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hour, the nation's 39th president, jimmy carter, lying in state in the capitol rotunda, which continues at this hour of the night. leaders from the house and senate delivered eulogies today and laid wreaths. vice president harris discussed president carter's long legacy. >> jimmy carter established a new model for what it means to be a former president, from founding the carter center, which is help advance global human rights, to his tireless advocacy for peace and democracy. may his life be a lesson for the ages and a beacon for the future. >> a statement from the vice president about president carter, who was 100 years old when he passed away on december 29th. that's our broadcast tonight. the reid out with joy read starts now. >> tonight on "the reid out" --
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>> tonight, after a 49 year struggle, a constitutional amendment appears on the way, proclaiming once and for all that women have all the same rights as that other sex. >> that was more than 50 years ago, and we still don't have an equal rights amendment, meaning that in america, women do not have equal rights under law. changing that could be a major part of president biden's legacy. plus, don junior is touring greenland but of course his father is tying it to his fever dream for the island to become part of the united states of america. wonder if he checked that plan with his boss, elon musk, before announcing that today. and president jimmy carter, our truest good christian president, lying in state in the capitol rotunda, which will be open for public viewing later this hour.
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>> we begin tonight in greenland, a country most of us don't often think about, especially in the dead of winter, when we got our own frigid snow to focus on. but greenland has been a top of mind topic recently for the trump family. donald trump, our soon to be copresident, has resurrected his first term obsession with acquiring greenland from its current colonial holder, denmark, and he has broadened his expansionist vision to add a couple of other countries to the wish list. this morning the supposedly no more wars candidates suggested that he would not rule out using military force to gain control of not just greenland but also the panama canal, which belongs to panama, and that he would use economic force to acquire canada, too. outgoing canadian prime minister justin trudeau, apparently tiring of his previous tack of visiting and appeasing from, responding, quote, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. trump also introduced another
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idea no one asked for or voted for, renaming the gulf of mexico the gulf of america. and while he was wasting the world's time doing that, his eldest son don junior landed in greenland with billionaire funded right wing troll charlie kirk to take in the sights, film some content for his podcast, and get the medial watching meet with absolutely zero greenland officials. bad news, none of these places are up for sale and none of them are just going to roll over for donald. but it does beg the question, why is he banging on about them? let's start with greenland. if you were to look at the earth from the north pole, you would spot greenland right there on the map. it's an arctic island neighboring canada and alaska to the west end denmark and russia to the east. together these are the countries in the arctic circle. greenland is roughly three times the size of texas and has a population of nearly 60,000 people, 88% of whom are indigenous inuit people who have been there for thousands of years.
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it was first colonized by the united kingdom of denmark and norway in the early 18th century and it remains part of europe as an autonomous territory of denmark. currently an ally of ours. it's unclear why greenland, which is self-rule within the kingdom of denmark and has political representation, would just settle for colonial status in america, with no full representation in congress, like a frozen version of puerto rico, guam, the u.s. virgin islands or washington, d.c. just a downgrade to their access to european healthcare alone seems prohibitive. ditto canada. so why does trump care so much about taking greenland? well it's sort of simple and very said. climate change is melting arctic ice, exposing more greenland's vast wealth of rare minerals and energy resources, things we need to fuel the renewable energy market. just think how much trump could real and mine if he turned greenland in the arctic part of canada into american colonies.
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it just so happens that we also have a military base in greenland, where we forcibly moved inuit people to build its, which left many of them not too thrilled about americans. so people in greenland don't want this and neither does denmark or canada. guess who would benefit from a potential war between nato allies denmark and the united states., russia and their autocrat, vladimir putin. in fact, the point ruston propaganda has made on russian state tv, telling viewers, quote, this is especially interesting because it drives a wedge between him and europe. it undermines the world architecture and opens up certain opportunities for our foreign policy point he added that if trump really wants to stop the third world war, the way out is simple -- dividing up the world into spheres of influence. chaos in the collapse of the nato alliance at the hands of the united states have been russia's long-sought goal and
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with this greenland gambit, trump is playing right into their hands. surprise, surprise. and putin doesn't even have to rely on just trump to make his nato ending dreams come true. he's also getting an assist from elon musk. having purchased the next u.s. president for $200 million, the world's richest billionaire seems to want to control the whole entire world, ultimately tinkering with governments, trying to duplicate his success in the u.s. by making all of europe right-wing. muscat is calling on king charles to dissolve the uk's parliament and oust centerleft prime minister keir starmer. he's been amplifying right-wing claims starmer failed to prosecute child rapist s when he was his country's top rescued her but he's also picking fights with the nations far right, trashing nigel farage, urinary, the leader of the anti-immigrant reform party, just weeks after considering funding the party.
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their little fallout centers around mosque's recent support of tommy robinson, one of britain's most infamous ultra right-wing activists. robinson cofounded the vera lindley's llama phobic english defense lean, claiming muslims without number europeans within decades. tommy robinson isn't even his real name. it's a pseudonym he took from a soccer hooligan. he was banned from twitter for breaking rules on hateful conduct back in 2018 but elon musk reinstated him after buying the company and now mosque wants robinson released from prison. and why is he in prison? for contempt of court related to a libel suit that he lost over false claims about a 15- year-old segan syrian refugee who was assaulted at school in northern england. robinson claimed the child was the instigator. he and his family received death threats as a result. you've seen elon's support of tommy robinson as a bridge too far, even for for raj, who says robinson isn't right for his party. but musk has since also extended his support to accused sex trafficker andrew tate, who says he plans to run for prime
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minister to, quote, save britain even though he couldn't actually spell the word written properly. elon is also spreading his tentacles to germany, trickling down on his support for the far right alternative for germany or afd party. the party that germany's intelligence has classified as a suspected extremist organization. he told a live chat with the afd party leader on x twitter later this week. some of europe's leaders are standing up to musk's meddling. uk's keir starmer, the afro mentioned mr. starmer slammed him for spreading lies and misinformation. french president emmanuel macron said start quote 10 years ago who could've imagined if we had been told that the owner of one of the largest social media networks in the world would support a new international reactionary movement and intervene directly in elections, including in germany. the government of german chancellor olaf scholz criticized elon by name. the normal people, the sensible people, the decent people are far in the majority in this
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country, he said. adding, we act as if mr. mosque's statements could influence a country of 84 million people with untruths or half-truths or expressions of opinion. it's simply not the case. i'm joined now by mehdi hassan, editor-in-chief and ceo. the sad fact is mehdi, this country, our country was influenced by exactly that and so, how right is europe to worry that maybe their populations are not as safe as they might think? >> first of all, joy, happy new year although there is not much happy about it so far. 2025 is really -- yeah. i think you're in for was spot on. i think you ended it in exactly
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the right place, the german chancellor saying these great, rousing words, but sadly they are not true. i wish they were true but musk has proved in this country that he can affect politics. he did spend more than $200 million of his own money propping up trumping the republican party. he did live in pennsylvania, doing lotteries for swing voters and he did about his website, his social media platform, one of the most influential messaging platforms on the planet, to getting from elected. ironically, all the things that trump accused liberals of doing, he's now doing. everything is accused george soros of being, musk is timestamp or every thing he thought jack dorsey was doing with twitter, he's doing with x. and he's dangerous. as you say, germany, the uk, canada, he is pushing the far right in each of those countries. in the u.s. he's already done it. every day he seems to become more and more extreme. just today he was questioning whether islamophobia even exists. he's taking every far right red pillbox and he's not just some random troll. he's not tommy robinson. he's actually a billionaire who can sway elections and has the ear of the president of the united states from january 20th 2025. >> one might say he's his boss, but he's donald trump's los and that trump's of her boss, vladimir putin, these two, they do have local designs.
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ed lucas had a great point in the financial times. musk speaking for trump, in which case the west is as good as dead, or is he testing the waters that would give western capital scope to exploit differences between trump and musk? the answer is probably the two but at the moment trump is either talking tough to make it look like he's the real boss by saying he's going to invade panama and greenland and canada, and be an expansionist like putin, or he's just speaking putin and elon's desires. i could never tell which. i just know that trump is not in charge. >> before we go any further, joy, let's just take a step back to your viewers and just remind ourselves, to keep ourselves sane, none of this is normal. right? the beginning of 2025, we should not be on live american television discussing a president-elect press conference where he said he may invade two of our allies.
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right? i a guy who was worried about trump attacking iran, from starting a war with china. i did not have it on my bingo card for war with denmark and panama in 2025. and a guy you said who is supposed to be the no more wars president. i have leftist friends of mine, muslim friends saying well, joe biden and kamala harris have been so hawkish, at least donald trump, he'll the antiwar. he's not even president yet and he said i can't rule out military action against a fellow nato member, denmark. by the way, the national security argument is so absurd to taking greenland because o'connor is in the arctic. i thought russia was trump's pal, i thought tuten was not aggressive. here's an interesting point, what to musk, putin and trump all agree on? don't defend ukraine. just rollover for russia and the argument on the grounds that we shouldn't be involved in foreign wars, we shouldn't be sending our money to ukraine. how much do you think it cost to buy greenland? $1 trillion according to the financial times we pay for that. the whole thing is so absurd we have to keep reminding ourselves and pinching ourselves, that this is not normal, no in a president-elect including george w. bush you basically stole an election and was thicker than any president who came before him, even he
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didn't have a transition like this so we have to keep reminding ourselves that when you talk about this stuff, greenland, panama, wars with allies, this is we are an upside down world. >> we are and it's also hard to discern what it is that some of these men want. elon musk is either just a self- aggrandizing -- you know, he's just talking and he wants to control the world just for his what i own whatever purposes of feeling powerful, because he's bored, right. or he has some bigger picture because you mentioned george soros. he is still banging on and on and on about george soros and all of these conspiracy theories of white replacement theory and its global white replacement theory. it's muslims who are going to suddenly replace all of the europeans and there will be everyone in the uk will be named mohammed and there will be no more johns and jameses and they are spreading that meme, the idea that george soros is somehow funding some secret cabal to replace all of the white europeans with people from syria. that's part of what his push is, too, along with screaming about birth rates in western countries. it's hard to decide what is the overall philosophy but it ain't
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anything good. >> know it ain't anything good and i think you can split it between is he becoming more of a, what's the phrase, red pill but is he radicalizing himself in real-time? ask trump. all these people are like former liberals or centrist, whatever you want to call it. they were not right-wing republicans when they started out, donald trump, elon musk, rfk jr., tulsi gabbard. they were all radicalizing themselves and coming to the same positions as you said, to the prisons and orbans of this world, the greater placement stuff, the anti-muslims of the common theme whether you are in germany or in the u.s. the uk spent the last couple days, 200, 300 times tweeting about muslim gay for gangs and later selling for muslims and labor raping white children. this is not normal. he wrote an article in german and the german newspaper to promote a party aligned with neo-nazis. that's not normal. so i do think it is a mixture
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of the ideological radicalizing but also, let's be honest, these people are very rich people who want low taxes and very little regulation. the you stood up to him in a way that neither american political party has stood up to elon musk. donald trump is trying to make money out of the presidency. we know that. all these guys are in it for themselves at the end of the day. that is a guiding principle for all of them. but musk is running. you'll see how many of the investigations into his companies just go away. >> absolutely. the one thing that you do mention and that i think is important to note is that the eu, one of the things they are much stronger on the in the u.s. is, are rules about this information. and though it's not going to be as easy, he has been trying to break down those rules and has a map but that is a bit more protected, right, that europe actually has rules. >> yes, and he wants to get rid of rules. you just brought up a very important point that i have to say. we're talking about musk and trump but today's most disgraced character in american politics 2035 is mark zuckerberg, who wasn't even
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part of the trump campaign, isn't getting a job in government, but decided to bend the knee, rolled over and advance, ask trump to tickle his belly so he could move his content moderators to texas. he's going to end all fact checking. he sent his republican official on to fox this morning to say how much they love donald trump. this is zuckerberg, another billionaire, multi- multibillionaire who is just watching out for his own bottom line and his own personal advancement. and it's shameful. billionaires are going to fall in line and say i'm scared of donald trump. it's going to be very hard for the rest of us to hold the line. >> you didn't even mention adding dana white to his board. i'm assuming it's a paid board seat, essentially a payoff to a friend. we didn't even get to jeff bezos handing $40 million to melania trump for her biography. it's as if they are just passing money around and the neediest of all, it's always donald trump, the trump family is always with their hands out. they're not the ones handing out money because they don't have it. mehdi hassan, it's always great to see you. happy new year to you, my friend. we appreciate you. have a great night. thank you. coming up, with the women's rights under threat ahead of a trump administration, we take a closer look at how the national archives could play a crucial
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>> are you going to replace this archivist and get somebody who actually protects the legacy of the united states and doesn't persecute political appointment? >> the one who was there was a disaster. it turned out to be wrong.
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well i think i could tell you that we will get somebody, yes. let me just put it -- yeah, we will have a new archivist. >> donald trump's classified documents case began with the national archive, america's official library, alerted the justice department that nearly 3 years ago that trump was hoarding classified documents after leaving the white house. that eventually led to the fbi search of his mar-a-lago home in florida and to trump coming the first former president charged with federal crimes. trump is still a little sore over that would be an understatement so it's not a surprise that he says he wants to replace the head of the national archive for doing their job like they did with every prior administration. the woman he wants to replace is calling shogun, but she was not in the top post at the time the doj was tipped off. the archivist at that time was a man by the name of david ferrero, who retired a few months after reaching out to the doj. show and was only nominated by president joe biden, days before the fbi searched mar-a- lago, and she was not confirmed until the following year. of
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course, none of that matters to trump, who continues to throw temper tantrums over the archive to this day. interesting enough, shogun appears to have been trying to ingratiate herself to trump and to his followers. that includes, as the wall street journal reported, altering some of the exhibits at the national archive museum that start quote sought to emphasize negative parts of u.s. history, like movie references to landmark events like the government's displacement of indigenous tribes in the incarceration of japanese-americans during world war ii .1 change to an exhibit involved swapping a photo of martin luther king jr. marching for civil rights with former president nixon greeting elvis. in part, the alterations were over concern that planned exhibits and educational displays expected to open next year might anger republican lawmakers who shared control of the agency's budget for a potential trump administration. and let's not forget shogun even invited former first lady melania trump to speak at a
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naturalization ceremony at the archive at the end of 2023 point in a statement to the reid out, the national archives at dr. shogun has had a strong working relationship with president trump and his team. we look forward to continuing that relationship with the new administration. but for trump none of that matters. someone has to pay for the mar- a-lago rate and that seems to be dr. shogun, even though she wasn't in charge when it happened. before she gets shown the door, there is one thing she could do to improve the legacy of the national archivist. she could publish the equal rights amendment and formerly recognize it as the 28th amendment to the constitution, making sex-based equality explicit in said constitution for the first time. last month shogan claimed she could not legally certify it due to established legal, judicial, and procedural decision. many argue that not to be the case. president biden could also choose in his final days in office to order her to publish it and make it the 28th
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amendment. i'm just doing -- i'm joined now by jill wine banks, former watergate assistant special prosecutor, msnbc analyst and cohost of the sisters-in-law podcast, one of my favorite podcasts. jill wine banks, the department of justice has one of these memos and this memo said the 28th amendment cannot be published because the deadline passed in the 1970s and therefore only congress can authorize that deadline to be moved. but that memo is in law, right? is -- does that memo mean anything, the legal counsel memo? >> i think that you have it exactly correct, julie. it is only a policy decision. it's an opinion from the department of justice, which of course could review it and alter it, and there is a very strong legal argument that because the timeline that was given was in the preamble and not in the text of the equal rights amendment, that it should have no legal impact,
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that it wasn't what was sent to the states. the states voted on the language of the equal rights amendment, not on the preamble, and therefore the timeline should not count at all. and therefore, it has met all of the requirements. it has been approved by three fourths of all the states and under the article five of the constitution, that's all that it takes, and once three fourths of the states, 38 states ratify, it is the law of the land and it just needs to be published. publishing by the archivist is a ministerial act and she should do it. she does seem to be may be auditioning to stay on under trump, although today he said he was going to fire her, even though, as you pointed out, she is not the one responsible for the search at mar-a-lago because that was her predecessor, not her. but it should be a neutral person anyway. it should not be -- it should
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be someone who follows the law. i think the department of justice should revise the office of legal counsel. there are a lot of scholars who believe that the timeline is not an impactful thing, that it is not effect the of to stop the publication and it's becoming the law of the land. if i could just add, we really need it, especially with the incoming trump administration. you have title ix and title vii that could be white out. you could go back to the time when i graduated law school, before we had those things, i was looking for jobs. i was asked questions like what kind of birth control to use, how many children are you going to have. those are questions that were quite legal back then. women could not get loans without a male countersigned her. we don't want to go back to those days. we don't -- we need to equal rights amendment. i've been fighting for it since
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i lost my hatch act provision, seven 1976, when i left the department of justice, the special prosecutor's office. i've been working for this for almost 50 years and it's time for this to be the law of the land. >> and by the way, phyllis schlafly, those of you who remember phyllis schlafly and have seen the great series about her, this is america, she made it her business to fight against eera, starting in the 1970s. this was before roe, if you aren't familiar with this. it took until the to thousands. i think it was 2014 or something that the 38 state finally ratified, so it's taken decades for it to finally get ratified by the 38 states that require it it now has the 38 states. this is the thing we need to understand. all that's standing between that and being the 28th amendment is joe biden ordering this woman, who is trying -- you are out, you might as well publish it, that's all she has
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to do. >> it would be a wonderful legacy for president biden to have this be the 28th amendment and be effective. and 80% of the public supports the equal rights amendment. it's needed. it's supported. it should be the law. there is no reason for it not to be. i hope that in the next two weeks it happens and that we can go about this feeling that we have protection. in the meanwhile, states must start passing equal rights amendments and i think president biden, at the very least, could encourage states to start doing that. and illinois was way ahead of us on that. other states need to do it. >> amen. let's talk about another story that's happening. judge kuennen, speaking of women, donald trump's favorite pet judge, she has blocked the release of special counsel jack smith report on the criminal case. essentially trump lawyers admitted there is really bad
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stuff in this report. she has blocked it. does she have the authority to do that? this isn't her case anymore. >> it is not her case. she has no jurisdiction. this came out of nowhere. she dismissed the case. is now before the 11th circuit. she said, wrongly, that the appointment of special counsel jack smith was not valid because of ridiculous things. it was a perfectly valid appointment and so she dismissed the case on the grounds that he couldn't prosecute it. that is not proper, but in any event, she's given up her authority over the case. so why is she sticking her nose in this? it's because she wanted to do it. it's one more thing she can do to help president trump. her outcome driven decisions are wrong and she doesn't have the power to do this. i hope the 11th circuit will throw it out and that the supreme court, which will obviously get it from there, will also do the right thing and not allow this to happen. we have a right -- >> [ inaudible ] >> you're right.
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>> we have to hope at least. i can't ask john roberts for anything. i don't trust that man as long as i can throw him. last question, do you inspect donald trump to get sentenced on friday? judge merchan is aerobically insistence and he will be sentencing him. you're a normal person, you get sentenced like a one else but he is throwing everything at the wall at donald trump, trying to go to court, to federal court. is there any court that can stop the sentencing on friday? >> of course there is and it's that same old pesky supreme court that is as outcome driven as judge cannon. they can delay it and if it's delayed, that's a problem. now i don't even see any reason why the president can't be sentenced, even after he is in office. he certainly can't serve a sentence while he's in office, even i believe that. but the judge has also said that he's going to do what is called an unconditional release. he's not going to impose any
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jail time. he's going to impose a sentence but it will be a final decision that can be appealed. that is how the case should end. will i would personally like to see a penalty that other people would get imposed on this person who violates the same law, but this is not an unreasonable thing, and you're right. judge merchan is begin heroic. i want him to be able to do it. i think that he should be able to do it. the appellate judge has said no, i'm not stopping this. donald trump will appeal it to the 12th circuit and then up to the supreme court. >> lord help us. the supreme court at this point is a menace to society. jill wine banks, thank you very much, my friend. much appreciated. coming up, social media is becoming even more unreliable with meta ending its fact checking program to become more like elon musk's x ahead of a trump presidency that will surely be wrought with alternative fax. that should be great, next. gr
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and instagram. >> after trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media roads nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy. we tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of treats but the fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the u.s. >> instead, zuckerberg says they will implement community notes like symptom system similar to what elon musk has on x twitter because that's working out just so well. he also feels the company will undo changes that reduce the amount of political content users see and get rid of restrictions on topics like immigration and gender that are start out of touch with mainstream discourse. and it all comes just one day after zuckerberg announced that dana white, ceo of ultimate fighting championship and a longtime friend of trump, is joining the board of meta. joining you now is congress and
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ro khanna, democrat of california. congressman ro khanna, i didn't even mention, it also comes after meta for the first time decided to give to an inauguration. they never gave. they give nothing in 2021 point they're getting $1 million now, as is open a.i., as is amazon. so it seems like the fix is in. the tech brose have decided they want to go maga. your thoughts. >> first of all, let's talk about the biggest damage meta is doing and that is to our kids. i mean they are feeding eating disorders in algorithms to young people. they are feeding suicidal thoughts to young people and they have opposed to lobbying any efforts against the kids online safety act. and then i am for free speech but free speech doesn't mean that you have sexual harassment and intimidation, and hate speech on a platform. it doesn't mean that you have bots running amok, which aren't even human beings, and they aren't tackling any of that, and it doesn't mean that you have misinformation related to public health that could lead to sickness, disease, and even death. >> but it seems that's what they do mean, though, congressman.
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the anger that the right felt was in part because they want to say conspiracy theories about things like gender and immigration and race, but also this. let me let you listen to meta's chief global affairs officer. he gave an exclusive interview to fox on the phone. this is joel kaplan. >> we got a lot of pressure around covid in particular, to take down more content, even things like humor and satire about the pandemic and about vaccines. so we did experience that kind of pressure. the decisions we made ultimately were our own, but there is a real opportunity here with president trump coming into office, with his commitment to free expression, for us to get back to those values. >> he mentioned the covid vaccine and covid. this is a lot about that, right? the right wants to be able to spread misinformation about the next pandemic unfettered. >> notice what he didn't say in that ". he said it was their indecision. he said we got pressure from who, and why, he has no evidence that there was actually treasure. he said it was their own decision and the reality is,
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when it comes to helping public health, there has long been a doctrine, even under the first amendment, that you can't have the type of misinformation that is going to hurt people's health or hurt the public health. do you want platforms to be giving misinformation about what medicine someone should take for heart disease or what medicine they should take or treatment for cancer? of course these are regulated for the public good. >> yeah. well i think they think misinformation and abuse are there civil rights, so that's what's going to be happening. i do want to give you some time. we know that president carter is lying in state in washington. you have a special connection to him and i wanted to give you an opportunity to share your thoughts on the late president. >> well he is such an antidote to all that we are talking about, about the ostentation of wealth and power. i got to intern for him as a 19- year-old at the carter center in 1996, and went with barbara lee to hear him preach in church, where he said that the
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power of america isn't being a military power. what he hoped a superpower meant is to be a peacemaker. and he's an antidote in his integrity, in his decency, and his lack of ostentation, to the spectacle of politics today. i'm so glad that the country is realizing what a great human being and leader he really was. >> absolutely. i think of the decency and goodness of this man. he also, i think for a lot of people who have been troubled by what christiana, at least on the far right, has represented to the world, he represented the best of christianity as well and just a good, decent man. so he is well missed. congressman ro khanna, thank you. thank you for sharing those memories with us. coming up, how israel's war in gaza, one of the deadliest for children in conflict, promises to intensify during the cold winter months. that's up next. that's up next. we make the most comfortable sock in the history of feet so comfortable
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♪ who knows what tomorrow will bring ♪ (dog whines) ♪ but as for me ♪ (knock at door) ♪ i'll wait and see ♪ ♪ and maybe it'll bring my love to me ♪ ♪ who knows ♪ ♪ who knows ♪ 2024 was one of the worst years on record for children in conflict. the spokesperson for unicef, the united nation's agency for children, said gaza is certainly one of the worst, if not the most dangerous places to be a child, given the staggering death toll, the number of children affected, and effect that almost the entire child population has been displaced at least once in the past 15 months. doctors without borders also
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says gaza is the most dangerous place in the world to be a child . with many young people there lacking access to basic needs like food, water, and electricity. of course, several other conflicts are ravaging countries and regions and have catastrophic impacts on children, as well. they include sudan, haiti, myanmar and the democratic republic of congo, as well as the crisis in west africa, somalia, south sudan, yemen and syria. but for gaza's children, their suffering has attracted the world and even the united nations attention, seemingly to no avail. joining me now is sunna abeyta, executive director of doctors without borders canada, and thank you so much for being here. talk to me about what you're really wonderful workers have seen in gaza and what is your outlook for how things are getting better, worse, changing? >> thank you, joy, for having me. we've put this outlook very
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recently in a comprehensive report called gaza, life in a death trap, and this is really our collective howl of outrage. it's an escalation for the urgent need for a cease-fire. for the past four months our teams are witnessing firsthand that this is the war with no rules and that gaza remains a place where there is no place safe to run anymore. palestinians young and old are being killed in their homes. they're killed in hospital beds, something our colleagues have to witness on a regular basis, as well. hospital infrastructures are at their limits point the few that are left behind that are barely functional. the last numbers we have, it's over 44.5 thousand people dead and 90% of the population is displaced, time and again, including our colleagues. what we are seeing in the northern parts of gaza, joy, are unmistakable signs of what we are calling ethnic cleansing.
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our firsthand reports and observations of the medical and the humanitarian catastrophe aligned with descriptions from legal experts that are concluding that genocide is taking place in gaza. these mass killings, the injuries, the forced displacement, unbearable conditions of this suffocating siege are undeniable. and we are telling it like it is and laying bare the brutal reality in this report. >> and i will point from the report, and this is from nbc news reporting. there are clear signs of ethnic cleansing, as you said, by israel as they wage this war in gaza, according to a report from doctors without borders, human rights watch in a separate report accused israeli authorities of water for drinking and sanitation. washington post reports seven infants have died from the cold in recent weeks in gaza. gaza health ministry says displaced family struggle to find refuge from the elements. it feels so hopeless, i have to be honest. it feels incredibly hope this but sometimes the world kind of
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needs jarring concrete information in order to act. there is controversy about whether this would be called a genocide or whether it would be called ethnic cleansing. does doctors without borders have a view on that? >> i can tell you the reality on the ground today, joy, is the palestinians living this on a daily basis, i don't think that matters to them. what matters to them is that for the past few months alone, a month ago people were dealing with high level food insecurity. people were resorting to eating animal feed, drinking dirty water, eating grass, not having food or being forced not to give their children food for days. those conditions, regardless of how you defined them, are undeniable, and they continue to exist and are exacerbated today. the u.n. latest survey by the u.n. finds that 80% of households have shown that at least one child has not eaten
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for the past three days in their households prior to their survey. the statistics are alarming and i think that's really what we should be calling the attention to. >> what is needed and can it even get to them? can aid even get to gaza at this point? >> that's a good question. we have been calling for a peaceful passage, a safe passage for aid to get in. there were designated corridors through which supplies can come in. what little amount is coming in is really just a drop in the ocean of needs that exists in gaza and are continuing to exacerbate. we've been talking about the winter months that are sitting in on gaza. last year as well, gazans were dealing with harsh conditions of the winter. at that time, though, there were still some buildings that
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existed where people could take shelter in. what our colleagues are telling us today is that so much of that infrastructure is completely destroyed. all that's left is tents and makeshift tents that people are putting up, trying to withstand the elements of nonstop rains, of freezing temperatures. and what we are seeing coming in, into hospitals that we support or that we run in our own capacities, is the pediatric units are full, the nicu units are full. 325 incidents alone were brought in, in just the last two months, 2 to 3 months, joy, to one of our supported hospitals, al nasser hospital, showing signs directly related to not being able to handle the cold temperatures that they are seeing in gaza. >> the helplessness of the world is a shame on the world. the helplessness as we see these images, it is shameful. we should all be ashamed that this is happening before our eyes and we can see it and can't do anything about it. it is horrific but we thank you so much, son a big. thank you for telling us.
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we need to know and we cannot allow this to happen without comments and without us at least bearing witness. thank you so much. and coming up, remembering jimmy carter, enduring legacy as he returns to washington for a final time. flush
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throughout his life and career, jimmy carter retained a fundamental decency and
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humility. james earl carter jr. loved our country per go he lived his faith. he served the people and he left the world better than he found it. >> at this moment, former president jimmy carter lies in state at the u.s. capitol. earlier, house speaker mike johnson and incoming senate leader john soon spoke to those attending and vice president kamala harris delivered a eulogy. while president biden is expected to be the eulogy thursday morning during the formal state funeral at washington national cathedral. carter, the longest lived president in u.s. history, died last week at the ripe old age of 100. elected in the shadow of watergate, he was the 39th president of a country that was growing more conservative. carter prioritized climate change and energy and was a powerful voice for equality and
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racial reconciliation. throughout his presidency, though his presidency would be shadowed by high gas prices and the iranian hostage crisis, he is considered by some as one of our most consequential modern residents when it comes to the quest for peace in the middle east as well is our most humanitarian former president. and in 2002, he received a nobel peace prize for his decades of work as a global humanitarian, including his pursuit of an end to the middle east conflict. jimmy carter's extended public farewell paid homage to a life spanning 100 years, from a georgia peanut farmer and u.s. navy veteran and georgia governor, to the first president born in the deep south since the civil war and actually the first president born in a hospital. starting this hour, members of the public are planning to pay their respects. may he rest in peace. peace.

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