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welcome back to "the weekend." we begin this hour focused on accountability. donald trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 45 counts of the indictment of his sentencing, and the judge said that the defendant is not only sentenced to but the adjournment has led us to the path that we are on and any claim that defendant has claimed that this court cannot

sentence him is disingenuous. and he upheld the sentencing january 10th almost certainly means that trump is going to be the first felon, the first felon to serve as president of the united states. if the sentencing goes forwarding as planned, it is going to come on the first anniversary of the attack on the capitol where donald trump has all but escaped his accountability of attempting to overturn a free and fair election. this week, president biden honored bennie thompson and liz cheney with the citizens president medal for their work on the january 6th committee. and joining us with their work on the committee is former congressman denver riggleman and

also former police officer harry dunn. >> thank you both for being with us, and congressman, i guess, what is happening in the world? there is a sense that people, we can -- i don't want people to get desensitized by everything that is happening here. michael is absolutely correct that donald trump is going to be sentenced, and now, nothing is going to happen to him, and let's be clear and judge marshan is clear that he is going to be convicted by a jury and he is not going to be doing any jail time or any fines, but he was convicted, and then a week later, a little over a week later, he is going to go on the assume to office of the presidency. put a finer point on it for us. >> well, it is somebody who used the word gobsmacked which is the best word when thinking about a

felon to be serving as the president of the united states, and good to see you, harry, and it is also a slap to the people who protected the capitol that day, and when going home, i was thinking of harry and liz cheney and only been out of congress for three days, and in the second impeachment, i was asked for a preliminary report on the individuals that we saw attack the people there, and we saw seven separate separatist groups and the posts they were whether it was the donald.win or some of the encrypted chats or facebook group posts there, and this is well before the january 6th committee, and when i look at the data that i saw there, and the fact that we sau saw q anon things, and the fact that he shcoming out with the fact that

he is a felon and convicted sex yule felon -- sexual felon, an is just gob smacking. and how the other party did not take the vote, and i don't know if it is a testament to the new alternate media channels out there, and there is a rot that is happening in the dynamic society, and i don't know how to get my arms around it with the data that i saw on the january 6th committee. >> with the data and the consequences that we saw on january 6th. you had congressman raskin talking about what this all means. take a listen. >> this is perhaps the most well documented crime in american history, around certainly the most well documented crime against a group of police officers. we had 140 officers who were

wounded with dramatic brain injuries and who got strokes, heart attacks, broken shoulders, neck, ribs, jaws, nose, skulls -- you name it -- all of it. so, i think that we have to bear down and make sure that people are studying each of these case, and donald trump has to take full responsibility and accountability for whatever happens with each of these people. >> so, for a little bit more context, congressman is talking about potential pardons for those who participated in the january 6th attack. what do you think is going to happen if he pardons them. >> well, it is going on to soften the blow, and in this day and age we are searching for the moral victory, but it does not erase the pardon of them found guilty from a jury of their peers, and the jury of their

peers got it right. but if you are looking at the people in jail, and the people who went to jail, and those people were not sitting in jail for months and years for trespassing. they went to jail for assaulting police officers, and the broken bones and the limbs, and they had the opportunity to bypass all of the officers and just go into the capitol and they had us that outnumbered that many. and michael finone was on the ground, and they could have bypassed him and simple that you were in our way and no, they were there with the intent to harm and hurt people who were in the way. and unfortunately for the men and women who were there with the metropolitan police, it was that nobody was hurt with the members of congress, democrats or republicans or maga supporter

or whoever, they protected everyone and nobody was harmed that day. >> and the revolution supporting the police officers and committing themselves by recognizing and awarding those officers --? the congressional gold medal. >> so, yeah. >> wait, to that point, be clear, they did actually, and not the gold medal, but there was a resolution that passed in congress, the plaque that was supposed to go up which speaker mike johnson has failed to put up. it was -- it has passed in law and signed into law under the last congress and speaker mike johnson has refused to put it up, and that is just going to show more slap in the place to the officers that day. >> and the people who came out running around talking about the blue this or back the blue, and back the blue. yeah. so denver, you have got the whiner in chief this morning at

7:00 a.m. putting out tweets and whining about the fact that there has never been a president so evilly and illegally treated as i. this sense of oh, woe is me as we are looking at what the judge marshon is going to do with pardonning the january sixers or the threat of firing the federal employees, and i don't know, because they are federal employees, but how do you see this starting the out in just two weeks' time? >> well, michael, it is good to see you, too, and we have an indication of marjorie taylor greene telling a reporter matt

lazlo saying that she felt that january 6th should be a national day of celebration, and when i was listening to harry, and the physical assault of officers and having someone say it should be a celebration, then there are two ds, delusional and deranged. so when you are looking at the start of it, you will see the chaos of yesterday, and first ballot of mike johnson and you know it wasn't going to be that easy, and there had to be a lot of arm twisting to vote for him, and you will see chaos, because how do you run for government that so many people who make policy believe in fantasies and if you have the president-elect on down believe in a huge congress representatives believe in stop the steal, and other

disinformation and how do you trust anybody to make policy and law as you were saying about the january 6th plaque, harry, and some of the resolutions in congress for law enforcement, and how do you respect people who are talking about back to blue and legislation who cannot acknowledge what happened on january 6th, and that is the issue that we worry about, and you make policy based on fantasy, and individuals who are afraid to face the truth or to be honest with the constituents themselves and trust them to come up with any legislation or foreign or domestic policy that makes any sense. we should be concerned. i guess that i am understanding that a good bit, but that is what we will see in the beginning and the indicators are what the representatives are saying about january 6th, and the whole fabric of what is going to happen over the next four years? >> congressman, are you going to run for governor? >> oh, that is a my gosh, a gotcha. >> that is ten seconds, and that

is -- >> well, turn that corner. >> i am glad that is fast. i will tell you that i have an exploratory committee for statewide office and i have ai companies and make whiskey and go after bad guys. >> that is the best kind of governor in my book. >> thank you, buddy. but i am looking at independent and corruption and rot, and the two party system that makes people angry, and people say, denver, you have to do this and people who are invested in what we are doing now, and the corporate two-party structure coming out like, how dare you, and you can't run outside of being a democrat or republican, and you are a trader, and i have a lot of this happening, but i don't have a rat's -- and i will tell you that corruption is not quid pro quo, but it is really rot. after what i have seen in the last four years, why not. maybe somebody needs to breach the wall. but again, it is a true exploratory committee, but thank

you for that incredible question right off of the top. enjoyed that. >> and harry was in the pool last cycle, and so we will get him back in there. [ laughter ] get him in the pool again. >> and i also have to say why not is not a bad yard sign. harry riggleman dunn and denver, thank you. congresswoman pramila jayapal is going to join us next at the table. you are watching "the weekend" on msnbc. (children speaking) conflict is raging across the world,

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house democrats will work hard to find bi-partisan common ground with our republican colleagues in the incoming administration on any issue whenever and wherever possible. we will pushback against the far right extremism whenever

necessary. >> that is democratic leader hakeem jeffries on how the democrats will move forward in the 119th congress, and where the republicans are quite literally rewriting the rules, and including how many people it will take to oust a house speaker. congresswoman jayapal is at the table. >> she is a little bit on fire this morning. >>ly continue the say that the clip that we played of the democratic leader, and i thought that he was right on the money there, excellent, but he started the remarks talking about we are going to lay the election is over, and we will lay down to swords of campaigning and partisanship and pick up the bipartisanship swords. and so i thought that we had the executive director of the house

majority pac on just not two weeks ago talking about the work that was happening, and why, why do we feel like, because i am still a democrat, but i am really considering being an independent voting lady out here on the streets, and why do folks feel like we have to lay down the swords and pick up the plow, and mike johnson is not picking up the plow. >> this is an opening speech for the leader, and what he is wanting to say, if you are doing things that are helping the american people, we will do it with you, but we're not going to be there to bail you out. now, he did not say all of that, and now, that is my approach to this is that i think that there's, i think that there's so much hypocrisy on the other side. donald trump said that he is going to lower prices, and the minute that he was elected he said that prices are not going to go down, and all sorts of

things that will cut things for the wealthiest, and cut social security, but in the campaign, he was not going to touch social security, and so we will call out every hypocrisy, and we will have to be united and strong, and standing up against the things that they will have to do when they try to hurt the american people, and i think that it is an opening salvo, and the chairman knows it, and everybody at the beginning of every session wants to talk about partisanship, and it devolves, because it cannot be art bi-partisanship if it is hurting the american people, because we will have to stand up if it is hurting the working people, and we have to be strong about it, and united and one of the first things is going to be around the tax fight for sure, and also, the attacks on the vulnerable communities, and it is not going to be easy, and these are the tricky roads to weave here. i think that we have to be clear

to stand up for the people who are left behind and attacked and vulnerable. >> and to symone's point, and i totally agree -- >> i might join michael and be a republican, but not for trump though. >> all right. now, everybody need to cover their cup this morning. now, to that very point -- >> i know that is not happening. >> and now, laying down to sword and picking up the plow share, and let me tell you how bi-partisan those are on the heels, because the democrats are pushing back furiously about the proposed rules of forcing the republicans to force a change in the speaker, and that would inhibit bipartisanship and make him answerable to only his members and not the entire

house, and make us understand for the american people who don't, the speaker of the house is not a partisan position, and it is not supposed to be, but it is the speaker of the house over the republicans and the democrats or a composition of a party one day that may inhibit the house. so, you have, you know, hakeem is talking about laying down to swords, but yet in the rules they want to make sure that you don't have a place to pick up a sword. >> no, that is right. this is a rule that has traditionally under nancy pelosi and other democratic speakers, the majority of any party can get rid of the speaker, and the reality is that the republicans would not try something like that with a democratic speaker, because yo have enough votes to stop that, but it has been to lift up the idea that once your speaker, you are supposed to represent at least in procedural

matters everybody. not political matters, because the speakers elect their own parties and they are elected by their own parties, and this is a change that is really about if you remember before the threshold was just one. >> one. >> and so now, they have made it nine, but it is only republicans, because if you made it nine with democrats and a very slim majority, you would again, mike johnson would have -- >> but it is the republicans who are getting rid of the republican speakers and not democrats. >> that is right. and it is often the play of the bi-partisanship bipartisanship comes in when somebody needs to be saved or you need to lift the debt ceiling, and the democrats have traditionally stepped in, but remember, it is in divided government, and now with the government trifecta, they need to do these things on their own,

and that is my view, because we saw what happened the last time, and there was a bi-partisan deal that was blown up by speaker johnson at the last minute, and we still provided votes to keep government funded because of the things that could happen if government shutdown, and i think that now, and it was a little bit more complicated, because it was divided government and democratic president and democratic house, and now we have to stay strong and united to put up a fighting front so that people understand that we won't let the bad things happen to them. that is my firm belief is that there are going to be a lot of terrible things that are for the american people coming out of the next congress, and i don't want people to have any illusions about where the democrats stand, and i want them to know that we are on their side, and protecting social

security, and protecting food stamps, and snap benefits and all of the things that people need to have a decent life, and they need to see the democrats fighting for that. >> i am not sure if you saw the letter from the 11 freedom house caucus members. >> i did. >> internal conflicts within the document, because on one hand they want to see the platform that incoming president trump was elected on which is including the mass deportation, and at the same time they say they want everything to be deficit neutral, and so they want to spend trillions to fund a mass deportation, and at the same time they don't want to spend any on tax cuts. >> right, you cannot do either without impacting social security or spending.

so they will have to confront that, and that is why i say that democrats have to be strong, and sometimes we are caught up that we can save this program, but, i think that sometimes we need to make sure that we're seeing the forest and not just the trees. there is a big question here what the republicans are going to do to lower the costs, raise wages, and provide child care and provide housing. i thought that leader jeffries did a good job of talking about those things in his speech yesterday. >> yes, that is strong, but my only concern was the first amendment. >> and we need to continue to focus on that, right? the combined wealth of the trump nominated cabinet is over $450 billion and i have nothing against wealth, but how do you advocate for people who literally are just living paycheck to paycheck if they are lucky when you don't know what it is like to go to the grocery

store or give up a movie or try to get kids food. >> well, they have people who do that for them. >> and so that is what i am saying, and what are the conflicts of interests coming out of that cabinet, and did you notice in the rules package they replaced the name of the office of congressional ethics with congressional conduct, and ethics is not the standard and it is conduct, and you have to understand that there is a lot of republican scandals. >> with some messed up conduct. >> with some messed up conduct, and so, yeah, this is all going to be -- and the 11 members that wrote that letter, freedom caucus members, nine of them didn't either vote for mike johnson in the first round or voted for somebody else when the roll call happened. so nine is the number that they need to oust the speaker, and they were sending a very clear message there, and once again,

they will have a lot of divisions, and it is up to the democrats to stand up strong for working people and poor people across this country who are just struggling to make ends meet. >> and republicans need to recognize that their problem is not democrats, but it is their own problems inside your house. congresswoman pramila jayapal from ohio state, thank you for being with us again. and now, a brand-new warning about the elon musk political influence. this is "the weekend" and we're going to talk about it. g to ta

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new this morning, president biden is going to award the presidential medal of freedom, the nation's highest honor to philanthropists and icons today. the recipients are hillary

clinton, and andreas chef, and fannie lou haimer is going to be getting this post humously and she fought to get more writ large work. >> i would be so mad if they gave it to me when i could not be there to receive it. >> and yeah, if you are dead. [ laughter ] >> and this is not going to happen in the time that ms. haimer was alive. >> and who else is getting it? denzel washington is one of the awardees. >> liz cheney got something. >> the highest civilian honor. >> she and bennie thompson. >> i love it, because president biden is pardonning everybody he

can find, and he is out here handing out awards to all of the right folks who tee off the right from george soros to hillary clinton now. what statement is the president making, do you think, with these actions over the last ten days or so? >> well, i mean, i was at the white house the other day, and i had lunch, and the president was in the situation room, and i went up to leave him a note, and i said, "sorry to miss you, sir," and i said, please put this on his desk. i wrote it on my stationary and the last opportunity to put a note on the president's desk for the next four years, but in the opportunity to talking to folks, twofold, he is making a statement of what is personally important to him, and highlighting people with whom he has worked but people with whom he also believes are heroes and larger than life in their own regard who deserve their flowers

now. like secretary clinton to be very clear was very supportive of president biden in the whole kerfuffle, and the clintons were not people stabbing joe biden from the front, but secretary clinton has lived a life of service, and the work she has done, again, the work she has continued to do from the time to even before first lady to now, and she could have faded away from the spotlight, but didn't, and yesterday in awarding the january 6th leadership to bennie thompson and liz cheney, and joe biden is letting you know that he understands the stakes out there, and he is letting you know what is going on, and he does not have rose-colored glasses about this moment. >> and the other thing that he did that was intriguing is blocking the sale of u.s. steel to nipnippon, and they wanted t

sale to go through, but this is one that is very interesting. it is interesting that the president took the position that he did. >> explain it to folks. >> well, the steel industry is struggling. u.s. steel anchored in the very important parts of our country like pennsylvania, you know, stand to fire and shutdown a lot of factories that build steel, use steel in this country. they struck a deal with nippon to come in and save the industry here in western pennsylvania for example, and the president sat on this for a little while. he thought about it. then he finally said, no, we are going to block that sale. there is going to be more to this given that a new administration is coming on board, but i think that it is

very interesting, and i asked the question what joe biden is doing, because when i looked at this action the concern for the worker seemed to not be as strong a motive here that we have seen in other, at other times with this administration, and so i am very curious about that, and so there is a united front with the workers that the steel industry is behind the move, and we will see what is behind, that and we will write something about it and post some additional thoughts. >> post some additional thoughts, and the easiest answer is that joe biden is doing what he believes whether the people who work for him want him to or not, and that is what you do when you are the president, baby. >> i guess. >> and our next guest says that elon musk is a national security risk. the retired general russel honore is going to join us after the break. you are watching "the weekend."

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the headline of a new op-ed in "the new york times" from retir retired lieutenant general honore says that elon musk is a security risk. he cites the business in china and russia as a concern. he says that if there are deep investments, the government should think of revoking his security clearance and think of alternatives to spacex's launch services. lieutenant russel honore joining us. welcome, lieutenant honore. >> i have not heard people talking about it on the pages of the new york times opinion page, but i think that it is a real conversation to be had. >> it is. >> and elon musk has not only influence with donald trump, but with the federal government, and

between space x and tesla and to be clear, the starlink, and he has a number of contracts and linkages that anybody else had been saying or doing the things that he is saying the run of the mill actual government employee or contractor, they would have lost their contracts by now. lieutenant general? >> yes, i -- okay, i was pausing on that question. absolutely. i mean, he is mixing politics and at the same time doing work with the government. and he is doing work with the government of china, which he is building cars there, the rockete united states is coming off of spacex, and his company, and at the same time he borrowed $1.4 billion from china to build this plant, and at the same time

reports drones being shot at ukraine had starlink communications in them. at the same time, i am not the only one who showed concern. going people in the republican party namely marco rubio and others questioned thi and so did vivek ramaswamy, and all of that is the quotable stuff, and it is documentable, and you can google it if you want to see their concerns, and recently, and this is the only time that i have agreed with steve capability and connection with foreign leaders. and and russian

president and he has enormous amount of influence, and this is what comes with being the richest man also comes with the access that he has with the president of the united states, and the world leaders are also taking note of it. one of the things that i have been concerned about, lieutenant general, is the starlink piece, and everything else is absolutely on the table, a nd te doge nonsense, and i wonder if they are going to be looking at the contracts that elon musk has out of the dog and the starlink is where everybody wants to go to if they want to be in space, and communicate using that technology, and as elon musk has already shown us in the ukraine situation, he is not unconcerned about using that leverage to his

advantage against the interests of and ale lie of the united states, and getting concessions, and getting whatever he thinks that he needs in that scenario. how dangerous is that aspect of this? >> well, right now, we have, and we never want to get into a single source of intelligence, a single source of communication. i don't know how we got into this mess contracting with one contractor spacex doing rockets for us as well as controlling communications. there have been many reports and suspects that some of the systems were not optimized to help the ukrainians. and we have been dealing in haiti and the kenyan forces were only given one starlink in that fight. one. so, i don't know how the u.s.

government, and we have the national reconnaissance office, and we have space command and nasa, and how in the hell in the people in washington have subrogated our intelligence and security to one company is interesting, and that is what we need to know. >> thank you, and that is just what we need to know. still ahead right here on "the weekend." right here on "the weekend. the vaporizing night time, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, best sleep with a cold, medicine.

in just a few minutes, the nation will begin remembrance ceremonies for jimmy carter. he died last saturday in plains, georgia. a funeral is set at 10:00 a.m. in plains, georgia, and afterwards he is going to be in

repose in atlanta, and then he will lie in state at the capitol rotunda. and then thursday, the funeral will be at the national funeral service at washington national cathedral. >> and what i love about jimmy carter is that he did the unexpected in what was back then a very untraditional, nontraditional way. he then carried it into the post presidency by being one of the most respected symbols of both the office and public service writ large. i am the only one at the table who can actually say i remember the 1976 election, and it is the first election that i got to vote in. it was a very troubling time. this peanut farmer just kind of emerges out of plains, georgia, talking about faith and family,

talking about national responsibility as the country was going through the crisis of watergate and the vietnam war. and i remember actually being, you know, at that moment, i wanted to say, okay, do i vote for the peanut farmer, because there was a lot of appeal to him, and gerald ford, god bless him, he had a hard, hard row to hoe, because he was representative of that administration that just tarnished the nation's image in so many ways and he did the pardon and, well. it is a lot flashing back for me as a young kid growing up here in d.c. >> jimmy carter, and president carter is one of the prime examples of how history records your time as president and how

maybe in the moment it is talked about one way, but when looking over the arc of his life and his service, people are remembering him frankly quite fondly. >> and for that post-time. >> and transformative. and the live shots that people are seeing now, and this is in americus, georgia, and at the phoebe center, and that is about 10:00 a.m. where we will see president carter's casket for the first time. he will emerge from this hospital, and i believe escorted by former secret service agents who have been on his detail, and he will start the journey, and he is going to do a stop at the boyhood home, and that is the other live shot that i believe we have, and then this is the shot right here. and then, they are going to be taking the motorcade up to atlanta, and pause at the georgia state capitol, and this is the start of president

carter's journey for the final resting place. >> and something else is reminder of how cyclical the nature of the presidency is, and whether it was the panama canal and stagflation, and -- >> department of education. >> and department of education is a great example. >> and it is all coming back, and the country has to face some of those challenges again and those efforts to address problems from that era here in the 21st century, and with a different administration and a different view of it. one that is so petty and unrelentlessly childish even to the point of president-elect trump complaining about the flag being at half-staff during his inauguration. you can't let that level of

ignorance and stupidity cloud or shade as you laid out the events that we are about to see and witness for a man who lived 100 years of service and to the country. >> he was the longest living president, and head, former president, he had a robust post presidency and life of service. the carter family has invited the public to honor and celebrate the life of president carter to pay their respects at either of the public viewings and the funeral procession in washington or in the downtown area of plains, georgia, or along the motorcade route. >> me as well, and our friend ali velshi is going to have much more at the top of the hour, and debbie dingell will join to reflect on the life and will legacy of jimmy carter. much more after this. much more after this.

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we have an important show tomorrow ahead of the four-year anniversary of january 6th. we will talk to congressman benny thompson, timothy heaphy and marcus childress, all major players on the january 6 select committee that starts back here tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. eastern. be sure to follow us on social media @theweekend. velshi will continue our coverage right now. ali, such an important time remembering the life and legacy of president jimmy carter. >> and he would appreciate it, simone, if you got a little rest. i brought you a pillow, because last night i finished tv at 10:00 p.m. at night and there you were starting. i remember those days well, when i used to do that late show and