tonight, president carter lies in state. a historic day in washington as congressional leaders eulogized former president jimmy carter in the u.s. capitol rotunda. members of both parties praised the 39th president's work in office, faith, and volunteerism. he will lie in state through thursday morning when there will be a service at the washington national cathedral. president biden is expected to deliver the eulogy at president carter's request. and on that very solemn note, i wish you a very good night. we will need to take a deep breath on that one. glad to do it together. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. a fire is burning out of control in the pacific palisades of los angeles.

that fast moving fire is being fueled by a wind storm that has produced gusts of 50 to 70 miles per hour. as of right now, the fire has already burned more than 1300 acres of land. with the wind speed expected to peak tonight between 10:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. local time so there is real significant fear this fire could continue to spread and spread rapidly. around 30,000 residents at the pacific palisades and the surrounding areas have already been evacuated. one resident told the la times the fear was moving so quickly that police started yelling for people to abandon their cars and telling residents to run for your lives. the la times is reporting that firefighters could be heard telling dispatchers over the radio as many as 100 abandoned vehicles were blocking the road. authorities had to use a bulldozer to move the parked cars out of the way in order to let the firefighters through. right now, there are no reports

of injuries or deaths but several structures have been destroyed and the fire is continuing to grow. joining me now is chase cain, an nbc news national climate reporter in the pacific palisades. thank you for doing this reporting. i know you are right in harm's way. can you give us a sense of what the situation is like at this hour? >> the scene you were providing where people were abandoning their cars in the road, that is sunset boulevard. i know it is a bit of a black hole. they turned off the power. that road you are looking at is sunset boulevard and you might see on the horizon it looks like embers may have kicked back up and started a fire again. i was with my producer trying to make our way down here to where we are now. when the road became gridlocked. one direction was people trying to get out and people in the opposite direction to their

homes. we realized the fire had come down to the famous sunset boulevard and yeah. police and firefighters are saying either stay in your car or get out of your car so we saw people walking up the sidewalk. people evacuating their homes carrying what they could. it has been a heartbreaking situation. i have covered dozens of wild fires. i lived in los angeles for a while. i have never seen a fire move this quickly and in such a densely populated area. the fact at least no residents have been injured is a miracle. there was a firefighter met by an ambulance here. seemed like he was okay. these folks are risking their lives. it is a transformer up on the ridge line. we have seen people with flashlights going through.

a couple of apartment and condo buildings trying to make sure no one is in there as police and fire continue to sweep this area. as everyone is doing what they can. it is impossible to fire contain a fire that is 50, 60, 70 miles per hour. gusting up to 80 or 100. that's a hurricane force wind gust. >> the speed with which this is intensified is just staggering. i think earlier today, at 10:30 a.m., california time, there were just a few acres burning by this afternoon, it is 1200 acres. i would imagine the rapid spread of this has led to some of that chaos with people abandoning their cars. can you tell us what the evacuation area is like? with the wind gusts up to 100 miles per hour expected tonight? >> at least 30,000 people

expected to evacuate. it seems like we are in this dark place, but we are right near santa monica. it would typically be within eyesight of the pier everyone knows. malibu is just to the left of your screen. this is a densely populated area and we are calling it the palisades fire. but it is not just one fire burning contained. with winds like this, it doesn't take a lot of imagine to understand how it grabs one ember. it might be a tree. might be brush, might be a car parked on sunset. it is hard to get a handle on how bad the damage is. this is developing so rapidly. >> chase, stay safe, you are

indispensable in moments like this. i'm going to jacob who is also in pacific palisades. i know this is your hometown and i know californians are used to wild fires. it is wild fire years. this seems like a different order of magnitude. can you talk to me about what you are experiencing? >> reporter: seems like we are in a permanent state of wild fire season. but not like this. not like this. this is pacific palisades california. it's also the place i was born and raised. you were watching will rogers state historic park burn. and on the other side of that bridge is palisades village. it is the center of the community of 23 years. 12,000 people who lived and worked and played in this beautiful part of the city of

los angeles. thousands of homes w. the fire started this morning up near the palisades highlands, there are very few ways in and out. that is where you hear about the cars being jammed up. getting in, getting out. the bulldozers you saw earl nor this evening pushing cars out of the way. this is in between the brentwood portion of los angeles and where the palisades village is. you get down to the corner of pacific coast highway and sunset. i just actually saw for the first time, maybe embers coming in this direction because the wind continues to shift. the wind is going essentially in a southwesterly direction. let's show alex real quick.

we have another service emergency vehicle. this is not just la city fire on this. this is a mutual aid type of situation. i have seen los angeles firefighters. city of santa monica. the los angeles police department. thousands of officers strong is on the city wide tactical alert tonight. you hear about that in volatile situations. when i say it is different. that is because we are used to wild fires in malibu canyon. i don't want to minimize it, homes are destroyed and people's lives are up ended and sometimes ended. not in a place where there were tens of thousands of people living in los angeles, never in my lifetime can i remember standing in pacific palisades and having the entire community evacuated as much of this part of los angeles burns tonight. tomorrow morning will be a

bleak scene here and we haven't seen the beginning of it with winds expected to reach the peaks later tonight here alex. >> jacob, give me a sense of what it is like to be in the greater los angeles area now. we are hearing reports of absolute chaos and evacuated areas, people abandoning their cars. bulldozed out of the way. people told by police and first responder to run for their lives. i understand that is probably at the center of all of this. but in the surrounding areas, and not just malibu, but santa monica, la central, can you talk about the level of fear and panic? i know you are just on the scene now. set the scene for us. >> the road here, one way on the los angeles freeway. completely gridlocked coming from our nbc news headquarters

at universal studios. we were coming to make our way to the west side of la. people going as fast and far as they can away from this part of town. when you heard about the scenes earlier today that resulted in those cars being abandoned on the roads, it's because of the bottleneck created by the developments in places like the palisades high lands and the top of streets like bienvenido. as a young guy growing up in los angeles, there are very few ways out. there are fire roads but those fire roads too become gridlocked or impassable. so what people did at the beginning of this fire storm and i think that is the only way to describe it, is to get out of their cars in places like sunset boulevard, outside of places like israel temple. and just start walking. because it is a terrifying sight to behold. to stand here and watch this. i don't quite have the words to

describe to you what it is like to stand here. looking back at will rogers park and that is just a small portion of the fire burning here tonight. when i arrived at this part of the scene, that was a small fire that was just starting to burn. the course of the last hour or so i have stood here, it has just exploded and look to be exploding in all directions. that is why i said if there is anybody at home watching msnbc right now, and you live in pacific palisades or any of the places where there is mandatory evacuation, get up and get out of the house, if you are inside, you are not feeling these winds now. and you could probably see, we know the santa ana winds here that go out toward the coast. but this like is like a tinderbox right now. >> jacob, you are doing some essential reporting my friend. it has probably made all the more complicated this is your hometown and you grew up in

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donald trump. >> the panama canal is a disgrace. what took place at the panama canal. jimmy carter gave it to them for one dollar. they were supposed to treat us well. i thought it was a terrible thing to do. >> in a rambling press conference, he attacked carter's legacy while carter's body was literally on its way to the capitol to a city prepareing to honor carter's life. that fight with a recently deceased president has a lot to do with trump's newfound fixation on territorial expansion that led to a bizarre declaration that the u.s. should regain control of the panama canal. to understand what is going on in trump's mind, you have to go back to january 9, 1964. exactly 61 years ago this week. at the time, anti-american riots had broken out in panama in part over u.s. control over the panama canal. that conflict sparked more than a decade of very careful

diplomacy which spanned the administrations of four presidents with the goal of handing control of the panama canal over to the people of panama. for most of that time, negotiations in washington were serious and they were bipartson. democrats and republicans were largely aligned with the plan to negotiate a fair treaty to hand over control of the canal. a senator by the name of joseph biden called the panama canal the last vestige of u.s. imperialism. the u.s. was in the final stages of negotiating a treaty with panama's leader in 2006. but right around that time, some enterprising far right conservatives realized they could use the panama canal to gen up nationalist anger. anger among the american public. they began arguing america

should leave the negotiations and keep control of the panama canal. and that movement then found a very charismatic messenger. >> the panama canal's own sovereign united states territory just as much as alaska is, as well as the states carved from the louisiana purchase. we bought it, we paid for it, and general turio should be told we are going to keep it. >> ronald reagan became the american avatar for the movement to keep the panama canal. he was contesting gerald ford's nomination as the republican candidate in the 1976 election and reagan made it a central issue of his campaign. reagan lost that primary to ford and ford lost to jimmy carter but the issue did not go away and neither did ronald

reagan. the task of finalizing the agreement fell in president carter's lap and reagan laid the foundation for his next presidential run by challenging president carter at every step. reagan gave public speeches and testified before congress. he even held a public debate with fellow conservative william f. buckley over the merits of keeping the panama canal. but in 1977, president carter signed the treaty and that handed over control of the panama canal. >> we are here to participate in the signing of treaties which will assure a peaceful and prosperous and secure future for an international waterway of great importance to us all. but the treaties do more than that. they mark the commitment of the united states to the belief that fairness and not force should lie at the heart of our

dealings with the nations of the world. >> fairness, not force. it was a powerful statement by president carter. but by that point, the issue had gone from a matter of diplomacy to a full blown wedge issue. there were protests outside the white house. and that movement was part of the coalition that helped propel ronald reagan to victory over jimmy carter in the 1980 presidential race. and yet, despite reagan's crusade, it remained in place throughout his presidency. but it wasn't that popular while he was in office. but the germ, that idea lived on in the minds of other populist minded conservatives and so today, as we prepare to reenter the presidential administration of a man whose

world view seems stubbornly stuck in the 1970s and 80s , we are relitigating one of the most cynical debates in foreign policy. and because this is donald trump we are dealing with, the foolish imperial ambitions go way beyond just panama. >> we need greenland for national security purposes. people really don't even know if denmark has any legal right to it. but if they do, they should give it up because we need it for national security. >> donald trump wants to take greenland. you may recall he toyed with the idea of buying greenland during his first presidential administration though the nation of denmark says it has less than zero interest in handing it over to the united states. remember, greenland has been under danish control since the year 1814 which is well before the period of the 1980s where jump's brain is apparently stuck. nonetheless, the president's

son don jr. landed there to keep speculation about the supposed american takeover alive. and in his press conference today, trump refused to rule out the idea of using military force to acquire both greenland and the panama canal. though you should make of that what you will. the origins of his greenland scheme are younger and dumber than trump's panamaian fibbingation. trump was first put on fixation. he was put on the idea by his friend lauder. trump was so obsessed with the greenland idea in his first administration that it absorbed the national security council staff for months. and part of his fixation may

have stemmed from failing to understand how maps work. he said look at the size of this. it's massive. that should be part of the united states. okay, now if you look at map of greenland it does appear to be massive but not because it is actually massive or even approaching the size of the united states. it is because the earth is a sphere. so when you lay them out on a flat map, they are stretched out to look bigger than they are. greenland is a large territory, but it is not nearly as big as it appears on a flat map. yet donald trump appear to have become obsessed with the idea of acquiring greenland and maybe using the u.s. military to do so because greenland looks massive. that is the level american foreign policy is about to be operating on. he also reiterated a desire to make canada the 51st american

state. something canadians have no interest in. and trump wants to rename the gulf of mexico the gulf of america because he thinks that sounds better. all of this is obviously ridiculous and in many ways it is a distraction from the things trump could actually do as president. but the idea behind this territorial expansion is very serious. as reagan proved 50 years ago, the concept of america as an expansive global empire can be an intoxicating political force. while buying greenland may be a fantasy, powerful nations like russia and china are trying to expand their territorial control at all costs. and america will have to decide if it wants to be on the side of sovereignty and self- determination or whether it want to be on the side of imperial expansion. however unhinged that expansion may be. a choice as the late jimmy carter said between fairness or force.

joining me now is congressman jim himes. democrat from connecticut and ranking member on the house intelligence committee. thank you for being here on this extraordinary day. let me get your reaction to trump's territorial lust over canada, greenland, and the panama canal. >> alex, you know, as the election results became clear, i swore to myself i would not chase every single shiny object. but i will for you i will do this. i will jump into the romper room of things that will never happen. i want us to realize why this is all happening we are not going to take greenland by force or get canada as the 51st state or rename the gulf of mexico. so why is the president talking about that? the answer to that question of course is as i sit here in washington dc in ways and means conference rooms, republicans

are putting together tax cut bill that's deliver hundreds of billions of tax cuts to corporations and the wealthiest americans. this is at odds with the campaign that the president- elect ran. as we sit here right now, there are rooms full of people thinking about how to cut regulations that keep our water clean. and our air clean. so what we are talking about are things that are never going to happen. tinfoil and fireworks designed to distract us from the fact the president-elect is going to completely fail to deliver on the economic promises that he offered people with a lot of economic anxiety. i'm prepared to engage on the question of greenland and the panama canal. >> well, and i'm the first one to point out that a lot of this seems totally unhinged. which is what i said earlier. but i think there is something significant about territorial expansion at all costs and the

comparison to russia and china was not made in jest. and we are talking denmark which is a nato ally. greenland which has military bases. the panama canal where we ship goods and canada that is a huge trading partner and ally of the united states. the rhetoric is pitched and kind of insane. the idea the incoming president of the united states is talking about military action to take canada, yes. it is a romper room of sorts but i do think there is probably some repercussions to angering allies with rhetoric like this. >> okay. let's do it. it ain't doing the happen. denmark is a critical ally of ours. no panama government would survive returning it to the united states. why don't rereturn the suez canal to the british or the friends or it will the british

reclaim the railways they built in india? you did a good job of covering the history of the panama canal. you didn't mention teddy roosevelt and his guys created the nation of panama in order, stole it from colombia in order to create the panama canal. long imperial history here that is actually, and again, let's do it. it was very painful for latin americans. the gulf of mexico, does mexico matter to us? yes it does. if mexico is up with us, they will not help with the southern border. this stuff does have consequences. now here is my guess. my guess is the government nordean governors know most of what donald trump does and says is noise. it is the 20% of what he says and does that is not noise you

have to worry about. >> despite the fact marjorie taylor green introduced a bill to rename the gulf of mexico the gulf of america. i do think, you know, as trump talks about expanding america's power, he is doing something very concerted at the same time. he talked about a $40 billion foreign investment. he has put a for sale sign on count this country ironically. i wonder about your upons on his unwinding any sort of pesky regulations that may get in the way of foreign investment in the u.s. >> yeah. well you know, we have pretty well established mechanisms to make sure the foreign investment here in the united

states is not a national security threat. their job is to make sure this sort of investment doesn't put at risk our national security. by the way, we are having a pretty ugly conversation about national security. when the current president refuses to let nippon steel by u.s. steel and does it on national security reasons though japan is probably our most important ally. it is a little built of a romper room here in washington, i hope at some point we recognize as the single most powerful country on the planet, as much fun as it will be to over turn a bunch of apple cats we need to be a responsible actor on the global stage and start acting that weakened and

hopefully the president communicating that's who we are. >> congressman, thank you for joining me tonight. appreciate your time sir.. i will turn now to claire mccascel. i actually thought about you as i was listening to this press conference from donald trump. let me get your thoughts generally about this feels like the beginning of the trump presidency part two in all of its splendor. >> yeah. and i kind of agree with the congressman. i do think there are things he is doing to distract. but underneath it, it is concerning because the deal is our country has always been seen as the grown-up on the international stage. we have been seen as the country that can do elections fairly. that has a rule of law administered without political threats that actually helps our

allies and stands up to bullies across the world. and donald trump has campaigned really in a way that blows all that up. he has never been respectful of our allies and it is weird to me you start your presidency by picking fights with your border countries whether it is canada or mexico. both of these countries are very important to the united states. in lots of different ways. trade. national security. shipping. the movement of goods. all of those things. they matter. and, to pick a fight before you even take the oath of office with countries that need, that we need to be our friends, i really think this idea that he want to be putin and try to expand to areas where the

people don't want it is not a good step forward to the united states. >> for the american, incoming american president to be saying this at the same time that russia is trying to take ukraine, and has been for some time, and the chinese are doing what they are doing. at this moment in time to say that in this geo political climate seems deeply distressing not just for geo politics at large but for what you said. for what america has represented and the signal this sends to autocrats and dictators around the world. it's i want to be like you. >> exactly. and nobody believes that we will go to war with denmark. we're not going to do that. nobody believes we are going to war with the panama canal. that's not going to happen.

but it is setting a tone that he thinks helps him which is to be unpredictable. unreliable. that press conference was one entire giant fact check of lies. so many things he said weren't true. from the trade deficit, the fact europe doesn't take our cars to all of the nonsense he always says about inflation is at the highest ever which of course is not true. there are a million thinks he said that were lies. and to throw in there i will go to war with denmark over greenland seem to be a throw away. pay attention to what they are up to. they may have done a show bill

that we need to deport people illegally who violate our laws. most americans agree with that. but the real thing they are working on is making sure that his billionaire bros and his billionaire friends get their tax breaks. and that's not the folks coming to his rally but the folks slipping him a million dollars at mar-a-lago. >> thank you claire. we have much more to get to, tonight including mark zuckerberg's huge gift to donald trump, but first, trump has a few legal hurdles to clear and we will get to those with joyce vance coming up next. vance coming up next. (♪♪) (♪♪) voltaren... for long lasting arthritis pain relief. (♪♪) where ya headed?

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in the remaining two weeks before donald trump officially becomes president again, he is still confronting very live issues in court including whether or not he will be sentenced in new york city after being found guilty on 34 felony counts this past may. an appeals court judge rejected trump's emergency bid to postpone his sentencing in that case which means that donald trump will be sentenced this friday. unless a federal court or the united states supreme court steps in. at the same time, trump is trying to fight the release of special council jack smith's

two volume report describing smith's decisions to charge trump for hording classified documents at mar-a-lago and efforts to overturn the 2020 election. judge aileen cannon issued an order blocking the release of his report until the court of appeals rules on the matter. joining me now is joyce vance. it is great to see you. i'm eager to hear your assessment. first of all, the time line we are talk about here with the 11th circuit and whether you think they will make a decision before inauguration day. >> it's a great question. before we get to the 11th circuit, there is a problem with this order that judge cannon issued this afternoon. she arguably has no jurisdiction. but she has already dismissed the case. and judges can't act on cases in front of them. it looks like the defendant's

lawyers figured that out because they filed a supplemental motion asking to refer it back to judge cannon hoping they can holden to this favorable ruling she issued. the whole question is how quickly is the 11th circuit inclined to act? we have seen them move very quickly. that has been my experience. that in the right case, they will step in and rule so we may well see something from them. >> if they don't choose to act, if they don't issue a ruling and wait until after inauguration day, it is basically a wash right? because then the matter gets settled at the doj. if they want the report released, presumably the best outcome, there will be new management and management that by the way is made up of lawyers that have defended trump in these very cases.

>> absolutely. this is a delay game for trump. all he has to do is get past inauguration day and he can shelve the report so doj's move is to get cannon's order vacated. if the 11th circuit vacates it, that she lacks jurisdiction, they free to go ahead with the release. she never had the january 6th case in front of her. it would be a real gamble for the justice department to release at least the january 6th part of the report despite the existence of this order. but it is a real hash for doj knowing their work will disappear if they don't get a court to permit them to release the material before trump takes over. >> what happens to the report if it doesn't get released? if it stays within the confines of the doj, is there a chance it could get leaked? someone in archives that could be persuaded to flush it down the toilet?

what happens? >> so there is a records retention policy inside of doj that requires these records be retained. i have a lot of old cases that were retained at least ten years. you are not permitted to destroy government records. how that would hold up in this situation, we don't know. doj is not the place one thinks of, being full of leakers. talking about leaks at the tail end of the trump administration. i would hope although it would be painful to see it happen, folks at doj would not let donald trump corrupt their practices. we know a lot about the january 6th case and some about the mar- a-lago case. this is less important than standing on principle this one

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governments and lessees media have pushed to sensor more and more. a lot of this is clearly political. after trump was elected the legacy media talked about how trump was a threat to democracy. the fact checker haves been too politically biased and destroyed more trust than they created especially in the u.s. >> today, facebook founder and meta ceo mark zuckerberg made an announcement tailor made for donald trump. >> we will get rid of fact checkers and replace them with community notes similar to x starting in the u.s. >> meta is getting rid of its fact checking partners that moderated the content on its site including instagram and facebook. now instead of having trained fact checkers, meta will move toward content moderation via community votes. joining me now is charlie

warzel who covers media and technology at the atlantic. i am surprise mark zuckerberg didn't make the announcement in a red maga cap. the intention seems obvious. he is moving them to texas from california where i guess everything is more neutral and unbiased and is also bringing dana white, trump's ufc buddy, onto the board of directors of meta. what is your reaction to all of this and what it signals? >> he did send joe caplin, the republican operative now head of policy at meta onto fox news to announce it to donald trump so he kind of did what you were saying. i think this is a complete and total capitulation to the trump administration. but also to the general sort of political wins and the wins of discourses as he describes it

earlier today. i think he feels the election is some kind of vote of no confidence in the legacy media and anything that could be broadly defined as woke and he wants to get out ahead of that and turn facebook or meta producing into x like elon musk. >> the elon musk of it all seems to loom large. i wonder how much emulating elon musk is in the back of zuckerberg's mind. what this does to the spread of information. i know some people think community notes while deeply flawed is probably the best model that maybe x at least could use to try to mitigate some of the garbage on the internet. that are your thoughts? >> on x, community note is the best thing elon musk has done.

there is broadly a lot of good stuff there. a lot of people pushing back. often they push back on elon musk and sometimes those just disappear so it all depends on how the platform chooses to enforce this type of thing. as far as the broader scale issues it is too early to tell what is going to happen. we have already seen what does happen when they just let things run amok. these fact checkers didn't show up because the legacy media wrote about it. there were reports facebook published about its own involvement in the rohingya genocide in myanmar. there are real issues here. the election interference stuff wasn't just made up by the mainstream media or democrats. this actually happened and needed to be investigated. >> i will say just the woke content mediators zuckerberg is talking about are people from

usa today who have been champions of really straight down the line fact checking and reporting so the contention that they are somehow part of the woke mass is a canard. i will also say amazon, jeff bezos is paying $40 million to license a documentary about melania trump. the ring kissing knows no prize tag. charlie, thanks for your time, sir. we'll be right back. r. we'll be right back. h iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. ( ♪♪ ) my name is jaxon, and i have spastic cerebral palsy. it's a mouthful. one of the harder things is the little things that i need help with:

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before we go tonight, we have an update on the news out of california where governor gavin newsom has now declared a state of emergency as a fast moving spread of fires has moved over 2,900 acres of los angeles, twice the number of

acres we reported earlier this hour. this fire is fueled by intense winds that are only expected to get stronger overnight. this is a dense urban area. this is los angeles, california. this fire has already forced more than 30,000 residents to evacuate and there are more than 10,000 structures at risk. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, alex. i started following the los angeles fire earlier today. i was just in the actual fire zone last week. i have friends, loved ones pulling things out of their homes in the evacuation zones. some of them didn't have time. we'll be covering it during this hour. bob goldman, who is a former los angeles fire department official, just said on the

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