i do believe very strongly that america's democracy is only as strong as our willingness to fight for it. every single person. to fight for and respect the importance of our democracy. otherwise, it is very fragile, and it will not be able to withstand moments of crisis. and today, america's democracy stood. >> america's democracy is only as strong as our willingness to fight for it. amen to that. t rachel maddow show starts

right now. happy new year. >> happy new year to you as well. thank you so much. today america's democracy stood. when she got to that moment in her remarks, i felt both moved and also a little shaky about the assertion, given where we have been. but i'm really glad you played that. >> the both is how we're all feeling. you're stating what we're all feeling, as per usual. >> yes, exactly. well, yeah. emotional and shaky. that's pretty much my tattoo at this point. thank you, jen. much appreciated. >> thank you. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. i'm happy to have you here. glad you're with us. so, gary hard marks was his name. he was a very famous sculptor considered to be one of the greatest european sculptors of the whole 20th century. he was german, though, and during the third reich, when he was making his art, the german government, the nazis, they decided his art was degenerate.

he wasn't jewish, but he was fired from his teaching job in germany after he tried to protect his jewish students from the nazis, after he protested against jewish faculty members being removed from their posts at the school where they taught. so, he lost his job as well. the nazis didn't just fire him from teaching. they banned him from showing his work. they banned him from selling his work. they actually confiscated some of his sculptures and melted them down. they said they needed the metal to make weapons for the german army. so, it was a little bit of a miracle that gerhardt marx survived world war ii in germany, but he did. it's even more of a miracle that some of his sculptures survived world war ii in germany, but they did. not long after the end of world war ii in 1949, one of his surviving sculptures actually came to the united states. there was a big important

international sculpture show in philadelphia in 1949, and gerhardt marx brought this statue to that show. it is 7 feet tall. it's called "maja," m-a-j-a, and it's a -- it's considered to be a monumental work but also representative of his style. it's the kind of expressivist thing that the nazis hated about gerhardt marx and his art. philadelphia loved it. the art association that put on the sculpture show, they bought the sculpture from him. and for years it had pride of place. it overlooked the big terrace at the philadelphia museum of art. a few years ago, they moved maja to a new and probably permanent home. she's still in philly, but the art association put her through a full conservation and renovation process. and they built a park for her. it opened in 2021, and it's

called maja park. and she is the center piece of this public space in philly. it's right there in the benjamin franklin parkway. it's, kind of, a lovely spot. just before the election this year, somebody unexpectedly and without a permit -- definitely without permission -- put up a new sculpture right near maja in that same park. it was near to the gerhardt marx sculpture -- it was behind her, in fact. the way it was set up, it was, kind of, leering at her. and as you can see here, it is a donald trump statue. somebody put up this donald trump statue in maja park in philly just before the election. and it is a statue of trump, but it is -- it is not like a statue honoring trump, at least not except in a very backhanded way. there's a plaque at the base of the trump statue that has a

bas-relief. it says in all caps, in honor of a lifetime of sexual assaults. quote, i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. just kiss. i don't even wait. and when you're a star. they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them my the hmm-mm. you can do anything. president donald j. trump. that statue with that plaque on it went up in that philadelphia park just before the election. city workers pretty quickly took it down because it didn't have permission and it was there without a permit. around the same time, though, all the way across the country on the west coast in portland, oregon, there was another one. in this case, it was near a statue by a seattle-based sculptor, who's named norman taylor. this sculpture has been in portland, oregon, on southwest 6th avenue downtown since 1975, relatively famous local statue

in portland. this is also a bronze statue. its name -- i will not try to pronounce for you. it's the norwegian word for female nude. i cannot pronounce it in norwegian, so i won't try. this is a well known thing in downtown portland. and the same time the gross trump statue went up near to the maja statue in philly, that same trump statue with the same plaque went up here in portland as well, near that other statue of a nude woman. quote, in honor of a lifetime of sexual assault. now, both these statues went up just before the election. in philadelphia, as i mentioned, it was just city workers who took it down because there was no permit for it to be there. in portland, they took a different approach. somebody cut the statue's head off, and then a local pro-trump politician in portland took a hammer and chisel to the plaque with trump's quote on it and to the title about sexual assault.

that's what happened in portland. then there was the one that went up at the donald j. trump state park in york town heights, new york, which i think is about 50 miles north of new york city. this was a different statue, but it went up around the same time as the two leering statuing about trump with the quote about sexual assault. this one in the trump park, however, this was a different message. it was a big, giant, pillar. and you see how there's a tiny thing on top? this huge pillar with a big plaque on it and a teeny, teeny, teeny little thing sitting on top of it is a tiny little mushroom. and this one, again, has an explanatory plaque. this one was titled "the very large donald j. trump monument." it says that in all caps on top. and then below that, it says, quote, this giant pillar pays tribute to president trump. as you can see, this is a very large monument, definitely the

largest. despite this tower statue's impressive size, the president's former mistress stormy daniels slammed the president as having a smaller than average monument and claimed it was, quote, an unusual monument similar to a mushroom. she further went on to describe her interaction with his monument as, quote, the least impressive i've ever had. plot continues, the circumstances surrounding her statements have been verifying by a new york court of law. -- so that we may all bear witness to the truth of this giant, very normal monument. and again, a teeny tiny little mushroom at the bottom of the plaque and at the top of the very large -- and of course donald trump continues to deny ever having had a sexual encounter with stormy daniels. he is due to be sentenced this week, friday, after he was convicted of 34 felony charges

related to him falsifying business records to cover up the payments he made to her to stop her from speaking about their sexual encounter and all of its variously unpleasant, unsettling or in some cases pitiful details. so, there's the leering trump in philly. there's the leering trump in portland. there's the teeny, tiny mushroom in trump state park in new york. then there was also this. again, just before the election, went up around the same time. this time, this one was a giant tiki torch. it was put up in freedom plaza near the white house. the plaque with this one explained it was essentially commemorating trump's praise for the white nationalists and neo-nazis who marched with tiki torches saying things like, jews with lot replace us. somebody later destroyed it by smashing it to bits with a skak

board. not sure exactly what was going on there. all of these works of art went up right before the election. and of all of them, the one that got the most attention was actually another one that went up in d.c. nearby to the tiki torch statue. but specifically it was on the national mall. and it, you know, actually stayed up on the national mall for, kind of, a long time. it went up in late october, it stood through the election. the people who made it apparently properly went through the process of getting a permit to have this thing put up and stood up on the national mall so it was fully legal to be there and it was there for a while. and this one on the national mall got the most attention not only because of where it was right there amid the monuments and everything on the mall in washington, but it also got attention because of what it was. the statue that went up on the

national mall before the election was as funny and shocking as the rest of them. but it was unnerving in a different way because the sculpture that went up on the national mall just before the election was made of bronze. it was a desk that had some normal desk stuff on top, all cast in bronze. it had a land line phone, post-it notes, a calculator. prominent, pride in place on top of the desk, there's a name plate showing that this is a representation of a desk in the office of speaker of the house nancy pelosi. and right next to the name plate on top of the desk cast in bronze is a big bronze larger than life version of the poop emoji. plopped there right on top of the desk. and once again, there's a plaque. it says, quote, this memorial honors the brave men and women who broke into the united states

capitol on january 6, 2021, to loot, urinate, and defecate throughout those hallowed halls in order to overturn an election. president trump celebrates these heroes of january 6th as, quote, unbelievable patriots and warriors. this monument stands as a testament to their daring sacrifice and lasting legacy. their lasting legacy, a bronze turd left on the national mall for a few days around the election. it seems about right, actually. it seems about perfect. and of course this is funny, obviously. if you're like me and you have an 8-year-old sense of humor permanently for your whole life, literally anything involving a poop emoji or any reference to poop is always going to make you laugh. i will admit it. i am a complete slave to poop humor, absolutely. but in addition to this being funny, i think -- i think the reason this one is equally funny

and unnerving is because of the inherent juxtaposition, right? this really is cast in bronze amid all the very serious stuff on the national mall. we've got the plaques marking the historic sites and the big marble memorials and the cast bronze sculptures that are part of these memorials. so, to have a big version of the poop emoji in that context is funny. but it's also, like, a bad juxtaposition. it's repulsive, right? and that's obviously what this is all about. you know, you go back to the plaque, what it says there about the hallowed halls of the capitol and people breaking in to loot and urinate and defecate inside those hallowed halls. that is, in fact, what happened on january 6th. and these are things that, like, should not go together, right? it's gross. it feels -- it feels like whatever the civic version is of sacrilegious. it's repulsive to think of the hallowed halls and people doing

that inside them. it's repulsive. and i think that's, sort of, both how we're supposed to feel as citizens. i think it's how americans generally do feel about mixing the violence and politics, right? when the two do get mixed together, it turns our -- it turns our stomach. doesn't feel like something that's supposed to happen. we don't know whether to laugh at it or, kind of, point and run. but it feels wrong. here's another example. this is something that's on videotape. this is 2018 in south florida in coral gables, florida. >> nancy pelosi right here. look at this piece of [ bleep ] right here. look at this piece of [ bleep ] pelosi right here. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] get the [ bleep ] out of here. get the [ bleep ] out of here.

[ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> so, this happened at an event for a democratic congressional candidate in 2018. speaker of the house -- then speaker of the house nancy pelosi was there. the local republican party in miami-dade county called for a protest at the event. and this is what their protest looked like. >> what the [ bleep ]. what's up, brother? open up. open up. this is proud boys in here. >> open up. it's the proud boys in here. two things to know about this. the first thing to know is that when that guy says, hey, it's the proud boys here, he's right. the guy who was apparently

filming that piece of video, the guy who is credited with having filmed that piece of video, is enrique tario, the national head of the proud boys pro-trump paramilitary group. enrique tarrio at the time lived in south florida. he now lives in prison after being convicted of seditious conspiracy and sentenced to 22 years in prison for what sedition is, which is trying to overthrow the u.s. government. enrique tarrio's lawyer today wrote to former president trump asking trump to pardon his client. his family have been counting down the days until trump is sworn in as president because they're convinced enrique tarrio will be one of the january 6th felons who trump pardons on the day of his inauguration. so, that's one thing to know about that video of what happened that day in coral gables. the guy shooting the video, the

guy screaming at nancy pelosi, filming people pounding on the door to try to intimidate her, saying, the proud boys are there, that guy is now in prison for trying to overthrow the u.s. government. the other thing to know about that the video is the guy he's filming doing the pounding on the door, this guy here in the red circle, he has just been named by donald trump as his choice to be the next u.s. ambassador to the nation of panama because apparently that is what our country is looking for in an ambassador now. will you make yourself a physical menace for donald trump? now, that man who's now donald trump's ambassador pick, after this happened in coral gables, he later defended his conduct there saying he was just exercising his right to protest. at the time it happened, though, in 2018, republicans were quite embarrassed by this. the head of the miami-dade

republican party apologized for being there, distanced himself from the proud boys. other republicans, including florida senator marco rubio, condemned the actions, said republicans should never do anything physically intimidating like this. now marco rubio is about to be nominated to be donald trump's secretary of state, where the guy pounding on the door to scare nancy pelosi, that guy will be reporting to marco rubio as one of america's next u.s. ambassadors. and the reason that's repellant, the reason that is, sort of, instinctually repulsive to us is because there's supposed to be a sharp line that keeps violent intimidation on one side of the line and politics on the other and never the twain shall meet. in a democratic country, those things are supposed to be separate. so, today, january 6th, the

certification of the last presidential election happened in washington. and it just happened ministerially and ceremonially like it's supposed to. and that contrast with what happened today versus what happened four years ago makes clear the profound difference between the two parties, right? had democrats won the presidential election this year, the whole country openly expected and was preparing for republicans to go into violent, if not armed revolt. but because instead republicans won, everyone expected and in fact we saw today that democrats would peacefully accept and participate in the transfer of power. and when a whole country expects guaranteed violence if one side loses an electoral contest, then the two political parties in that contest are no longer competing in democratic terms

anymore. one of those parties is a small d and capital d democratic party. the other party is something else. so, that is part of what we are contending with on this january 6th. how do we ever get our democracy back now because we have, in effect, lost it. how do we ever get back to competition in democratic terms? which means specifically how do we get the republican party and the trumpist right to no longer see physical force and armed conflict as the way they're going to get their way and hold power? one big step backwards from that as a goal will be trump's promised pardons of the people who committed violence in his name on january 6, 2021, the ones who earned themselves that bronze statue of nancy pelosi's desk on the national mall that briefly memorialized the physically repulsive and scatological nature of their actions inside the capitol.

i mean, the argument now appears to be in republican circles not whether trump is going to issue pardons to people who took part in that attack on the capitol but just how many pardons he's going to issue. will he pardon them all or will he just pardon some of them. that has led to publications like the huffington post to try to resurface the details of the crimes for which some of these people were convicted to try to make it seem even to trump, even to trumpist republicans, like maybe these convictions were sound and should stand. quote, andrew tate pepper sprayed police officers defending the capitol on january 6, 2021, and hit one with a metal whip. christopher alberts carried a loaded nooin millimeter pistol onto capitol grounds that day and hit police officers with a wooden pallet. he's serving an 84-month

sentence in michigan. steven ka puch -- hold his cell phone in his mouth so he could beat an officer with his own hands, including with the officer's own baton. he's doing 85 months at the federal prison in forest city, arkansas. all three will be back on the streets if donald trump, the man who incited them follows through on his off-reputed pledge to pardon the january 6 insurrectionists. of those serving a year or more in prison, a full 50% are there following a conviction in cases involving an assault on a police officer. in all, 83% serving a year or more were convicted of committing an act of violence, which means that with few exceptions, the only people trump could release from prison with his pardons are those who attacked a police officer, possessed weapons or explosives, or were convicted of some other violent felony.

are those going to be the ones he springs? here was the deeply conservative "wall street journal" editorial page today. it's titled, "trump's pardon promise for january 6th rioters: does it include the ex-meth trafficker who brought a metal baton and swung it at police." quote, on december 20th, a prison sentence of 48 months was given to joshua lee atwood who pled guilty to assaulting law enforcement. he emptied a can of pepper spray at police, beat them with a pole, and pelted them with objects such as a metal scaffolding pipe. the prosecution's sentencing memo says his criminal history includes a pending felony case for an alleged 2023 stabbing. on december 17th, meaning last month, a 60-month sentence was given to michael bradley, age 50, who aparentally went to the capitol on january 6th with his own metal baton in a hip

holster. his list of priors includes a 2002 conviction for meth trafficking. also in december, a 24-year-old man got nine months for having thrown an equipment container lid that beamed a cop, causing momentary loss of consciousness. a 41-year-old man who wore body moore on january 6th pled guilty to scuffling with police, including trying to seize an officer's baton. other active cases include accusations of ramming the police line, punching cops, and walloping riot shields with a baseball bat. quote, this was the brutal reality of the capitol riot that many want to forget. pardoning such crimes would contradict mr. trump's support for law and order. and it would send an awful message about his view of the acceptability of political violence done on his behalf. now, as i mentioned, this is "the wall street journal's"

editorial page, deeply conservative. i would take issue there with their characterization of mr. trump's support for law and order. he has repeatedly praised the idea of violence in his name for every year that he has been in public life. so i would take issue with that. that said, that last line i read there from "the wall street journal" is absolutely correct. quote, it would send an awful message about trump's view of the acceptability of political violence done on his behalf. the acceptability of political violence done for him in his name. this january 6th, yes, we have got very blunt evidence of the profound difference between the democratic party offering democratic competition, win or lose, and the republican party's threat of violence to hold power. and, yes, there is also the unnerving and occasionally unsettling fight to remember

what actually happened, to be real about how disgusting it all was, while the trump movement and the republican party and the conservative media tries to say the january 6th attack was really just a bunch of heroes who were so peaceful and loving and they'd just been wrongly persecuted for doing nothing wrong. the effort to remember and to stick to the truth of what happened there and not be gaslit and lied to that it was some sort of day of love and peace, is unnerving and unsettling, and yes, occasionally hilarious. but there is also a very instrumental and practical question at hand this january 6th, which is, what happens to the future of political violence in our country? in the very short-term, in, like, the next year if the people who committed violence on trump's behalf are sprung from prison by him and celebrated as vindicated heroes who did nothing wrong starting two weeks from today when trump takes

office again? think about this in big picture terms. why does a leader who celebrates violence against his critics and his enemies want not just a government, not just the state to do his bidding. he also wants his mob. he also wants his paramilitary groups, people who have proven themselves willing to commit violence on his behalf. why does he want the mob? why does he want his paramilitary groups? why does he want his violent excons? he wants to set them all free at the start of his presidency so they can do what for him? the idea that there is permeability between violence and politics, that an incoming president might want a deniable, non-government violent force that he can activate or direct to do his bidding.

that what is supposed to be civic hallowed ground might be fouled by rioting and looting and people doing what they did in trump's name on january 6th. that is supposed to repel us and disgust us in dell bli. we are never supposed to acclimate to that. but the trump side has. and this artwork was temporary. and so now this january 6th, what should we be prepared for next, with two weeks left before he's back in power? i know just who to ask, next. jt in her school play! ♪♪ still taking yours? everyday! nature made. made with quality. made to care for you, every day. with over 50 years of expertise behind every bottle. nature made, the #1 pharmacist

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this is republican congressman andrew clyde. >> watching the tv footage of those who entered the capitol and walked through statuary hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the

ropes taking videos and pictures. you know, if you didn't know the footage was a video from january 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. >> a normal tourist visit, said republican congressman andrew clyde. is this you, republican congressman andrew clyde? is this you, the guy in the red circle holding up a piece of furniture to try to barricade the house floor while all those normal tourists were trying to break down that door on january 6th? if this is the way you react to every normal tourist visit to the capitol, remind me to never be a tourist near you. looks dangerous. for what it's worth, congressman clyde has repeatedly said those remarks were taken out of context, but he has declined to answer questions about what the proper context might be. also consider his colleague, republican congresswoman nancy mace. >> it was a sad day for our nation. i was shocked. i was heart broken. and i was pissed off and angry

by seeing this violent mob. how do we hold a president accountable that put all of our lives at risk? >> how do we hold a president accountable that put all of our lives at risk? how? turns out if your name is congressman nancy mace, you endorse that president to be president again after he did the thing that made you -- that you said made you so angry and afraid for your life. nancy mace was so committed to holding that guy accountable, she actually endorsed trump over nikki haley, who is not only from her home state of south carolina, haley actually is her constituent and lives in her district. here's one more. >> this has been a truly tragic day for america. violence in any form is absolutely unacceptable. it is anti-american and must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. >> it is anti-american and must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the -- you see what -- you see where this is going for

now, right? right? >> i have concerns about the treatment of january 6 hostages. >> they must prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. i mean, they're hostages. we must free them. it is one thing to sugar coat the facts of what happened on january 6, 2021. it's another thing entirely to contradict your own personal individual assessment of what happened that day, especially when it didn't happen all that long ago. it is a phenomenon that is funny and embarrassing, but it's not slowing down on its own just because it's funny and embarrassing. it requires a pushback, some of which it's getting today from people like congresswoman zoe lofgren, a democrat who was one of the january 6th investigators in congress. congresswoman lofgren saying today, quote, i have no respect for donald trump, but i do have respect for the process and for american voters. he was elected president, and we will certify that election today. the funny thing is some of these

members the day after january 6th four years ago, they were condemning trump and decrying the violence. now it's as if it didn't happen. so, it's, sort of, a lesson in propaganda, if you will. but ultimately, she says, it will not succeed, and i have faith in america. joining us now is congresswoman zoe lofgren, a democrat from california. congresswoman lofgren, i'm really appreciative of your time tonight. thank you for being here. >> happy to be here. >> when you say, it won't work, it will not succeed, i have faith in america, can you share with me the reason for that optimism? >> well, you can't undo history, rachel, as you know. one of the good things that our january 6 committee did was to document everything that we found and then to post it freely available. you can go to the government printing office website. and all of the material is there. there's videos. there's radio traffic,

transcripts, et cetera. so, you can just click on the exhibits and see the riot. it's right there. and i would encourage people who post on x or read things, if you see some of these ridiculous things republican members are saying it was just a tourist visit, just take a 20-second clip of the riot from the government printing office website and let that be your reply because in the end, what happened is what happened. luckily -- and i'm so grateful to the capitol police. i've been touching base with members who were hurt on that day and their family members, just to let them know how much i appreciate what they did. they saved my life. they saved the democracy. and they are appreciated. some of this nonsense that's being said by my colleagues, they know they're lying, doesn't undercut the heroism that they showed on that day and the

significance of what they did. so, in the end, the truth will out. >> you say that they know they're lying and you described it powerfully today as this being a lesson in propaganda. what do you think is the purpose of this propaganda effort? what do you think is the purpose of these lies? what is the end game for denying that january 6th happened the way that we know it did. >> well, it's what trump wants, number one. he know -- remember the day after, he issued really a video apology. we can't make that go away either, can we? he knew what happened, and he apologized for it. but now because he was wrong and he can never be wrong, right, we have to turn the facts upside-down and make it seem as if it didn't happen. and unfortunately, some of my cult-like colleagues are willing to accommodate him in that effort to try and clean up the

mess that he did on that day, the violence he incurred. he summoned the mob knowing they were armed. he sent them down to the capitol to overturn the election, essentially a coup d'etat. the police officers stopped him. and know we came close, we came close, but democracy survived that day. and i will say, i don't like donald trump. i don't respect him. but he was re-elected president. so, we did what our job was today, which was to count the electoral count votes and certify the obvious, that he won. i'm sorry that that's what voters chose, but it's their decision, not the congress' decision. >> congresswoman zoe lofgren, democrat of california, member of the january 6th investigation in congress. thanks for being here. i know a lot of demands on your time on this day. i really appreciate you being here with us.

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this is a military base, an air base in honduras. it's about 50 miles from the capital of that country. the united states has been at this base in honduras for decades. the largest u.s. military task force in central america operates out of this base. this is the base where u.s. presidents and vice presidents have flown in to and been

received by honduran officials for more than 40 years. soto kano is a big part of america's military footprint in central america. but it is not technically an american base. the base belongs to honduras. and the u.s. just uses it under a longstanding agreement with that country's government. well, just a few days ago, in a new year's day address to her country, the president of honduras said that the united states is not going to be able to use that anymore. she said, if donald trump starts mass deportations of immigrants when he takes office, honduras effectively reserves the right to kick the u.s. military out of that base, which has more than 1,000 u.s. personnel at it right now and that we've been using for decades. she said, quote, faced with a hostile attitude of mass expulsion of our brothers, we would have to consider a change of our policies of cooperation

in the united states especially in the military arena. without paying a cent for decades, they maintain military bases in our territory, which in this case would lose all reason to exist in honduras. that news from honduras comes on the heels of some other really interesting news from the vatican. today pope francis appointed a new archbishop for washington, d.c. now, washington, d.c. is not the biggest catholic diocese in the country but it is very influential for obvious reasons. for this influential post, pope francis chose cardinal mcilroy. cardinal mcilroy is known as an outspoken defender of immigrants. in 2016, for example, after donald trump was first elected, mcilroy said if the new trump administration was going to embark on the pathway of massive deportation, then, quote, the catholic community must move

immediately with the -- characterized catholic opposition on the issues of abortion and religious liberty in recent years. of trump's threats to do mass deportations, mcelroy said, quote, the church can never acquiesce or cooperate with such a grave evil in our society. quote, we must label this policy proposal for what it is, an act of injustice, which would stain our national honor in the same manner as the progressive dispositions of the native american peoples of the united states and the internment of the japanese. welcome back to washington, president trump. that's your new archbishop. the closer we get to inauguration day, the more we are learning about the character of the pushback that is materializing against what trump says he wants to do. that list also includes one state attorney general who now says there's a very specific part of what trump has threatened to do that he's already planning his fight

against. and that official joins us live here, next. joins us live here, next

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mr. attorney general, thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks, rachel. >> so, what was it about this day one pledge, this birth right citizenship pledge that trump is making that grabbed your attention? >> well, it's very personal for me and millions of americans. like millions of americans, my parents came here with nothing. my dad had 57 cents left in his pocket to be exact when he arrived in artford, connecticut. they opened a chinese restaurant. and when i was born, they were not yet citizens. i was the first american born in my immediate family. and in one generation, i've gone from working with my parents in our hot chinese restaurant kitchen to being the attorney general of our state. and that was all made possible by the -- by a right of my birth, the right to be an american citizen, a right that has given me the opportunity to have the education, the employment opportunities, the jobs that i've had, that have given me the opportunity to run for office. it is the enduring promise of america.

it's what p ronald reagan referred to. birth righting citizenship is part of our essential character, and it's core to the american dream. >> trump seems to think that he can undo it with some sort of executive action despite the fact birth right citizenship is in the constitution. how do you expect this fight to unfold if he tries to do do what he say he's going to try. >> i know my fellow attorneys general are committed to stopping him. we're going to be a firewall for americans, immigrants, reproductive freedom, for the environment, against gun violence. we are going to use the law as a sword and also as a shield to protect our states. and the 40th amendment is very clear. if you're a conservative, if you're an originalist, if you're a textualist, the 14th amendment means what it says, that if you're born on american soil or under the jurisdiction of the united states of america, you're

an american, period. and the supreme court confirmed that in a celebrated supreme court case more than 125 years ago. >> there is an ugly and underappreciated history in this country of trying to strip people of their citizenship when they come under fire by one political faction or another. it has never succeeded before. i have a feeling we'll be seeing you and your fellow attorneys general fighting another successful fight on these -- along these lines, sir. keep in touch with us, as this unfolds. we'll be eager to see how the strategy works here. >> thank you, rachel. >> attorney general william tong. we'll be right back. stay with us. ral william tong we'll be right back. stay with us swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses let's take a look at those scenarios. j.p. morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools, like wealth plan to keep you on track.

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