home state of new york that's the one place, state or federal, where he could not escape accountability and that the case is about his actions to cover up the salacious facts about him allegedly sleeping with and paying off a train 40 actors and a playboy model so he could become president in the first place after the leak of the access hollywood tape. now it's in the hands of the new york appellate court to decide whether accountability will finally be served and that is tonight's reid out. >> okay. i'm not going to lie. it's been a little bit of a day here in washington. we are in the middle of a huge snowstorm. schools are closed. the roads are pretty empty out there and yet lawmakers still

made their way to the capitol to peacefully certify donald trump's victory. today is also the anniversary of january 6th, when four years ago, the same man who was just elect the president sent a violent mob to the capitol. let's just acknowledge for a moment that it's all a lie. but with everyone back in congress we do have many amazing guests stopping by onset tonight to talk with us about all of it. congressman jamie raskin will be here. he of course served on the house select committee that investigated january 6th. al kaline nova now is a former sergeant in the capitol police who protected the capitol that day. he just wrote an amazing op-ed. he's going to join me here in studio, as well. senator randy kim will be here and of all the intelligible images from that day, the pictures of senator kim cleaning up in the capitol on january 7th, 2021. you see them right on your screen, certainly rank near the top for me and what i can remember from that period.

and also going to talk to senator raphael warnock as we continue to remember the life and legacy of president jimmy carter and they have a very special relationship we are going to talk about. but before all of that, i just want to start tonight on this date from four years ago. and this was the spot on the west front of the capitol. you can see it right there, where insurrectionist armed with guns, knives, bear spray, baseball bats, flagpoles and their barehands rushed the capitol, desperate to get inside and violently disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. in just two weeks from today, in that very same spot you can see on your screen, the man who sparked that riot, the man who sat in the comfort of his dining room, watching tv while this was happening, ignoring the pleas of the people begging him to do something, will take the oath of office again. it's mindbending. it's infuriating. it's completely perplexing. it's a lot of words i can't say on tv right now, so i won't. and there are definitely big

political questions about how we got here. i mean there are big questions about whether the horror of that day four years ago still resonates with the country. it really didn't resonate enough to prevent the man who lit the match from being reelected president of the united states. that's clear. and we've definitely spent a lot of time talking about the politics of january 6th, just like we talk about the politics of a lot of things on this show and will continue to do that. just for today, tonight, we're going to push that to the side as the politics simply do not matter as much as the history of the date, a day that we should never stop talking about, a day that we should never stop reminding each other about, and i think we should remind each other that when we were watching it unfold in real time four years ago, there was no doubt in anyone's mind about what we were witnessing. and that's not just me saying that. so many republicans at the time publicly condemned trump

following the attack. senator mitch mcconnell said he was, quote, practically and morally responsible for what has happened. kevin mccarty said it was un- american and that he could not be sadder and more disappointed with how our country looked. but ever since donald trump and his allies have tried to flip the memory of that day on its head, they tried to erase it, to change it. you might not remember this but trump's first rally of the 2024 campaign was held in waco, texas, the site of a deadly standoff between federal agents in a religious cult in 1993. that was not a coincidental choice. at the beginning of that very same rally, trump put his hand over his heart as a rendition of the national anthem sung by a choir of imprisoned rioters blared over the speakers. and that kicked off an effort to completely rewrite history that lasted the entire campaign. i mean trump referred to the insurrection insurrectionist as

political prisoners, as hostages, as patriots, of all things. he vowed to pardon them if and when he returned to office and we were all left to wonder which people he meant exactly, when he said that, which he said repeatedly. i mean, did he mean david dempsey, who prosecutors called political violence personified, who attacked officers with flagpoles, crutches, pepper spray, broken furniture, and his own hands and feet? did he mean daniel ball, who hurled an expensive device into a tunnel packed with police officers trying to fend off the mob? or did he mean thomas webster, a retired police officer himself, who tackled a member of the capitol police, attacked him with a flagpole, and tried to remove his helmet and gas mask? or maybe he meant daniel rodriguez, who drove a stun gun into the neck of officer michael for known? donald trump said those people are political prisoners and hostages, and patriots, and when he returns to office in two weeks, he may well part in each and every one of them.

and that's just the tip of the whitewashing spear. trump is also stacking his cabinet with election deniers. one of the architects of the plot to steal the election was just reelected speaker of the house. some lawmakers are bringing insurrectionist size their guests to the inauguration and it's hard to imagine any of that would be happening without trump, the leader of the republican party, the incoming comedy president-elect, embracing the role of the people who attacked the capitol four years ago. now with all of that, i just outlined, there is a natural inclination to feel paced off and frustrated that the system failed in some way and i've done my own reflection of that over the last few years. believe me, i get it. i look back at the months after dinner sixth as president biden was preparing to take office and we were all working to get judge merrick garland confirmed as attorney general. this is a man who has an unassailable resume and views the job as it should be viewed -- through the prism of the law and history. but i do wonder if at that

moment in history he was the right choice for the job. yes, the justice department has charged about 1500 people for their role that they. what of the guy who sparked it all, the guy walking around free, hosting events for election deniers at mar-a-lago in the weeks before his inauguration? would a different attorney general have acted sooner? would that have made any difference? we'll never really know but i do wonder. i also look back at the strategy of not speaking out about trump's impeachment from the white house podium, not speaking up about the impact his rhetoric had on the rise of political violence, and the wonder if that was the right strategy at that moment in history. yes it was done with the absolutely right intentions, to attempt to bring the country together, to move forward and to try to work together even with people who disagree to get things done. but i wonder if it also gave space for people to forget, to

get two the impact of one man's power and what could happen if he was given it back. those are my own personal reflections. look, we can't predict the future just like none of us can change the past. we do know history has a tendency to repeat, which is why we have to keep the memory of the worst days alive, why we need to reflect and to question the choices that we all made along the way. it's why we need to change our approach when warranted, why we need to keep defending the things that matter, even when the politics might be murky. because it isn't always about politics. it's not. sometimes it's just about what's right. today the sitting vice president of the united states certified the election of the man who defeated her, the man she repeatedly called, accurately, a threat to democracy. >> the votes for president of the united states are as follows -- donald j trump of the state of florida has received 312 votes. kamala d harris -- kamala d

harris of the state of california has received 276 votes. >> that must have felt, i mean, horrible, that the peaceful transfer of power, even after a hard-fought campaign, is part of what you say democracy functioning. it's also what's right. and while we should never forget what happened four years ago, and we're going to talk about it tonight a lot, we can all do our part to try and make sure it never happened again. joining me now is congressman jamie raskin. he led the second impeachment trial of donald trump concert on the january 6th house select

committee and he has continued to keep the memory of january 6th alive, raising all of the important questions. it's great to see you. there is no when i wanted to talk to more than you today. you are always so thoughtful and reflective in moments when people need to hear it. i've outlined why i think it's important to remember the events of that day and what is important to remember about it as you've reflected on it, what do you hope people remember? >> i hope people remember the valor and the bravery of our officers like sergeant cannell, who interviewed with you, and harry done and hundreds of officers who put themselves in between the capitol, the congress, the vice president and a rampaging mob of thousands who have been sent by donald trump to try to overturn a presidential election. and his people were really on the front lines. and as long as we remember them and their sacrifice, and their injuries, and the fact that their lives and their families have been turned upside down, we won't forget that this is a

real event. we are not going to be able to be shrouded in all kinds of right-wing conspiracy theory but what i was sitting there today, jen, i think a lot about the electoral college. this is an 18th-century institution that's very creaky. it's given us five popular vote losers in our history, twice in the century, george w. bush and donald trump and that fundamentally altered the trajectory of our politics. it marginalizes the vast majority of the american people. it's very weird. we've gotten conditioned to it but strange to have a presidential election that comes down immediately to six or seven states and everybody else is just watching what happens in pennsylvania and georgia and arizona. why don't we have an election for president like an election for representative, or senator, or mayor, or governor? whoever gets the most votes, wins, and you don't have to have a vice president who is in the race, whether that's kamala harris or member al gore was in the same situation, or a very similar situation, counting the electoral college votes, and

people don't even understand it anymore. like our republican colleagues today, they were cheering and stomping their feet, and acting like it was the republican national convention. our job there was just to be counting the votes that people don't fundamentally understand it and it's time for a refresh. i think this is a good opportunity to do it. donald trump is very proud of the fact that he won the popular vote by 3 million votes, the way that joe biden was proud of the fact that he won by 7 million votes four years ago. okay, why don't we all agree just to have a popular vote for election and move away from a dangerous and manipulable electoral college system. >> hopefully it's not always able to be manipulated but i think a lot of people share your view on the electoral college versus the popular votes. let me ask you about a clip. i just played the clip of the vice president, you referenced

it, certifying the election. something others have done in history. usually just normal par for the course but it feels a little hard to watch a bit in this moment given the role trump played four years ago. what was going through your head? >> it's a bitter pill to swallow. we were there on the floor, the democrats, acting as constitutional patriots. we are demonstrating our fidelity to the constitutional process as it's written and we did the right thing in that sense. but it was a very bitter pill to swallow given that four years ago, when they faced electoral defeat, 306 to 232 in the electoral college, by more than 7 million votes in the popular vote, the republicans under donald trump mobilized a violent insurrection to try to effectuate a back room political coup against the vice president. they were trying to enforce mike pence to unilaterally declare that the electoral college votes coming from michigan and wisconsin and georgia and arizona would be voided out and either trump would just be declared the president or they would kick the whole thing into the house of representatives for a so-

called contingent election under the 12th amendment, where they knew we would be voting not on the basis of one member, one vote, how we usually vote, but rather one state, one vote. this is all part of the arcane, intricate architecture of the electoral college that most people haven't studied and most people think that you go and just vote and whoever gets the most votes, wins. and that's not what's taking place under this electoral college. so there are a lot of weaknesses and perils in this process and i would think now that we've had two popular vote winners, one from each party, to back, we could all agree now is the time to move forward and to pick the president the way that we pick everybody else on the basis of whoever gets the most votes. >> sounds are irrational, doesn't it? a good discussion to be had. let me ask you, to the point of talking a little about rewriting history and the importance of fighting back

against that, and today the lawyer for enrica tarrio, who is serving 22 years, filed an official request for a pardon. do you think trump will pardon him? >> look, the pardon has been used for three kinds of cases, as far as i can tell from reading the decisions on it. one is if a person is actually innocent and new information turns up. two is if there was some kind of profound procedural miscarriage of justice. three is if the person was guilty but they are reformed and rehabilitated. i don't get anybody saying that the people we see on all these video clips were actually innocent and nobody has identified any procedural miscarriage of justice. so i think donald trump is basically saying when he wants to pardon all of these people that they are reformed and they are rehabilitated and they do not constitute a danger to the public safety today. is that true or is that not true? we should go through each one of these cases. that's why there's a pardon attorney at the department of justice. but if donald trump doesn't

want to wait for the pardon attorney, the department of justice to actually go through the cases and make a recommendation, he is placing his personal seal of approval, vouching for each of these people as he pardons them, which means he essentially becomes responsible for whatever happens with them and have they been reformed? have they been rehabilitated? donald trump should tell america why he thinks that someone who smashes a police officer over the head with a stick or a baseball bat or confederate battle flag actually belongs on the streets. are they no longer a danger to police officers? are they no longer a danger to federal, state, or local governments or law enforcement officials? who knows but that's why this is a radically unprecedented and novel situation we are in. he's pardoning people that he sent to the capitol, to go and fight and fight like gay six or he wouldn't have a country anymore. and i understand politically the logic of what he was doing but legally and morally i don't

understand the logic of it unless he's willing to vouch for each of these people. >> i suspect he's not going to be but this is going to be an interesting thing to watch and pardon power is such an important topic. we have to sneak in a very quick break. congressman raskin is sticking around. when we come back, former capitol police sergeant ackley know cannell is going to join us at the table. the congressman just mentioned him. we are back in 60 seconds.

>> even though there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, including hours and hours of videos and photographic coverage, there is a continuous shocking attempt to ignore or try to destroy the truth of what truly happened that day. on january 6th, for the first time, i was more afraid to work at the capitol in my entire deployment to iraq. what we were suggested that day

was like something from a medieval battle. we fought hand to hand, inch by inch, to prevent an invasion of the capitol by a violent mob intent on subverting our democratic process. >> that was former capitol police sergeant ackley know cannell testifying to the generous sixth committee about six months after the attack on the capitol. now, four years after the insurrection, he remains committed to speaking out. in a new incredibly powerful piece for the new york times he writes, quote, i remain haunted by that day. now mr. trump's promised actions to erase the justice we've risked everything for. joining me now is sergeant ackley know cannell and congressman jamie raskin is still with us. i open the show by talking a bit about how today feels like a bit of a moment for reflection and talking about what really happened that day, and reminding people of the

history. with people reflecting on that, as you are reflecting on that, what do you hope people remember and understand about that day? >> i just hope the american people remember that what had transpired on january 6th was not a day full of love because if that was a day full of love they almost loved me to death. i was attacked inside the tunnel. i was attacked outside the tunnel when we were trying to hold the police line and for me, four years later, working up here, it reminds me of january 6th in the aftermath when we had fences up coming here, a fortified capitol where nowhere in our history had that happened before. and it was challenging that date and it's challenging today, especially knowing that donald trump was a part of the violent criminals that assaulted us on january 6th. >> in your op-ed we were just talking about this. you talk about kind of the fear

of some of these individuals being pardoned. we were just talking about this with the congressman, trump could pardon some of the more violent insurrection is to participated in the events that day. is that something you fear personally for? >> i fear it's going to normalize that type of behavior because what they try and say is it's okay to attack our political system, it's okay to try to overthrow our government after the will of the people has been manifested. and not so much about self fear because what are they going to do to me or my family? we just did -- i did my job. i fulfilled my oath and if they have an issue with me doing my job than they do not stand with the constitution. they do not stand for democracy like they prophesied they do every single time they get on tv. >> i feel political violence has been normalized, not that it is in the process of being.

i don't know if you both feel that way. congressman, do you fear -- feel fearful? i don't know for yourself and your colleagues with the potential for these insurrectionist to be pardoned and now freed? >> political violence has been normalized as a way of doing maga business. we talk about henry sixth. we don't talk so much about june 1st, 2020, but that was the day when donald trump and attorney general william barr assembled a paramilitary police makeshift unit under the direct control of the president and attorney general and then they unleashed violence on peaceful black lives matter protester's in lafayette square, so trump could make his trek over to saint stephen's episcopal church where he lifted somebody else's bible over his head, upside down, and made whatever

statements he wanted to make, violating the separation of church and state. but they showed they were willing to mobilize government violence against peaceful protesters on henry sixth. they showed they were willing to mobilize proud boys and oath keepers and right-wing white nationalist paramilitary violence against the government, whatever they needed, to get in power and to assault their opponent. that is a rule or ruin philosophy, either we are going to rule everybody and everything, we're going to ruin and tear down the possibility of government taking place for others. so that is the dangerous philosophy and we have to demand that the republicans renounce that philosophy. they have got to embrace constitutional government, which means sometimes you win and sometimes you lose but it can't be heads we win and when we win an election you respect that but tails you lose or tails we lose, that is, if they lose an election then they are going to try to tear down the whole system of government and that's where we are now.

that was explaining a lot of the frustration of democrats today. would they be absolutely accepting a peaceful transfer of power that they lost? >> i think that's a very open, scary question. let me ask you one of the things that is, i would say, a positive about an anniversary like today, of which there are not many, is that we can highlight the bravery of people like yourself and others who were in the capitol police and some of you are still today. there was part of the legislation that was passed is both money for families who lost loved ones and also for mental health services. are you and others getting the support and funding that you need and i think you deserve? >> some of the problems we have, we see, the one of our legislation that was passed in the aftermath of january 6th was the department of justice. they have a program called

public safety officer benefit program. that to my knowledge only officers who die by suicide, families have been awarded that benefit. however, that law was updated to include physical and mental health injuries to this day, the department of justice has not approved any single living officer's claim, which i think is ridiculous because many of the officers who are working in the capitol, they are still traumatized. many of the same ones that were attacked on january 6th are going to be protecting donald trump in a couple of weeks. the irony of that, that he had not even acknowledged or apologized to that says a lot. but the benefit his self, no single officer, living officer had been awarded that and that person running the program is a political appointee left over, i think obviously he doesn't believe in generally sixth, but nothing happened on henry sixth and to me it's an outrage that

it had not happened. >> outrageous. i think everybody should dig into that more. we will certainly do our best to do that. thank you both so much. thank you for being here. thank you for everything you did on january 6th and before that, as well. thank you as always for shedding light and helping us understand moments in history. coming up, you may remember this image from four years ago. i certainly do. which is then congressman andy can cleaning up the capitol wednesday after the insurrection and it certainly stuck with me. andy kemp is now united states senator. he's standing by here in the studio and he joins us next. us.

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lots of people first learned the name andy kim on general seventh, 2021, when an image of the congressman kneeling the capitol rotunda, you can see if they're on your screen, picking up debris after the january 6th attack went viral. to so many of us that image felt kind of extraordinary. it is a moment of quiet dignity after one of the darkest days in the history of our country. but for andy kim, it just felt like the right thing to do. >> i didn't want the next morning on a broken congress and a capitol that was left in that type of condition. after i finished i went to some of the other rooms, walked all over the capitol and tried to do as much as i could to get

that building into the place that it deserves to be. >> and andy kim has since become a u.s. senator from new jersey, and he joins me now. it's great to see you. i can call you senator now. the last time i saw you i called you senator elect, i guess. >> i'll take the shorter title. >> i love those photos of you cleaning up. i know you walked around the capitol this morning, took photos from that. how have you been reflecting on the anniversary four years later? it's with a profound feeling going around the capitol today and just trying to reflect on what happened four years ago. if you don't mind i'll tell you just one thing that was particular, just walking around and i came across a huddle of capitol police officers. >> this morning? >> this morning. and they were each reflecting, telling their own story about where they were and one talking

about how they were outside, fighting to keep the mob there. others were inside. it's one of the things where surely we as a country, regardless of your political affiliations, we ought to at least agree that we should not be defiling and disgracing such a beautiful, sacred building. you know, just an understanding that i saw four years ago with my own eyes americans fighting other americans inside the united states capitol. like i will never unseat that and it's just something where surely despite our political differences we can agree upon that in the same way that we hold our hand over our hearts when we do the pledge of allegiance and the national anthem. like it should just be a part of what it means to be american. >> one of the other images that was striking today, and i talked about it a little bit on the show today, was the vice president certifying the outcome of her own defeat, essentially, which is something that has happened in history, in the past. al gore did that. nixon did that. but what was that like to watch? >> i was saying this earlier where i think in some ways today really showed that january 6th should be an

unremarkable day to americans. it was just a pro forma -- it took 30 minutes for us to go through this business today and i hope that americans can see that's should be how it is forever, as long as our democracy is here, january 6th should just be that type of process. well as you point out, there was something different about this, as well, and that was seen vice president kamala harris overseeing this, and i think what i took away from this is the recognition that it is representative of the peaceful transfer of power, which we failed as a nation to accomplish four years ago. and i say that as someone who has worked in diplomacy and national security. i've been in failed countries around the world where they don't have that capacity. so yeah, i want january 6th to be unremarkable but in some ways it's because we take our democracy for granted.

we think that the peaceful transfer of power is unremarkable because we just assume that we can do it. but after four years ago, something was different this time around for me to be in a chamber, to see the vice president take on this role with such dignity and recognize that we all want jobs whose job descriptions are in the constitution of the united states. that should be a deeply humbling experience. >> no doubt about it. there have now been committee assignments in the senate. urine a lot of committees. people look up, urine a lot of committees. one of them is only in scaredy, which is unsurprising. you are national security nerd, walk, i mean that in the most complementary of ways. you are going to be serving on the committee at a time that's a little scary in this country. we just had the attack in new orleans. homegrown extremism seems to be a part of the motivation of the attacker. you come from a background of national security, of understanding these issues. what do you see your role as on the committee and what questions do you want to ask when you start to have

committee meetings and start to take on a role there? >> i'll be honest with you. i never thought that i'd be in politics, get involved in government, but i was a sophomore in college when september 11th happened so my entire path had led me to this moment, came out of a terrorist attack, came out of a desire to be able to keep my country safe. and a lot of that i did abroad in afghanistan and elsewhere, but i take it very seriously. and what i hope i can do, what i'd like to try to do is restore this sense that when it comes to securing our country, having worked, both of us, in the situation room, i often say the last-place partisan politics belongs is the situation room. we need to get back to the place where national security is not about partisanship, where we recognize, yes, i want to keep our country safe. i've got a seven-year-old and a nine-year-old, two little boys, and i'm worried about what kind of america, what kind of world there growing up in. very turbulent. very. we just had a young man from new jersey killed in new orleans, billy demeo, and i feel for his family and just

that fear like why would you have to fear about your kids life when they are celebrating new year's? yes i hope that i can play a role in trying to restore that sense that this is something we should be able to come together on in that kind of capacity but unfortunately the degradation, the weaponization, the politicization of our national security. i think if that continues, we are in a very dangerous issue. >> we'll see if governor christie known gets confirmed, how that all goes. we'll talk about that more the next time you come back. senator andy kim, thank you so much for joining me. coming up, kamala harris isn't the first sitting vice president, we were just talking about, to certify their own defeat but as senator kim just said, this one just feels different. more on that when we come back. y to fight them may occur.

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but despite whatever personal ambitions they had, four times now, those vice presidents all managed to stand behind the principles of american democracy and abide by the constitution after losing by a margin of only 537 votes in a single state, under a highly contested circumstances. al gore had to preside over the joint session that affirmed george w. bush's victory in 2000. and in doing so, he repeatedly had to gavel down objections from members of his own party who tried in vain to stop them. richard nixon was never known for extending much benefit of the doubt to his political adversaries. we all know that. but after losing a hard-fought race to john f. kennedy in 1960, he, too, was able to swallow his pride and certify the results with the kind of grace and humility that's largely rare in american politics today. even when the country was literally on the brink of civil war in 1861, the certification still went off without a hitch. vice president john breckenridge would go on to join the confederacy just months after losing the

presidency. and yet, even he still fulfilled his constitutional duty, counting the votes and declaring that his opponent, abraham lincoln, had been elected. each of them did the honorable thing, undoubtedly under difficult circumstances, but they put the good of the country above their personal feeling and that's something that donald trump did not do four years ago today. coming up, visitors are lining up to pay their final respects as president jimmy carter lysing repose inside his presidential library, ahead of his state funeral in washington. georgia senator raphael warnock is standing by to share his reflection on president carter's legacy when he joins us next. i really should be retired by now. wish i'd invested when i had the chance... to the moon! unbelievable.

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>> i promised you four years ago that i would never lie to you, so i can't stand here tonight and say it doesn't hurt. there's an old yiddish proverb that i've often thought of in

the days and months that i've held this office. it says, simply, god gives burdens, also shoulders, and all the days and months when i have served you and served this country, you've readily given me your shoulders, your faith, and your prayers. no man could ask anymore of his friends. >> that was a young president jimmy carter, showing what it means to be gracious in defeat as he delivered his concession speech in 1980. and on this particular day, that feels especially relevant. in fact, so much of his legacy is a reminder of what grace and dignity in our politics can and should look like. that sentiment is no doubt on the minds of the tens of thousands of people who already streamed into pay their respect

as he lysing repose at the carter center in georgia. tomorrow his casket will be flown to washington, where he will lie in state at the u.s. capitol before the national funeral service on thursday. joining me now is democratic senator raphael warnock of georgia, who shared a close personal relationship with former president carter. it's great to see you and i was reflecting today just on my visit -- i came down to georgia, spent a day with you about a year ago. we went to a farm. we wet met with religious leaders. >> we went on a bike ride. >> i'm a terrible biker. that is one of the things that i learned about you that i didn't know well, was your close relationship with the former president and how much he impacted you. a lot of this, with all of us thinking about him, he's about to be in washington. his body will be in washington tomorrow. what do you hope people remember about his legacy? >> thank you so much. great to be here. what a next ordinary human being. i mean he occupied the oval office but let's just stop there. jimmy carter was an extraordinary human being and a humanitarian. he was a patriot in the best sense of the word and someone who demonstrates, i think, as

good as anyone i can think of in modern times, what it means to make your faith come alive in public service. and he did that while in office, and he did it when he left office because he understood that leadership is not about an office, it's about an orientation. and he never lost that commitment. he kept finding ways to get in what another big georgia congressman john lewis called good trouble, all over the world. >> making faith come alive in your service is something i think not everybody is comfortable with. i know you struggled with that or had to figure out how to do that as you ran for office. did he give you any advice? he was a deeply religious man, you are a deeply religious man. as you were thinking about how to navigate that yourself. >> i think it's an important question, particularly in this moment where even as a christian pastor, sadly, i have to admit that too often the voice of faith in america today, the loudest voices are mean-spirited voices, they are

dissonant voices, often harboring, it seems to me, a politics of resentment against the very people for whom jesus said i came to preach good news -- the port. jesus centered the poor. soda jimmy carter. the world's most famous sunday school teacher because he actually read the scripture. he was a matthew 25 person, as am i, and he demonstrates that you can be clear about your own particular faith identity without being oppressive towards folks who have other faith traditions or who come from no particular faith tradition at all. that is a covenant we have with one another as american people and jimmy carter embodied it so very well, and he was a great missionary, you know, for the best of the american spirit, as he fought for democracies all across the world, worked to eradicate diseases. almost single-handedly got rid of the guinea worm and really changed the lives of people all over the world. so we are saying farewell but in a real sense he is for the

ages and his legacy shall never die. >> one of the pictures we showed is carter sitting in a pew while you are preaching. you don't strike me as a guy who gets nervous much did you get nervous when the former president and his wife were sitting in the pew? >> well i had gotten to know him a little bit prior to that, and we talked a little bit before the service. in some ways it was comforting to have a man there who so clearly embodied the work. you know, in some ways having jimmy carter as a teammate makes it easier because people would rather see a sermon than hear one, and i don't remember what i talked about that morning but he demonstrated the truth of our gospel. centering love, justice, and peace. >> i played, right before we started talking, his concession speech. it's a much younger jimmy carter, to be fair. we played earlier the sitting vice president confirming, certifying the outcome of the

election. there's a lot of grace that's shown in those moments. it's also hard for people to watch. as you are talking, who voted a different way, i should say, as you are talking to members of your congregation about this moment we are in, what we're about to see, what do you tell them about how they end up with their own moral beliefs but still find grace in this moment? >> well we have to. that's the covenant we have with one another as american people. look, four years ago i was sitting at home in atlanta. i had just won my election and that celebration was short- lived because we saw a violent assault on the capitol, unlike anything we've seen since the war of 1812. that assault on our democracy has metastasized, it seems to me, in voter suppression bills all across our country. so as i think about jimmy carter, fighting within the democratic traditions of our

own country, but then trying to help other struggling democracies all over the world, because he understood and believed, as i do, that in a real sense democracy is the political enactment of a spiritual idea. it is this notion that each of us has within ourselves a spark of the divine, and so we ought to have a voice in the direction of the country and our destiny within it, and he took that message all over the world, trying to help folks who are trying to stand up democracies because he believes in human dignity. so it's important that in this moment, on this dreadful anniversary, that in every other case except four years ago we witnessed, in many ways, the most uneventful, not just nonviolent -- >> boring almost. >> it was boring today as it ought to be, and god help us to get back to that spirit.

>> senator warnock, i feel like you embody so much of the embracing your faith, helping people understand that they can do that, and still have political values. always a pleasure talking to you. thank you for speaking with us about president jimmy carter and your special relationship. we are going to be right back. . go-friends, gather! keke! chris! jason! boop! friends. let's go, let's go, friends! hold onto your dice. woohoo!! -nice frosting, pratt. -thank you! how we doin', keke? tastes like money to me. i can't go back to jail! wait, did you rob my bank? -hehe. -are we winning!? -ha ha ha! -oh boy! yeah! money, power, friendship. let's go!

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i do believe very strongly that america's democracy is only as strong as our willingness to fight for it. every single person. to fight for and respect the importance of our democracy. otherwise, it is very fragile, and it will not be able to withstand moments of crisis. and today, america's democracy stood. >> america's democracy is only as strong as our willingness to fight for it. amen to that. t rachel