good to be with you. i'm katy tur. it is official, congress has certified donald trump's electoral victory, despite an intense security posture, the only real disruption today was the weather. as the biggest snowstorm in a decade is currently blanketing washington, d.c. it could not be more different than what we saw the last time

congress tried to do this, when a pro trump mob overtook capitol hill and broke into congress to stop the certification of president biden's election four years ago to this day. since then, donald trump and his allies tried and succeeded in diminishing the mayhem committed in his name. protesters pushing through the barriers, climbing through broken windows, beating or crushing or bear spraying capital police officers, chanting hang mike pence, alongside a home made noose. rummaging through lawmakers offices and their desks, as our elected officials were hiding or evacuating and huddling in the house gallery, wearing gas masks, and hoping the furniture piled up against the doors wouldn't give way. five people lost their lives on or because of that day, including two police officers who died by suicide. and yet those facts, bolstered by video of them happening in

realtime are lost on millions upon millions of americans. how, you ask, how? well, it was an unrelenting and arguably shameless public relations campaign. just watch. >> they were likely not all trump supporters and there are some reporters that antifa sympathizers may have been sprinkled throughout the crowd. >> if you didn't know the footage was a video from january 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. >> at 2:07, a mob of trump supporters breached the steps. i don't know who did a poll, but trump supporters. >> a small percentage were high school -- hooligans, but the overwhelming majority weren't. they were peaceful, orderly and meek. they were not insurrectionists, they were sight seers. >> "the new york times" explains all of that this way, they say what began as an strained

attempt to absolve responsibility for january 6th took hold as his allies in congress and the media played down the attack and a redirected democrat, and violent prosecutors, convicted and imprisoners became patriotic martyrs. now in just two weeks, donald trump will be sworn in once again, where he will once again be handed over an even greater platform to try to dictate what is real and what is not? joining us now, nbc knees senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, and vaughn hillyard who joins us near the president-elect's florida home. good to have you. i know you were there four years ago in those same halls, watching and experiencing what was unfolding around you. how surreal was it to be there today and to see this go off without a hitch and also seemingly without the memory, at least by some, of what happened four years ago. >> yeah, katy, every part of

this day was different. you could be forgiven once you were inside the building for thinking there had never been a day like january 6th, 2021. the ceremony was 40 minutes from gavel to gavel, instead of something like 14 hours, which is how long it was kept open four years ago. it was entirely peaceful. you had lawmakers from both parties laughing and joking, applauding when their candidate was announced to have won a state, arriving together in many cases, leaving together. the actual counting, mere formality. the biggest reminders of what happened here four years ago were on the way to the building where the 10 foot tall no scale fencing only constructed after january 6th, 2021, now rings this property. so many police officers from as far away as new york city. the echoes here will stay for a very long time, even though donald trump and his allies have tried very hard to diminish them time and time again, sort of as his power has grown, the memory,

at least among elected republicans of what really happened that day, seems to have shrank. among call top police officers, journalists, lawmakers, people remember what really happened here four years ago. >> garrett, anyone trying to object today to the certification? >> reporter: no, no objection of any kind. probably the biggest disruption was a bunch of loud texans cheering when their state's votes were counted for donald trump. >> reporter: what's the reaction from the trump team? >> for donald trump, his social media account is a representation of where the president-elect might set his ad, not just on the certification of his own victory today but it still goes back to four years ago, he posted a photo of the crowd that had assembled at the ellipse for his speech there in the hours before the capitol attack on january 6th, 2021, with no context to it. for him he called it a beautiful day. and i think that that moment in

history was really a line of demarcation in american politics in the 21st century, perhaps the moment in american politics in the 21st century. ever since january 6th, 2021, there was a clear line that was drown, and there were those that attempted to hold him accountable for his actions, whether it be liz cheney or democratic members of congress to the january 6th select committee or prosecutors that investigated him, and then there were those republicans, people like now speaker mike johnson who voted to object to the certification of joe biden's win on january 6th, 2021, people like j.d. vance, who ran in ohio primary in 2022 with donald trump's endorsement and just leading up to the 2024 election said that he would not have done what mike pence did four years ago, yet you saw those two men prominently featured on camera today as kamala harris certified the election results of donald trump and j.d. vance's victory here. and so for donald trump, he this

weekend had john eastman, jeffrey clark, rudy giuliani, peter navarro in attendance at a ballroom in mar-a-lago where they were watching a feature film focused on john eastman, one of the lawyers indicted in part of the fake elector scheme. for donald trump, today's certification was just as important as continuing to justify his actions from four years ago. >> so he had them over. what was the intention and what does that mean for when he gets sworn into office? should we expect to see more of these characters again, vaughn? >> i think it was a note to those who are loyal to donald trump that to the extent that you continue to be useful and stand by him to the end, that you will have a place at mar-a-lago in palm beach, and these are individuals who, right, jeffrey clark, individuals who could have testified against him, provided the grand jury, a grand jury information that could have been detrimental to him.

could have flipped, right, could have pled guilty down in fulton county. these individuals chose not to do that. where are they at this crucial moment in time, two weeks before he's inaugurated. they're at mar-a-lago. you see house republicans being invited to come next weekend to mar-a-lago. it's going to be incumbent upon donald trump to ensure a nonfractured republican majority in the house and senate in order to achieve his legislative agendas, and so in many ways, the aftermath of the january 6th attack, and for those ten house republicans that voted to impeach donald trump, eight of them no longer in the u.s. congress, i think was, if you take the attack piece out of this, it was a representation of the way donald trump could use his power over the congress, just down pennsylvania avenue from him, come the next four years. and i think it's a representation of the way in which he will utilize that power to have a stronghold on republican majorities that he needs to have in his corner.

>> yeah, he's shown them all that he doesn't go away, and that when he decides to say something and to continue saying it, that he can convince a whole lot of people that it's true, and they're the ones that find themselves on the losing side, if they decide to -- or they try to go against him. garrett haake, vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. joining us, democratic congressman representing colorado, jason crowe, a member of the house committee on intelligence and foreign affairs, also somebody that we remember very well in the aftermath and the moments of january 6th talking about both your experience and the way that you were table to calm down some of your fellow lawmakers as well. that's got to be a really surreal day for you, sir. can you explain? can you describe it for me? >> there's no doubt, there's a lot of emotion on capitol hill today. i think the people who are most emotional are those officers. i mean, there are hundreds of officers with the capitol police

force who survived that day, who were brutally beaten by that insurrectionist mob, several of whom lost their lives as a result of injuries or the trauma of that day, so i think a lot about their families. i think about the injuries they have, both seen and unseen. i think about the fact that there are many who lost their ability to work and are trying to support their families, and the verge of a broad pardon by president-elect trump of a lot of those members of that mob, i think it's important that we not forget what happened and we keep cause and we keep the faith with those officers. >> what happens if donald trump decides to do as he said he would do, which is pardon the january 6th rioters, even some of the ones that were violent towards police officers? are you worried about the safety of those police officers who stood in their way? >> well, of course i'm worried about the safety of those officers. i worry about the safety of those officers every day who often are on the front lines of making sure that we're protected

against violent extremism, threats against members of congress have quadrupled in the last couple of years, a time of great danger and instability for elected officials. listen, on january 20th, he will have the authority to do this, and i think what's really important in addition to the safety of our law enforcement is that america understand what's happening. and what is happening is he is flying in the face, spitting in the face, really, of police officers, of law enforcement, a rule of law of the constitution, and what happened that day is not only an affront to our law enforcement but is an affront to the american people and to the voters who cast their votes four years ago, and had those votes certified in donald trump and his supporters tried to overturn that election. >> you know, it's been a couple of months now since donald trump won the election, and it's been many years since january 6th, 2021. i wonder, given all that we've seen between then and now, the

way that january 6th was rewritten and the willingness of the american people to believe the rewriting of it or at least to not think that it was that big of a deal, and then to vote donald trump into office again, i wonder what take aways you have, what sort of soul searching you have done on the issue of why donald trump won again, and how the democratic party should respond. >> well, soul searching is the right phrase. there's no doubt, and i've thought long and hard about that. how do we reach the point where the man who inspired an insurrectionist mob, who dealt in the big lie, who tried to undermine the will of voters and who has consistently thwarted the constitution, won this election. and the point is he did win the election, so i think there's a couple of lessons to be drawn from that, number one, you have to never stop earning the support and communicating with the american people that this is not a history lesson, but this is present for a lot of folks, and we're going to make the case. we're going to continue to do our job. i have taken many oaths throughout my life.

i was an army ranger. i served in iraq and afghanistan. i took an oath to defend the constitution, when i was fighting for the country. i took an oath just the other day again for the fourth time, here in congress. that is my north star. i will never stop fighting for the constitution, the american people, my constituents, that is all i can do, and that is what i will do. >> what about some more specifics, do you think that the democratic party should go into a new direction, learn how to talk differently, to focus on different issues. i mean, is there something more that you can -- that you would be advising, at least internally as how to approach the next two years, with congress as divided as it has, but also the american public, sending a message with the democrats, they were willing to put donald trump back in office. >> let's not overexaggerate what happened first of all, donald trump won the fifth lowest popular vote of any election in

the last hundred years. this was not any type of landslide red wave by any stretch of the imagination, and on top of that, we have the electoral college, and on top of that, we have substantial gerrymandering, democrats would be in control of the house of representatives if it weren't for unbelievable gerrymandering and rewriting the district lines throughout this country. so that's an important part of this story. and have i think we can never forget that. that said, you know, i'm from the middle of the country, i was born and raised in the upper midwest. i represent a western state, and there's no doubt we have to do a better job of making the case of communicating with voters, and making sure that we address the concerns of working class america. these are folks that i grew up in. i grew up in a working class family, worked in construction to pay my way through college. i worked minimum wage jobs and fast food. i understand that too many americans are struggling and we're going to continue to focus on those issues, and continue to focus on the issues that many

americans want us to. >> it seems to me that you're saying not much needs to change? >> well, that's not what i just said. i said that we have to make sure that we don't exaggerate, that we don't over state the problem. we have to do soul searching and make sure we're making the case. this isn't binary, it's not an all or nothing proposition. we can make change. we can do the soul searching that we absolutely need to do. at the same time, not exaggerate or overstate the nature of the problem. >> congressman jason crow, thank you very much. i know it's a heavy day in congress, especially for folks like you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. and still ahead, what could happen if donald trump makes good on a promise to pardon hundreds of january 6th rioters. we're going to talk to a journalist who's gotten a unique lock at where some of the insurrectionists are now, and what they have in their heads going forward. plus, donald trump is set to face his own sentencing in a new york city courtroom, what last

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them the hostages. >> those rioters who assaulted officers, would you pardon those people? >> oh, absolutely, i would. >> i'm going to look at everything. >> everyone. >> individual cases. >> yeah. >> okay. >> but i'm going to be acting very quickly. >> within your first 100 days, first day? >> first day. >> donald trump's first day in office is exactly two weeks away, so will he actually do what he's been telling journalists he plans on doing, and if he does pardon the violent january 6th rioters, and you heard him say he would do that, what exactly is it going to cost him? joining us now, host of radio atlantic and cohost of the podcast, we live here now that explored the leaders of the justice for january 6th movement, hannah rosen. really good to have you. >> thank you. >> this is a big topic. who donald trump is going to pardon, how far he's going to go with it. he's said everything he plans on pardoning all of them. he's also said he's going to take it on a case by days basis.

we're not going to know until he does it. i guess, what is at stake here for him. i know there's different stakes. we'll get to those in a moment. what do you think is at stake for him politically if he decides to pardon the violent people? >> it's trickier than it seems. the first thing to note is a majority of americans have said they are against the pardons, and so it's not as easy as it looks. he has made some promises to what's now coalesced as the january 6th community. that is the family and friend of people who have either pled guilty or been charged with crimes related to january 6th. he's been cleared to them, but not all americans agree with him. so it's a little complicated what it means for him politically. >> some of these folks that he has talked about pardoning, the violent ones had violent records before what happened on january 6th. i mean, they're not exactly people who walked in there with clean hands. they also all went through trials and were either -- either

pleaded guilty or were convicted by a jury of their pierce. do you expect to see discomfort among republican lawmakers if he decides to go far with this, to let off the folks who got into it with police officers, maybe carrying handcuffs or spraying pepper spray, again, the violent ones. do you think republican lawmakers can say, maybe this is going a little too far. >> it depends how you define the violent ones. you just listed a whole bunch of things that are very different. the definition of assault, which a lot of people have been convicted of ranges from, you know, actively hitting a police office a flag pole and being caught on film doing that, pushing a barrier, you know, so it just depends. it depends what the video shows. it depends what you have actually done. note that the majority of people who have been both convicted and

who pled guilty have been charged with misdemeanors, so, you know, would you consider those violent? would you consider shoving a barrier against a police officer violent? you know, some are very clear, but the majority are not very clear. so i think there's a ot of ways that trump could spin this. people tend to believe him, and he could get up there. this person, you know, what was their weapon. they picked up a flag. is that a weapon? it sort of depends on how he spins this. there are some who are very clearly violent, and caught on film being violent. i doubt it would be very hard to get away with pardoning those people, but they're a minority of the people convicted. >> the "we live here now" podcast is fascinating, and you were able to go into the mind of some. of the january 6th rioter, and the family members associated with them, the way they have been holding vigils and the way their lives have changed. i wonder if you can bring us in the heads of even one person of

what it means for them now that donald trump won and what their lives might look like now. what sort of community member they might be? >> yeah, i think their expectation is that their lives will go back to normal, their family members will come home, and everything will go back to the way it was. i think the thing no one is talking about is a pardon doesn't say you weren't guilty. a pardon, the supreme court has ruled, is a kind of intimation of guilt. so i'm not sure how that that then continues forward in the rest of your life. are you still carried a felon, are you still considered a january 6thers is it hard for you to get a job, the way it has been for a lot of people who pled guilty. generally the way presidents have used pardons is an act of mercy, not as an idea that you didn't do what you were accused of doing, which is what president trump is intimating. i'm not sure how the rest of society will accept the january 6thers, even though their expectation is, look, this shows

that we are innocent. this shows we never did anything wrong. we were just participating in a day of love and peace, which is what trump calls it, we are not criminals. that's not actually what a pardon says about you. we'll see how it unfolds in their lives, compared to what they expect. >> what about the radicalization? >> you document the way people went into prison and the way they came out, and the way in which they were held together. usually when they go into prison, we've had this discussion, you're not amongst people you committed crimes with, you're separated out. with the january 6th rioters because they were in a d.c. prison, because their crimes were different or potentially dangerous, it was potentially dangerous to have them part of the general population, they were all packed in together, and in that group, they radical sized each other. how might that look on the outside, if donald trump chooses to part the ones that got harder in prison? >> yeah, i mean, the justice

department did many things right in investigation, it's the largest investigation in history, but putting them all together really gel'd them as a community. it created january 6thers as a community with unified interests, unified purpose, and they have been radicalized and have this energy against deep state. i'm not sure what happens to the energy if their pardon doesn't just fizz. do we continue to live with the january 6th, as a community that's legitimate, one of the things that's normalized under donald trump. >> i wonder how the fbi going forward might see these folks. the fbi, which worked hard to gather them up and prosecute them and investigate them, the fbi, how it might behave or what the goals might be under the donald trump administration, and potentially a kash patel at the head of it? >> there has been conspicuous

silence from the unions, the police unions and general, like the organizations that support law enforcement about these pardons. a lot of reporters have reached out to them, and they have declined to comment. i think it's really tricky because on the anniversary of january 6th, you will hear and are going to continue to hear from police officers who were badly injured, a few police officers took their own lives. police officers suffered, and their lives were destroyed and their families' lives were destroyed as a result of january 6th. i really do think there will be pushback if donald trump just ignores the fact that police were the victims in this case, as we can see on screen right now. >> yeah, lots of roads to follow in the coming months. hannah rosen, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up, we're headed back to the law of the jungle. what the head of the eurasia group is warning the world as we kick off 2025. first, donald trump may be days away from his second term but a judge in new york didn't done

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president-elect donald trump is set to be sentenced on friday. the hush money/election interference conviction. new york judge juan merchan denied trump's bid to dismiss the case. but made it clear jail time is not in the sentence. why is donald trump still trying to delay it. joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin. no jail time, the sentencings's going to happen. behind just go through with it and have it over with. >> that's a good question. you and i were discussing during the break, if the sentencing were to happen, donald trump would be free from one of his greatest impediments, this gag order, which he says prevents him from talking about the case, notwithstanding the fact that his characterization of the gag order is correct. it is correct if he were to proceed of the sentencing he would be free to say whatever he

wants to about this case and its various participants. >> so the legal team is trying to delay it. what's the likelihood of them delaying it? what method are they using to move this back? >> so they are appealing to go judge merchan's rulings to the appellate division. it's the first tier appeals court in new york. a total victory is not what they're aiming for, they're aiming for a temporary stay. you may be asking yourself, are they likely to get that. the appellate is the court that has given the temporary relief before, gave him the kind of relief from a gag order in another case that was the new york attorney general's civil fraud trial. there was a gag order in that case as you might remember and at one point, a single judge gave trump a 14-day reprieve from the gag order in that case. think about how that might translate to this case. if he gets a stay of the sentencing for 14 days, he effectively gets himself to a place where he's already president again, and then the sort of procedural immunity that kicks in when he's president

prevents him from having a sentence sglg sentencing. >> he can do it by zoom, right? >> he can do it by zoom, and the likelihood is he will do that if this sentencing happens. his lawyers are hell bent on making sure it doesn't happen. they don't want the history books to reflect the jury verdict is up held. >> civil fraud, you mentioned that case, does he have to pay that money now that he's going to be president again? >> that case is on appeal. there's belief that based on the oral argument the verdict will be reduced, however, he doesn't have immunity from that. it's a civil verdict. presidents are susceptible to civil liability. that kind of accountability is not the kind of accountability donald trump can escape just by being president. >> how do you go after that money when the person is sitting in the oval office? >> technically how do you go after it or otherwise? >> do i think donald trump will call in the national guard, for example, to prevent the seizure of his assets, i hope it doesn't come to that.

remember also there are bombs in place with respect to both of those civil verdicts that he is trying to appeal, one being that 80 plus million dollars verdict to e. jean carol, the other, the $450 million plus verdict to new york state. both of those are bonded. that means if and when those verdicts are upheld, donald trump or the bonding company will owe the money to the plaintiffs. >> interesting. we have never been faced with anything like this before, and it's unclear how this will play out in reality. lisa rubin thank you for staying on top of it for us. appreciate it. what new video reveals the new orleans attacker did in the months before new year's day, and also canadian prime minister justin trudeau resigned. what his exit means for canada's relationship with the united states. don't go anywhere. ip with the ud states don't go anywhere. tina feys i could be. so i hired body doubles. 30,000 followers tina in a boutique hotel. or 30,000 steps tina in a mountain cabin.

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the world is going through a lot of change, a lot of big change, and it's happening as we speak. just a couple of hours ago, canadian prime minister justin trudeau resigned after nine years leading the country and the liberal party. a few weeks before that, south korea's president was impeached and narrowly avoided arrest for insurrection. german chancellor olaf scholz lost a confidence vote in his parliament as the economy over there in germany is in near crisis, and french president emmanuel macron was forced to announce a new government after his cabinet collapsed in a fight

over the country's budget. on top of that, there are wars still in gaza and ukraine, a chinese government bent on expansion, both physical and influential, and a second round of donald trump. quote, a community of nations. is today the stuff of fairy tales? ian bremmer writes in his yearly top risks report, adding we are heading back to the law of the jungle, a world where the strongest do what they can, while the weakest are condemned to suffer what they must and the former, whether states companies or individuals can't be trusted to act in the interest of those they have power over. joining us now. president and founder of both the eurasia group and g zero media, ian bremmer. that's a lot, ian. law of the jungle. give us a little bit more on that. >> well, i'm glad you started with all of those leaders, while allies of the united states but incredibly weak, and we could

add, you know, the japanese to that list. we could add, you know, a bunch of other europeans facing antiincumbent threats to that list, so what's happened, i say the law of the jungle, those countries are playing defense, they're trying to stay out of the headlines. we saw what just happened with justin trudeau by making the trip down to mar-a-lago. it didn't go very well for him. while the united states, which is comparatively much more powerful, but is absolutely not interested in promoting global free trade or collective security or even promoting democracy around the world, it's much more interested in transactional relationships, one on one, where it, us, the united states is more powerful. so it's kind of a breakdown of the old global order and replacing it with something that is much more uncertain, volatile and dangerous. >> how do you do that when we live in a world that is so

intertwined? we're very tangled up in each other, especially economically. how do you turn instead to more insular nations with leaders who are less easy to work with who don't want to rely on other nations? >> well, one, is if you're a more powerful country you try to force those other countries to bend to your will and change the rules in your favor. hence incoming president-elect trump talking a lot about using tariffs to get not only trade balances in a direction that he prefers them but also get countries to pay more for national security, get countries to tighten their borders, all sorts of different things. if you're a very powerful country, it's a much easier place to be. having said that, you know, we all know that there are economic costs of those sorts of policies, the dollar is going to

be stronger, inflation is going to go up. you know, growth is going slow, and even a decoupling from china, everyone understands that china is a very big adversary, competitor of the u.s. it's not a trusted relationship. but that was a relationship that both biden and xi jinping tried over the last year to manage to create more stability, and china is in a very difficult position economically right now, but trump is coming in and saying, i'm going to hit you guys with 60% tariffs. well, unless the chinese cry uncle and offer a deal that trump is prepared to accept, the reality is we will be decoupling further our economies, and there will be a global cost to that. there will be a cost to american consumers for that as well. >> is there also a more potentially violent cost to that? i mean, china hacked into our systems. they have control or have the ability to get into our energy grid, and all of our other infrastructure here in this country. they have also been listening to

our phone lines. they're much deeper in than anyone thought they could get into our systems, and there's no real telling how to get them out. there's that, there's also just the influence game they're playing, the game they're playing with tiktok and the way it's completely consumed the attention of millions opinionup millions of millions americans, don't they have some arrows in their own arsenal? >> they do, and of course, the united states doesn't talk about its cyber surveillance and espionage in china, rest assured that the americans are trying to give as hard as they get. so i wouldn't presume thatst -- that that's only one way. now, look, the united states is incredibly powerful, militarily, it's the only military that has global reach. technologically, united states is dominating in the ai field, the chinese are dominating in

the transition energy, electric vehicles, critical minerals field, right, the interesting thing is not only is the chinese economy still smaller than the u.s., but it's not catching up, the last few years have not brought them materially closer, and that's a real challenge for them. it is one of the reasons why in the past few months, china's diplomacy has been noted by them reaching out to india and them pulling back troops from the contested border because they want to stabilize that relationship. reaching out to the japanese and say we'll let you export sea foam, even though before we were worried about radio active material from outside of fukushima. this is not the strongest time for them, and they want stability, in part because they understand the u.s./china relationship is likely to get much worse. trump is correct that whether you're looking at american allies or adversaries, this is a

time of comparative strength for the u.s. you mentioned at the outset how france and germany and canada and south korea were in trouble, iran is in trouble too. the big adversary of the u.s., i mean, they have just lost their empire in the middle east, basically blown up by the israelis with help from the u.s. the russians have taken some territory in ukraine, but their economy is in severe decline, and nato is expanding. right? >> it feels like there's so much instability, it makes you worry about the potential for real conflict on a broader scale around the world. i do want to focus in on iran, and i know it's hard to predict all of these things, but iran, we've talked about this, we have talked about how donald trump has opportunities in the middle east, and potentially opportunities with iran. in looking at who he's surrounding himself with, do you have a prediction or are you watching something for how he might deal with iran's current instability, what you mentioned about the government, the fact that they desperately need money

as well? >> trump's best relations in the world are with middle east leaders, the gulf states and israel. that was true, it was his first trip in 2017 when he became president. it's true today. the u.s. is in a stronger position today in the middle east, in part because of the abraham accords and in part, israel has escalation dominance over iran, over hamas, over hezbollah, over everyone who's an adversary in the region. now, there are those inside the incoming trump administration that believe that this is the time to hit iran hard, hit their nuclear capabilities. trump is not someone who wants a war, but certainly i expect a lot more economic pressure, more sanctions on iran from trump in the very near term, and then see how the iranians respond. this is going to get worse before it gets better. >> ian bremmer, thank you very much. i know we can talk about this for the entire hour and still not have scratched much of the surface. ian, thank you. we've got some breaking news for you out of new york.

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it is cold and it is wet out there. well, at least most out there. the polar vortex has descended over the 48, a massive storm barrelling upwards of 62 million americans from the ohio valley to the mid atlantic in snow. likely a foot in washington, d.c., 15 inches in missouri, and 18 inches in kansas. the most out there in a decade. joining us now, nbc news correspondent antonia hylton who is with us from philadelphia. as you see, it's also snowy out there as well. antonia, it's a big storm and very cold. what should we expect? >> reporter: well, the good news is the storm is actually right now on its way out. we've got a couple of inches here in philly, but by 12:00 a.m. or so, that system is going to be over the atlantic ocean, if you're in kansas or missouri or closer to the middle of the country, you are seeing

more than a foot of snow in parts of pennsylvania like seven springs, they have about 10 inches, and so it really varies, but even in areas like philly here, where there's maybe 3 or 4, the roads were incredibly dangerous earlier and so the philly schools have been out all day to keep kids and their families safe. and the roads aren't the only problem, in fact, the airport here in philadelphia had a ground stop for a while this afternoon, flights weren't able to take off. if you're in the dmv area in dallas or missouri, they're still having some trouble. in fact, we're at about 5,600 or so delays, and almost 2,000 cancellations and that number just keeps icking up right now. certainly, if you don't have to be outside, you might want to wait until tomorrow morning to run your errands or head out. the roads are still tricky, especially in some of the smaller towns or smaller counties, and the skies are going to be in a little bit of trouble until tomorrow, katy.

>> antonia, thank you very much. stay, if you can, stay warm out there. appreciate it. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. happy monday. on the fourth anniversary of the january 6th insurrection and the first time since that day that congress has been once again taskeded with certifying the results of a presidential election, we begin with this from january 6th rioter stephen ayers' own testimony before the january 6th select committee. >> well, basically, the president got everybody riled up, told everybody to head on down. so we basically, we are just following what he said. i was hanging on every word he was saying.