through it? >> that's right. i had family. >> yeah. >> that's what it is. it's family. >> well, i mean, that is what this is about. i think i know you on the screen, and love you, read about you. really learned so much about you, and i'm so grateful. >> yeah, i really learned about you. you're a really good interviewer. but you do a lot of other things, too. i know that. >> the storytelling is amazing. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. that's it for us this hour of morning joe. we hope you have a merry christmas and happy hanukkah. the news continues after this short

breaking overnight, just before the anniversary of january 6th, donald trump e unites key players. we will discuss the award he just received from president biden. also, we are going to review president-elect's sentencing. and grab your coffee and settle in. welcome to "the weekend." ♪♪ new this morning, donald trump close to the party at mar-a-lago last night, and that's not the news. the news is that the party was celebrating his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and the guest list was those who

celebrated those efforts like rudy giuliani. they gathered to celebrate john eastman. in a video posted online apparently taken from the audience, trump sang eastman's praises, insisting eastman was, quote, right the whole time. fortunately for trump, vice president kamala harris doesn't share his volume set. tomorrow she will provide over the certification of donald trump's victory. harris will protect the tradition of peaceful handover of power as donald trump celebrates the efforts that tried to destroy it. with us is co oes of the sisters in law, podcast, kimberly

atkins. >> give us a sense of the room. the audaciousness of it, just the in your face, m-fer, you know. we are going to celebrate four years later of trying to overturn an election. donald trump saying i am a big fan of john eastman, you know, he was right. they said he's not allowed to do it, and our vice president then right after the election, they changed the law so he can't do it. what he's referring to is the electoral count act which congress did change to basically shore up the ambiguities in the 1887 law that eastman exploited,

that he used against the country, so what was the sense in this room, what was the purpose of this gathering, it's just an in your face moment or just a tale of things to come? >> right. let's be very clear. there's no coincidence that this event in which he welcomed not only john eastman, but michael flynn, and jeffrey clark, the man that urged the doj to put off all statements about the 2020 election, and they were up onstage, rudy giuliani was up onstage, and peter navarro, who spent time in prison for not complying with the subpoena from the january 6th committee, and they were watching a film that was a documentary about john eastman, and january 5th being

the anniversary today, and january 6th was pressuring vice president pence to reject the electoral college votes saying he legally had the right to do so and last night while they were watching the documentary, it was donald trump and they watched the film play out, and guys, we did not know this event was taking place real time and was watching the videos on social media trickle out as donald trump, just a day before the kamala harris is set to certify and oversee the counting, he here in mar-a-lago in palm beach welcoming those individuals who tried to help him overturn the 2020 election

being welcomed back to his home in florida. >> no camera, and no readouts provided. it's a little bit like they are telling on themselves like what they know they are doing doesn't past the smell test. let me read you what donald trump has to say as he praised john eastman. he was right, he happened to be right and they changed the law and nobody wants to talk about that, and they said he's not allowed to do it, and right after the election he changed the law so he can't do it, and i think what trump is referring to is the electoral count act, and they did not change the law because they believed it allowed the vp to discard electoral votes but to remove ambiguities

of the law. part of this is to sew confusion and doubt? >> that's right. so many things are wrong with what happened last night, but one of them is about what the act did, and what it did was make clear that the job of the vice president that we will see vice president harris carry out tomorrow, is mandatory and not discretionary. the vice president does not and never had the ability to bend the will of the people, but that is going to be lost on the folks that were in the crowd last night. let's remember, john eastman was disbarred, as you pointed out. peter navarro served time in jail, and rudy giuliani disbarred and is now trying to fight payment after defaming election workers that upended their lives, and these are not patriots and it's unconscionable for a foreign leader to have been part of that. there's only one president at a

time and she had no business there doing that and the lack of transparency is precisely why things like this should not happen now, and donald trump believes he and everybody around him is above the law. >> let's just say -- let's just put a finer point on it. this is sickening. this is sickening. i am sick. peter navarro, jeffrey clark, the people that went to the capitol to take up arms against the united states government, because the president at the time lied to them, that's what happened, those are not patriots. what donald trump did last night is a disgrace to the country and constitution, and the fact that they didn't tell anybody about it let's you know that they knew what they were doing was untoward, and they wanted to do it anyway. vaughn, how in the next

iteration of what some are calling trump 2.0, how can people hold this administration accountable? i do think it was not a small thing. it was not just a party. they are letting you know where their values shall and what they think and frankly the president-elect was not successful in his last election but they would have done it again. >> i think when you look at the -- symone, leading up to the last four years, people like john eastman and jeffrey clark, they have sort of been -- i guess kept at a distance to a certain degree, michael flynn as well. they have definitely remained allies and visited mar-a-lago here and there. last night, just two weeks before january 20th was inauguration day, i think was a clear indicator and affirmation

that donald trump will defend those who are duty flee loyal to him. this is at a time when he said he would look at the cases of those individuals that attacked the capitol four years ago, and there have been more than 1,100 individuals who ascended on the capitol, and part of this is also the parallel between welcoming individuals like michael flynn, who is a conspiracy theoryists, and he had conversations with donald trump about potentially implementing martial law and seizing voting machines. that event happening in parallel to a top european leader in the italian prime minister in merging those two events, i think is an indication of donald

trump's style of leadership, and this is mar-a-lago, and not only trudeau has flown to, and the new nato secretary general, and this is the time when everybody is cognizant of the importance of having a close relationship with donald trump, and donald trump having georgia maloney present, and she could be a key ally in europe where negotiations and conversations will take place about additional u.s. aid to ukraine, and also the trade wars that donald trump has threatened actions to take against europe. i think this is all very much coming to a head simultaneously in ways that i think are very representative of how the first trump administration operated and how it appears the second

trump administration will look in 2025. >> the reality, at least for me, goes to the heart of what symone said. the slime you feel right now when you feel right now, that thing in your gut that goes, ow, this doesn't seem right, and to kimberly's point, we only have one president at a time, and trump didn't give a crap about that, he's the man and that's all that matters, and understand a couple things, kimberly, one is i think is donald trump at this point is going to relitigate 2020, so you all need to buckle down, and vaughn, get your pad ready because you will be writing about 2020 like it hands yesterday, and he wants to prove the election was stolen, and he didn't want the misfits

around him and now he's back and they are back. it goes to the heart of something that came out of the january 6th commission report, and there was a january 4th meeting in the oval office, and eastman himself acknowledged any variation of his proposal would violate several provisions of the electoral count act and that's why congress reformed the act, because they knew what they were doing was a violation of the 1887 law, and they were doing it anyway. kimberly, how do reporters tell this story? i don't want to hear -- i don't want to hear -- i almost said a bad word. i don't want to hear crap coming out the news agencies as if this is new. this is not new. >> or as if this is normal. >> or as if this is normal. this event at mar-a-lago was an

abomination and shouldn't have happened and wouldn't have happened, and how do we know that? because they didn't tell anybody about it. that's my thought. >> frankly, news organizations, not only does it need to be stated as plainly as you did, but in the face of the intimidation we have seen by trump to silence news organizations, and it has been successful in some cases. what we need to do is speak truth to power and shine a light as clearly as possible and explain what it means. i am tired of the coverage that says donald trump said this, and no, we need to say why this is important to the american people. every institution that is being destroyed, every norm that is being violated and every law being broken as we see it in

real time, and when he states an intention to break more laws, that needs to be stated plainly, too. journalists have a big job to do, and many of them -- some much them have, but many have been failing at that job and that's not acceptable. >> first, shout-out to vaughn. he has been straight up on the reporting from donald trump from the beginning, and that's why donald trump doesn't like to take vaughn's questions. >> i said, vaughn, get that pad ready. >> shout-out to you. we appreciate you. and can i say one more thing about georgia maloney -- look, the prime minister, people should not be surprised. she has been politically active since she was a teenager and i believe she was an activist in a

neoactivist in rome, honey. right that up like that. up next, we will continue this conversation with democratic congressman, bennie thompson. i don't know the difference. isn't that a shame? later, tim heaphy. i got you, symone. i'm watching you, too. you're watching "the weekend."

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medal is one of the nation's highest civilian honors awarded to those that performed exemplary deeds of service. on thursday president biden honored 20 americans with the medal including liz cheney and bennie thompson. >> bennie thompson, for his lifelong dedication for safeguarding our constitution. [ applause ] >> and democratic congressman, bennie thompson, joins us here at the table. welcome and congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> congressman, first of all, thank you for being here and

congratulations on this award. i am just wondering what did it feel like knowing all the work you did for the january 6th committee, a committee that you led and frankly, very tumultuous times, and we only know what happened on january 6th because of the committee and i would argue the department of justice only acted because of the work your committee turned up. >> first of all, i am humbled by the award and humbled by the fact that somebody's father who was not able to vote in mississippi because now he was black can now chair that committee, and also the facts that we brought out, as you indicated, as our work over 18 months was just that, the facts. we have invited those that disagree to come forward, but you can't come forward in a tweet and you have to come

forward in the facts. the president made the decision none of us sought the acknowledgment or recognition, and so for that i think, as i said, i am humbled, but there's still work to be done. i am bothered by the fact here we are, one day away from another january 6th, and we will be involved in a different way. four years later, the people are trying to say that what people saw with their own eyes didn't really happen. we move forward. we stand by the work of the committee. we had a tremendous team. liz cheney was my vice chair and we did what a lot of us say is the lord's work. we went all over the world looking for evidence to see what

connections that might have been, and it came down to the fact that what happened on that january 6th was brought about because of then-president donald trump, and people lost their lives. over 140 law enforcement officers were hurt. you know, it was not a good day. not a good moment for the greatest country in the world. >> it was not congressman, and yet you have donald trump at mar-a-lago inviting and celebrating john eastman, michael flynn, jeffrey clark, rudy giuliani, and pete now lawyer yo just last night. what does it tell you as he celebrates these folks as he is about to take an oath to preserve and protect the united states? >> he's trying to rewrite history. the facts speak for themselves.

i am convinced as we went about our work, we involved and invited anybody with information to come forward. the president could have -- the former president at that time could have come forward. we tried to get vice president pence and others to come, and every hearing we conducted we invited people with opposing views to come forward but they had to come forth under oath. you know, you can't just come out here and tell a lie. you know, there's accountability. everybody that presented to our committee in those hearings did it under oath for fear of perjury. we stand by the work of the committee. obviously the department of justice who finally decided to move forward brought a number of indictments and people are in jail. now this president-elect wants to call them patriots. that's so unfortunate. >> they are not patriots. they are insurrectionists, and

many of them have been convicted for the insurrection and the fact that the president celebrates them is an embarrassment to the country, and the fact that he's about to be about inaugurated and he will say the words of oath that he protects and uphold the constitution, and we know he's lying and those words mean nothing to him. congressman, you had a great conversation with my colleague and dear friend here, symone sanders in 2022. one thing was talking about the difficulty of being away from your home and now being the subject on investigations -- threats of investigations for the wrbg ork you did, and i wan particularly call up what you

said about managing democracy, because that's what we are told to do as citizens, and we elect people like bennie thompson and liz cheney to help us do that. let's take a listen to what you said about managing democracy. >> that's the greatness of this democracy and we should never marginalize that, so -- but we have to manage it, as i said. if we don't manage it we stand potentially to lose it, because the platforms that are out here now, social media and otherwise amplifies in some instances things that are patently untrue. in the south, they tell you if you tell a lie long enough, at some point -- >> it becomes the truth. >> -- it becomes the truth. >> and that's the m.o. of donald trump. i will lie to you long enough

because at a certain point you will believe me. how do you and the democrats in this congress manage both democracy and truth in the face of what we saw happening last night and what we will see over the next ensuing months? >> we will have to double our vigilance. we will have to make sure that we hold this administration -- incoming administration to the letter of the law. we are, as americans and this democracy, a nation of laws. we can't let those laws be relegated to one individual's feelings whether or not they like the law or not. if you don't like the law, let's change it. you can't change it with a word. we have to be number one in the world because we had our laws in

writing and we had celebration of power. i will tell you what i'm really concerned about, is if the president can make calls to the house of representatives and pick the speaker, that means that whole separation of power that our founding fathers put together is more morphed. and everything is kneeling at the feet of the incoming president and that is not good for democracy. we debate issues but we debate them as democrats and republicans, and the president gets his turn to take a position and he has a veto pen. now all of a sudden he injects himself and actually intimidates members of congress to change their vote. look, president clinton tried to

get me to vote for nafta, and i told im i wasn't going to do it, and somebody said, you told the president of the united states you were not going to vote for something? >> yeah, because you don't work for him. come on, now. >> stick around, because we definitely want to talk to you more and continue this conversation. we will take a quick break, folks. this is "the weekend." we'll be right back. (vo) explore the world the viking way from the quiet comfort of elegant small ships with no children and no casinos. we actually have reinvented ocean voyages, designing all-inclusive experiences for the thinking person. viking - voted world's best by both travel + leisure and condé nast traveler.

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because a dog at a healthy weight could live a longer, happier life. just yesterday at a closed door house republican retreat, speaker mike johnson said donald trump was in favor of passing a single reconciliation bill that would address his priorities, border securities and energy and the extension of the tax cuts. john thune endorsed a two-deal bill back in december.

congressman betty thompson is back with us. do you think republicans in the house have enough for a single reconciliation bill. >> democrats will not come to the republicans' rescue. as i indicated, donald trump is not a member of a house of representatives. it's -- you know, we have to make sure that people understand that. it's a deliberative process of those individuals who have been elected to represent their constituents. we will see how it goes. he can express an opinion, but that opinion is just like millions of other americans. we take it into consideration, but it has no binding impact on the house, so we look forward to a lively debate. i'm convinced that when a president overreaches into the house like he's doing already, it won't last long.

and the split that's there will continue. it will get wider. more importantly, democrats are united. we will show republicans how you count the electoral college votes on january 6th. we won't be all over the place. i go back to the point that i was there, i was in the building. i saw what went on. it embarrassed as a nation. so donald trump should be ashamed of himself by trying to re-write that history that all of us in the beginning acknowledged that it was a bad thing. so four years later, they want to convince you that, well, you know, it was really people blowing off a little steam. one member compared it to a

congressional tour. every time i see windows being broken and objects being thrown at law enforcement staff and members of congress running for their lives, i still shutter that how can someone come back and said if those individuals did that were patriots, we know, as you said, they were insurrectionists, but those are the times we are living in. now, all of a sudden a lot of our colleagues -- and i call them colleagues, not necessarily elected, and they go to mar-a-lago and doing whatever shuffling they need to do. i guess that's what you do. but at some point, i guess you have to be right, and i hope for what we see for the next two years, because i am convinced there's a great opportunity for democrats over the next two

years to take the house back. hakeem jeffries is a good leader. he's disciplined. he's kept us informed. even when we disagreed, but he didn't close the door. >> democrats have been in array, not disarray. >> well, we can talk about that. >> well, unfortunately for you, we're out of time. the congressman will have the last word. uh-huh. congressman, bennie thompson, thank you for your time today and your service. >> and congratulations, again. congratulations. up next, folks, a candidate dnc vice chair, adam frisch. it really works.

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he said i think i can share the focus on what we should be looking for in small town rural american districts. adam joints us next. >> good to see you. you have a little moxi there, bro. you nearly take out boebert and place yourself in a position to run for vice chair of the democratic party, and a lot of focus, in fact symone and i were talking off air about the rural east coast versus west coast, and you heard from the durango herald, democrats are kind of the party, and the branding in our politics is an essential aspect of sort of gaining an advantage of voters, particularly voters who are otherwise not inclined towards

you. how do you see your role as vice chair of the democratic party helping to recast that brand and to bring the party to where people are living out their lives every day in a way in which they see themselves reflected in that brand? >> good morning, and happy new year. without a doubt. let me just set the parameters of where we are. 1996, bill clinton won a majority of the rural counties in the country, and there's about 2,000 of them, and president biden and harris won 80%, and they went from 50% to under 10% of the rural counties in our country, and as you know, all rural counties are not just white ranchers in wyoming. right? it's diverse, from the native

americans and african american and latinos in the southwest, the latino community, and we need to figure out how to make that connection back. to me, the rural urban, it's a conversation, and we have lost the ability as a country, but especially as a party, and it's people that produce thing, producing steel and in the energy sector, and ranchers and farmers putting food on peoples' plates, and we need to figure out how to get that back. to your point, michael, at the national level, the brand, it's a pretty insider group but they come from the county level and they come from the state level. we need to figure out how to empower them and be good

listeners and show up, and i finished in my race about a 7,500 miles -- >> yeah, boebert has to move to keep her seat. >> i appreciate emotional victories. my top three policies are to win, to win and to win. that's what we need to do in the democratic party. >> geographic diversity is a form of diversity, and it's been voted they are looking the diversity, and it's a -- first, what do you say to those that

have reservations about your ability to build a diverse team to make sure that you support diverse vendors. how do you bring diversity to the table outside of your identity? >> i am aware of that, without a doubt we have a diverse party and that's one of the strengths of it and i fully appreciate -- at least the chairs, white males, and i appreciate that, and i am running alongside and not against any of them. it's more diverse in all sorts of ways, geographically and ideologically and gender, and when i started running in rural colorado i made it clear to the democratic primary voters, i know you are not looking for a successful middle aged white guy to be running around with a democratic flag, and i think we can focus on how to work hard and how to figure out how to do

the policies at the same time. there will be seven or eight positions to be voted on and i am sure there will be gender and racial and geographic diversity to deal with, and many say maybe we should talk to the voters, and i think i have done a 75,000-mile focus group being on the road, and being a good listener and that's why we are able to out run the top of the ticket. i have a thing called project 225, and i want 225 house members to be a floor and not a ceiling in the house. the same thing, i want 52 in the senate. we need a speaker jeffries and how we do that we get on the road and we become very, very good listeners. >> i am curious, is there anybody stopping men and women of color for running for chairman of the democratic

national convention? >> i was going to address this in the host chat, but let's be clear -- >> is there a bar to their participation? >> no. but i think the stories about why are there not more people of color running? we just nominated a black lady and you didn't pick her, so get somebody else to show up, and i am tired of the stories where -- you guys just nominated the most capable person ever to run for the cy, and all you did was pick this lady apart in the aftermath and you nominated -- don't get me started. quick asking where people of color are, okay? we are not in the mood. >> that's why i put it on the table. >> pardon me, sir. i love what you said about rural america and the diversity about rural america because you are one of the first people to speak

about it in that way, and that's the right way to talk about it, because rural america is also diverse. what are you hearing from the dnc members? i know they have a lot of thoughts, and we hear from members of congress but they don't have a vote, and i want to here about the 448 people that do have a vote in this and what you have heard from them? >> i appreciate that. talking to the democrats in north dakota, south dakota, and i was born on the indian reservation, and they appreciate being left out of the conversation with financial support as well as with ideological support to realize, hey, the producers used to be supporters of the democratic party and that used to be the backbone and we lost that over the years and it started before the transgender and wokeness conversation, and we need to figure how to get that back. and talking to some of the dnc

members in the more urban cities, they appreciate it too. they look around and even in the democratic parties where they see 60 to 70% in the big cities, they realize we have lost it and some of the losses we have seen are in the urban areas in the last couple of years. again, there are people producing all over the country, even in the cities as well, but we need to figure out how to get back to being good listeners outside rural america. again, my joke is listen, the democratic party, we were 20 big cities, aspen and martha's vineyard. we have a diverse rural part of the country and we need to figure out how to get that back. >> that jet flies back and forth. >> honey, i'm just saying as a little black girl from north omaha, nebraska, i appreciate your comments, adam frisch. thank you for being here today. we will be watching this race. >> thanks.

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the kitties. in a memo obtained by the "new york post," trump's chief of staff said, quote, all intended nominees should refrain from any social media public posts without white house approval. i presume that means donald trump himself. >> yeah. >> listen, i have to say, kudos to the operative, because that's the right thing to do but it's amazing because it means you're not worried about being an anti-vaxxer, you are worried about what they could post in the waning days of their confirmation hearing. >> to be clear, if those things were buried at the entry -- >> they will be asked about it at the confirmation hearings.

>> you don't have to tweet. this is so stupid. >> i mean, the tweets are about not having them do anything more. they told them not to tweet, not to post and also, as my understanding, they are not supposed to be doing interviews so when they are in the hallways of the capitol, run real fast. you don't have a comment, just smile and wave because they are trying to get you through the confirmation hearings. for people out there to, i don't know, i can't turn on the tv, you are going to need to turn on your tv to msnbc for the confirmation hearings because this is going to be must-see television, because this is the opportunity for the members to hold these potential nomination secretaries to get -- >> that's the democratic side. this is the opportunity for republicans to shield the crap they have been schilling and placate and pretend the stuff we all know and read about and talk

about didn't happen. all the things alicia just said, all the misogyny and all the right-wing crazy and hanging out with bad people, don't want to know about that, right, because republicans are not going to ask those questions. you need to see how this comes -- >> i will be watching for the people on the senate judiciary committee, okay? >> all right. stay right there, folks, because there's another hour of "the weekend" coming up, and we will talk to mary mccord, tim heaphy and mark ziad. don't go anywhere. get that cup. let's go. defense! or way up here with a same game parlay. yaw! betmgm's got your back. get your welcome offer. and play with the sportsbook born in vegas. all these seats. really?

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