first of all, this is contempt. he is really at the end of the line, having bobbed and weaved and used every excuse not to give property and other material, that these plaintiffs are entitled to, the motion in front of judge lyman is will i hold him in contempt? that means will i enter an order that requires him to comply, including, this might be the most likely option, putting him in jail, whereas he holds the keys to the jail cell

because he just has to give over the property. however, as you say, he did not want to testify, but the judge did not think much of that because he has been on podcast in the last few days and he wanted to submit declarations, which he did, basically saying how cooperative he is being, but he is now finished nine minutes of cross-examination. there will be more, but it will be remote. if they have continued it for later, he can do it in palm beach, but he is really looking at the end of the line and just lyman, a very thorough, excellent judge is obviously not -- he is frustrated at the end of his rope with them. giuliani was squirming and was not very persuasive on the stand. at one point, he said emails, they're not really communication or did not seem to pay much attention. he has not done himself much good, i think, but will he really pulled the trigger and

say you are going to jail unless you comply. that is the drama. >> that is part of the drama. andrew, giuliani does not have the water $46 million to pay the judgment, so they ordered to turn over assets like property and automobiles and jewelry. much of today's hearings was over a signed joe dimaggio jersey. is the goal to abstract giving up his remaining objects or is there something more at play? >> well, let's remind people what this case is about. >> yes, please. >> there was a civil case brought by these two in d.c. before judge beryl howell. in that case, rudy giuliani was found by the court to repeatedly violate a discovery obligation. he did not give documes er as required when he was getting sued. he repeatedly violated that

judge's orders and that resulted in various rulings against him and ultimately, they won their case for defamation to a jury and that defamation was rudy giuliani saying that they had tampered with the election system and there was lots of evidence about just the harm that they had inflicted on them because of rudy giuliani statements. that is why the award was over $140 million, as you noted, alicia. this really ruined their lives in substantial ways according to the jury verdicts. in light of all of that, the defamation finding, the repeated contempt that has already been found by judge howell in gc, now the plaintiffs are trying to collect on that money and as harry pointed out, he is not

turning a lot of things over according to the plaintiffs. one of the more amusing, although is nothing funny about this, what is being confronted with american express, a bill at a time that he is saying he has turned over all of his assets. he has a bill for pizza for $99 that resulted in judge lyman saying that is one pricey pizza. you know, the new yorkers, we know that is not what normal pizza costs. so, i think as harry said, it remains to be seen what the judge will do here, but normally, in a civil content case, you might have a fine, but here giuliani has already had a huge find that has been imposed with a civil case. the only real remedy will be to whether he will actually face

jail for this repeated contempt that has happened in this case, but i just want to make sure everyone understands the real harm that has happened to these two women as a result of conduct that was found by the jury was engaged in by rudy giuliani and falsely claiming that they had sought to tamper with votes in georgia. that was found to be false and that led to enormous repercussions in their lives and threats of violence. that is what the case is about, so this -- it is no laughing matter and i think it will weigh heavily on judge liman , trying to seek justice for these two women. >> tim, i'm so grateful to andrew weissmann for getting us focus on what matters and why this story has been one we have continued to follow. ruby freeman and wandrea moss

not only paid a personal price, but they showed us what it would be like for people to have enough backbone to go up against trump and the trump machine and the brave and understand that might come with its own set of consequences. for what we are watching, rudy giuliani, what we watched him do, the roots of this, and what we are watching now, this sort of bobbing and weaving and attempting to escape accountability, it is all part of a playbook that we have seen, one, over and over again. i think it is part of the frustration that a lot of folks feel not only with the past four years, but with what is forthcoming if you have folks who are able to continue to evade responsibility and accountability. >> yeah. i cannot get my dander up over this one. what happened is was horrible. i was blown away by their courage and their bravery in testifying. it was not nothing. to add on to andrew's point, if

was fabricated. it was a total fabrication to advance the lies of president- elect donald trump, right? rudy is acting as his henchman and pushed these lies and smeared these women and force them out of their homes and to have to deal with real serious repercussions, so he is already starting to pay up. it is time to pay up more and it is time to pass over that joe dimaggio jersey. sorry, mr. mayor, but that no longer gets to be hanging on the wall. figure out how to get these women the damages that they deserve. this is one of the many stories of the trump-era. you can take this as something to be upset about or to have a split view about, but while president-elect donald trump has used these tactics to get away with it in many cases, a lot of the people around them have not. rudy giuliani is suffering real

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the 119th congress will see one of his most important, most pressing obligations, confirming or perhaps not confirming president-elect donald trump's cabinet selections. while there are serious question marks associated with a number of those potential appointees, new reporting indicates members of the senate are seeking additional information on one person in particular. pete hegseth, the fox news host to lead the department of defense. communications reviewed by abc news suggest a top democrat and the top republican on the senate armed services committee have quietly sought information from the veterans organization hegseth once ran.

as well as the district attorney in monterey county, california. the committee appears to be looking deeper into recently reported accusations of a 2017 sexual assault as well as allegations of misconduct on hegseth spark -- headsets apart. no charges were either filed in either instance. the lawyer for hegseth says he is cooperating fully. senators are going about a fact- finding mission anyway. joining us now, a ceo and -- tim is also back with us. what does it say to you, allison, that both parties are interested in this. doesn't mean anything for the confirmation hearing? to make it is great on this specific topic that the senators are doing their due diligence, but i think what is not talked about often enough is the fact it is public that he actively lobbied to get war criminals pardoned by the former president, who is now president-elect. i think what needs more attention is not the things that we do not have details on,

but -- should be elevating somebody into the role of secretary of defense who thinks war crimes are permissible? >> what you think about that, tim? >> i agree with that. the question is will that be persuasive to republican senators? i am pretty skeptical. i wish we lived in a world where that was a persuasive argument to republican senators. i am not sure it will be. the sexual assault allegations, i think joni ernst could potentially be interested in that. just the inability to manage or are -- a scandal going to management. it is not a stretch for republican senators to care about it, but look at mitch mcconnell and other folks that hold the military in high regard. this is a preposterous nomination and i think the more information that comes out that reveals how ridiculous of a nomination it is, the more likelihood there is you can get to that number four republican senators that you would need and if there are additional, if there is additional information

with regards to his lobbying for pardons, whether it is corruption or other things that might persuade a certain senator -- i think that is basically the standpoint. >> i was walking temper the timeline, moving from today when we have congress being sworn in next weekend when we have the certification of the election results. tim said you do have the confirmation hearings in the middle of all of that. this is all happening soon. what would you ask hegseth if you are a u.s. senator and in that confirmation hearing. what would be the item you would press him on and how would you press him? >> well, given the cornucopia of issues. >> it sounds like tim is very skeptical of some of the republican senators, but you have some who served, so, you know, me and my role -- you have dan sullivan. you have joni ernst. you have lindsey graham, who have all served and had to

uphold standards of conduct in the united states military, who have adhered to the geneva conventions, which hegseth says he wants to do away with or at least allow people not to hear to them anymore and i think those members of the united states senate should stand in their identity as members of the armed services in some cases or retirees and ask him some hard questions about the code they hold themselves to and the cody is seemingly not willing to hold himself to and would not hold other members of the united states military to as well and what the implications would be for our national security. >> as i hear allison talk about a standard that people hold themselves to, i'm reminded how after the election, republicans talked about a mandate from the american people, essentially that they should just rubber- stamp trumps nominees. i wondered, getting what we watched both in terms of the

budget fight, the speaker's fight, if you feel that the contours of that have actually shifted a little? >> i do. i think he feels weaker on november 6th in part because, you know, the extent of the popular vote victory has narrowed. the house victory was not as big as it looked on election night. so, there is some of that happening. there is also the practical element. these majorities are so narrow. you do have susan collins and lisa murkowski, who have been relatively moderate in the senate, then you can only lose one or two others. they also mentioned john curtis, the new senator replacing mitt romney from utah. i think he was recently quoted in an interview saying if trump has a mandate, have a bigger mandate because i got more votes than him. it shows they are on thin ice over on capitol hill. you know, it looked differently had he swept the senate seats

and had 56 or 57 senators. we will have a different conversation, so, look, i think you will not make any money betting on republicans on the hill to show a backbone and stand up to donald trump, but i think it is more tenuous than it looked a month or two ago. >> that is a compelling opinion piece in the times. it was a marine corps veteran -- they said i would like to speak up for the suckers and losers. after all, i am one. i was a 2102, taking the oath of office. 20 years later, i'm convinced america can be a force for good and soldiering is an honorable profession. i have not learned my lesson or lost my admiration for those met for men without honesty or honor. there might be benefits to his skepticism about commitments abroad, but a military with meager moral purpose nor commitment to moral conduct is a military that fights without honor. >> that is a great piece and i

think phil speaks for a lot of us. i served in the iraq war and i deployed there twice. the first time i was deployed, you know, to come full circle to how we have rules and codes and ways that we conduct ourselves on the battlefield. i lost a buddy that i worked with every day. he lost his life following the rules of engagement and while that was very difficult and it was very difficult to look into the eyes of my troops who were guided by that experience, what a good leader does in that moment they say, this sucks, but the rules that we have in place are in place for a reason because we are a moral, honorable country, and even if we wage war, we will do so honorably as well, and a good leader and a leader who i would want to see elevated at the department of defense, would also carry that same message to troops, even though they know sometimes are following the

rules will cause there to be severe consequences and, you know, phil makes a good point that while we should wrestle with when and where we get involved in war going forward, we should also talk about and consider the way in which we do so. >> you hold the invisible line. there is an opportunity of not having the wrong person. thank you so much. when we return, the science on the surgeon general's eye- popping call that alcoholic beverages should contain warnings for cancer. our medical and support -- expert will join us after a short break.

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the united states surgeon general has released a report highlighting the risk of alcohol use. consumption is a leading preventable cause of at least seven types of surgeon general murthy, alcohol directly contributes to 100,000 cases of cancer and 20,000 related deaths each year. among the highlighted probably all a beverages to carry warning labels on their packaging, the same way cigarettes do. in order for that measure to be put in place, congress would need to act. joining us now, global health policy expert and msnbc medical contributor, dr. vin gupta. tell me how to make sense >> well, happy new year.

here is what i would say. you talk to any medical provider, they will probably tell you they have seen the risks of alcohol outweigh the benefits. i see the worst field. i think a lot of us have wondered then if it versus harm. here is also important context. when we think about, for example, larynx cancer, this was something highlighted in the report, and there is a finding here that moderate a 1.4 times increased risk of larynx cancer versus nondrinkers. this is not just summarily ignored by the american public, is what is the risk of larynx cancer to begin with? say you're not a smoker and you're eating right and you are fit and exercising and you are engaged in moderate drinking. fine, that is one risk, but

probably very low. increased risk of 1.4 times although risk is probably still very low. that is the context. if you are doing all the right things, eating right, aerobic activity, you and i talked about this and you do not have a genetic history of cancer. your risk for moderate drinking is a -- on top of one of these cancers is not going to be terribly high. it is not like smoking and lung cancer. i want to make sure we have that context for the american public. yes, it is a carcinogen. alcohol is a carcinogen. we do not think it from that standpoint. it might have some heart health benefits, but doesn't pose the same risk as smoking does to the lungs? no, it does not. we have to think about this holistically. >> he spoke about the benefits of cardiovascular activity because i saw you said, is that dr. vin gupta? in fact, it was, living his best life, practicing what he preaches. talk to me about the amount of alcohol because as you said, there are multiple factors at

play, including whether or not you drink. >> holistic health, poured -- >> oh, my god, yes. >> this is either really light white wine or water. >> or tequila? >> so, this is it. here is the benefit to this is a properly poured want here is -- you're getting dual advice, medical and winetasting advice. you want the wine to come up of the wineglass, where it is widest. that is where you want the wine to hit you do not wanted to go after. the goals not to pour as much wine has fits in the wineglass. that is not a proper glass of wine. it is up to the widest point.

here's the benefit from the winetasting perspective. it will create the most amount of surface area for oxidation, so it will be better tasting wine and better for your health and you will not risk over drinking and that is really the they have -- they are not safe in any amount. there is a carcinogen. they are a carcinogen that we have known. i'm glad this is out there. other potential heart health benefits? yes, there are pros and cons. if done properly, wanted not overboard. you can enjoy life and i think that is the point, moderation is still recommended. you need to think about things holistically and in context. >> doctor, we talked about gender. the surgeon general pointed to one in every six cases alcohol. >> there is that link and breast cancer, that is why amongst women, we recommend one glass or one portal or one beverage per day as the maximum daily allotted amount versus ferment, up

a link to breast cancer, specifically, and also colorectal cancer. it is important to say i think this -- we are talking about these risks and even ways for the breast cancer risk is something to keep in mind and if you are watching, let's say you're somebody in her late 30s or early 40s and you're someone that engages in moderate drinking, that should be informing making a primary care appointment and making sure now 40. do all the primary care screenings. stay active and eat well. you can enjoy a glass of wine. the point here is holistic risk, not just looking at one specific risk factor and all that. >> general makes this recommendation, but as we said in the opening, it would take congress actually vote on thus to begin seeing that type of warning on an alcoholic

beverage. what then becomes the societal to exist on alcohol? >> well, the benefit here is we are talking about it. you and i are talking about something that -- drinking that we were not having all these many years and many decades ago. they say it is not potentially only good for you, but there might be some risks. we previously set moderate drinking is great for the risk. now we are talking about pros and cons. >> dr. vin gupta, as always, thank you for joining us and thank you for that incredible display of how to pour a glass. we will take a quick break and be right back. be right back. helps me get the full benefits of magnesium. qunol. the brand i trust.

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