of control in los angeles and the fast-moving fire is being fueled by a wind storm that has produced gusts of 50, 70 miles per hour as of right now the fire has already burned or than 1300 acres of land with wind speed is expected to peak tonight between 10:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. local time. there is significant fear the fire could continue fire could continue continue to spread and spread rapidly. around 30,000 residents of the pacific palisades and the surrounding areas have already been evacuated. one resident told the l.a. times the fire was moving so quickly that police started yelling for people icto abandon their cars d telling residents to run for your lives. the l.a. times is also reporting firefighters could be heard telling dispatchers over the radio that as many as 100 abandoned vehicles are blocking the road. you can see right here that authorities had to use a bulldozer to move the parked

cars out of the way in order to let the firefighters through. right t now there are no report of injuries or deaths, but orseveral structures have been destroyed, and the fire is continuing to grow. joining me now is chase kane. i know you're right in the middle of harm's way here. can you give us what the situation is like this hour? >> reporter: alex, the scene you were x,just describing where people were abandoning their cars in the middle of the road, that's sunset boulevard behind me. there's not a lot to see because they've turned off power. that road you're looking at is sunset boulevard and on lthe horizon it looks like fire, some embers may have picked back up and started a fire again. i was actually with my producer trying to wmake our way down he to where we are now where the road became gridlocked. in one direction it was people to evacuate from their homes and in the other direction

it was people trying to get to their homes. we realized that was the scene, the hefire had come down the si of the hill, down sunset boulevard. the famous sunset boulevard people know across the country. police were telling people, listen, stay in your car, and we saw people walking up the sidewalk, and other people carrying what they could in their arms. i've covered dozens of wildfires in los angeles for a while. i've never seen a wildfire that has moved this quickly and in such a densely populated area. i mean, the fact that at least no residents have been injured is certainly a miracle, although in just the last few minutes there was a firefighter there was injured and met by an ambulance here just behind me. it seemed like he's okay.me it did not seem like it was going to be anything too serious. these folks are out here risking their lives. as i just heard, i don't know, if you can hear t on the microphone, another pop. it's probably another

transformer up on the ridge line there. we've seen dgpeople with flashlights going through. that's like apartment buildings or condos on the hillside. we've seen people going through with flashlights trying to make sure no one is in there as police and fire continue to sweep this area making sure they're out of harms way and doing e what they can because is almost impossible to contain a fire when you have winds 50, 60, 70 miles an hour and overnight gusting over 100.ov that's a hurricane gust. >> 10:30 a.m. california time there were just a few acres burning. by erthis afternoon it's 1,200 acres. i would imagine the rapid spread of agthis has led to some of th chaos of people abandoning their cars, being told to run for betheir lives. can you tell us what the evacuation process is like right now and uahow wide the evacuati area is given what you said the wind gusts of anywhere from between 50 to 100 miles per hour

that are expected tonight? >> at least 30,000 people have been told to evacuate, alex. i know it's hard to tell because it probably seems we're in this dark place, but we're right here in santa monica as the winds tapick up and howl again. and santa monica would typically be niwithin eyesight of the fams pier. this is a really densely populated a area, and we're calling d it the palisades fire but it's not just one fire burning contained. it's actually lots of little fires. with wind like this it doesn't take d a lot of imagination to understand how it grabs one ember. and whatever it grabs catches on fire it might be a tree, houses aup here on the ridge line, at least a couple dozen homes. it's really cohard for them to t a handle on exactly how bad the damage is because this is developing daso rapidly -- devolving so rapidly, i should say, alex. >> chase, please stay safe.

thank you for that excellent reporting. you are indispensable in moments like this. i'm going to go now to jacob soboroff also in pacific palisades. jacob, i know this is your hometown and something the governor has referred to as not towildfire season but wildfire years in the state of california. this seems like a different msmagnitude entirely. can you talk about what you're experiencing? >> reporter: well said, alex. ngit seems we're in a permanent state of wildfire season in southern california, but not like this.or this is pacific palisades, california. as you pamentioned it also happs to be the place i was born and raised up over that ridge rightt there. you are watching will rogers state historic park burn. and on the other side of that ridge is palisades village where it's the center of the community of 23 or so thousand people who live and work or play in this very beautiful part of the city of ullos angeles.

it's a community with multiple schools, restaurants, thousands and thousands of homes, and up near the palisades islands, there are very few ways in and out. that's why you heard about the cars being jammed up, people having a hard time getting in, getting out. those bulldozers you saw in the images earlier this evening pushing cars out of the way here for sunset boulevard. the people where i'm standing right now is between the brentwood section of los angeles d and palisades village. you get to the corner of sunset and pacific coast high we're, which ghis where that staging aa is which where governor newsom briefed the assembled media today and made those remarks. i think i saw for the first time -- tell me if i'm wrong guys -- in this direction because the wind continues to shift. let's just show alex real quick.

we've got another emergency service vehicle coming through right now. this is probably the 10th or 11th one i've seen so far. that one is from engine 71 los angeles city paramedic. this is mutual aid type of situation. i've seen los angeles county firefighters out here.te city of santa monica personnel, the los angeles police department, thousands of officers strong. there's is a itissy wide tactical alert tonight. you hear that sometimes in situations involving protests and things like that, but not usually for a wildfire of this nature. when i say it's different, that is because we're used to wildfires out in places like malibu or malibu canyon where -- and i don't want to minimize it but homes are destroyed and peoples lives are up ended and sometimes ended, but not in a place where there's tens of thousands of people living in los angeles. never in my lifetime can i remember standing in pacific palisades and having the entire

hacommunity evacuated, as much this part of los angeles burns tonight. tomorrow morning is going to be a bleak scene here, and we haven't even seen the beginning of it with winds expecting to reach those peaks later tonight here, alex. >> jake, give me a sense what it's like to be in the greater los angeles area right now. because gwe're hearing reportsf chaos in evacuated areas, cars abandoned on the road, bulldozed out of the way so firefighters can pass, people being told by police and pefirst responders t run for potheir lives. i understand that's probably at the center of all of this, but in l the surrounding areas, and not just malibu but santa monica, in l.a. central, i mean can you talk about the level of fear, the level of panic, the evacuations. i know you're pjust on the sce right now. anecdotally speaking, set the scene for us, if you could. >> reporter: the road here it

was like coming from our headquarters at nbc studios was completely open. not a soul was driving in our direction as we were coming to make our way here to the west side wof l.a. people are going as far as they can, as fast as they can away from this part of town. when you heard about the scenes earlier today that resulted in those cars being abandoned on the roads, it's because of the usbottleneck created by those developments in places like palisades islands and bonito hill where i lived, as a young guy growing up in los angeles, there are very few ways out. and those fire roads sometimes too become gridlocked or sometimes impassable. so what people did at the beginning of this desire form, and i think that's the only way to describe it is get out of e thar cars in places like suns boulevard, places like -- temple in the middle of pacific palisades and just start walking because it's a terrifying sight

to behold, to stand here and to watch this. i don't -- i don't quite have the words to describe to you what it's like to be standing here in this part called the palisades riveria and looking back a at will rodders park and knowing that's just a small portion of the fire burning here tonight. and it continues -- when i got to this location, alex, and arrived here at this part of the scene, that was a small fire just starting to burn. and over the course of the last hour e i've stood here, it seem to explode in all directions. i said to chris if there's anybody where you live in pacific palisades or anywhere there's a mandatory evacuation, get up and out of your house right now. because if you're inside, you're not feeling these winds right t now, and you can probably see them blowing like we don't often experience. we know the santa ana winds here, but this place is like a tinderbox right now. >> jake, you're doing essential

reporting, my friend. this is probably made all the more complicated this is your hometown and you grew up in ipacific palisades. we have a lot more to get to tonight. donald trump may or may o not b serious about wanting to acquire territory from countries that do not ntwant to give it to him, b his preoccupation with greenland in particular has an absolutely crazy origin story, which we are going to dig into coming right up next. stay with us. ig into coming rigt up next. stay with us

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today the casket carrying the remains of the late president jimmy carter was transported from georgia to washington, d.c. in preparation for carter's official state funeral later this week. that solemn occasion is coming as president carter's legacy has just been thrust back into the news by incoming president

donald trump. >> the panama canal is a disgrace, what took place at the panama canal. jimmy carter gave it to them for $1, and they were supposed to treat us well. i thought it was a terrible thing to do. >> in a rambling press conference today trump attacked carter's legacy while carter's body was literally still on its way to the capitol to a city preparing to honor carter's life. that fight with a recently deceased president has a lot to do with trump's newfound fixation on american territorial expansion, which in turn led to a bizarre declaration that the u.s. should regain control of the panama canal. now, to understand what is going on in trump's mind here you have to go all the way back to january 9, 1964, exactly 61 years ago this week. at the time anti-american riots had broken out in panama in part over u.s. control over the panama canal. that conflict sparked more than a decade of very careful diplomacy, diplomacy which spanned the administrations of

four presidents with the goal of handing control of the panama canal over to the people of panama. for most of that time negotiate eggs in washington were serious and bipartisan. with a few notable exceptions democrats and republicans were largely aligned on a plan to negotiate a fair treaty to hand over control of the canal. a young, moderate senator by the name of joseph biden even called the panama canal the last vestige of u.s. imperialism. in 1986 the u.s. was in the final stages of negotiating a treaty. but right around that time some enterprising far-right conservatives realized that they could use the panama canal to gin up nationalist anger, anger among the american public. they began arguing that america should leave the negotiations and keep control of the panama canal.

and the keep the panama -- keep control of the panama canal movement, that movement then found a very charismatic messenger. >> the panama canal zone is sovereign united states territory just as much as alaska is as well as the states carved from the louisiana purchase. we bought it, we paid for it, and general tario should be told we're going to keep it. >> ronald reagan became the american avatar for the movement to try and keep the panama canal. at the time reagan was contesting gerald ford's nomination as the republican candidate for president in the 1976 election, and reagan made the panama canal a central issue of his campaign. now, reagan ultimately lost that primary to gerald ford and then gerald ford went onto lose the presidential race to jimmy carter. but the prez panama canal issue did not go away, neither did ronald reagan.

the task of finalizing the agreement fell in president carter's lap. and reagan laid the foundation for his next presidential run by challenging president carter at every step. reagan gave public speeches, and he testified before congress. he even held a public debate with fellow conservative william f. buckley over the merits of keeping the panama canal. but in 1977 president carter signed the treaty, and that handed over control of the panama canal. >> we are here to participate in the signing of treaties which will ensure a peaceful and prosperous and secure future for an international waterway of great importance to us all. but the treaties do more than that. they mark the commitment of the united states to it the belief that fairness and not force should lie at the heart of our

dealings with the nations of the world. >> fairness, not force. it was a powerful statement by president carter. but by that point the issue had gone from a matter of diplomacy to a full-blown wedge issue. there were even protests outside the white house. and that movement was part of the coalition that ultimately helped propel ronald reagan to victory over jimmy carter in the 1980 presidential race. and yet despite reagan's crusade, the panama canal treaty remained in place throughout reagan's presidency. apparently it wasn't a major priority for president reagan once he was actually in office, but that idea live on in the minds of other popular

conservatives. we are now relitigating one of the most cynical debates in american foreign policy. and because this is donald trump we are dealing with, the foolish and ill conceived imperial ambitions go way beyond just panama. >> well, we need greenland for national security purposes. people really don't even know if denmark has any legal right to it, but if they do, they should give it up because we need it for national security. >> donald trump wants to take greenland. you may recall trump toyed with the idea of buying greenland during his first presidential administration even though the nation of denmark says it has less than zero interest in handing it over to the united states. remember greenland has been under danish control since 1814, since is well before the period of 1980s where trump's brain has apparently stopped. nevertheless the president's son, don jr., landed in greenland in order to keep

speculation about the supposed american takeover alive. and in his press conference today trump refused to rule out the idea of using military force to acquire both greenland and the panama canal, though, you should make of that what you will. the origins of trump's greenland scheme are both younger and even dumber that trump's panamanian fixation, as reporters peter baker and susan glasser reported in their book. trump was first -- according to glasser and baker trump was so obsessed with the greenland idea in his first administration that it absorbed the national security council staff for months. buying greenland. and part of trump's fixation with greenland may have stemmed from his failure to understand how maps work actually.

actually. trump told glasser and baker i love maps, and i always said look at the size of this, it's massive. that should be part of the united states. hey, if you look at a map of greenland, it does appear to be massive, right, but that's not because greenland is massive and approaching the side of the united states. it's because the earth is a sphere, and so when you lay out a sphere on a flat map all the areas near the north and south poles are stretched out to look bigger than they actually are. greenland is still a pretty large territory, but in reality it is not nearly as it appears on a flat map, yet donald trump appears to have become obsess would the idea of acquiring greenland and maybe using the u.s. military to do so because greenland looks massive. that is the level american foreign policy is about to be operating on. today trump also reiterated the desire to make canada the 51st

state, something canadians have no interest in. and trump also said he wants to rename the gulf of mexico the gulf of america because he thinks that sounds better. all of this is obviously ridiculous and in many ways it is a distraction from the things trump could actually do as president. but the idea behind this territorial expansion is very serious. as reagan proved 50 years ago, the concept of america as an expansive global empire can be a very intoxicating political force. and while buying greenland may be a fantasy, powerful nations like russia and china are trying to expand their territorial control at all costs. and america will have to decide if it wants to be on the side of sovereignty and self-determination or whether it wants to be on the side of imperial expansion, however unhinged that expansion may be. a choice, as the late jimmy carter said, between fairness and force. joining me now is congressman

jim himes, congressman from connecticut, ranking member on the house intelligence committee. congressman himes, thank you for being here on this extraordinary day. first, let me just get your reaction to trump's territorial lust over canada, greenland, and the panama canal. >> alex, you know, as the election results became clear, i swore to myself i would not chase every single shiny object, every mad raving of our next president, but i will -- for you i will do this. i will jump into the romper room of things that are never going to happen. before i do, alex, i want us to realize why this is all happening. we are not going to get greenland by force, the answer to that question, of course, as i sit here in washington, d.c. in ways and means conference rooms republicans are putting together tax cut bills that will

deliver hundreds of billions of dollars of tax cuts to corporations and to the very wealthiest americans. now, this is a little bit at odds with the campaign that the president -- the president-elect ran. as we sit here right now, there are rooms full of people thinking about how to cut regulations that keep our water clean and our air clean. so what we're talking about here are things that are never going to happen. they're shiny things, little bits of tinfoil and fireworks designed to distract us from the fact that the president-elect is going to completely fail to deliver on the economic promises that he offered people with a lot of economic anxiety. okay, having said that, if you want, i'm prepared to engage on the question of greenland and the panama canal. >> well, well -- and i'm the first one to point out that a lot of this seems totally unhinged, which is what i said

earlier. i think also we're talking about denmark which is nato ally, greenland, the panama canal which we ship a lot of goods, and canada which is a huge trading partner and ally of the united states. even if it amounts to a hill of beans, the rhetoric is pitched and kind of insane. the idea the u.s. -- the incoming president of the united states is talking about military action to take canada, yes, it's a romper room of sorts, but i do think there's probably some repercussions to angering allies like those with rhetoric like this. >> yeah, okay, let's do it. it ain't going to happen, right? denmark is a critical nato ally of ours. no panamanian government would describe skgzs to return the canal to the united states. by the way, if we're going to return the panama canal to the united states, why don't we return the suezcanal to the british and french, why don't we

let the british re-claim the railways they built in india. teddy roosevelt and his guys stole it from panama -- i'm sorry from columbia in order to create the panama canal. long imperial history here that is actually -- and again, let's do it. it was actually very, very painful for latin-americans. the gulf of mexico, does mexico matter to us? yes, it does. if mexico is pissed off at us they're not going to do all they need to do to help us with the southern border, the fentanyl crisis coming across the border. yes, this stuff does have consequences. my guess is the government of denmark, the government of canada, and the government of panama know what we all know, which is 80% of what donald trump says and does is noise. it's the 20% that is not noise that you need to worry about. and i promise you not the gulf of mexico, not canada, and not greenland are in that 20% of

real things that donald trump is going to do. >> yeah, despite the fact that marjorie taylor greene actually introduced a bill on the house floor today to rename the gulf of mexico to the gulf of america. i do think as trump is talking about expanding america's power he's doing something very concerted at the same time. he began this press conference talking about a $20 billion foreign investment to build american data centers from an -- courtesy of an emeraty billionaire. donald trump has put a for sale on this country as he talks about buying other ones. i wonder how concerned you are about his championing of foreign investment here with no strings attached and unwinding of pesky relations that may get in the way of foreign investment here in the u.s.? >> yeah, you know, we have pretty well-established mechanisms to make sure that the foreign investment here in the united states is not a national

security threat. there's a little esoteric organization called the committee for foreign investment in the united states, and their job is to make sure this sort of investment doesn't put at risk our national security. now, by the way, we're having a pretty ugly conversation about national security when the current president refuses to allow mipone steel to buy u.s. steel, even though that would probably be good on u.s. steel and does it on national security reasons even though japan is probably our most important ally in asia. again, it's a little bit of romper room here in washington, and, you know, i hope that at some point -- and, look, i get our politics have become entertainment, but i hope at some point we recognize as the single most powerful country on the planet we really do -- as much fun it's going to be to overturn a whole bunch of apple carts, we really do need at some point to become a responsible actor on the global stage and start acting that way and hopefully the president

communicating that that's who we are. >> congressman jim himes, thank you for joining me tonight. appreciate your time, sir. i'm going to turn now to claire mccaskill, former senator from missouri and current msnbc political analyst. claire, thank you for being here. i actually thought about you as i was listening to this press conference from donald trump today. let me first get your thoughts generally about feels like the beginning of the trump presidency part 2 in all of its -- i guess i'll use the word splendor. >> yeah, and i kind of agree with the congressman. i do think there are things he's doing to distract, but underneath it, it's wholly concerning because the deal is our country has always been seen as the grownup on the international stage. we have been seen as the country that can do elections fairly, that has a rule of law that's smrted without political threats, that actually helps our allies and stands up to bullies

across the world, and donald trump has campaigned really in a way that blows all that up. he has never been respectful of our allies, and it's weird to me that you would start your presidency by picking fights with your border countries. whether it's canada or mexico. both of these countries are pretty important to the united states in lots of different ways. trade, national security, all -- shipping, the movement of goods. all of those things, they matter. and to pick a fight before you even take the oath of office with countries that we need to be our friends, i really think this idea that he wants to be putin and try to expand to areas where the people don't want it, it is not a good step forward for the united states.

>> well, yeah, and that's exactly i think what i find most distressing about this. this seems to be -- we know trump's had a greenland fixation since his first term, but the incoming american president to be saying this at the same time that russia is trying to take ukraine and has been for some time and the chinese are doing what they're doing with the uyghurs and with other -- at this moment in time to be saying that in this geopolitical climate seems distressing not just for geopolitics writ large but what america has represented and the signal it sends to autocrats and dictators around the world. it's i want to be like you. >> exactly. exactly. and nobody believes that we're going to go to war with denmark. we're not going to do that. nobody believes we're going to go to war with panama over the

panama canal. that's not going to happen. but it is setting a tone that he thinks helps him, which is to be unpredictable, unreliable. basechy that press conference was just one giant fact check of liesch so many things he said were not true from the trade deficit numbers with canada and europe to the fact that europe doesn't take our cars to all the nonsense he always says about inflation is at the highest ever, which of course is not true. there are a million things that he said in that press conference that are lies, half truths, and down right misinformation for the american people. and to throw in there that i'm going to go to war with denmark over greenland seems to be a throw away. and i'm with jim himes on this. pay attention to what they're actually up to. their number one priority -- they may have done a show bill today, which i don't disagree with, that we thed to deport people who are here illegally

that violate our laws. i think most americans agree with that. but the real thing they're working on is making sure his billionaire bros and his billionaire friends get their tax breaks. and that's not the folks that come to his rallies. those are folks slipping in a million dollars at mar-a-lagoch. >> a million dollars or more. claire mccaskill, it's great to see you, claire. thanks for joining me tonight. >> you bet. we have much more to get to tonight including mark zuckerberg's huge gift to donald trump, speaking of gifts. but first trump still has a few more legal hurdle to clear before inauguration day and we're going to get into those with msnbc legal analyst joyce vance coming up next. msnbc lege vance coming up next

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it's the same with caregivers. if you're taking care of a loved one, take care of yourself first, because their wellness starts with yours. . in the remaining two weeks before donald trumpficially becomes president again, he is still confronting very live issues in court including whether or not he'll be sentenced in new york city after being found guilty on 34 felony counts this past may. today a new york appeals court judge rejected trump's emergency bid to postpone his sentencing in that case, which means that donald trump will be sentenced this friday, unless a federal court or the united states supreme court steps in. at the same time trump is trying to fight the release of special counsel jack smith's two-volume report describing smith's

decisions to charges trump for hoarding classified documents at mar-a-lago and for trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. today judge aileen cannon in florida issued an order blocking the release of smith's report until the 11th circuit court of appeals rules on the matter. joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. joyce, it is great to see you. i am very eager to hear your assessment of how, first of all, the time line we're talking about here with the 11th circuit and whether you think they'll make a decision before inauguration day. >> it's a great question. and before we even get to the 11th circuit, there's a problem with this order that judge canon issued this afternoon. that problem is that she arguably has no jurisdiction because she has already dismissed the case. and judges can't act on cases that are in front of them. it looks like the defendant's lawyers figured that out because they filed a supplemental motion this afternoon.

they asked the 11th circuit to refer the case back to judge canon hoping that they could hold onto this very favorable ruling that she issued, and we'll see if they do that. but like you say, the whole question here is how quickly is the 11th circuit inclined to act. we've seen them move very quickly in other cases. that's been my experience with them over the years, that in the right case they will step in and rule, so we may well see something from them. >> if they -- if they don't choose to act, if they don't issue a ruling and wait until after inauguration day, it's basically a wash, right, because then the matter gets settled at the doj assuming they do say -- if they do want their report released, which would be presumably the best outcome for merrick garland and jack smith, there's going to be new management at the doj, right, and management that, by the way, is made up of lawyers that have defended trump in these very cases, right, joyce? >> absolutely. this is a delay game for trump. all he has to do is get past the

finish line, which is inauguration day, and he can shelve the report. so doj's move is to get cannon's order vacated. if the 11th circuit vacates that order, if smerz some knowledge she lapsed that jurisdiction they're free to go ahead with the release. you know, alex, she never had the january 6th case in front of her, it would be a real gamble for the justice department to release at least the january 6th part of the report despite the existence of this order. but it's a real hash for doj knowing that their work will disappear if they don't get a court to order them or at least permit them to release the material before trump takes over. >> what happens to the report if it doesn't get released, if it stays within the confines of the doj is there a chance it could get leaked? is there a chance in the archives trump could be persuaded to flush it down the

toilet? zp so there's a records retention policy inside doj like many government agencies that actually requires that these records be retained. i have lots of old case files that lived in my office and then would get shipped off to a filing area where they were retained for at least ten years. you're not really permitted to destroy government records. how that would hold up in this situation, we don't really know. you know, doj is not a place that one thinks of as being full of leakers, although ironically there's a report today talking about leaks at the tail end of the trump administration. but i would hope that although it would be painful to see this happen, folks at doj would not act inappropriately, would not let donald trump corrupt their practices. we know a lot about the january 6th case. we know some about the mar-a-lago case. whether the release of the report will really matter i think is perhaps less important than standing on principle this one final time. >> joyce vance, thank you again

for your expertise. i appreciate you. still ahead, meta's ceo, mark zuckerberg blows up fact checking across his social media empire in an apparent capitulation to incoming president donald trump. what it means for the president of disinformation and the future of political discourse. that's coming up next. ical disce that's coming up next.

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governments and legacy media have pushed to censor more and more. a lot of this is clearly political. after trump got elected in 2016 the legacy wrote nonstop how good faith democracy. the fact checkers have been too politically biased have destroyed more trust than they've created especially in the u.s. >> today pace book founder and meta ceo mark zuckerberg made a major announcement that seemed taylor made for donald trump. >> we're going to get rid of fact checkers and replace them with community notes similar to x. >> meta is getting rid of its fact checking partners that moderated contenten its site including instagram and facebook. and now instead having trained fact checkers meta will move toward content moderation via community notes.

joining me now is charlie warzle, a staff writer at the atlantic. i'm surprised zuckeringbering didn't make the announcement in a red maga cap. in addition to doing this he's moving what's left of the content muderation team to texas or california, where i guess everything is more neutral and non-biased and also bringing dana white, trump's ufc buddy onto the team. >> i will say he did send joe kaplan, the republican operative now head of policy at meta onto fox news to basically announce it to donald trump. so he kind of did do what you were saying. i think that this is just a kind of complete and total capitulation to the trump administration but also to the general sort of political winds and the winds of discourse as he described it earlier today. i think he feels that the election is -- is some kind of,

you know, vote of no confidence in the legacy media but also just in, you know, anything that could be broadly defined as woke. and he wants to, you know, get out ahead of that and i guess turn facebook or meta products into x like elon musk. >> yeah, the elon musk of it all seems to loom large, and i wonder how much emulating elon musk and his relationship with trump is in the back of mark zuckerberg's mind, but also probably more urgently what this practically does to the spread of information. i think some people think community notes while deeply flawed is probably the best model that maybe x at least could use to try and mitigate some of the garbage that's on the internet. i mean what's your thought about how effective this change of moderation is? >> on x community notes is probably the best thing that elon musk has done. i think that there is, you know,

broadly -- there's a lot of good stuff there, a lot of people pushing back. often they push back on elon musk, and sometimes those just disappear. so it all depends on, you know, how the platform chooses to enforce this type of thing. in terms of the broader scale issues, i -- i would say that we -- it's too early to tell exactly what's going to happen, but, i mean, we've already seen what does happen when they just let things, you know, run amok, right? these fact checkers didn't show up one day because legacy media wrote about it. there were reports facebook wrote about izits own involvement in the rohingya genocide in myanmar. there are real issues here, the election interference stuff also wasn't just a -- you know, made up by the mainstream media or democrats. this is something that actually happened that needed to be investigated. >> i will say just the -- and the woke content mediators that zuckerberg is talking about in his video are people from usa

today, who have been champions of really straight down the line fact checking and reporting. so the contention they are somehow part of the woke mass trying to censor is a canard also being euphemistic. and also end this jeff bezos is paying $40 million to license a documentary about melania trump. the ring kissing knows no price tag. charlie warzel with the atlantic, thanks for your time, sir. we will be right back. time, sir. we will be right back. to buy, or not to buy? that is their question. and nobody knows shoppers better than shopify. the undisputed, undefeated, checkout champion of the world. businesses that want to win, win with shopify.

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before we go tonight, we havenidate on the news out of california where governor gavin newsom has now declared a state of emergency as a fast moving series of fires have spread over 2,900 acres in los angeles. that is twice the number of acres we reported earlier this hour. just shocking and staggering expansion. again, this fire is being fueled by intense winds that are only expected to get stronger overnight. it's worth remembering that this is a dense urban area. this is los angeles, california. this fire has already forced more than 30,000 residents to esaekt, evacuate, and there are more than 10,000 structures at risk. that is our show for this evening. "way too early" with ali vitali is coming up next. can you assure the world that as you try to