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always. if you ever watch an episode of succession, you always know that money does not buy happiness. but what he did find is happiness is often in comparison to how wealthy the people around you are. some challenged his ideas over the years and one thing he said could improve happiness is good health and a good family life. his advice, focus on your family. stop comparing your status to anyone else's. it is about relationships. and not just the size of your bank account. i think that is an important thing for all of us to think about as we are making vision boards, mantras. and what we are manifesting in our resolutions for the year. try to spend more time with your family and care about people more. evan, i'm glad you are ending the show healthyish. ron, i'm glad you are here with us. mary, you are always a brilliant superstar and i'm lucky you are with us.
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on that note, i wish you all a very, very good night. i'm blessed to be back here with you again. i missed you. remember you can catch the night cap again on saturday. that means tomorrow night at 11:00 p.m. eastern. right now, we are going to sign off. from all of our colleagues across the networks of [ music ] , thanks for staying up late yet again. i'll seal you at the end of monday. today house speaker mike johnson has held onto his gavel. he was reelected speaker by a single vote on the first ballot. then he celebrated his victory with a prayer. >> it is said each day of his
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eight years of the presidency, and every day there after until his death, president thomas jefferson recited this prayer. his prayer for the nation. almighty god who has given us this good land for her heritage, we humbly beseech thee we always are glad to do thy will. >> it is said, but it was not subtle. that was how mike son son chose to begin johnson chose to start the congress. thomas jefferson's historic home is a world heritage site and on its website, you can find a lot of useful historical resources including a whole section of quotations where historians debunk the quotes attributed to our nation's
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third president. it is a helpful resource for anyone with a crazy uncle who posts those quotes on facebook. it would be helpful for writing a speaker of the house acceptance speech. here is what monticello had to say about the prayer. quote, we have no evidence of this prior was written or delivered by thomas jefferson. ultimately, it seems unlikely jefferson would have composed or delivered a public prayer of this sort. end quote. sort of fitting that mike johnson would begin his new term as speaker by rewriting history. it is one of his top legislative priorities. until a week ago, it seemed an open question if he would remain speaker of the house. president-elect trump and his co-president elon musk had whipped hard line republicans into a revolt forcing democrats
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to bail him out at the last minute. but then, earlier this week, donald trump endorsed him. last night just ahead of the vote, johnson demonstrated his fealty to trump with a promise to rewrite history about january 6th. since taking back the house in 2023, republicans have already wasted time and resources trying to discredit the january 6th committee's investigation into his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. trump wants them to continue trying to discredit that investigation even though he just won the last election. and make johnson made it clear he is happy to go along with that. last night, mike johnson tweeted the january 6th select committee manipulated and
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destroyed evidence. it created a fake narrative all to try and hurt trump. house republicans will continue our investigation into this corrupt committee. and so today, when johnson speakership looked like it might be in peril, trump decided he would help mike johnson. when the vote for speaker began, three republicans voted against johnson. thomas massie, ralph norman and keith self. which left johnson two votes shy of victory. then he huddled with represents norman and self. punch bowl news was first to report during that meeting, donald trump got on the phone with the two hold-outs and lobbied them to change their votes. which they promptly did giving mike johnson just enough support to remain speaker of the house. speaker johnson was asked about trump's role in helping him
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remain speaker. >> how was trump's support? >> president trump is the most powerful, certainly the most powerful president of the modern era. maybe in all of american history. and his voice and influence is singular importance. >> the answer was trump is the most powerful president in american history. it is clear that mike johnson will do all he can in the hopes of staying in the erratic president-elect's good graces. trump sees loyalty as a one way street. trump has demonstrated time and time again he will happily throw his own endorsed speaker of the house under the bus when it suits him so mike johnson remains speaker of the house for now stuck between an unruly
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narrow majority and demanding vindictive president. who wouldn't want that job? joining me now is phil bump and shakeer, adviser to bernie sanders. good evening to both of you. phillip, a week ago on this show, alex asked you about how you thought this was going to go. >> phillip, tim, who here believes that we will have a speaker on january 6th? i'll start with you phillip. >> oh yeah. look, republicans in congress are focused on one thing. keeping donald trump happy. and nothing will frustrate him more than delays to his becoming president. i am 100% confident no one wants to be the one that made
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it so his january 6th didn't go the way the last one did. >> 100% confidence from phillip bump. >> absolutely. >> rarely happens these days. what you suspected happened. what happens next? >> donald trump of course we know he has the power to wield a hammer over the heads of republican legislators. the narrow house majority really plays to his advantage. this wasn't the case we had two years ago with republicans complaining about kevin mccarthy, this was two or three people and two or three people is a very easy number for donald trump to lean on. he can call them, tweet about them. post on truth social. encourage them to be the targets of primaries. there are all sorts of ways.
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if it comes down to a couple of people it is easier for donald trump and this machine to influence those people than to influence ten or 12. of course this was going to happen. because donald trump is worried about january 6th and the counting of the electoral ballot to the point he complains on truth social about the flag being half staff in honor of jimmy carter. this is how concerned he is. of course the republican party was going to make him happy. >> fez, donald trump took that to mean something different. in a social media post, he called johnson's razor thin victory quote an unprecedented vote of confidence. talk to me about that because that is simply not the case. it was a razor thin victory. look, a victory is a victory. johnson got it to work.
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the election was not a landslide. >> project power. in his support in congress. there is a substantiative reason for that. they are about to head into governing and they made an agreement according to what we read in a lot of outlets. when they pass government funding just a couple of weeks ago, they said they were going to raise the debt ceiling by $1.5 trillion in exchange for $2.5 trillion in cuts and mandatory spending. social security and medicare. and so, they have a governing problem. they don't know what problem they are trying to solve. you could argue the republicans came into the presidency and
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the house and the senate with power at their backs because middle class and working class americans were worry about the cost of living. they are struggling economically. here comes the republican agenda right off the bat saying tax cuts for the rich. let's cut medicare. medicaid, social security, food stamps. and it is not clear what problem are you trying to solve? >> it is interesting phil, because i heard people say the problem, i heard this from joe walsh who said there was an antiestablishment sense of the tea party. these members who voted against the resolution last week, feels like like anti-establishment. feels like anti-government. feels like anti-letting the place work and that's a bit of a problem. >> yeah. it has an agenda which is to
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try and game the currency of the right. they are focused on attention. this is one of the reasons why donald trump was able to have leverage over them. because they understand they don't want the negative attention that comes from donald trump. so you constantly outdoor experience do the other person. to the point where you are constantly upping the ante so your rhetoric against the government is more roe bust. there is sub text to donald trump's election that had nothing to do with the economy but when we are talking about these legislators, the person who goes on sean hannity's fox news program and says i think all government should be abolished will be more popular than cutting budgets by 20%. >> and yet, fez, the things
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people say say voted for donald trump for, they believe there are some things people can't do on their own. you maybe shovel your own snow and plow your own streets an all that kind of stuff. but you can't bring inflation down on your own. you can't provide health care on your own. so in fact, many of those people were dissatisfied by what government was doing and they liked government to do those things. and yet, that doesn't seem to be on the agenda as you have pointed out. >> right. there has been moments you remember, during the campaign, trump would offer some populist rhetoric uncommon for a republican to say. he would suggest i'm going to go after the pharmacy benefit managers. the big middlemen making drug prices too high. he would suggest going after credit card interest rates and reduce your taxes on social security.
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make your benefit bigger. there were ways in which he was talking that were appealing to people suffering from higher cost of living. you could argue it was speaking to their concerns but now, almost all of those things were cut out of the government funding bill. so you now are having the rubber hit the road. the people who voted for donald trump and heard things, these have evaporated very quickly and are not being mentioned at all in the course of these budgets being discussed. you will have massive budget fights. >> and they will come soon. guys, thank you very much for kicking us off tonight. we appreciate your time phil, any time both of you get anything right, we will play it again after it happens so thank you very much. we have a lot more to get
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to, tonight. like now that the republicans have cleared this one hurdle selecting their house speaker, here comes another one. i will talk about what that is and how democrats are strategizing with brendan boyle of pennsylvania next. then donald trump has a date with destiny. next week. stay with us. with destiny. next week. stay with us. have you always had trouble with your weight? same. discover the power of wegovy®. with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. and i'm keeping the weight off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only weight-management medicine proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events such as death, heart attack, or stroke in adults with known heart disease and obesity. don't use wegovy® with semaglutide or glp-1 medicines, or in children under 12. don't take if you or your family had mtc, men 2, or if allergic to it. tell your provider if you plan to have surgery or a procedure, are breastfeeding, pregnant, or plan to be.
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speaker kevin mccarthy expired so it is up to the new congress where republicans hold that slim majority to raise the debt ceiling or have the u.s. face its first ever currency default. potentially in the next few months. but many people are not playing ball. in fact, last month when donald trump asked republicans to raise the debt ceiling, scrap it entirely or suspend it during his second term, more than 30 republicans ignored him altogether. and now mike johnson has made the standoff even more politically complex by hinting that a debt ceiling could happen through budget reconciliation. which is a fast track procedure that would allow them to pass a bill through the house and the senate along a party line vote. it is a process democrats and several republicans are rejecting at least for the debt ceiling so where are we headed and how do republicans plan to handle this little thing called governing? joining me now is brendan boyle, the top democrat on the
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house budget committee. it is important to have a conversation with you. by definition, that means you and your committee, budgeting and appropriations are the only things that actually have to happen by law in congress and yet, it is one of the things congress has the greatest difficulty in getting done. >> it's great to be back with you. you are back, for mike johnson, today is the early part. i think speaker johnson is going to have an impossible task of attempting to pacify the most extreme members of his conference and at the same time, pacify donald trump. that will be an impossible choice. add onto that, just normal annual issue of passing an
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appropriations bill, you also have this issue of the debt ceiling. we are now in what has been labeled extraordinary measures. if we don't pass an increase of the debt ceiling before the summer we would be talking about the full faith and credit of the united states actually coming into question for the first time in american history. >> and security measures are not hard for people to understand. the similar thing you do in your household if you were not able to make your obligations. treasury can do that for a little while. then they can't any longer. we are now in that phase, you have to fix this. we are one of the only places in the world with anything like a debt ceiling. the understanding is that the negotiations between republicans and democrats about how much we spend should be done on the front end and the payments on the back end
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without further negotiations. once you run up the bills you have to pay for them. >> treasury and congress came up with the concept of the debt ceiling to make it easier for the trashery department to meet our debt obligations. however, since the tea party congress took over after the 2010 elections, they weaponnized the concept of the debt ceiling in order to bargain for things that are completely unpopular. we came damn close in the summer of 2011 of going over the cliff and around this time two years ago. we need to have a permanent end to the right wing republican weaponnization of the debt ceiling once and for will. >> donald trump decided there should be no debt ceiling. he has particular reasoning for not wanting that to be the
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case. where are our viewers and where are people supposed to fall on this one? what's the understanding of what success looks like as it relate to this particular discussion? >> so i think we have to draw a key distinction here. i have always been a believer of permanently reforming the debt ceiling to end the weaponnization of it. i'm the author of the debt ceiling. cosponsored by more than 60 house democrats. sound legislation that would accomplish that. a permanent fix. that's a big difference between my bill and what the republicans are talking about. preemptively raising the debt ceiling by four-and-a-half trillion dollars in order to pay for their permanent extension of tax cuts that mostly go to millionaires and billionaires. we have never preemptively raised the debt ceiling in order to pay for anything let alone tax cuts for the top 1%.
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>> i want to play for you something because you are on a committee in which chip roy also sits. the deficit hawk he is. let's listen to how he explains this issue of fiscal responsibility. >> we were making clear a block of us will be watching very closely. we need to deliver. we need all of it to reduce deficits. not with made up growth rates but very specific recognition that whatever we do with tax policy must have strong offsetting cuts. >> whatever we do with tax policy must have strong offsetting cuts. that isn't a rule that
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republicans tend to attach the wealthy. if people got a $600 check, they had to twist themselves into knots to get that done. but for the wealthy and corporations, chip roy has less to say. >> let's say the president in american history who added most to the national debt is donald trump. he added more to the national debt in four years than almost every president had ever added. even those who served eight years. i like to say republicans deeply care, about the national debt when there is a democrat in the white house. then when there is a republican in the white house and they have an opportunity to pass trillions of dollars of tax cuts, they couldn't care less. but if folks like chip roy, i think chip is one of the few who is sincere when it comes to this debt issue, if they are going to really succeed in passing their agenda, and pass trillions of dollars worth of tax cuts, there is only a few sources they can go in order to
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achieve that. it would be trillion dollar cuts to social security, medicare, and medicaid because that is the vast majority of what the government spends on. >> thank you for joining us, we should probably have a fuller december cigarettes on how this moves forward outside of this highly politicized environment. this is the normal order they take on an annual basis. i thank you for your time. still to come, a slogan associated with trump's false claims he won in to 22 made it halfway around the world: and the judge overseeing felony convictions. we'll have more on that next. w
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before today, january 10th was just another day on donald trump's calendar. this afternoon, judge merchan earmarked that date for trump's sentencing in the new york hush money case. he announced it in an 18-page ruling upholding the conviction but also signaled he is not planning to put the president- elect behind bars saying in his ruling quote while this court
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as a matter of law must not make any determination on sentencing, prior to giving the parties and defendant opportunity to be heard, it seems proper at this juncture to make known the court's inclination to not impose any sentence of incarceration. a sentence of an unconditional discharge seem to be the most viable solution. it means trump would avoid jail time or other serious punishment but still have a conviction on his record. he is expected to ask an appeals court to postpone the sentencing but this is a real possibility when he takes the oath of office, he will be the first felon to do so. joining me are lisa rubin and christy greenberg. good evening to both of you. thank you for being with us. lisa, this is one of those
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things i always turn to you for. i didn't really understand all the words the judge said so can you tell me what they mean? >> what the judge is saying is presidential immunity and a host of other arguments are not sufficient to overcome a convict been sentenced. it will not involve any jail time so why sentence him at all? i would submit to you that what judge merchan has in mind is an opportunity to speak to trump directly. judge to defendant. and have that be part of the record of accountability in this case. kristi knows better than i have having seen hundreds of sentencings in her time as a prosecutor that moment between a judge and a convicted defendant can be a very powerful one. and the judge seem to be saying i want the record to reflect the gravity of this moment.
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this is a person found guilty by 12 of his peers and he should have to listen to my telling him why it is i was unwilling to let him go and become president of the united states and yet, not have to go through sentencing proceeding. >> let's pick that up. talk to me about that. for some of us, it's black or white. he is going to jail or he is not. and it seems here that judge merchan is saying no, there is a moment here. there is a historical moment. something important about the judicial system. and donald trump will have to go through that. explain what that feels like. >> this is a point in any criminal case where it is the time the defendant gets to speak to the judge. show some remorse. i don't expect we will see that from donald trump. but a chance for the judge to speak about this offense.
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what is so fascinating is he has previewed a lot of that already. one of the things he was dealing with was a motion to dismiss the entire case. there were a number of factors the judge had to go through similar to what he would have to say at sentencing that he has already actually addressed in this opinion. this is really important information he is putting on the record. what you hear repeatedly is well, how serious was this? it is just some documents. it wasn't worthy of the seriousness of a criminal charge. and judge merchan is putting that aside saying no, i reject that, this is a serious offense that was premeditated. to vacate that would constitute
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a completely disproportionate result. it would create immeasurable damage to the citizens' confidence in the rule of law. here is the judge saying this was serious. and by the way, you attacking all the witnesses, you saying michael cohen perjured himself. i don't agree with that. this evidence supported this difficult verdict and in this motion he said you are asking me to weigh in on your character and i am doing that. you are asking me to weigh in on your character and i will do it. it is very restrained but he is clear, he talks about trump's disdain for the third branch of government. and that is a public record. the lengths donald trump has gone through to attack judges and juries and the system as a
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whole. so the defendants' character here, i can't say that weighs in his favor. this is an extraordinary thing for a judge to say about someone skeptical to take the oval office. i thought part of what judge merchan was trying to do even if the sentencing does not happen is be clear about the fact that this case was a legitimate and serious case he presided over. the jury's verdict was one that should not be questioned. the jury did its job and he is going to defend it. >> lisa, one of the things we understand with donald trump and court cases, nothing is what it appears to be. donald trump continues to want to delay this sentencing but for now, it is scheduled for january the 10th. without the sentencing he can't appeal the conviction. he would like to appeal the conviction as well. >> yes and no. you are right that under new
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york law, he cannot appeal until there is a sentencing because it is not until the sentencing that the conviction is finalized however, trump hadn't moved this case to federal court. >> this can't be happening! i must know what she is saying! what is she saying? hold on. all right, you know what? wait, we got, i see lisa's lips moving. lisa, you're back. >> i was just saying donald trump is going to try to pose an appeal on the federal system on the grounds he has a federal defense here based on presidential immunity. he tried to do that over the summer. it was his second attempt at going so. but he still has an appeal pending at the second circuit. the federal court of appeals, expect him to try and use the federal courts, not the new york state courts, as a lever to postpone the sentencing any day that gets him beyond noon january 20th is a victory.
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at that point, he become procedurally immune. >> thank you. thank you both for your time tonight. still ahead, thousands of protesters gathered today holding stop the steal signs in front of the presidential residence in south korea. why were south korean protesters referencing donald trump? i'll explain next. eferencing d trump? i'll explain next. you don't hurt because you're old. you hurt because your mattress stinks. which makes our job a lot easier. sleeping on purple improves your energy by 20%. which is awful. for us. it's very good news for you.
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been impeached but not removed is under criminal investigation for allegations of insurrection. you may remember a month ago, president yoon surprised his nation and the world by declaring martial law leading to its own hours long stand off. south korean troops tried to force their way into parliament and south korean politicians voted to rescind his decree. while thousands of citizens protested in the streets. at the time, the six hours of martial law felt like chaos. they have been holding testimony from key officials and what they learned appears to be that yoon's declaration of martial law was less chaos and more of a premeditated plan to up end the democracy that
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got botched. met at a hamburger joint and stepped out a plan. once martial law was declared, troops would enter the election commission's office and move employees to the basement, using zip ties and masks if necessary. then, the troops would check the election machines for any security breaches, end quote. on the night martial law was declared, troops were deployed to the election commission even before the president issued his decree. they seized night shift employee cell phones and began photographing election machines. back in april, south korea's opposition party won the election ins a landslide over the president's party. so after declaring martial law, president yoon claimed he was doing so not to seize power from his opponents but because
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the election had i hope you are sitting down for this, because the election had been stolen. if any of this sounds familiar to you, you are not alone. for hours today, pro yoon protesters outside the president's residence waved american flags and held signs that said stop the steal. a direct reference to donald trump's election claims in the united states. so what happens now? and what should we make of south korean citizens invoking the united states while cheering on an alleged insurrection? the new york times opinion columnist nick kristophe joins me next to discuss. me next to discuss.
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blocked his detainment. this comes after he declared martial law. some sought to legitimize his power grab by name checking donald trump. >> i don't know. mp. >> i don't know. [ spe aking in a global language ] >> now trump hasn't yet weighed in on the recent events in south korea but what does it mean for south korea's young but strong democracy? this is a uniquely important
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story for a lot of reasons. south korea is a strong american ally in a supremely troubled part of the world right now and number two, they do have a history of accountability when it comes to corruption or when it comes to election malfeasance. is this their system working or is their system broken? >> i think it's both. look, at one level, south korea is wrestling with the same problems americans did. trying to institute accountability for a leader who tries to mount a coup. and south korean lawmakers forced their way into the national assembly. they overturned the order of martial law. impeached the president, suspended him. and now there is a real effort
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to impose criminal accountability that was blocked today. but there is something inspiring about south korean lawmakers and public thinkers and just ordinary citizens trying to hold a leader accountable for trying to undermine their democracy. but there is also this other side where it does represent incredible polarization. it is a challenge for south korea now without effective leadership. if there is a crisis to me it is inspiring to see. >> you know it well. and i wanted to know. what you take away from it. we know there are popular movements across the world that have tilted a little bit to the right and anti-democratic. what i haven't yet seen, and we
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have instances in georgia, and in croatia and austria. hungary. what i haven't seen is is a straight up stop the steal type thing with english signs. people might say donald trump has it right in terms of power to the people. this is different. this has a uniquely american flavor. >> both sides look to the united states for examples and those supporting president yoon turned to president trump. they do look at american effort to create accountability. and south korea has is democracy because they were so many south korean leaders who in the 1980s were inspired and
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backed by democracy activists in the u.s. this is not the first time south korea is imposing accountability on former leaders. by my count, there are six former presidents of south korea who have been prosecuted or they have gone after them. one was sentenced to 25 years in prison, one sentenced to death. this effort to make clear that all people are equal before the law, that runs deep in south korea. >> which is interesting. when we were talking about holding donald trump accountable for alleged crimes, people say they will change the country. it will never be the same. and people like you were pointing out actually, in other places in the world, they do hold people accountable. there are lots of elected leaders who have gone to jail and many who might now in the
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coming years, that part is something we haven't quite mastered in the united states. there are certain things in which a president is immune for in the pursuit of the things he or she does while in office. insurrection is not one of them. that's right and it is very tempting in america to warm the procession of former leaders being prosecuted and think what a dysfunctional country and i have come to admire their determination to hold former leaders accountable. they have a problem with polarization and deep distrust that can render politics hard to mismanage. >> we have two particular issues related to south korea. one is north korea, a blustery country with nuclear weapons. and the other is china, which is all sorts of issues and we
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are trying to determine where china is ally and where china is adversary. strikes me as a result of that because of our military presence in south korea and our commitments to south korea that south korean stability is uniquely important. we haven't heard from donald trump on this yet. what can or should america's take be on what is happening in south korea? >> the u.s. need to make clear this is for the south koreans to decide. we in the past interfered too much with their political system. but we should support democracy and support the rule of law there but it is not up to us to pick winners. we should be clear we are supporting south korea. north korea approximately a year ago adopted a new approach footprint south korea that is much more militant. there are concerns it might not exactly start a new korean war,
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but launch strikes against offshore islands for example. challenge south korea in territorial waters. and i think we should be, you know, very clear that we would assist south korea if there is any effort by north korea to take advantage of this situation. >> it's not a conversation we have time for tonight, nick, but we should have it one of these days. there are some liberal movements taking place across the world we should be concerned about. and how donald trump plays into that will be an issue we have to confront the next year or two, but we appreciate you joining us. that's our show for tonight. you can catch me back here weekends at 10:00
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