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on this new hour of aymen, congressman jasmine crockett's hearing will ask her how democrats plan to take on president-elect donald trump and his first buddy, elon musk. how do you solve a problem like pete hegseth? from pick for defense secretary will be considered to scandal for the job? a new year's resolution for democrats that does not include the phrase "when they go low, we go high. i am charles coleman jr. in for ayman mohyeldin we have a lot to talk about. welcome. in the closing weeks of the election, billionaire elon musk have this to say about a potential kamala harris
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presidency. >> the machine that she represents -- >> she is just a puppet. there is no point in attacking a puppet. >> attacking a puppet. the puppet master. a puppet to who exactly? i'm not even really sure that musk even really knows, but now it has become clear he has found his own puppet in president donald trump. the x owner travels with them all over the world, joining meetings with fire leaders. he is with them so much he has taken up residence in a cottage at trump's mar-a-lago resort in florida and in a jaw-dropping shelf hour, it was musk, not trump, who brought the country to the brink of a government shutdown. a new report everyone saw coming is alleging that the former star of the apprentice is getting a little tired of elon musk's omnipresence in all the media attention he has been
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stealing from him lately. the trump insider worked on the campaign saw 1% trump is annoyed. there's a chinese saying, two tigers cannot live on one mountaintop. even if the original tiger is getting tired of the new one overshadowing him, he is not showing any signs, at least, that he is ready to break up this bromance. here is president-elect donald trump dismissing all of those president musk allegations. >> he is not taking the president. he does not have the presidency. no, no. that is not happening. he is not going to be president. that, i can tell you. i am safe. you know why? he cannot be. he was not born in this country. >> nothing like him healthy xenophobia to make the record clear. over the holidays, when musk got caught up in a nasty maga
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civil war over his supportive h- 1b visas, it was trump who sided with him over his former white house chief of staff, steve bannon. however, trump may be in over his head. it could all come down to the over $250 million that elon musk poured into president- elect donald trump's campaign. that is about the million puppet strings. but that is a lot of money to someone who is reportedly handing over $100 million in legal fees since 2021, but just a drop in the bucket to the richest man in the world. timothy snyder told the guardian, trump is a little guy and musk is a big guy when it actually comes to money and i think it you're a friend of trump, he would be worried. this has all been one big gift to democrats, who have been doing some soul-searching of their own after losing working- class voters to president-elect donald trump in 2024 and struggling to rebrand. but now they can say no when voted to send this billionaire to the white house, but there he is, pulling all of the
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strings, exerting control of republicans and influencing policy. >> the puppet master. i should know that these are all a.i. generated images that we are playing for you, but are they -- are they really that far from reality? joining me now to start the second ours democratic congresswoman jasmine crockett from texas. congresswoman, good to see you. let's just start with your reaction to the fact that there seems to be trouble in paradise between this bromance with president-elect donald trump and elon musk and how you think that may play out. >> yeah, it is cutting season instead of cuffing season for these two. listen, i think that donald absolutely wants to cut the strings, but he does not know how. this is a guy who has always
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decided he wanted to surround himself with people who had money and/or power. right now, he cares about only money. for those that felt like he was going to be theirs xavier and be the guy that was looking up for the middle class, he has never been middle-class he is not looking out for them. we know he is filling his cabinet or attempting to with other people that are very wealthy. he is looking out for his future. what that will look like -- that is why it is difficult for him to cut the strings because he needs elon. >> that is quite poetic. i appreciate that. it is hard to go to someone who put $250 million he campaign on. i do not know how that happens, leaving someone on red like that. on a serious note, congresswoman, there is a real threat of conflicts of interest and national security threats that elon musk poses, being that close to the president, running the office of government efficiency the, and then also having as many tentacles throughout government
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with respect to the merger of private industry and where he said. what are democrats doing to stay on top of that and make sure that these potential conflicts of interest do not threaten the american people? >> yeah, it is sad to say, but i think the threat is already here. i do not think this is a matter of if, but a matter of when. it is one of the reasons i am attempting to continue my service on the oversight committee because it will be really important in that committee, even if our chairman does not want to have very real conversations about these threats that are being presented for all-american people because of the conflicts of interest that elon has, you know, one of the things people did not talk about a lot in that continuing resolution that elon blew up, it was about him. it had nothing to do with additional monies being shelled out anywhere. it had everything to do with disallowing them from engaging in some of the investment that
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we believe he is trying to do as it relates to china. we know that we have seen continual aggression coming from china. we know that russia is not necessarily our best friend, regardless of the fact that trump does not recognize this. so, with him sitting in these rooms, with him not necessarily being put into a position where he has to be senate confirmed, with him being able to actually physically puppeteer the incoming president and having his own individual interests, whether we're talking about the contracts that he is looking for, the defense contracts, those federal dollars to my insurer that is what he will not cut. we really need to make sure we are highlighting this for the american people. and doing everything we can come even if it means we have to go to trump to penn quarter and try to get them to do what they are supposed to do, which is to follow the constitution and the law. >> i want to play a portion of an interview that aired today with my colleagues over the weekend and retired lieutenant
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russell, who is making the case as to why musk is in fact the national security risk, particularly with two ties in china. we will talk about this on the other side. take a listen. >> this might be the only time i agree with steve bannon. he has questioned elon musk's influence and his connection with the foreign leaders. musk has conversations with chinese presidents, with the russian president, and he has an enormous amount of influence. i guess that is what comes with being the richest man in the world. >> do you agree with that? is, in fact, elon musk, or should he be seen as a national security risk? >> absolutely should be. i mean, it has been laid out. it does not matter, americans deciding they will stand up and say something, right? we know when it comes to maga and trump, they believe they have a mandate, but exactly what it is, i do not know
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because he has made it clear he is like him i do not know if i can really get the cost of food down. well, i can tell you his face needs to be loud about the fact that they want to be's faith in this country and i need people to not take it for granted that we do have oceans on the east and the west coast of us that are actually helpful to us. it is water that helps us, but with, you know, musk and trump talking about canada and talking about mexico and talking about expanding the united states while also palling around with the likes of putin, who obvious it my opinion has been in violation of so many international laws and it comes to ukraine and how he has conducted himself in this war. i mean, it seems like we are living in the upside down and we need some real adults in the room and right now, i do not see that he has picked any to surround himself with that will talk about the fact that this is not apprenticed.
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this is not a tv show. this is real life and real americans are relying on him to have up to the plate and actually be the president of the united states cannot be a guy that is going to submit himself to the likes of shee mac. >> all right, congressman. every time we have talked, i feel like i'm asking you what democrats are about to do. you are no longer a freshman member anymore. you survived one of the least productive sessions of congress ever. what is this tragedy that democrats have going forward because i do not know that pointing across the aisle and saying our map republican colleagues cannot get it done is going to be enough. >> well, definitely that is part of the strategy. yes, this was the most unproductive congress we have had in 118th congress, but we were talking about the fact we still have the presidency and we have the senate right now, it is a trump trifecta.
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if you believe that you have a mandate, guess what? you technically do not need the demo. you can get it all done amongst yourselves. i absolutely plan to sit back and watch them try to figure things out by themselves. we know that they have always been unable to do that, so we know they have a somewhat majority, but the longer we can stand together and say, no, this is your problem because we are not going to be the ones that will be on the front lines of trying to inflict the varies maintained that we campaigned against, whether we are talking about getting rid of social security or medicaid, everything they talked about what we heard akeem jeffries talk about the fact that these are not entitlements. these are literally benefits for evil that -- people that appoint them. we will make sure that we are making it clear that i think it will be important that we have a real rapid with ponstein when it comes to communications. we cannot allow them to sit around and fester and grow because in that void, it ends
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up becoming truth and, honestly, our next diets is complicit, so we have to make sure we are peeking out and then we want to hopefully have me sitting on over night and judiciary in real-time, calling out there lies and making sure that we are not only doing this in committee, but on podcast and doing it on radio morning shows and on the traditional spaces such as msnbc and other networks, but also for those that are okay with going on those other ones that i do not talk to. we will have to reach out there because we will have to do more than just reach to the choir. we will have to educate folks that seemingly think they do not see the world the same as we do, but we will have to let them know we are the champions receive congresswoman, you have 30 seconds left with how much pressure do you think is on democrat to really make it clear what republicans are not doing as we go into this new session of congress? >> yeah, i feel more pressure than i did in the 118th because
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at the end of the day, we have midterms that are coming up in two years and we are so close out taking the house. there will only be a two seat majority in a few days. so, we really need to take the house, so we can do that in two years and hopefully really start to thwart this terrible project 2025 agenda. it is going to mean everything. we will get in there and work hard. >> congresswoman jasmine crockett, thank you and good luck. let me be the first to which you are -- new reporting that a bipartisan group of senators is further investigating because that head of his confirmation hearing. all that and more. stay tuned. you are watching a mint on msnbc.
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of the aisle have lingering questions about 10 ashley controversial communications review by abc news suggests the top democrat and republican on the senate on services committee have quietly asked for more information about pete hegseth, trump's pick to run the department of defense. early last month, they reportedly reached out to the monterey county district attorney in california and a veterans organization where headset once served as eo to talk about his sexual assault and financial misconduct allegations, all allegations headset has denied keep in mind headset can only afford to lose the votes of three senate republicans during his confirmation hearings on gentry 14th. joining me now is msnbc political analyst miley john fast. she is also host of the fast politics podcast and nick wilson, cofounder of the lincoln project. we're glad to have both of your to get into this.
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molly, looking at this abc news report, the monterey district attorney responded to a request on the 20th of december and they said they do not have any more information aside from the public police report on headset's -- pete hegseth sexual assault education. what you read about the fact that both democrat and republican senators wanted to know more? >> it is good. it is their job, right? article 2, to advise and consent. these hearings, this is the job of the senate. this is what they are supposed to do. they're supposed to investigate and hold hearings and interview these cabinet picks, and then, you know, what they are supposed to be doing. i think this is really excellent and that both sides should be doing this and that this is their job look, he will have a hearing and they will be able -- i think if you want to
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look for a possible bright spot here, it is that so far, the senate, the republican- controlled senate, has indicated they are going to do this the way they are supposed to do it with hearings and honoring their articles to commitments. i think that is really good and, luck, john thune, who is now the head of the senate, he has really made a point that he is going to do real, you know, hearings and these are his jobs. this is his job. i think it is good. >> rick, the top republican, he has not yet endorsed him, but has that he would be in pretty good shape with his confirmation. tell me, are you surprised that this recent inquiry was a bipartisan thing and what do you think it would say about wicker if you vote in favor of hegseth without getting all of the questions answered?
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>> we have a credible accusation of sexual assault against pete hegseth. there is a bigger picture here that i think we need to pay attention to. that is that pete hegseth is grotesquely unqualified to the secretary of defense. a lot of these republicans know it. i think a lot of them are playing a game with trump. they want to make sure that they are cooperative until they are not. they want to be in that posture that wicker is in, saying i'm compliant -- inclined to give up his sources. his personal characters insufficient and his experience is vastly insufficient for the job. you can make arguments about other appointees like marco rubio, that they are more qualified or more experienced or more able to take on the job that they're being assigned to, but hegseth is one of the most dangerous of the bunch, along with kash patel, rfk jr., and
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tulsi gabbard, and a lot of folks in the senate are very uncomfortable with them. i think they're playing a very careful kim not to enrage trump, ashley before his inauguration. >> molly, i'm old enough to remember that when brett kavanaugh was confirmed by the senate, a number of the same senators who are currently sitting now, not all of them, but a number of them were members of congress. they were members of the senate, and they listened to much more substantiated, much more detailed allegations of sexual assault and wrongdoing, which were alleged against now supreme court justice brett kavanaugh and it did not seem to matter. is this a conversation that is as angeles smoke and mirrors as rick has pointed out to avoid the fact that at its core, pete hegseth does not have the resume that would be commiserate with being the secretary of defense?
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>> i think we will have to wait and see. look, the dod is a huge, huge, huge group of people. it is 3 million+ people. it is an enormous organization to lead and i think, certainly, a lot of his republican senators -- essay it is an enormous job and a person who has never led an organization this big. i think people really have this need. there is the issue, the kavanaugh issue is a bit different because you had a he said, she said allegation. again, i think with head , there is really more about the fact -- there are two separate issues. there are the allegations and then there are the questions of whether or not he is up to this enormous job, and i think that both of these are going to have to be addressed. the good news is that this is the senate at job and they should be doing this and i think that there posture is
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they are planning on doing that. that is really all the american people can ask for, for members of the senate to do their job. >> indeed. it will remain to be seen whether that will actually take place or whether this will be an exercise in partisan politics. rick, we had an iraq veteran that wrote an op ed and said that what worrisome the most about hegseth is the fact that in 2019, help to persuade trump to intervene in the cases of three men accused of or convicted of war crimes. they were all cleared. we have already seen how hegseth can influence trump. is there an expectation or belief that if he is confirmed, that that type of influence could continue? >> i think there is definitely that expectation and i think just as trump wants kash patel to go into the di to destroy at
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-- it, he wants pete hegseth to go to the pentagon and quote, unquote, take out disloyal generals or rogue generals who they believe are not sufficiently loyal to the president, even though, as they have been reminded only about 1 billion times, that they do not swear an oath of loyalty to the presidency, but the constitution. even hegseth him as a military officer, were that they both. -- swore that same oath. i find it compelling that this is a guy who has -- he wanted to advocate for guys who were, again, credibly accused of war crimes, mistreating and killing captives in iraq. this was not behavior that lives up to the standard of the american, you know, service members oath of service or of the values of the american military. so, i am concerned that pete hegseth, he lacks the judgment
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and he lacks the experience and he lacks the character to understand the scope of the organization he will be leading. >> all right, molly, you host a fast politics podcast and now will go to fast money in the lightning round. pete hegseth can only afford to lose three votes. if you had to guess, you have to look at the future, who are you watching as potential as far as who those votes could be and how likely it is you think that somebody in those flicks? >> i do not know how likely it is for pete hegseth, but i think everyone we are watching, susan collins of maine, lisa murkowski of alaska, and -- they had tended not to be particularly -- he has been largely partisan, but you have to remember north carolina is a possible pick of opportunity for democrats, stated they were looking at. he is up for election in 2026. then i would say maybe james ryan could. then there is a new senator
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from utah who has taken the mitt romney seat, who is a bit less part is in. those -- partisan. those are why would watchburg >> i have more questions. stick around. coming up next, democrats, are they going to finally stop with the one we go low, they go a dashed -- we will break all of that down. we will be back after a short break. lakesha: childhood cancer is it's hard. but st. jude has gotten us through it.
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ugh. stop waiting. start investing. e*trade ® from morgan stanley. welcome back. you are watching aymen. i am charles coleman jr., in for ayman mohyeldin . there is one playbook that could help democrats combat the ongoing gop agenda. that playbook comes from a rather unlikely source, senator mitch mcconnell. he will go down in history as an infamous obstructionist.
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he opposed warmer president obama's agenda at every turn he refused to call out russian meddling in the 2016 election and he failed to follow through on his own condemnation of president-elect donald trump's role in inciting january's now, imagine if democrats use mcconnell's playbook of simply saying, no. for good. rick wilson and molly jong-fast are with us. molly, they told democrats that when they go low, we go high. but even she is now repeating that catchphrase, where she campaigned for kamala harris -- isn't it about time that democrats sort of learn how to get into the mud with their opponents or do you think that democrats may have kind of missed the boat on that ends and too long on some imaginary moral high ground >> >> yeah, i think that is a
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really good point. look, democrats just ran on the idea that this was an election about democracy, that this was incredibly important, so the question is, if this is true, if what they worse and was true, then why are democrat not doing everything they can to be able to message? look, if you think about this election, this 2024 election, biden passed a lot of really progressive legislation, a lot of really populist legislation, but voters did not see that. they were not -- democrats were not able to transmit these wins active voters, though they lost the presidency, so here is the question. why are democrats not more focused on being able to transmit these victories, being able to connect with voters, and then you have to ask yourself, when you look at a situation like the ranking member of the oversight or
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ranking member -- you know, we had a situation where gerald connolly was elevated and you will see who was not. you will see he is known as an incredibly good communicator, but she was not elevated because the thinking was on the democratics high that it was gerry connolly's turn. here's a question for you. if this is such an important election, if mark was is in such a perilous place, why are democrats not elevating the people they know can connect with voters? >> i think that messaging problem has been something that is a old democrats for a long time, but the only parallel to that has been the messenger problem as well. you just hit on that. rick, i want to read to you in part of the msnbc op-ed that is starting to 20th, democrats need to ensure that donald trump owns everything that happens and that republicans own trump. one, i want to ask you, how important is it that democrats make that connection as they
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walk into this new administration and is there really a world where democrats can sort of actually employ the obstructionist blueprint that mcconnell put out? >> look, mitch mcconnell has notoriously -- unsuccessful a minority leader as chuck schumer has ever been in the majority, he is very good at that. opposition politics are -- harry reid told me that, by the way. he understands power in the senate or understood power in the senate better than any human being except lbj, perhaps the problem you have right now with democrats is they still will try to resolve this and fight about policy, but they need to show the damage these policies trump is putting forward will do to americans. they need to show the hurt that will because by these things because they are not positive outcomes the tariff idea, mass deportations will wreck the economy. tariffs will wreck the economy.
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they have to make trump only things and, you know, to go back to where you were at the start of this segment, you cannot argue that with, you know, -- this is a bar fight in the dark with knives. you cannot go out there and pretend that you will have this civil discussion about the marginal percentage rate of the tariffs when it is going to be something. you have to be telling american voters, this is going to wreck your life. this is going to hurt your family. this is going to cost you money. democrats have lost working- class voters for a long time because they will not go in there and say, this is the direct line of hurt. this is the harm they are causing. they say we will make you a holistic solar panel installer, but that does not connect with people. trump was able, with his repetitive, dumb messaging, and when i say dom, i mean it was
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dom. it was not sophisticated. it was latinx are too expensive, over and over again. as an x will not come down in price if trump does what he wants and democrats need to be ready to go back with that kind of clear, crisp, high stakes messaging. it is president-elect donald trump's fault. the congress crash is president- elect donald trump's fault. we are losing this or that, president-elect donald trump's fault. do not think you will solve it by some long, sophisticated brookings policy paper. >> this is a message that needs to connect i would like to take credit for the three of us being the first people to say this and being the smartest folks in this phase, but we all know that is not true. that leads me to my next question, molly. given that much, if not every word that rick just said is abundantly true and not new, where in the democratic apparatus is the breakdown occurring such that it seems like folks just do not get it.
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it is a messaging problem. it is a messenger problem. things need to be simplified and you need to be able to microtarget voters in a way that appeals to them? >> yeah, i also just think they need to be more forward facing, right? democrats need to go on every podcast and every show and every channel and they need to go everywhere. one of the real successes that press akkad was he went everywhere. he went to theo von and he went to joe rogan. he went to arias -- he had a simple message that things are too expensive and i will make them cheaper. of course, tariffs do not make things cheaper, though there was a little bit of a disconnect there, but i think that those messages, to have a clear message, but also before facing. trump was able to run for president from the year 2020 to the year 2024, and that was a
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huge advantage. biden was very hesitant to put him out there and even harris was able to do more interviews, but still not really the same level as trump. i do think part of it is you cannot run for president in the 2020s and you have to be just outward facing an out there and, you know, sort of swinging at every pitch and out at every venue and i think that is the only way because, look, if you think about the inflation reduction act, these are policies that are popular, even like the child tax credit. wildly popular, allowed to expire because voters did not really know about it. >> a panel sticking around. we will have a little fun on the others side of the break. our first worst of the week for the year. it is coming up and you do not want to miss it. more county executive sara innamorato coming up. -- more ayman coming up. comi
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buckle up, kids. it is time for our first worst of the week in 2025. tonight's dishonor goes to those on the right who had a knee-jerk callous and quite frankly tone deaf reaction to that attack in new orleans. the tragedy, which left 14 dead, gave press mac an early opportunity to send a message of unity, also americans. instead, trump falsely tied the attack to migrants and double down on those claims, even when it was revealed the sauce that was a u.s. born citizen. his lies spread like wildfire, predictably and mike johnson and fox news said the attack was due to president joe biden's so calls "her policy, which is not a thing, but, again, this was an american, an army veteran, who lived in houston, texas. then there came this old-time moment from louisiana senator john kennedy. >> tell me this.
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>> that is an unusual position. >> i do not get it. >> you would not. >> stay classy. this is the same guy who had the same act of the campaign ad where he said the next time that you get in trouble, go call a crackhead instead of calling the police. this is the same guy, just to be clear. why shall be for your constituents after a horrific tragedy when you can just be a troll? my panel is back with me now. rick, starting with you. i do not know what is more of an embarrass med, president- elect donald trump's lying about this to sponsor xenophobia and racism and everything else to promote his mac immigration positions were the way that kennedy decided to sort of hijack that press conference or -- are they both
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equally deplorable? >> you know, kennedy is the guy that makes ted cruz look like he is wreaking with charisma. he is -- excuse me, terrible individual and there was a lot about him that is unlikable, but as you pointed out, particularly in a moment where you have an ongoing tragedy that is unfolding, that is already full of disinformation and noise and craziness and chaos, it is really a moment where he would hope that even john kennedy would step up and behave like a grown-up, behave like an actual human being for once, but he cannot help himself. as you pointed out, there is a higher incentive for him to be a stroll -- a troll than a leader. that is what -- they have become the troll party in a lot of ways because what did you see with trump and fox and everyone else? the false claim that this guy somehow crossed the border and
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he was illegal. he is an american citizen who did this and makes it more horrible more important for us to resolve it and solve it and fix it and focus on it. kennedy is sort of the tip of a very grotesque fecal iceberg of these people. he is visible and noisy and reflects a broken political culture in the republican party. >> is it broken -- molly, or a broken moment in our discourse as a whole? you know, is a leader of the free world, beyond policy or anything of that nature, we are often required to stand out front and present a moment of -- a spirit of resolve and of calm and of unity during tragedies, none of which are concerned with your political affiliation and have we entered into a swear our discourse has become so polarized where that is impossible with the incoming administration? >> i hope not.
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it is -- none of this is great irony here, of course, when we talk about kennedy, is that kennedy, of course, was at one point a democrat and this is kind of his shtick that he does, and he is actually a lawyer and -- the idea -- this is -- he is posturing in the hope of exciting his face and i do think that it is worth thinking about how that has just not been a good thing for us as a society, to have these politicians who have these sort of characters that they pretend to be. in fact, eric swallow had -- he said he was on everything and he was actually quite smart and, you know, i do not think anyone benefits from that kind of theater, not the senator who thinks he benefits from it, not his constituents, who actually just want their government to do their job
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>> rick, we saw a tremendous increase in the degree of islamophobia after 9/11 and we had been an opening for racist attacks that target muslim americans in ways that are racially dangerous. are we in a space now where, with this incoming administration, we are likely to see more of that, but my real question is, what is it going to take before the republican party or anyone in this discourse, understand the very dangerous nature of sort of toying with those forces for political points? >> look, it is important to bifurcate the problem. we have a demonstrated case of islamic radicalization of a former u.s. army member. this is a concern. it is a real problem, something we need to look at. president-elect donald trump assured as he destroyed ices but apparently not so much. but it is important, we need to
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bifurcate the question. that is an important question. but the blanket attack, oh, it is because he is an illegal muslim alien crossing the border, that is the sort of thing that trump is going to do. no one can shame them out of it and i can convince them it is not a great idea. there is an entire macromedia structure built around islamophobia and an anti- immigrant hostility. that infrastructure from breitbart to fox to all the other elements, they love that storyline and they will press it, even when they know it is a lie. trump is going to do this when he knows it is alive. i think it is important that democrats be on the strong side of the argument. let's face up to the fact this guy was radicalized somehow by i.s.i.s. . let's deal with that and not treat this guy like he deserves a partial -- it does not
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america's farewell to former president jimmy carter began today in georgia. the state where he was born 100 years ago. the carter family arrived in the americas, georgia where his remains were carried to -- through with a hearse by those who protected him. then the motorcade traveled through carter's hometown of plains i'm good he said more than 80 years and paused in front of the farmer the former president lives as a child they ring a bell 39 times honoring
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his service as the 39th president of the united states that it was off to atlanta. the motorcade stopped again, briefly, at the georgia state capitol for a moment of silence. before going to the carter presidential's enter, where people were lined up for the late president's arrival. carter son, chip carter, share these words about his next orders -- father's legacy. >> he was an amazing man and he was held up and propped up and soothed by an amazing woman. the two of them together changed the world. >> president carter is now lying in repose, giving the public the chance to pay their respects until tuesday morning. then he will lie in state in the capitol rotunda until his national funeral service on thursday morning. all four living presidents have been invited to the ceremony.
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