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backbone. also buzz and whoever controls maga these days. maybe you should consider republicans have proven over and over again that they do not get anything done. and while president-elect donald trump will not go to jail, america's next president will still be sentenced in his money case in new york, something no other president has been forced to do. that is days before taking the oath. i'm charles common junior and we have a lot to talk about. let's do it. >> after weeks of drama and speculation, speaker mike johnson can breathe a sigh of relief. johnson was reelected speaker yesterday on the first round of voting. he won by a very narrow vote with one republican defection the speaker was able to avoid the embarrassing spectacle by kevin mccarthy with 15 rounds of voting stretched over

several agonizing days. remember that mess? generally, that is the good news for johnson. the bad news? he is going to be the house speaker over this republican caucus. this is a caucus that ended their previous congress yesterday with the most embarrassing -- it is the same congress that had its house speaker kevin mccarthy ousted after just nine months on the job. why? because he dared to work with democrats to actually legislate. oh, the audacity. in typical republican fashion, they have no backup plan to mccarthy, so it took weeks of chaos to find a fifth contender in mike johnson. this was also the same congress that saw the expulsion of disgraced former congressman angela favorite george santos amid findings of fraud and misuse of campaign funds by the house ethics committee. again, remember that mess? there was james coleman's

expedition suggesting infusion inquiries against president joe biden that went nowhere. not to mention the resignation of congressman matt gaetz, and his failed attorney general nominee. he resigned ahead of a house at the coming weeks -- house ethics report. these are allegations that he continues to deny. and the end of this congress showed us just how much of a public -- the public has no problem to shut down the government. all because elon musk threw a tantrum on x. so, we should be looking forward to it to the sailing now that republicans control the house and the senate and the white house as well, right? spoiler alert, you might be disappointed here. if anything, speaker johns her problems are just beginning. as things have come republicans control 219 seats and four more than the 215 house immigrants. one strap is sworn in, two house gop members, elise

stafanik and michael waltz, would have to give up their seats to join trump administration. not to mention the vacancy left by matt gaetz' exit. until special elections are held to fill them, johnson will only have a two seat majority, 270-215, for the first two months. this means that if you wants to have any chance of passing bills in house committee is not only going to have to get follow republicans in line, but he will have to find a way to play ball with democrats as well. that is the very thing that caused the last speaker his gavel in nearly caused johnson his job before the holidays. and then there is the trump and maga factor at play. johnson will soon have president-elect donald trump and elon musk to please. we know how president-elect donald trump reacts to gop leaders who fail to get his policies over the finish line. just ask paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. joining me now to discuss all of this is former florida congressman and msnbc political analyst carlos cabello.

carlos, thank you for being with us. let's just start with the situation that johnson finds himself in. sure, he won the first round and he still had a republican defector in thomas massey and even though republican congressman chip roy, who declined to support johnson until the vote hinted at consequences, if he does not deliver, saying let's make no mistake about it. there will be things that are, in fact, red lines we need to deliver. we can have no more of the nonsense that happened before christmas. what does that tell you about the predicament that speaker johnson finds himself in, even as he has now been elected as house eager again? >> charles, good evening. it is good to be with you. without a doubt, the last congress was a difficult one for house republicans, really embarrassing. it took a whole week to elect a speaker when they first took

power and that speaker was deposed, kevin mccarthy the, just some seven or eight months later. then there was about a three week period for the house had no speaker as republicans were trying to figure out who could lead them. well, mike johnson emerged out of that chaos and to be fair to him, sure, this time things are off to a better start. he got elected on a first ballot, even though that vote was held open for quite a long time, however at the end of the day, republicans have to govern. they have to do big, important things like fund the government, like deal with the debt ceiling, and because of that, hakeem jeffries, katherine clark, peter aguilar, they will have a major role in this next congress because we know that republicans can only do those things with the democratic votes because there are some 30, 40 house republicans who refuse to compromise in any way, who refuse to understand the way

congress works, where if you do not have 218 votes in the house, you cannot pass what you want and cannot just impose your will. so, the democratic minority, barely a minority, is going to have a big role in this next congress. mike johnson will have to lean on them from time to time and as we have seen, when that happens, there is a group of house republicans that revolt and now, you know, with mine plus members, they can still depose the speaker. so, we will see what this congress has to bring. off to a better start than the previous one for house republicans, but still many big challenges ahead >> if you are democrats in the situation, is the glass half empty or half full? during the last congress, which was incredibly, historically unproductive, we saw that republicans still maintained their grip on the house, but the margins shrunk. are you looking towards

midterms, believing you could turn the tide, or is this a sign that perhaps there is more work to be done? >> well, charles, democrats are looking towards the midterms, but a lot of swing district republicans are doing so as well. they only need to look back eight years. house republicans were in a similar situation when president-elect donald trump first became president in 2017. republicans have the senate. they have the house. they have the white house. in that midterm election, republicans lost 40 seats. back then, there were about 240 house republicans when they lost 40s. this time, there are, what, 220 minus one or two were 18 or so. everyone is thinking about the midterm election and that is going to further complicate speaker johnson's task because, of course he has a hard right members, the ones that we have seen cause so much trouble already, but then there is also the swing district republicans, those majority makers, the ones

who delivered the majority for republicans and help them keep it. those members are going to be worried about a challenging environment as we typically see in a president's midterm and they are going to have major concerns and issues and they are going to push this beaker to work in a bipartisan manner, which is the opposite of what the hard right flank wants to do. yeah, the 26 midterms loom over all of this and if history is any indicator, it is going to be challenging for the incumbent party. >> carlos, let's listen to one reacting to johnson's win and i will talk to but another side of this. >> when everyone was applauding, i have been there, alex. when that happened, started to laugh a bit because it is like they are plotting further misery and the torture chamber. >> torture chambers down really, really extreme. you know, is that an

exaggeration or do you agree with what he said there? >> well, look. this last congress that just came to a close was a very difficult one for house republicans. all of my friends who are still there, whenever we would run into each other, they would say this place is just a very difficult place to work. it is a hostile work environment. there are a lot of people trying to settle personal scores, using the instruments, right? the policy and procedural instruments of the house. so, it is not a fun place, charles. it is a place where there is constantly a lot of tension and a lot of pressure. add to that the pressure to get reelected. these two year terms, i do not know, torture chamber is perhaps a little extreme, but it is definitely not a pleasant place and has not been a

pleasant place for quite some time now. >> so, you have mike johnson and he -- he is tiptoeing on a thin -- on thin ice. already by republicans like marjorie taylor greene. he now was very soon going to have to contend with president- elect donald trump pretty much breathing down his neck at every turn. do you think that he is going to be able to walk this tight rope and if not, do you have any idea whether republicans have a success -- successor in mind already? >> that is one of the things that really helped mike johnson get elected in the first round this time. there is no plan b for republicans. there is no one who is next in line. there are three men that are either in the leadership were close to the leadership. steve scalise, the majority leader. tom emmer, the majority whip, jim jordan, a prominent

committee chairman. they all tried to become speaker in the last congress, charles, and they failed. they could not get the votes to become speaker. in the case of jordan, there were three rounds of voting on the house floor and he lost votes to time. so, mike johnson is the only option for republicans right now. that, i think, works to his benefit because there is no one that can really threaten his grip on power, but this is still going to be very difficult and complicated. take a guy like chip roy, who was already demonstrated he is willing to buck the party and president-elect donald trump president-elect donald trump attacked him and has already threatened him with a primary opponent. what does chip roy have to lose? i mean, he is a free agent. to be fair to him, the issues he cares about, he is very principled and is not

oftentimes willing to yield, so he is not the only one. again, as i told you, it is not just members that share chip roy's dna, but those on the other extreme of the house republican conference. those who, for example, want to preserve some of the clean energy tax credits, some of the infrastructure policies passed during president joe biden's term in office. they are going to be pushing from the other direction, so this is -- there is a squeeze play here on mike johnson and it is going to be a very difficult high wire act for him. i think he has the temperament to do it. i am not going to say that mike johnson is going to fail. i think it is too early to say that, but it is going to be extremely challenging with his razor thin majority. >> it is rather shocking to hear that someone so high up on the success in chart for the presidency is a eventually a leader by default, if you will, because no one else is either capable or willing to step into that role. carlos, i want to ask you. how much pressure, given what did not take place in the last

congress, is on house republicans to actually govern and legislate as we go into this new congress? >> well, there is no excuses now, charles. last congress, democrats control the senate and president biden was the president. that will no longer be the case. in just a few days -- when you have a unified control of government, it is very difficult to point the finger. so, republicans are going to be responsible for everything that happens here. >> so, carlos, i know you are a popular guy, getting other calls. thank you for staying with us. listen, the last speaker before johnson -- did we lose carlos? all right. well, we may have been having some technical difficulties with former congressman. we are going to take a very short break your carlos will be

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welcome back to aymen, and i am charles coleman jr., in for aymen. we have carlos cabello back. even as we step into a republican hat trick this year, there is a possibility for democrat and activists who have vowed to resist president-elect donald trump's mac agenda, this confirmation of mike johnson as house speaker happen because two holdouts, rob norman and keith south of texas decided to switch their votes at the 11th hour and that was only after johnson was able to get trump on the line. let's add insult to injury. members of the far right house

freedom caucus have already put johnson on notice, writing that speaker johnson must prove he will not fail to enact president-elect donald trump's bold agenda. with that razor thin majority in the house, republicans came close to failing at their very first order of business. as the atlantic points out, this brief revolt offered a reminder of how much leverage democrats might still keep, even in trumps washington. that is because over the past two years, republicans who barely controlled the house could not pass any significant legislation without help from house democrats. today, the gop majority in the house is even smaller. i am joined again by former congressman carlos cabello. good to have you back, congressman. jumping back into it, we were just talking about the need and the pressure for the republican party to produce during this congress. now, that is going to require -- we have also been discussing working with democrats, but that is what god kevin mccarthy

ousted from his job, so how is speaker johnson going to navigate that, given that he is the leader of a party that has to produce and he has a very, very thin majority that requires him to work across the aisle and people in his party don't want him to do that? >> yeah, charles. so, if we look at the last congress, every single time that speaker johnson needed to pass a major piece of legislation, think funding the government, continuing resolutions, anything having to do with the debt ceiling, that was speaker mccarthy early in the last congress. they had to do it in a bipartisan manner. there are republicans in the house, republican conferences who do not accept that some things in congress should be

done in a bipartisan manner and are best done in a bipartisan manner and despite the fact that they do not want their leaders having conversations with democrats, they are unwilling to be flexible in any of their positions, so they really put their leaders in a position to fail. by the way, this is not new, charles. this happened to john weiner. this happened to paul ryan. clearly, it happened to kevin mccarthy and we saw how republicans revolted against speaker johnson just a few weeks ago. after he had cut a deal with akeem jeffries to continue funding the government. of course, there were a number of other policy provisions in there, so these are going to be some very difficult waters to navigate and add to the fact that the trump card, the trump call, clearly does not always work at the end of the last

congress. again, just a few weeks ago, president-elect donald trump and elon musk, try to pressure house republicans to pass a suspension of the debt ceiling. almost 40 house republicans totally ignored that and said no. we refuse to do that at this point and, again, johnson had to go back and cut a deal with democrats, so this is a movie that we have been watching for a long time when it comes to house republicans. it is not just the last year or two. it has been happening for about a decade and until that group of house republicans understands that negotiation, compromise, is a natural part of u.s. politics, there is going to be instability in the house republican conference and between you and me, i do not think they will figure that out anytime soon. >> are you essentially telling me that right now, hard-line base republican house members

value not working with democrats, being to say we were not working with democrats, over we were productive? it is more advantageous or they believe that it is more advantageous to tout being, you know, opposite democrats than it is to actually being productive members of congress? is that what you are saying republicans are feeling? >> there are a lot of districts out there in the country, charles, where republican members of congress do not get punished for being obstructionist. it is not that most people in their districts want them to just block anything that is bipartisan in congress, but the way the primary system is designed, the voters who do reward that kind of behavior are the ones who participate in those primaries. these members, even though i do not think there adequately representing their district because most people in their

district for when you look at the polling, most americans want the two parties to work together and to figure things out as a compromise and negotiate and to try to get things done, even if it means giving the other side a little bit. well, in these districts, the primary voters do not award that. these members get away with misconduct and there is really no political consequence and in some cases, we have seen that recently, they are willing to defy president-elect donald trump when he tells them to work together, to try to figure things out. again, this is going to be an incredibly difficult act to pull off by speaker johnson. the most difficult set of circumstances ever put before a speaker of the house, definitely a republican speaker of the house, at least in modern history. we will just have to see if he is up to the task. >> carlos, one more question before i let you go. how likely is it -- you use the

word obstructionist. how likely is it with this thin majority, democrats might take advantage of their position, and also playing the role as obstructionists in a game of turnaround that we have not yet seen? >> democrats have a massive role to play in this congress, charles. typically, that is only true in the senate, right? we have the 60 vote rule. the majority leader, john cullmann, has already committed to keeping that rule. so, that automatically gives senate democrats a major role in this next congress for the next two years. the difference this time is that the house is essentially operating like this tenet because bipartisan majorities are needed to pass major pieces of legislation, so akeem jeffries is going to have the power, is going to have the weight of a senate democratic leader as house minority

leader, which is typically a much weaker role. so, i think we are going to see a lot of bipartisan action in this congress. i think even on issues like immigration, which have been very device, republicans are going to look to democrats to deliver some foes and that will give the party some say in shaping this legislation. >> former representative carlos cabello. thank you for getting us started. coming up next, danny cevallos is in the house to talk to me about trumps hush money case sentencing that will happen. stay tuned for more aymen after the break.

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cannot -- he will not order trump be jailed in his ruling, he writes, quote, centers of an unconditional discharge appears to be the most viable solution to ensure finality and to allow the defendant to bursar his appellate options. at the same time, he denied their request to vacate the verdict. to dismiss the indictment and set aside the jury verdict would not serve the concern set forth by the supreme court and in a handful of cases, addressing presidential humanity, nor would it serve the rule of law. such decision would undermine the rule of law in immeasurable ways. joining me now to discuss everything, defense attorney and superlawyer, danny cevallos. i want to just ask you, we often say that in america, our legal system put snowman above the law.

how do you reconcile that concept here because it certainly seems as though that is not the case. >> i'm so glad you brought that off because it is merrick garland or other doj officials taking it to a podium and saying, no man is above the law and i have consistently said that is a lovely thing to say in a hallmark card but it is not the reality. there are people who are above the law. not officially, but take a look. a former and about to be president, there are special rules that apply here and as a result, you see something happening that i, as a criminal defense attorney, have never seen happen, which is a judge announcing in advance of a sentencing hearing that he is going to give the defendant nothing. the headlines have said, he will not do any jail time. that is only half the story. he is getting nothing. no probation, nowhere in an orange vest and picking up trash on the side of the road. no community service. no supervision. nothing. it is called an unconditional discharge and is about as rare as a unicorn in the criminal defense landscape it does not

happen that often. it is incredibly rare and it basically is the only constitutional results because anything else, probation, anything that lasts more than 10 days, would arguably be unconstitutional because when he becomes president, all those things arguably have to go away. >> is that the primary consideration of your judge merchan? put yourself behind the bench, if you will, and think about the different things that went into that opinion, that decision, and what he basically ruled out for the public. rather any factors that might have made him lean in the way he seems to have? >> yeah. in justice merchan's case, he was donned if he did and are defeated not. every single solution had problems. he could have delayed the sentencing indefinitely. for four years, after he gets out of boss -- office. you run into speedy trial issues and it is strained to send in a defendant four years

later. to put court hearings that far off in the distance, that would have been problematic. this is an interestingly -- interesting solution. for me, justice merchan, in his opinion, says this is not the way we are supposed to do it, but i am announcing in advance that you're going to get an unconditional discharge. better than no jail time. your sentence is no sentence. as a criminal defense attorney, part of our job, and you know this, is the anxiety, going in on the date of sentencing and wondering, oh, my goodness, what is going to happen? you cannot call chambers in advance and say, judge, can you give me an idea of whether my client will walk out or going to the side door into the holding cell? it has never done it. a judge puts in an opinion and says, defendant comfy want to, you can show up in person or skype in. everything is easy breezy. by the way, you have nothing to worry about. you're not going to jail.

absolutely nothing. >> i am stuck on this sort of two-tiered justice system conversation. can you explain for our audience how invaluable it is to have the type of resources that allow you to prolong, do lay, not necessarily with hush money case, but with the entire nexus of cases that donald trump was dealing with and how invaluable it was to be able to afford, to push things out for as long as he did, to get to this point and have these things go away? >> i'm so glad you brought this up because you are correct. president-elect donald trump is well healed and can perform a top-notch defense team. no matter how top-notch your lawyers are, no matter how expensive they are, for most criminal defendants, every other criminal defendant in american history, pushing the case out and delaying it, it does help. sometimes witnesses go away and sometimes it is to your benefit. in this case, it only worked if you are prize and only worked if he got reelected. that is why it was a huge

gambit. push these cases out and keep pushing them out and fight with the judges and irritate the judges and irritate the court, but put all your eggs in one basket and that is getting reelected because doing so makes the federal cases go away and it makes the state cases difficult to complete. look at this one. in your case already had a verdict and defense teams challenging that verdict is not only on the presidential immunity decision and a presidential transition act, all kinds of different specific and unique to a former president and president-elect and about to be inaugurated second term president. for all other defendants in human history, these strategies would not have worked as well because there was not that benefit at the end of the pack, of becoming president and getting immunity. >> we saw an appeals court essentially deny president- elect donald trump's appeal in new york, along the e. jean carroll case and saying there was no reason for a trial. given his entire sort of legal nexus we have been discussed in, where do you think that ranks in terms of further appeal or trying to avoid that

money, given he was found liable? >> money today is always worth more money pass the bully in the future. by that, i mean if you're going to trial, you have to explain this to clients. you might get this huge verdict, but they will appeal it and it will get locked up years and years and they will appeal that appeal and if there is an offer today, it may not be dollar for dollar what you wanted or your asking price. consider the value of money today, which is less than what you wanted versus what you might get in the future. defendants kimberly gum up the process president-elect donald trump, corporate defendants, all civil defendants can slow down the payment process and avoid writing those checks. sometimes they get it with interest if they are delaying too long, but this is a common defense strategy in civil cases. eventually, he will pay, but who and when, we do not know. >> speaking of folks who need

to pay, let's talk about former mayor rudy giuliani. he was in court this week, dealing with issues around content with respect to his need to pay after that judgment . what do you think will be the final outcome? >> i am fascinated by this because this is the guy who is ardently closest to trump and his biggest advocate and he is the one who seems to be paying for it the most. so, when will he pay out? >> the answer to that question is likely going to be that whatever he ends up paying will be a tiny fraction of the massive judgment that these two plaintiffs got against him for defaming them. that is the way it often happens. >> that wants me to say a word i cannot say on tv. >> this is something that the lawyers should have known in advance. anytime you go after an individual, unless it is

president-elect donald trump or elon musk or someone with massive coffers, full of liquid cash, that is why defamation cases are not normally something attorneys like us want to take on because it is the rare defendant who has the money to pay. even rudy giuliani, we would've thought he had plenty of assets, is now bickering over a signed jersey or a world series ring. this is the kind of thing that if it is not somebody with a ton of money, defamation cases are often not really worth it. this case is kind of demonstrating that it is hard to get money out of someone, especially a bankruptcy and especially when they try to play games. eventually, in federal court, they will get to the bottom of where your money is and use the contents power and rudy giuliani will find out the hard way if he tries to play hide the ball with his assets. >> covering a lot of ground, danny cevallos, in a little time. thank you for being here. coming up next, we live in new orleans with new details about the man who carried out that new year's day attack . in the next hour, i will speak with congresswoman jasmine crockett

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(♪♪) now to new orleans. bourbon street open as the investigation into the new year's attack carries on after a driver in a pickup truck barreled into crowds, killing 14 and injuring dozens. the deceased driver is not identified as shamsud-din jabbar, a texas born u.s.

citizen and army veteran. president joe biden is set to travel to new orleans on monday to meet with local officials and community members affected by the attack. kathy park is in new orleans with the latest. kathy, thank you for being here. some new details and the investigation have emerged. can you walk us through them? >> charles, good evening to you from a very lively bourbon street, which actually reopens thursday afternoon. taking you through some of the new information that we have from the f vi so far, obviously they're coming through a lot of information right now. nearly 1000 tips so far coming in from all across the country and a senior law enforcement official familiar with the matter confirming to nbc news a video recording that was posted on social media by the attacker as he was driving from the houston area to new orleans in this video posting.

he said in part, i wanted you to know that i joined i.s.i.s. earlier this year. this was to his family. he also said, do not want you to think ice would you willingly. it is worth noting that the spotlight has been placed on two homes. there is a short-term rental here in new orleans and also another home in the houston area registered to the suspect, jabar. i was in houston just a few days ago. there was a huge law enforcement present on the night of the attack. we know we can now say that officials were able to pull bomb making materials and they were seen back at this residence earlier. yesterday, they removed a gray sedan. it is unclear if this was linked to the sauce that in any way, but going back to the other home i mentioned, the short-term rental in new orleans, where jabar was before the attack, they also know ford

bonding me materials there. he put accelerants in at home as well, attempting to burn the house down, to destroy the home, destroy the evidence, and also the f ei is sharing that they were able to pull a transmitter from the f-150 truck used in the attack. it was intended to set up two ieds that were placed here on bourbon street. obviously, fortunately, it did not go off, but we also heard from the younger brother of jabbar, speaking to media all week. he says he is puzzled, just like everyone else, about this attack and he said there were no red flags. but, charles, want to point out we have been here on bourbon street all day. i can tell you the site and sounds of bourbon street are back, as i pointed out. the

street opened up on thursday afternoon, but there is still a somberness, a heaviness in the air, especially as you get a little bit closer to the memorial. that is not too far from here. 14 lives lost and several are still recovering at the hospital tonight. charles? >> nbc's kathy park. thank you. after the horrific attack in new orleans, we are now hearing from those directly impacted by this tragedy. gadi schwartz spoke to one victim about her harrowing survival story. >> when the gunshots rang out new year's morning, alexis got windham was there. she had just been hit by the speeding truck and then hit by gunfire. >> i tried to run, but i could not. i knew something was wrong with my foot. i thought it was a broken bone or something, but it was not. as -- i am seeing a dead body on the side of me.

i said, jesus, let me make it up >> reporter: in alabama, she remembers in the chaos her friend called her mother. >> 70 called your mom and she said, you have to make a tourniquet out of your socks? >> yes >> it sounds like your mom was trying to save you from -- >> yes. i was like, calm down. stop the bleeding. i was bleeding a lot. you know? the other day, they asked if it was tight? >> among the dozens heard, she is one of the lucky ones, released from hospital. she is thankful for the stranger who rushed her to the emergency room. >> you do not know his name? >> i have been trying to find out who he was >> reporter: along bourbon street, candles for the dems like native son terry kennedy, and he it often would bring a broom and keep the sidewalks clean. >> i will always remember him. i have seen him new year's eve. the last words was, we will see

each other later. i guess this is my later. >> the community mourning 14 souls lost their lives cut short, celebrating the dawn of a new year. gadi schwartz, nbc news, new orleans. >> coming up, will take a moment to reflect on the life and legacy of president jimmy carter as his public farewell is now underway in his home state of georgia. of georgia. with miebo, eyes can feel ♪ miebo ♪ ♪ ohh yeah ♪ miebo is the only prescription dry eye drop that forms a protective layer for the number one cause of dry eye: too much tear evaporation. for relief that's ♪ miebo ♪ ♪ ohh yeah ♪ remove contact lenses before using miebo. wait at least 30 minutes before putting them back in. eye redness and blurred vision may occur. ♪ miebo ♪ ♪ ohh yeah ♪ ask your eye doctor about prescription miebo.

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the funeral procession with late former president jimmy carter travels through plains and to atlanta after a -- the 39th president is now lying in repose tonight. for 6:00 a.m. tuesday, and now nbc news correspondent -- we have more

from georgia. >> good evening, it was a very emotional day here in georgia as president carter's remains made their final journey right here to the carter center in atlanta. it all started off with the remains coming out of the phoebe sumter medical center in americus, georgia. agents from the cardioprotective division, both current and former, escorted the horse over to carty's boyhood farm, where members of the national park service rendered a salute and rang a historic now 39 times in honor of his 39th presidency. the motorcade then went with santa. first with a stop at the georgia state capitol, where governor come along with other local meters held a moment of silence when his leaders came to the carters enter a long way, mourners lined the route to pay their respects. one especially poignant moment we saw was when a firefighter who was up on a ladder saluted the motorcade as it came by

with an american flag hanging down below. here at the carter center, a private funeral service was held and it was incredibly emotional and we heard both from former president carter's grandson, jason carter, and his son, chip carter. listen to what he had to say. soon he was an amazing man. and he was held up and propped up and soothed by an amazing woman. the two of them together changed the world. >> the remains will stay here at the carter center until tuesday morning at 6:00 a.m., at which point it will be flown to washington, d.c., where there will be another processional. the motorcade will go by the navy memorial and then be transferred to a horse-drawn carriage and then taken to the capital rotunda, where the remains will lie in state until thursday, which is when the national funeral services are to take place.

of course, president joe biden has declared that a day of mourning and he is expected to deliver a eulogy at those events. we are expecting president- elect trump to be in attendance and ultimately former president carter's remains will come right back here to georgia, where he will be buried in plains, his hometown, alongside his beloved wife, roselyn. charles? >> that was nbc's priya -- priya sridhar. in our of aymen right after this. . if you're frustrated with occasional bloating or gas,

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