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to erase it from our collective memory. plus, elon musk threatens to sue media outlets for reporting on the truth. and the powerful moment you may have missed during the speakership fight. a delegate in the u.s. house saying america still has a colonies problem. we have a lot to talk about. let's do it. democratic minority leader hakeem jeffrie is the members of the 119th congress. his being knowledge of trump's win had a telling reaction from gop lawmakers. >> two months ago the american people elected donald trump as the 47th president of the

united states of america. >> thank you for that generous applause. it is okay there are no election deniers on our side of the aisle. >> shout out, brooklyn. >> tomorrow, january 6th congress is set to vote in the win. same day, four years ago a mob attempted to take control and to overturn the election results by force. now, in 2025, physical reminders of that day have largely faded. inside of the capitol you will not find scars on the walls from the thousands who converged on january 6th while waving trump flags, no plaque or remembrance of the attack. we have videos like these, many of them which came from the rioters themselves.

we have the images of protesters breaking windows and storming the halls of the capitol, eive trying to take over the house floor as lawmakers and their staff huddled for safety. we have these chilling sounds, this terrifying chant, targeting then vice president mike pence. multiple people died. during and after the riot. more than 140 police officers were injured. that night, we heard this from senator lindsey graham who had been a ally of trump since he won in 2016. >> i hated to end this way. my god i hate it. from my point of view he has been a consequential president. today, the first thing that you will see. all i can say is count me out, enough is enough. >> and then the next day, trump himself even shared this video

to social media. >> i would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the united states capitol. the demonstrators defiled the seat of american democracy to those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction you do not represent our country. and to those that broke the law, you will pay. but soon there were these little and then big shifts in the narrative around what actually happened on january 6th of the recent trauma everyone in this country just lived through. some republicans started floating the idea that the protesters at at capitol were not right wing or trump supporters at all. >> now, they were likely not all trump supporters and there are some reports antifa sympathizers may have been throughout the crowd >> i don't know if the reports are true. but the washington times just reported some pretty compelling

evidence from a facial recognition company showing some of the people that breached the capitol today were not trump supporters they were masquerading as trump support ers and were members of violent terrorist groups antifa. >> then another theme. downplaying the violence at the insurrection >> it was not an insurrection. we can not call it that and be trowghtful. if you did not know the footage was a video from january 6th you would think it is a normal tourist visit. >> a normal -- with a straight face. a normal tourist visit. >> finally. transformation of the insurrectionist from law breakers to patriots and martars. >> we will treat those people from january 6th fairly. >> a bipartisan january 6th select committee was assembled to hold public hearings on the

events. they presented more documentation of the violent attack in an effort to assure account billity and transparency. special council jack smith was tasked with leading his own investigation of trump's role in the attack. they took actions against the rioters, the doj charged more than 1500 people with crimes stemming from the attack on the capitol. here is the thing. despite the indisputable evidence, detailed investigations and prosecutions, by 2022, nbc news poll found that less than half of americans consider trump solely or mainly responsible for the january 6th attack. the full throat of gop campaign to rewrite history largely worked. when trump began campaigning for a second term there was a clear talking point reported over and over again by anyone serious about joining his administration. >> on the election of 2020, i

have answered this question directly a million times, no, did trump lose the election not by the words that i would use. >> it all went back to the big lie. do you believe donald trump won the 2020 election or not. that was the barometer for getting into trump's inner circle. it is something that we can not stand to forget as new administration is just 15 days from taking power. last month trump promised to elect rioters in the first hour of his term. these are the same people who were tried by the doj and convicted by the government. speaker mike johnson said house republicans will set their sites on the january 6th committee to have the nerve, the audacity to investigate the insurrection that happened in front of all of us in plain

sight. in a new essay for the "new york times" a member of the capitol police says he is still haunted by the events of that day and he left the force. i resent the whitewashing of the collective amnesia of right wing politicians who are not willing to hold trump accountable. i can not bear to hear republicans describe themselves as the law and order party. it is by design, it not only undermineds the significance undermines it is looms over our system. four years later, as republicans would love for americans to get on board with their historical re-write or move on from it, we can not sit back and allow the continued normalization of the insurrection. joining me now to discuss this is white house correspondent and washington bureau chief as

well as an msnbc contributor. and author of "black women will save the world." thank you for being here. i want to start with you, april, your response to comments that president biden made this afternoon to a reporter talking about the significance of january 6th tomorrow, he said, i think it should not be rewritten. i don't thank you should be forgotten but i don't think we should. i reached out to make sure there is a smooth transition, we have to get back to basic normal transfer of power. >> president biden is president for the next few days and he wants smooth transition. he does not want the remnants of january 6th, the residue of january 6th four years ago to be part of his legacy. you have to remember, okay, president biden is trying to stay above the fray.

but for those of us who work in washington, those of us who were there or were reporting on it remember vividly. and, you can not negate january 6th because january 6th was, in fact, an effort to keep donald trump in office. not let joe biden come in. if those persons who were rioting that day had done what they planned charles i don't know if we would be in these seats right now. it would look different, smell different, taste different. this was not a tourist attraction tour, a visit with picnic basket with those red and white checkered table clothes, skipping through the halls of congress. these were people who had bear spray, who had bats, tens of thousands of people who had backpacks that could not make

it through the secret service checkpoint because they had things in their bags, okay. while the president was speaking. they moved on over to capitol hill. and president trump watched it, he told them to ultimately at the end of the day to go home. he even said this defiled democracy the day after. now the switch. it is interesting to hear the people who were running to safety, trying to run from these people who were going to do god knows what, people who were erects gallows for the sitting vice president because he certified the votes. i don't know what more -- i think the president is trying to move on and keep peace, there president, joe biden until january 20th. >> very difficult to manage

doing that but also keeping in mind an accurate depiction of history. ryan, speaking of that accurate depiction of history i want to talk to you about some of the hypocrisy we are seeing. in a moment where you have january 6th rioters who have come to the light and said you know what, i was dooped. i was there, this was a mess. you still have republicans and some lawmakers who are harolding them as heros and patriots, against their own narrative. these are folks who were there and convict asked tried. they said now, you know what, it was wrong and should not have happened. how do you square that? and there are other narratives as well. we saw some of the switch and change in positions of other lawmakers, including donald trump. how do republicans square that in a way that is reconcilable for anyone who is paying attention? >> reporter: so, charles, i will tell you, i am a

southerner. southerners know football is religion, right? i think you have a lot of these people who are actually looking at their politics like they look at their football team. does not matter if my team cheated this year, does not matter, as long as we get to the national champion football game, right? people have got to stop seeing something as vital as our government and the politics that operate within our government as something as silly as a team that you just can not turn your back on. there is no loyalty to a political party. the loyalty is to the country. on january 6th, 2021 we saw a terrorist attack on our country by our own fellow man. that should have been a deal breaker. that, in and of itself should have been a deal breaker to re- elect this man. we are in for a hell of the next four years and i really, really hope that people remember what happened that day. they saw it with their own

eyes, they have been gas lit since then by their party but they saw it with their own eyes. it will be important for the next four years that people go into it with their eyes open >> that is an incredible football analogy. i am going to use it in the future. keeping the narrative honest. talking about the preservation and the future of democracy, how much does this matter that the story does not become a change, myth and legend around patriots descending on to the capitol to protect our country >> this was a modern day civil war, okay. it was a day that went down in infamy according to many historians. you can not negate that in the history books. something this, of this magnitude, something where you had congressional leaders hiding and running from people who had masks. to find out where they were.

they wanted to keep the current president. you can not walk away from that. they wanted to keep the current president at the time. you can not walk away from that fact. can not whitewash it, smooth it over, can not close it, deny it, turn your head and look the other way. it is what it is. we are trying to downplay and whitewash and change narratives. what makes a country stronger and democracy stronger according to my history books is when people tell their truth and honest about what has happened in the democracy to make it stronger so you will not go back to that same situation that almost killed the democracy. >> ryan i want to play a new ad from the lincoln project from your chief of staff and get your thoughts on the other side. >> there are people suffered long, hard . >> i think it is unfair. >> don't let one man rewrite history, we know what we saw. we know what we heard.

there are no alternative facts. [ screaming ] >> only the truth. >> what is the intent here in releasing this ad after this year's observance of january 6th? >> reporter: not finished with this fight obviously. part of releasing it now is to remind people why we will not be finished with this fight. it should have been a deal breaker. this day as well have been a deal breaker. i was watching it. i was waiting for the republicans of the georgia senate race. i was waiting to see if warnock was going to the senator from georgia and if it was going to flip the senate. this started. and i remember even when i started my political career i started it in washington, d.c. i was just, you know, a person working on the hill. every morning i would get off of the metro right at the capitol station. i would get off and i would look up at that dome. i was -- i get chilled every morning because i had the honor

of working there. to watch people go through that building and to watch them defecate in the hallways and watch the confederate flag to fly in the hallways for the first time in history broke my heart. i think it is really important that americans remember what actually happened that day and what it symbolized. what that building symbolizes and what happened that day and what that symbolizes and war on that building and on everything it symbolized. we have, again, we re-elected this for some reason for the next four years. it will take all of americans working together to try to keep our democracy whole. we are in trouble with this leadership. >> april and ryan, stay right there. i have so much more to talk to you about. coming up, freedom of speech for me but not for thee. we will talk elon musk after a short break. stay tuned for more ayman a short break. stay tuned for more ayman

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. welcome back. you are watching ayman on msnbc. when billionaire elon musk punched twitter, now called x, he positioned himself as a free speech salutist. days ago he lashed out against media coverage after much- reported fire in a cybertruck

in front of a trump hotel. musk should consider taking legal action against media coverage exploding it. musk said maybe it is time to do so. sue them for what? reporting what happened? my panel is back with me now to discuss, ryan let's start with this ridiculous threat from musk to sue outlets that are covering the cybertruck explosion. it is not like the press said look this is the fault of a faulty vehicle or musk failed engineering. this happened. it was a fact. it is truth. what, what should we make of this sort of threat going forward? >> reporter: oligarch is going to oligarch. if you paid attention to what happened in russia under putin. this is what happens. they are going to push the buttons and the envelope as far as they can go and see what the american people will put up with. see how far the republicans are going to let it go and the

media. what he has seen in some places in the media people, you know, bent the knee to the new administration. what he will see if they will bend the knee to him, too. i strongly suggest the media does exactly what they are supposed to do. that is rule number one in dealing with tyrants you do not comply in advance and do not obey. fight him. again, there is nothing for him to be suing for. it is an event, it happened the fact that it was a tesla truck was not surprising, the fact that it blue up because of fireworks and explosives and terrorist attack it may have been, i was not surprised it was a cybertruck. i don't think it is something that anyone should worry about. this is what this administration does. they are going to threaten with legal actions and what they do there is going to try to bankrupt people who are coming out against them because they have all of the money in the world to take things to court

and the people they are trying to come up against do not. they know that. it is a bully method. it is a threat. >> april, you are one of the most seasoned journalists that i know. i will borrow a line, cars blow up every day, b, people may not understand the significance here. i want you from the perspective of being a journalist to lay it out. musk is the richest person in the world. this is a popular vehicle from a major car company that exploded outside trump hotel. this is news, is it not? and if so, are we processing that inappropriately? >> reporter: it is news. not only is it a car that exploded from major car company it was a car that exploded from a car company whose owner is very close to the president- elect. and the car happened to be in front of the hotel in las vegas

that had a trump sign across it. it was news. and, what the reasoning was for the explosion, you know, it is still talked about, one thing or the other but nonetheless the connection between elon musk and donald trump and then to see this, that was news worthy on new year's day. especially as you were hearing so many other things going on. that made news. it was, it was a fact. we are not in south africa where elon musk grew up in. we are in the united states of america where the first amendment is freedom of the press. so, actually write facts about what has happened and we did. and what is the grounds to sue on? charles, you are a lawyer what would be the grounds to sue on? >> listen, i am glad i am asking the questions here, i don't, i don't know, i can not find it. i have yet to figure that out in terms of what he would

really actually move forward with a suit. you are talking about reporters reporting facts. >> unless they said something crazy or editoralized. but there was an explosion that we did not manufacture, that actually happened in front of the trump hotel in las vegas. ryan is there any universe in which elon musk can try to maintain himself as a champion of salute free speech? we have seen what the h1b fight, with this tesla cybertruck blow up, a number of cases where elon musk has silenced or threatened to sigh thence those that critique him. if the narrative of him as someone who really supports salute free speech still a thing? >> no, it never was a thing.

elon musk bought twitter to ruin twitter. bought it to silence his enemies and elevate the crazy. no, never a thing for him. everyone needs to understand he operates on a different level. when you are the richest person in the world this is a game. our lives and where it is sour freedoms this is just a game for him. so, no, never a time that this, that coming he has said has been truthful. people need to realize that.. >> april i want you to bring us home here in terms of the real effect that it creates for the press. is there a concern for the reporters could be intimidating? you are talking about the president of the united states ask then on the other hand, also, the first bro who happens to be the richest man in the world. is there a concern it creates a degree or atmosphere of pressure where people are intimidated into not reporting the news the way they are

supposed to? >> reporter: honest truth from many reporters that i heard from, there is intimidation factor. my fear is that there could be reflecting. we are the first line of questioning for the president, the checks and balancing, we are supposed to ask the questions so the american public can find out what is true. and the question is, now, can reporters really do their job without fear or favor because of threats of lawsuits. because of the power, the power of elon musk and the president. you heard me say elon musk first, right? there is a concern. we have to see how this all plays out. charles, as i said before, i think many of the real and sincere journalists need to lawyer up. that is what i am doing.

>> i ain't got a call yet. i don't know who this lawyer is. >> thank you for being with us. stick around i want to ask you about the lawyer and other questions for you. i am going to get april's take how people are bracing for second trump administration, that and more on ayman, stay tuned n, that and more on ayman, stay tuned dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. i got this kitchenaid stand mixer for only $56. i got this bbq smoker for 26 bucks. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save.

i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! —uh. —here i'll take that. [cheering] ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar and a protein blend to feed muscles up to 7 hours. ♪♪ . you attack black journalists. why should black voters trust you after you used language like that? >> well, first of all i don't think i ever been asked a question in such a horrible manner. >> that was then candidate trump at the national association of black journalist convention last summer. it was pure unfiltered trump. the same name-calling evading of questions and hostility that we come to expect any time he has received a question that

challenges him or makes him uncomfortable. he sued a pollster for publishing a poll that showed harris was ahead of him in the state by three points. the president-elect would not let that go even though he eventually won iowa by 13 points. now, with the inauguration just around the corner journalists, especially those that have been marginalized will face a defendant challenge reporting on the news despite intimidation from the top. april ryan is back with me. so glad to have this conversation with you. you sit at the intersection of a number of different things. you are a woman, you are a black woman and you are a journalist. can you explain how in trump 2.0 those three things impact your limbs around story telling and around your safety as you are doing it? >> reporter: so, let's say this, first of all, politics is

still a white-male dominated space, okay. even though we had a black president, a black vice president, you know, hakeen jeffries over there on the hill as the minority leader. people like james clyburn but still a white dominated space. it puts me at a disadvantage. when you have a president who, who is focused in on the other and what the other has to say it puts you in a disadvantage to a certain extent. this moment black journalists, black female journalists or hispanic journalists, anyone that is not white male, i would say. you have to be strategic in your questions. it can not be personal, it has to be fact-based. if not, lawsuits, threats of jail even maybe. you really have to know what you are saying and know what

you are doing when you go into this administration. we have seen, we have seen this book before. i think it is it will be harsher. it is 2.0. i lived through 1.0 but 2.0 is harsh. this is now a president that feels that he can do what he wants to do and journalists are no big thing to him and right now the way i am standing they are still trying to figure out the dance with journalists in the briefing room with this white house. >> i am reminded of the spirit of wells, as you talk about the responsibility that journalists have in this space. particularly journalists who look like me and you who are going to be in spaces that are likely hostile to them but still have to tell the truth. over the summer you called out the decision to invite trump to that convention, you cited them having to protect themselves from the very man they had on

stage. how can organizations like them, unity organizations and others how can they work to defend and to empower journalists over the next four years? >> reporter: and the white house correspondence, that is the first group of the reporters the group for reporters in the white house. what you have to do, you have to advocate. if reporters are in trouble and it is fair, fact-based you have to stand with them. it is snot just that journalist, it is journalism at its core. if you go after one you go after all. if you do it to one, you do it to others. we will watch them fall down. there is where the organizations to include them i believe whole heartedly in the premise of the group have to stand for the black journalist in the room. we have seen this before. even at the conversation with

then candidate trump, one of the journalists, i will not say who, got a lot of hate mail, hate email. i will not go into what she received. it was a lot of hate. she was not used to that. i believe she had to get protection at one point. but, you know, it is a very hostile environment already. then you are going to add-on the president of the united states who could say something that could insight someone who does not understand the process. who does not understand democracy and understand journalism and journalists are just as patriotic as anyone else. part of the pillars of the country the first, not the second, not the third, the first. freedom of the press >> for those that do not know how serious of an issue this is, there was a white man in colorado who was charged with second degree assault bias

motivated crime for allegedly following a pacific islander journalists for 40 miles. choking him and saying it is trump's america now. when you hear stories about that going into this administration, what steps are you taking or other journalists taking to make sure if i am out on the road, if i am out in public or covering a story i am safe. my physical well being is being taken care of. >> reporter: i will not get into what i do or how i deal with it. what i will say is once the november 5th election did happen and the results came out for donald trump to be president of the united states, there was a massive number of people starting to show up at the white house at the gates. and especially that day when president-elect donald trump came back to the white house, massive number of people welcomed back this, that and

the other. people are coming up watching because many of the people that supported president trump are very much excited about him coming but they are not necessarily excited about the media. so, secret service is watching and we also have to watch as well. this is going to be a very different time to do our job. i am going to continue to do my job. look, charles, on january 13th, i am 28 years in on this. the longest serving black journalists in the white house. i did not leave the first time i am not leaving in 2.0. >> how black women will save the world. i know that is right. april ryan always a pressure. thank you for your time on this sunday >> thanks. next, chief justice roberts slippery slope argument is gaining attention but for all of the wrong reasons. we will find out why on the other side of the break. you are watching ayman. stay with us the break. you are watching ayman. stay with us

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. supreme court justice roberts warns of threat to judges nationwide, calls out disinformation and officials threatening to defy lawful court decisions. while roberts highlighted the threats, what he failed to do was to name one of their key sources. president-elect donald trump. for months we see trump name call and target judges and prosecutors overseeing his now mostly defunk criminal cases. that is inspiring his fans to turn on them as well. prosecutors and judges in trump- related cases facing an unprecedented wave of threats and violence. trump's rhetoric does not only pose a threat to judges but civil rights organizations, these are organizations that rely on the justice system to

present unbias and fair rulings. free of intimidation and of threats just as justice roberts has laid out. joining me now is the leader of one of those organizations. president and director council of the naacp legal defense fund. i get to take off my glasses it has been two hours i did not get a chance to do that. so glad to talk to another civil rights attorney, can you talk about in this moment how important it is to maintain an independent judiciary with everything else that is going on with government in america? >> if is of the greatest importance. i am so glad that we have an opportunity to talk about this. happy new year to you, charles. as we approach the second trump administration we are reminded of the key role that the federal judiciary played in the first administration where trump tried to enact new laws and push congress to adopt

legislation. he tried to legislate by through executive orders and most of the challenges to his actions that were excessive, that were overreach were, in fact, either overturned or somehow narrowed by the supreme court or lower federal courts. he only prevailed in about 22% of the nearly 250 challenges to some of his actions in his first term. that means that our courts, our state and federal courts, mostly federal in that incidence, played a significant role in restraining his overreach and his excess. sadly, between that time and now the american public has made very clear it has lost faith in our judicial system, nearly two thirds of the american public believe that the supreme court and our federal judiciary is not to be relied upon.

they don't have faith in the system. this is a call to action for chief justice roberts. making sure they are held to a high standard of integrity and we call out what he rightly described as a rise in violence against the judiciary that should not be counted in any democracy. but that we also look at the issues that are causing the american public to have doubt in the integrity and the impartiality and obgeektivity. >> objectivity of it. >> and i want to look at using the supreme court decision to outlawed race-based consideration in admissions for higher education. these are policies that allowed access to folks and literally with a stroke of a pen that could be changed. people can be shutout. what are organizations like yours doing to use the courts,

to use the judiciary within the next couple of years to try to make sure that access is maintained and those doors are kept open? >> reporter: we have not given up on the challenges to defend race conscious admissions, programs in areas of society where we know that there is historic discrim flation and ongoing decision that needs to be remedied, needs to be addressed. and the supreme court absolutely did a, what we think is a logical move in overturning precedent and suggesting you can not consider race as robustly as you once could have in higher education admissions. it also in recent cases concerning military admissions and other k-12 circumstances has not taken up those challenges. we hope that the court has reached a limit in how far it will go to overturn precedent

that helped make our multi- racial democracy as strong as it is today. and created a pipeline of leadership that has given the united states the strength that it enjoys. that is our diversity. so, we hope that this is a stopping point, we know the opponents to diversity, equity and inclusion will not stop. we hope the court will hold firm in upholding these lawful, race-conscious policies and programs that are necessary to ensure that everyone in our society has equal opportunity and access. >> not sure if we have the multii-racial democracy that we want, hopefully we all continue to build it. i have 30 seconds for you. what can you give as advise to common who wants to get involved in supporting organizations like ldf and others that are doing the work? >> reporter: first and foremost, pay attention and think about the issues of disinformation and misinformation that can lead people to believe that what is right is wrong, what is up is

down and things are not as they should be. we know what makes this country great. we know our diversity is our strength. we know that when everyone has an opportunity to achieve that is when we bring our best and brightest minds to solve the most difficult problems that our society and this world is facing. so i ask that everyone get engaged, please, come to the legal defense fund's website at ww.naacp.org and follow on our social channels and get engaged. it will take everyone. >> and that is what you get when two civil rights attorneys get a chance to have a conversation. >> thank you. >> thank you. after the break, u.s. virgin islands delegate has a voice and she knows how to use it. you will hear her important remarks after this it. you will hear her important remarks after this

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. i have a parliamentary inquiry. the names of americas, samoa, guam, puerto rico, the virgin island and the district of columbia were not called. representing collectively four million americans. [ applause ] mr. speaker, collectively, the largest percapita of veterans in this country. >> i asked why they were not

called. >> that was u.s. virgin island delegate stacy plaskett on the house floor. the america belong to the areas mentioned are not given the rights. these territories represent a space where millions are without real representation. the maga-right sit comp fortable in the uttering of everyone that does not look like or live like they do. this&it makes it okay to treat four million americans as less than four million americans by compromising them in congress and senate. no coincidence that the people who inhabit the territories are largely people of color. it is also no coincidence that most of the people booing plaskett were not interested in hear wag she had to say. without full access to

government, citizens living in u.s. territories can not access the same rights we claim american democracy offers to all. the maga-knots of patriotism here is noticed and ironic. it is noticed in that it reeks of colonialism and broken promises in puerto rico who have been annexed indefinitely. republicans celebrate the cry of no taxation without representation, which is the same principal that plaskett's question drives at. at best, plaskett is asking a nuisance question and at worst she is unamerican. by asking she dares on behalfing it on behalf of other. thank you for making time for us. i want to thank ayman for having me in the seat. that will do it. you can catch ayman back here

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