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it is good to be back with you for the second hour of chris jansing reports. resident jimmy carter's final trip to the capital. his casket will arrive at joint base andrews where the hearse awaits to take him to the u.s. navy memorial. i will speak to senator ed markey one of the last current lawmakers who served in congress when jimmy carter occupied the white house. a developing story out of florida. two bodies found in the landing gear compartment after a flight arrived from new york. donald trump's lawyers late efforts to delay sentencing in the hush money case has just been denied while he pushes to keep the special counsel report under wraps. our reporters are following all of the latest development. a new york court of appeals

denied the late efforts to delay sentencing in the hush money case. it is scheduled for friday. von hilliard is back at the camera after a news conference at mar-a-lago. let's talk about what the decision means for donald trump and what we know about how he's feeling about all of this. >> reporter: it's been indicated that if you were to have to appear would be virtual at this point in time, but this is an hour by hour blow at this point. the decision came down during the press conference. at this point in time the sentencing will proceed on friday as planned. of course, he's going to washington, d.c. later today but at this point in time there's a question whether his legal team can still get the sentencing delayed. we will wait to hear from the

appeals court. >> thank you for that. let's go to florida and the gruesome discovery of two bodies in the landing gear of a jetblue plane. what more do we know about what happened here? >> reporter: we just got another date from the broward county sheriff's office. i want to take you quickly to what we heard and all the questions that are left remaining, but here is a little bit of what we heard this morning. >> i can share that the individuals that are deceased or both males. beyond that, their identities at this time are unknown. that's one of the questions detectives are seeking to answer. >> reporter: that was pretty much all we learned from that press conference. all of the questions we and the greater public have about how they got there, when they got there, how long they have been there remain unanswered. here's what we do know.

we have video from the airport. we know the emergency call to 911 came in just before 11:30 at fort lauderdale airport. we know there was the gruesome discovery during a routine postflight maintenance. we've also learned the routing for that specific aircraft was kingston, jamaica. then to jfk new york. salt lake city utah and back to jfk before ending eventually here at fort lauderdale airport . we do not know when the individuals got into the landing gear compartment, how long they have been there, but we know that tsa is working with the faa, the airport and the airline to uncover that. we got a statement from jetblue overnight calling it a heartbreaking situation, saying they will be investigating all of the details, but we know this comes on the heels of a lot of reporting we've been chewing on similar incidents.

we don't know if this is is something we can call a stowaway incident quite yet. we have been reporting on high- profile stowaway incidents. a couple of weeks ago there was a body found in the landing gear of a flight that was going from chicago to maui. a lot of questions being raised around security surrounding these planes. how are people getting into these parts of the airplane and people with no tickets getting into parts of the airport. a lot of questions. >> thank you for that. we are moments away from forming president -- former president jimmy carter making its way to the u.s. capitol. talk about what we will see this afternoon when his remains arrive? >> reporter: the sun is shining to welcome carter in his last trip to dc. despite the cold and frigid temperatures the workers have been working so hard to clean off the area that the family will be walking up,

his body in the hearse will be inside of. in just a couple of moments, the first stop carter will be making will be at the u.s. navy memorial. it is a couple blocks from here. it's a significant stop for the 39th former president because he was a lieutenant in the navy. as president he established a bill dedicating that navy memorial. he attended the navy mccann -- navy academy. following that moment the hearse will be placed for funeral processions. the family will be trailing it all the way to the capital. it is an ode to the moment in the inauguration when he and the first lady walked, made the walk to capitol hill. of course, at that moment to be inaugurated and this one much different but once it arrives it will be placed inside the rotunda where he will lie in state. members of congress will have several hours before it is open

to the public to pay private respects to the former president for his legacy and everything he has accomplished. he will also be eulogized by senator john thune and house speaker mike johnson as well. vice president kamala harris joining the service as well as carter makes his final trip to washington. >> julie, thank you so much for that. this is the scene from joint base andrews. we are told the plane you see coming in is indeed special air mission 39 arriving to bring president carter's remains that will be transferred with ceremony and immediately following the motorcade will depart for the u.s. navy memorial in washington, d.c. as we watched, i want to bring in one of the last current members of congress to have served when president jimmy carter was indeed president. senator ed markey, democrat of

massachusetts. thank you for being with us. as we watch the plane about to touch down, when you think of president carter tell us what you remember the most? >> i think about a man who now is viewed as a great president. the camp david accords. israel and egypt, the superfund program to clean up hazardous waste sites across the country. wind and solar as part of the energy mix to deal with pollution in the air and the greenhouse gases that are causing climate change. the work that he did to create a department of education, a department of energy. in order to look ahead and lead the way for our nation. he always did so with concern for those who are the least tri

out the attitudes of jesus christ. blessed are the peacemakers, blessed are the poor. blessed are the sick. lesson are those that are the most vulnerable. that's what jimmy carter was every day that he was president and every day for the rest of his life after he left the presidency. just an incredible american citizen. >> becoming a covenant first and then president. even to the end he defied expectations. he was in hospice care for the final two years of his life. before he went into hospice care you last connected with him and man -- in nantucket. i wonder, how was he compared to the man you knew in the office of president of the united states? >> he was a young man when i was talking to him and massachusetts. he was probably only 95 years old at the time.

he was making a passionate plea for the resources to deal with the plague of guinea worm around the world. his goal was to eradicate it. to help millions of people to avoid having to deal with that kind of suffering. in the same way there had been an earlier crusade to eradicate smallpox. it was jimmy carter who focused on that preventable disease. one of his legacies is that he and rosalyn were successful and focusing on it, getting the resources to deal with it. when i talk to him it was with that same focus, the same commitment to solving a problem because he knew that human beings have the ability to alleviate human suffering if they focus upon the problem and took action. that was his whole life in a

nutshell. going all the way back to his earliest beginnings as a public servant. >> for all those reasons, do you think he has changed the perception of what a post- presidency can be and maybe should be? >> i think he has. there's a lot of political capital that a former president has. what jimmy carter decided to do was to use it to help those most in need. to ensure that democracies across the rest of the planet are nurtured and protected, to ensure that human rights are focused upon as a central part of the american message to the rest of the world. you can't preach temperance from a barstool. you have to practice it. that's what jimmy carter did. across the planet he was a

voice for democracy, for human rights, for eradicating disease . especially in those countries that otherwise would not have had the capacity to protect their people from the ravages of disease. >> there is such a difference in the politics as today. as difficult as it may have seemed at the time washington has never been an easy place. jimmy carter learned that the hard way. i wonder what he would make of the politics of today. do you think that there are echoes of the person he was that can still resonate today with people going into political life? >> obviously donald trump does not share jimmy carter's view of the world, of the responsibility that a government has to deal with human suffering. i think this past week focus

has helped us to once again focus on the better angels of our nature and how we can't forget those who would be left behind unless there was a conscious effort made by our government, by our people to focus on that suffering and not just here but all around the world. we are not just 4% of the world. we are the moral and political leader for the whole rest of the planet. jimmy carter in his post- presidency tried to make sure the rest of the world heard that highest aspiration. listed our gaze to the constellation of possibilities for ourselves, our country and the rest of the world. my hope is that this last week has helped to inspire more people to dedicate their lives to that agenda. >> you touched on some of his

most notable achievements. the camp david accords, the creation of the department of education, his record on human rights, the department of energy. the lens is long. when you and i are gone and grandchildren and great- grandchildren are reading about the history of the united states, what do you think the legacy of jimmy carter will be? >> jimmy carter will be viewed the same way that harry truman is viewed. when he left office people said he had a failed presidency. as people look back at harry truman now they realize he was a great man. the same thing is happening and will continue to happen for jimmy carter. he will be viewed to have had a great presidency. that he was a great man. that he was seeking to have our country move towards a better relationship with everyone of our citizens, to give each and

every one of them what they needed. to also project that set of values across the planet. that's middle eastern peace, the panama canal treaty, trying to focus on the pollution that the united states was sending up that was going to be affecting the whole rest of the planet. i think he will be viewed as someone who truly was a visionary and perhaps in some ways was not appreciated in his time, but as we look back we can realize he was just trying his best to have the united states respond to the challenge that the whole rest of the world hopes we would respond to which is trying to ensure that we are the moral, political, economic, human rights leader for the rest of the world. i think increasingly people realize that jimmy carter was in many ways the originator of those messages and history will be very generous to him and his presidency.

>> senator ed markey, thank you so much for your kind words. i appreciate you being with us as we watch the landing of the plane emblazoned with united states of america and the stars and stripes. special air mission 39 arriving at joint base andrews. flight that marks jimmy carter's final return to washington where he entered as an outsider and when he left built a global post-presidency. joining us now is andrea mitchell. presidential historian and director of the presidential library, lindsay. nbc contributor and author of his very best, jimmy carter life. jonathan alter. and form your -- former advisor for the harriet -- harris-walz campaign . talk to us about these final moments before he is officially laid to rest next to the love of his life.

>> it is so poignant seeing him return to washington. he came, as you said as an outsider and was criticized for not playing politics the washington way. he got so much done as jonathan certainly catalogued in his wonderful book, his very best. jonathan has helped restore the legacy of jimmy carter as a president. the panama canal treaty which we heard of course derided by president trump today. ronald reagan was very much against them and it was one of the political issues that certainly hampered his presidency in the later years. that was a big achievement that outreach to china and relations with china completing went president nixon had started. of course, the camp david accords.

that is a peace treaty between israel and egypt which has withstood the test of history. it was never expanded or fully achieved for the palestinians but that was the failure not just of the conception of the negotiators, but also the failure of the palestinian leadership and succeeding presidencies. they retreated on some of the commitment and israel retreating on commitments to the west bank, palestinian eventual creation of the state. there were a lot of things he did on foreign policy that are so important overseas as well. of course, he had the controversies and the fact that the afghanistan invasion by the former soviet union ended with him deciding the u.s. would not attend the 1980 olympics. most importantly the iran hostage crisis.

ultimately, criticized for permitting the shot of iran to come in for medical treatment in the united states which helped contribute to the iranian revolution and enraged the fundamentalists who took over and the rest is history. the larger picture is that he accomplished so much in his presidency. so much afterwards and to see him returning to washington and the ceremonies that are laid out by him because all presidents and first ladies decide how they want the state funeral to go. this one has been so beautifully done. with the trip and the family farm which was so important that shaped his boyhood and then, of course the carter center they created together. as you see, the beginning of

the people disembarking from special mission 39 which is part of the fleet from joint base andrews and one of the planes that is also used as air force one when the president of the united states is on it. you see the dignitaries, the families coming down. the casket will be lowered. we believe, from a mechanized lift from the rear of the plane as it was boarded at dobbins air reserve base in georgia. that was just about 90 minutes ago. in any case, jimmy carter was derided as president for not playing politics. he had such a larger vision in human rights and the environment. people forget he created more national parkland than any president previous or since.

he was an early visionary on climate change, putting solar panels on the roof of the white house that were removed by the reagan white house, but think of what would have been as tom friedman wrote this week, think of what would have happened on climate change if back in 1980 the new administration had not reversed all of his initiatives with the energy crisis and because he was so ahead of his time on the dangers of climate change and global warming. if those policies had continued, and we haven't had that horrible inflation and all of the economic problems that made his political life so difficult in washington, maybe history would have almost immediately been different, certainly

without the iran hostage crisis maybe he would have been more competitive. >> special air mission 39 has arrived. we saw the stairs move into position, disembarking by ceremonial participants including the special honor guard moving into position. the family with them as well. we are told that one of the people we saw coming off the plane was his personal pastor. it seems an appropriate time as we watch this to talk about the very deep and broad role that faith played in his life. ed markey touched on this, but i know it is part of the conversations you have had with him over the years. >> his faith was central to his life. not at all peripheral. he played many times -- prayed many times a day for strength, not particular outcomes, but to

handle what came his way. remember, his metastatic melanoma that went to his brain, i asked him, was this cured by this miracle cancer drug. he said, medicine and faith. in terms of his church, the baptist church in georgia was established after the first baptist church refused to allow blacks into the church. carter and his friends started a new church which is fully integrated, which was quite unusual. this was done in the 1970s when he was president. so the single most segregated

day of the week, sunday, not in his baptist church. earlier he had tried and failed to integrate the first baptist church. after the presidency in recent years he has taken on the southern baptist convention, the largest religious organization in the united states because of their treatment of women and their departure from what he considered to be the fundamentals of the baptist faith. >> was it not extraordinary the energy he continued to show into his 90s? his commitment to issues into his 90s. ed markey saying, joking but not joking that he last saw him when he was young, 95. >> i was dealing with him when he was 95. he was sharp as a tack. i am not exaggerating.

>> not just sharp for 95. >> not just sharp for 95. he had both knees replaced so he was very mobile. he was going fishing in siberia in his early 90s. everything he did he did to his utmost. he never went on miller time. even when he was recreated he was competing over who could catch the most fish. that was one of only dozens of things. remember, he became a novelist, a poet, a painter. some of these poems and paintings are not bad. that is in addition to going to africa dozens of times in the years after he left the presidency. sometimes going way off the beaten path to sleep on a mat in some village in order to make sure the folks they were

training to eradicate guinea worm disease were getting the job done. on that just for a second. that is just one of several obscure but deadly, harmful diseases he worked on. riverpoint -- river blindness being another one. when he took on this problem there were 3.5 million cases in the world. today there are between 15 and 20. >> extraordinary. we see the opening is made in the back of the plane. the military body team getting ready to remove the casket. let's just listen for a second as we see the special honor guard in position, waiting to receive the casket bearing the remains of former president jimmy carter aboard special air mission 39 at joint base andrews.

as we wait for the military team to remove the casket, adrian elrod, you are somebody that worked for two administrations. we are seeing family members moved into position which will allow the casket to come off of the plane. a lot of those folks he worked with new jimmy carter well. they were around in those years. i wonder how they look at him

and whether he had any influence on them. >> absolutely. just as jonathan was talking about and we saw senator markey talking about this also he had a very historic four years as president. many would say the work he did post presidency was some of his best work. look at president clinton starting the clinton foundation. look at president obama starting the obama foundation. a lot of the work president clinton's foundation does which hillary clinton is part of, was inspired by jimmy carter's work. he presented the new model of what you can do post presidency. he was relatively young so he had a lot of time to make an impact. his humanitarian work with habitat for humanity, having such a massive influence on democratic elections, and the humanitarian efforts his foundation had across many

different subject areas, many different places across the united states and across the globe. it was something president clinton talked a lot about in the books he's written and a lot of the interviews. he said toward the end of his presidency, i want my postpresidential life to look like jimmy carter. >> they did not have a good personal relationship starting when jimmy carter was president. when bill clinton was president he felt carter was being a bit of a freelance secretary of state. notwithstanding that, as you say, clinton ended up giving him the presidential medal of freedom. to the surprise of the carter family, a couple of years ago when they were celebrating their 75th wedding anniversary, there's only a tiny number of americans who have and married for 75 years. they made it to 77. the invited guests were down

there at the high school where the event was taking place. nancy pelosi came, nobody was surprised by that. garth brooks came, nobody was surprised. when bill and hillary clinton showed up, the carter family was stunned because they had had this fraught relationship and yet bill and hillary clinton appreciated him and wanted to make sure they showed up. >> we have seen the carter family here today. he is survived by four children, 11 grandchildren, 14 great-grandchildren. he spent the final years of his life surrounded by his loved ones. whenever you heard any member of his family talk about him, especially the younger ones. the love that they had was palpable. what did those relationships mean to them and how does his personal life inform his legacy.

>> i think the relationships are absolutely essential to who he was. his family, his extended family were his greatest pride. in an interview he was asked what was your best decision or greatest contribution. he always started with his marriage which is an incredible testament to both their partnership but also his values. we saw those values very much on display when he was president. the choice to send amy carter, their youngest child to public school was one that was widely discussed at the time because it was not the best school and most presidents send their children to private school. it was a testament to his belief in the importance of education for all citizens as the starting point to get ahead. his family cannot be separated from his values both personally and politically. >> back when i was covering the obama white house, jonathan,

even people who did not like the obama's would talk about the relationship that he and michelle had. when i did a series of exit interviews with people who had been in the administration often for more than the final years had been through both of his

>> i think the partnership between the president is important. the two of them were obviously very close partners and i think it's also important again to reflect on the fact that jimmy carter served our country as president for four years. he left the president to speak to more than i can with some negative numbers, because he lost his re-election bid and history has looked so positively and ticked off a whole list of things and might have not made the flashy headlines at the time. thank god for him and for the work he did. we are looking at president biden served four years and a lot of work he did was not necessarily coming to flourish in right now before economic and

a lot of work will come from his legislation. we will see in the next 3 to 4 years and it's an example how history looks back on presidents. maximized every single day that they served in office and that was jimmy carter in partnership. >> are they politically successful and jimmy carter was a political failure. he lost when re-election, but historians look at the president and how they touched and changed the nation. as you say, you get a different lens on these as time goes on as we saw in terms of habitat. habitat for humanity is now the largest builder of nine profit houses in the world. i was lucky enough to build with jimmy and rosalynn carter

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>> the casket secure in the hearse. the family loaded into the motorcade departing joint base andrews and headed for the u.s. navy memorial where in a very short time they will pause this , a very special place for jimmy carter, one of several presidents who served in the u.s. navy, but the only one to go to the u.s. naval academy. >> yes, that was a very important part of his life. when he was a boy, he didn't want to be president. he wanted to be an admiral. his uncle was in the navy and had his heart set from a young age on attending the u.s. naval academy and he read the manual, but tell you what he needed to do to get in and he realized he needed more weight, so he ate a bunch of bananas, so he made sure he met the weight

requirement and a whole series of other things. when the naval academy, the graduates 39th out of a class of 650. when he is trying to get into the most elite program in the navy, a famous program that runs the cold war and developed nuclear powered submarines that soviets couldn't match. he was trying to get into the program and asks him, did you do your best? he thought he had. d. he wheeled around in his chair and said, why not? this was in 1952. carter thought, i'm not going to get in. he respected his honesty.

from that day until the day he died, you did -- he did his best and everything which is with the nobel prize citation included. >> i had the great honor perhaps a decade ago of mana meeting is cannot nominating a panel of nobel peace winners. jimmy carter was on that panel. it was an extraordinary conversation we had formally. afterwards, we were leaving the stage and they were going to have their photographs taken by an illegal it's perhaps the most famous american photographer. they joked about it was a bunch of old men still trying to have an influence on peace, but i do think, lindsay, if you are still with us, he was someone who until the very end believed in the obligation to use the

influence he had, the experience he had, the contacts he had, piece was very high on the list, but just simply making the world a better place, making planes, georgia, a better place was always, it seemed in the back of his mind. >> i think adrian said that the carter center really defined what it meant for presidents, what they could do in their postpresidential life. i think carter more broadly did that. of course, through the carter center he established incredible research efforts to eradicate disease. he helped with democracy monitoring around the world. he focused on human rights, civil rights and was a partner in all of these efforts.

the outpouring of love and support for the family and suchy warm reflections across georgia and nationally is because as you said, until the very end he was committed to trying to make the world a better place. my favorite story i've heard of the last few days was from a national park service ranger who works at his boyhood home. one day carter was at the house and noticed one of the chairs was broken. he picked it up and walked out. she said, what are you doing. he said i'm going to fix it. in he got it back the next day and had it fixed. it's not usual postpresidential behavior. he changed our conception of ha what it is people can do and how they can use that platform and leverage for good. >> it is interesting utah that story about furniture. jimmy carter was a master woodworker. he wrote a book about it.

the pictures are beautiful. >> hero how many books? >> 32 books. >> as somebody who writes books that is quite astonishing. it makes me feel like a slacker. >> that's how he made his living. he did not take big speaking fees or corporate board memberships. he worked hard on his books while he was making peace and promoting global health. he built every piece of his furniture both at his home and the cabin they had in north georgia. some of his many skills, he was maybe not at the top of what you would consider to be, he wasn't the best poet in the world. i think some of his poems are good but he was not a top- flight poet. these chairs, tables, dressers, they are beautiful, that he builds. what he would do is -- he had

done woodworking since he was as young man but he wanted to learn a new skill he would engineer it. he would study everything there was to know about it and then in the case of poetry, he brought a couple of poets to georgia and had them instruct him. then he practiced and would get better as time went on. he was a world-class autodidact. i think it's fair to call him the only renaissance man since thomas jefferson who served in the white house. if you look at the range of his skills. just beginning to scratch the surface. he was an inventor. he had patents. he was a very accomplished land- use planner. i think people when they think about his presidency they don't realize what a master diplomat he was. s not just at camp david but in a variety of other situations

both during and after his presidency. the attention to detail which is often in a lazy minded way used against him. he chose who could use the white house tennis courts. that was not true. there are some myths about him, but most of the time, not all the time but most of the time the attention to detail is what brought him great achievements. for instance, doubling the size of a national park service by protecting millions of acres in alaska and other areas. this was because he knew the details. he knew that these headwaters were critical for this species. it made it very hard to beat him when he came to negotiating because he just knew more than the people on the other side. this helped. there were all sorts of other things. when he was in the

program at the dawn of the nuclear age, the first accident of the nuclear age, the classified experimental reactor in canada led to a meltdown. carter was set with the team to race into the core of the nuclear reactor as it is melting down and they were only allowed to stay 90 seconds. it was obviously a very risky operation. even though he did not see combat in world war ii he did in a sense see combat when he was in the navy. >> the memorial and motorcade is heading in that direction. it occurred to me as we were watching the honor guard and t listening to the air force band playingto the chief -- hail to the chief and abide with me on d the 21 gun salute we live in a time when it seems a lot of

norms surrounding the presidency have gone away. a lot of the expectations we have for the presidency i have changed and may continue to change. i wonder what you think as a presidential historian as you watch what we just saw unfold, a ceremony that honors the service of an individual who voters across the united states decided they wanted to lead them to has rightfully been honored in his postpresidential life for the way he has conducted it and the service he has given. the norms, the beauty of saying goodbye in a very presidential way. what goes through your mind? >> you are right. i think in the last several years we have seen how fragile a lot of those norms are. how much they are really based on the honor system or the good faith of the people who are in office. there often are not mechanisms

to enforce them. of there are they can be relatively toothless. one of the things i think was so impressive when he was in office and also afterwards was his commitment to character. he promised he would never lie to people. i think a lot of his appeal especially in the first electoral season is that he was different from the watergate era and promised a restoration of those norms. n what i think about when i think about this process is how much of it is not mandated or required by law. every single one of the stops we've seen. every music selection. every single speaker, every prayer, every song those were things that were determined by a jimmy carter and their family. i think that is a great example of how so much of the presidency can be written by the people in it and it really is up to the voter to care about character and to care about having people like carter in office. >> we only have 30 seconds left

but among those who will eventually eulogize jimmy carter will be joe biden. what do you expect? >> i think he will talk about his personal relationship with president carter which we will talk about on the show. they had a deep bond but you will also talk about his legacy. they have quite similar presidencies and the fact that they served one term but got a lot of good things done during that term. i think it will be really exciting to watch. >> thank you all very much for being with us. msnbc will have special coverage of former president jimmy carter's funeral service at the national cathedral so bet sure to tune in this thursday right here on msnbc. that will do it for us this hour. our coverage continues with katie turner reports. ts. [swooshing sound] introducing allison's plaque psoriasis. ♪♪ she thinks her flaky, gray patches are all people see.

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