tv Alex Witt Reports MSNBC January 5, 2025 10:00am-11:00am PST
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you from msnbc headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. have breaking news, 63 million americans under winter alerts including 3 million under a blizzard warning including parts of kansas and nebraska. the kansas city area is seeing multiple reports of thunder snow. icy christians leading to accidents on the road. officials in kansas city are bracing for a potentially record breaking noefl. >> this has the potential to be one of the biggest in kansas city's history but we are prepared. we will be out 24 hours a day until every street is cleared. we ask that people stay off the roads as much as you can. >> maggie vespa is going to join
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us from kansas city, missouri shortly and give us a bird's eye view of what's happening. meanwhile, let's go to the day's political headlines with tomorrow marking a fraught anniversary on capitol hill. the congress will certify donald trump's victory in the 2024 election. it also marks four years since the january insurection on capitol hill. to date, 1500 defendants have been charged, more than 600 sentenced to prison. >> four out of five people in the last election felt that donald trump had done something wrong. he did, he did. he led an insurrection. >> four years later, people are trying to say what people saw with their own eyes didn't happen. >> for those of us who were there in the capitol, it will be an emotional experience to be back in that environment on that day. >> security extremely tight in
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the nation's capitol, law enforcement focusing on three security events among others. with 15 days left in the white house, president biden has a packed schedule. tomorrow he heads to new orleans to meet the families of the victims of the new year's day terrorist attack. he will then go to los angeles. and then on thursday, he will meet with italy's italian prime minister, we will do that in italy. in the final weeks, he will deliver major speeches, one on foreign policy, and the other being his farewell address. >> it is an opportunity to have one final moment on the national stage before he exits. ahead of her meeting with biden, the italian prime minister met with donald trump and they watched a film from john eastman who urged vice president pence to reject electors in an effort to stop
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the 2020 election. among those at the viewing was eastman, peter navarro, jeffrey clark, and michael flynn. in atlanta, the long public goodbye to former president jimmy carter is underway. thousands of mourners waiting in line to pay respects. >> jimmy carter and his wife and the family, and the carter center, and what he has done for the community has brought life back into northeast atlanta. >> we have julie tsirkin and vaughn hillyard in place ready to go over these developments. vaughn, we will start with you in west palm beach. what do we know about this very interesting gathering at mar-a-lago last night, the who and what was going on, and then the reaction to it? >> reporter: well, the timing of all of this is i don't think coincidental. let's be clear. tomorrow is the january 6th certification process in which kamala harris will be the one overseeing the counting of donald trump's electoral college
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votes and her own defeat. it is also the four year anniversary of the capitol attack that led to the criminal indictment of trump and the convictions of more than 1100 individuals. last night at mar-a-lago, it was head turning to see the individuals welcomed to mar-a-lago for an event based around a film on john eastman. folks will recall that john eastman was one of the lawyers indicted as part of the racketeering charges in georgia, along with donald trump. john eastman was a lawyer who told donald trump the vice president could legally reject electoral college votes and send them back to the states. this for donald trump was not just john eastman who he welcomed back to mar-a-lago. it was rudy giuliani, peter navarro who served four months in jail for defying a subpoena from the january 6th committee.
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it included jeffrey clark, another individual indicted on rico charges in georgia. for donald trump, he was doing all of this, kind of merged two events at once. not only appearing with the likes of those individuals but also at the same time, italian prime minister georgia maloney. so i want to let you know about another incident from senator john thune, the incoming senate majority leader. he was asked about january 6th and donald trump's suggestion that he would pardon those attackers come day one, january 20th when he is inaugurated. take a listen. >> that is ultimately going to be a decision that president trump will have to make. you know, what i'm focused on is the future. and not looking in the rearview mirror and looking in the windshield of what we have to do. you learn from the past, remember the past, but you live in the present. >> reporter: tomorrow is going to be the present.
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donald trump is slated to be here at mar-a-lago as those proceedings take place mid day tomorrow. he is intending to go to washington d.c. for jimmy carter's memorial service come thursday. and there is much at play as donald trump continues to relitigate the 2020 election and openly suggest that he will seek the pardon of many of the attackers who descended on the capitol as part of the mob. >> something he has vowed to do on day one, thank you, vaughn. we will hear from congressman jaja krigspoorty coming up. but right now local law enforcement is ramping up security ahead of tomorrow's certification. and also carter's state funeral thursday and inauguration day on the 20th. julie tsirkin is joining us from capitol hill. welcome my friend. how is the district preparing
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for these big events after the attacks in new orleans and las vegas and in the shadow of january 6th four years ago? >> reporter: it is impossible to overstate how different the capitol complex looks than it did fourrs ago in 2021. i walked around the complex a couple of moments ago and there are already units from -- army units, and national guard units stationed around the capitol, fortifying the officers that have been added to since the events of 2021, fencing all around the capitol complex as well, to prepare for the extreme weather, salting is happening in the complex. they are urging members to make sure they are present to certify the election and certify donald trump's win. we did hear earlier today from senator amy klobuchar who sits on the senate rules committee.
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she was instrumental in some of the many changes we saw over the last couple of years, including raising the requirement of which any member can object to tomorrow 's certification from one member to a fifth of the members present. that is a huge difference. also of course, strengthening some of the powers that the vice president has in certifying the election in making sure what we saw happen with mike pence doesn't happen with kamala harris. democrats say that they expect democrats to vote and certify the election. that is from nancy pelosi and klobuchar. let me lay out what we are seeing in the capitol police force and making sure that the security is enhanced. >> we have as you don't know a new police chief, increased morale, many hundreds more officers. we have a plan and a strategy in place. that's not to say there are not threats all the time on members
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of congress, around the capitol. i feel very strongly that we have made major shifts. what happened last time which haunt me forever, a police officer said, does anyone have a plan? does anyone have a plan? and the answer from the leadership back then was no. now we have clear leadership in place. >> reporter: notably, a lot has changed of course. when you talk about the attacks, especially the terror attack in new orleans, we have calls from membership that they want briefings and fbi and law enforcement to tell them what they are learning and how they will prevent that from happening with high profile events this month. >> lots to keep track of. thank you, julie. now back to breaking news and a blizzard warning in parts of kansas, nebraska, and missouri. let's go to maggie vespa joining us in kansas city, missouri where the winter storm warnings have extended until monday
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morning. how are conditions right now, maggie? >> reporter: in a word, they're awful. there was no snow on the ground 24 hours ago. and all of this fell overnight. you can see it in the shot, it is coming down fast and heavy. this is like dense, packable snow. this is the kind of stuff that makes it difficult to drive in, difficult to plow. you think of the fact that this is no on top of ice that coated the roadways, up to 14 inches expected in parts of the kansas city area today, basically by tonight before this thing moves east. as you can see, especially in the heartland, it is just getting started. a brutal winter system wreaking havoc and stunning video of a semi jackknifing on a missouri highway. video shows another semi already off the road. watch as this black suv slides
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across a median. another dodger narrowly dodging it. troopers are pleading people to stay off the roads. >> watch my feet, ready for this? that's what we are dealing with out here. >> reporter: the may hem caused by a monster system slamming utah and south dakota and barrelling east as parts of the midwest brace for up to 16 inches of snow and temperatures 25 degrees below afrmg average. my monday, it will hit new york. in kansas city, the snow nearly snarling nfl action after the chiefs' flight was delayed to denver. the runways reopened last night. this as missouri's department of transportation calls this the biggest storm in nearly a decade. >> what is that like going to
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bed tonight expecting that tomorrow? >> i don't know if i will do much sleeping tonight. >> reporter: yeah , for what it's worth, i drove with a plow driver in the last hour and they didn't get much sleep last night. the chiefs did get to denver and that game should go on. we want to show you the maps of how widespread this is. 60 million people in the storm alerts. we are seeing power outages in the affected states. crews are working to get the power on as quickly as possible given how cold it is. >> it looks cold, sounds cold, you can hear the hies coming down. i'm sorry you are out there reporting. the only thing that is good about this is making snow balls. >> very true. bright side for sure. >> not that bright. thank you very much. we will see you again. in the meantime, what to make of trump's mar-a-lago event with people who tried to overturn the 2020 election.
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betmgm's got your back. get your welcome offer. and play with the sportsbook born in vegas. all these seats. really? get up to a $1500 new customer offer in bonus bets when you sign up now. betmgm. download and bet today. now to new reaction today to president-elect trump hosting some of his former lawyers involved in trying to overturn the 2020 election in mar-a-lago. here's benny thompson earlier on the weekend. >> obviously, he is trying to rewrite history. we stand by the work of the committee. obviously the department of justice who finally decided to
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move forward brought a number of indictments and people are in jail and now this president elect wants to call them patriots. that's so unfortunate. >> this as donald trump prepares for a busy schedule ahead of inauguration including a court ordered appearance in his hush mone felony conviction on january 10th. joining us now is illinois democratic congressman raja krishnamoorthi, welcome back to the broadcast. you heard representative thompson's take on all of this. i'm curious of yours and also donald trump hosting people who tried to undo the nation's democratic process at his home last night in florida. >> i wasn't invited to it. it looked like a rogue gallery of people involved in the run up to january 6th in trying to
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decertify the election. tomorrow is january 6th. i'm currently in the capitol complex because i want to be here for sure to certify the presidential election. it was a dark day in democracy. this is a day that only a tiny minority of americans feel was in 2021 only a tinyy conducted minority of americans want people pardoned in connection with their insurecectionist activities. it is something that we will oppose and i will oppose any way possible. >> i assume you are there in advance of the winter weather headed to d.c. and making sure you are there for the vote. >> correct. >> what is going through your mind? how do you feel about tomorrow
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and this really traumatic anniversary? >> very emotional for a lot of us. i was actually in my office when a bomb was discovered 200 feet away from my office window. all of the emotions of that day are going to course through as we witness what happens tomorrow but at the end of the day, all democrats that i know, that i have talked to are going to certify the election. it doesn't matter whether you win or lose an election to determine whether you will certify it. that's the principle that we democrats are going to uphold, unlike our colleagues on the other side who decided that it was appropriate to decertify the election because donald trump lost. >> kamala harris will obviously preside over the certification process but she will do the right thing. she is going to uphold the election. she's going to certify donald
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trump as the winner. and in that regard, she is going to conduct herself in a very dignified fashion. >> and you can guarantee that despite joe biden losing the election, not a single democratic vote will be for decertification? >> as you know harris was our nominee but yes, i believe that almost every democrat is going to certify the election. >> okay. by the way, i did have to catch you up, harris ran and joe biden stepped aside in the summer. let me get to capitol police ahead of the certification. are you confident you will be safe there tomorrow? has congress been reminded of the procedures in case things get out of control again? >> i think we will be safe. i think the u.s. capitol police
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have done quite a bit in the intervening four years to bolster security around here in general. i think they will take important steps to safeguard the capitol as they should. >> so on the eve of the certification of these election results, it begs the question, is trump having a criminal record enough? does a blotch attached to his name, does it show a job well done by our justice system despite what it looks like in terms of tangible effects on him? >> frankly, it is dissatisfying, alex. i think the justice department moved way too slowly with regard to the january 6th process of charging people and convicting them and of course investigating and then going after donald trump for what he did in the
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insurrection. all that said, we are here today. i think judge merchan has decided that he can't impose jail time, although i should say that every other person who has been convicted of similar crimes since 2014, according to "the new york times" has served jail time so that is dissatisfying. but upholding the principle of the conviction is important in itself. i think if at the least he can do that. and then we can look at sentencing donald trump after his presidency. that would be something to salvage out of this process. >> so i'm curious how you and we remind our viewers, you are a harvard educated lawyer. how do you expect the appeals process to go? could this follow trump well into his presidency? would it be wrapped up quickly considering he is back in the
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oval office soon? >> i understand that trump has two routes to proceed. he could look to stay the sentencing coming up in a few days in which case, he can't appeal that because you have to allow the sentencing to be completed for him to appeal it. or he could decide to accept the sentence and then appeal it during his second presidency. and yes, i think that will be going all the way up to the supreme court again. that will probably obviously allow for the conviction to stand and he will be convicted. he will have been convicted of 34 felonies while serving as president. >> in the wake of the new orleans tearestrist attack, giveren your position on the committee , what is the level of threat against the united states on any given day from any given
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source? do you feel the united states is safe and prepared to go about its regular business on a day to day basis? >> unfortunately the level of threats is high but i believe we are safe. why? because of the fbi, because of law enforcement authorities. that's why haim so concerned when people like kash patel or donald trump attack the fbi and say things like they are going to close down the headquarters and send people packing. the fbi and other law enforcement authorities have prevented a 9/11 from happening since 9/11 first happened. we have to do everything we can to protect the homeland and stand with our law enforcement, stand with the fbi and others in the intelligence community to prevent future attacks. >> all right. congressman raja krishnamoorthi, i hope to see you many more times throughout the new year. new voices of mourners on
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absolutely incredible morning. there have been so many people from all walks of life from both here in georgia and across the country who are coming out to pay their respects. i don't know if you can tell behind me but ms. ida you heard from is talking to some younger boys. we have seen so many moments like that throughout the day, just people talking to one another, reflecting on his life. i asked so many people why they felt they wanted to come out here. most of them talked about the type of man he was and how he led by example, the type of leader he was and type of loving husband and father he was. a lot of people decided to come with their families and really teach their children a little bit about him. of course they weren't alive during his presidency. let's take a listen to what one of those families had to say. >> it's a lot less about the presidency like my mom said. it's a lot about what he did throughout his life when he was in the senate and what he did after his presidency and i think
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that's great and really important to not think about politicians as just politicians but remember them as people. they had hearts, souls, they are more than just the big guy in the white house. >> reporter: and by the way, that young man evan jones was not alive during the carter presidency but he was born and raised in georgia and like so many people here, he said he felt so proud that this was the one president who came from his home state. he really feels so proud of his legacy. >> and he spoke very well about that. thank you very much priya sridhar. new and alarming details from the fbi a short time ago on the attack in new orleans, the details you may have missed coming your way next. y have mise coming your way next
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new today and just in this last hour, the fbi providing new information on the deadly attack in new orleans. let's go to nbc's cag ty park in new orleans for us. what are we learning from today's news conference? >> reporter: good afternoon. the fbi just wrapped up a press conference and for the first time we are learning chilling new details about the ongoing investigation. we also learned that the suspect jabbar was wearing meta glasses and he recorded his movements. take a listen.
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>> jabbar made at least two trips to new orleans in the months prior to the attack. one in october, and the other a month later in november. during that time, jabbar, using meta glasses recorded a video as he rode through the french quarter on a bicycle. meta glasses appear to look like regular glasses but they allow a user to record videos and photos hands free. >> reporter: and alex, authorities adding to that saying that he was actually found on new year's day wearing those glasses. it is unclear if he wore them and recorded the entirety of the attack. i want to point out as you heard, the official talking about jabbar's movements. they are combing through his travel. he travelled to cairo and ontrario, and several states in
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between. georgia was mentioned. all of that is part of the ongoing investigation. as far as the evidence goes, they uncovered two firearms as well as a privately made silencer. we also learned that the bomb making chemicals found in two homes, the short-term renter in new orleans and the home registered to him in houston, there were chemicals found in both locations, a chemical known as rdx, common and available in the u.s. also, obviously, alex, there are a lot of questions about security here in new orleans, bourbon street especially ahead of mardi gras and the super bowl set to happen next month. the mayor was pressed about this, asking will the public be safe. she says specifically that a tactical expert will be here this week to look at potential targets and hardening those
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potential targets and has asked for infrastructure activation in realtime starting tomorrow. so some new information there as far as the investigation goes. the mayor also ensuring the public that new orleans will be safe going forward. >> they have a heavy lift in terms of security and the president is visiting tomorrow there as well. kathy park, thank you so much. for more joining me is holden triplet at the national security council, founder of trenchcoat advisors, welcome. a senior law enforcement official tells nbc news that the videos posted before the attack, in those, shamsud-din jabbar told his family he considered killing them and that he had joined isis. experts say the details emerging about jabbar align with a pattern, a typical pattern of how a veteran can be radicalized to be violent. do you agree with that?
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>> yes, i do. it makes a lot of sense, the path he went on in terms of the pressure he was under financially and emotionally with failed relationships and difficulties, at least with the evidence we have so far. i think the key thing for me that the fbi is focusing on, was he part of something larger, did he act alone as the preverbial lone wolf where he was self radicalized online or is he part of a larger cell. the trips abroad could be indicative of an outside group. so that is most concerning with the fbi. >> i want to follow up in two parts of what you said. first, to counter what he was telling his family, family and friends describe him as kind and unassuming. his half brother calling the
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attack a complete surprise. is that unusual? or did people in his life miss warning signs? can you imagine their shock discovering he considered killing them? how does that behavior go unnoticed? >> i think a lot of times it is a mixture of people don't see it happen slowly, there is some cognitive dissidence that goes on in the sense that they don't want to believe that someone could do something like that even if they start to hear more radical views expressed. it is possible he kept a lot of that to himself. if he was working with a group on the outside, it is possible that he was counseled or guided and kept them to himself and they couldn't see the transformation happening. but in many ways, this is linked to mental health difficulties it sounds like and those often get written off by people saying life is difficult and we couldn't imagine he could turn
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so abruptly. but that has happened multiple times. boston marathon bombing, multiple other individuals , nadal husawn, in the past. we have seen this before. >> what are the discussions to the terror threat going on, people like you, in your position, what are you talking about? >> the main thing i mentioned before is they are trying to figure out if he is part of a larger cell. is that indicative of a more active cell targeting the united states or targeting large events at the united states. that has gone on in the past with various level of specificity. if he was the active arm of someone organizing it, they are looking for other plots ongoing, other individuals who have been trained, counseled, and who have been prepping for something. >> but experts are saying that
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finding, assessing extremist communities online has never been easier, the threat has never been higher, and the idology of those involved has never been more splintered. how difficult does that make for authorities to track down these kind of attacks and does it make the lone wolf attacker more elusive than an organized group? >> it makes it extremely difficult. if you look at what the fbi has on its plate, looking at terrorist activities and also looking at competition. we could be talking about trade with china and russia. they look at a lot. it makes it extremely difficult. two things we look at are intent and capability. does someone have the intent to harm and are they capable of it? both have increased dramatically in the last few years in the sense that people who are upset, disenfranchised and channelling their anger into something more
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destructive and also finding out how to conduct the attacks. connecting with people with those abilities. level significantly and it will continue to increase. >> any concerns about the big events happening, january 6th certification tomorrow? president carter's funeral thursday, inauguration two weeks from tomorrow? >> those events always have significant kind of risks attached to them. the bigger ones, not to say they have them locked down, they say there is a lot of research and attention focused on them. where my worries would be would be on the second tier gatherings where you have a couple hundred people which happens all the time across the united states. they are much more softer and easier to target than tha large scale events. >> okay. holden, sobering but very much appreciated. thank you for the conversation. marking january 6th, the panel weighs in on the shocking array of former trump lawyers
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the effort to overturn the 2020 election for the premier of eastman's new documentary. dawn hallway is here with he long with susan del purseio and also david jolly. hey family, good way to start the new year. when you look at the group, many have been jailed because of their interference to an election and contribution to january 6th, plus a far right prime minister. are these the kind of folks that trump will surround himself with in term two and why can't he let go of 2020? he won 2024. he is going back to the white house. >> to take your questions in reverse, the reason he can't let go of 2020 is they don't think they did anything wrong. i think this inauguration that
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is coming up represents the culmination of some type of broad exoneration, theoretically if not practically. on january 10th, the new york court will still sentence the president and i think it is important that they do that regardless of the supreme court decision granting immunity and whatever else will come from that. we know the president will not serve jail time or a criminal penalty but it is important that the court run it out to full fruition. is the type of people that the president will surround himself with? unfortunately yes. we are seeing these characters descend upon washington d.c. and it portends for a certain amount of chaos. i think there will be some opportunity for democrats to deal, particularly from a commercial perspective or business legislation, i think there will be an opportunity to deal in this type of chaos because it will be unclear who is in charge. there will be broad opportunity to do different things legislatively.
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but unfortunately, this is the type of cast of characters who was objectively and very clearly involved in a plot to overthrow the government and waiting on a coronation in washington d.c. >> white ring outlets have called the film detailing the struggle of lawyers. the efforts to overturn the election left john eastman indicted and recommended for disbarment. trump has the platform to firth ter rins and spin the capitol attack into what he has called a day of love. in this film, the kickoff of trump's plan as president to rewrite history, is that t what this is serving as when it comes to january 6th and those who contributed to it? >> i think it is just more self adyuleation for the president-elect t. he wants to use this to say,
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see, i really did win. he likes to put his thumb in the eye of the public at large. he gets a charge out of it. he said he would pardon those who have ben convicted of crimes on january 6 of 2021. and he probably will. but we couldn't be surprised by this. this document as we know, some documentaries can be easily done if you have a few people willing to contribute. and some of the donors that support donald trump were happy to do this. again, it's sad, it's unfortunate but it really is just donald trump's way of thumbing his nose at the public. >> david, we know trump plans to pardon many january 6th rioters and go after those who investigated it. a former experience including surgery and he wrote, i sometimes wonder why i risk my
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life to defend our elected officials from a mob inspired by mr. trump only to see him return to power stronger than ever. what more damage can his dismissile of january 6th to damage the trust in government institutions? >> well, january 6, 2021 was a day in which the sitting president incited violence to try to overturn an election. i think capitol police officer's words there are very telling. what is most disconcerting, for half of the country, january 6th was an inconsequential event and that is concerning. trump will rewrite history and i wonder now if joe biden should pardon donald trump for this reason. it may be the only opportunity to record for history the
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pretext that donald trump's criminality and accountability. it may be more about the why he is pardoning donald trump to record for history what january 6th was really about and then provide the pardon because without it, donald trump truly has escaped accountability. in the words of the capital police officer, now one of sorrow because we realize a sitting president can try to use violence to topple the country which he leaves and that could be the wrong story for history. joe biden might have a chance to rewrite history as a pretext to what donald trump is about to do. >> that is so interesting. don i want to ask your opinion on that. there was chatter about that for a while, about the prospect of biden pardoning trump. it may not be for the reasons that dave articulated but to unify the country. but for either reason, what do you think? >> the supreme court effectively already pardoned donald trump.
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perhaps there is some messaging joe biden could get done by saying yes, he did something criminal and maybe biden would see him as rising to a hyperdiplomatic status. but this is the first time i'm going to vigorously disagree with the former congressman david here. a pardon would amplify the lack of accountability. i understand the reverse psychology of saying this is a way of saying you did something wrong and solidify it, no, not so much. i don't think that the president has much more important things to do in these days. >> live with it for a few days, don. >> i'm going to sit on it and still not be with you. he has more important things to do in the last few days. >> susan, i want to give you the last few words. if we were sitting around the sunday dinner table and having this conversation, how would you chime in? >> i kind of like where david
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went on this. again, it is part of history now if he is pardoned. for o the reasons that several people were under consideration by biden for pardons like schiff or liz cheney, they didn't want it because it implied they did something wrong . that is the same thing that david is getting at when he says let's pardon him and say that what he did was wrong. we are going to deal with donald trump over the next four years. but our history, country, going for 10, 20, 30 years, i think that could be an important thing to do. i like it. >> last question, do you think by the explanation that you offered, would donald trump accept that pardon? >> it almost doesn't matter. i think my point is because history will record thus far that he got away with it, i think the words of the sitting
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