tv Chris Jansing Reports MSNBC January 8, 2025 10:00am-11:00am PST
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two dead, many injured. all of los angeles county now under threat, as four wildfires burn out of control. officials warning that they've never faced a fight like this. we've got every angle covered, including live reports from the scene. plus, the stories of those who race to get out, during what officials describe as a terrifying and devastating night. and the captain of the los angeles fire department will join us later this hour. we'll talk to her about the immense challenges for crews, struggling just to get water to the front lines. a lot to get to. but let's go right to the very latest on the dangers in california. apocalyptic scenes unfolding in the los angeles area. fast-moving wildfires are burning through thousands of acres. two people have been killed. more than 80,000 are under mandatory evacuation orders, touching off dramatic scenes of residents, abandoning their cars, and running for their lives. officials are calling this a kind of perfect storm, extreme
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winds, gusting up to 100 miles per hour, combined with bone- dry conditions, in difficult terrain. the biggest and most destructive fire, the palisades fire. it's already destroyed more than a thousand structures and torched 5,000 acres. the flames reaching the iconic malibu neighborhood overnight. another area known for its multimillion dollar homes. then there was this surreal view from above, a plane capturing the massive flames to l.a.x. two people were killed in the eaton area. that's in the altadena area of l.a. county. and the fires are still growing, with crews reporting 0% containment. >> the national weather service has predicted a continued red flag weather event, with strong winds, and low humidities. placing all residents of los angeles county in danger. >> we want to make sure that
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everybody understands, we are absolutely not out of danger yet. >> among the harrowing evacuations, this one in pasadena, where officials raced to save elderly patients from a nursing home overnight. other evacuees sharing their horror stories, just trying to get out. >> it's like a bad, bad, horrific dream. >> i've been trying to get in my house for five hours. >> right around -- up and around those two homes, they didn't catch fire, but everything around them did. >> the only thing i heard above that wind was the power lines popping. >> i was telling my wife, as we were driving out of here, is this us? is this happening to us? we were watching on the news ourselves, saying, wow, what a tragedy, look what's going on, and boom, here we were. steve patterson is reporting from altadena, california. and steve, what is the situation looking like at this hour? >> reporter: i mean, the word is apocalyptic. we try not to use that word to describe fires that are all too common in this state.
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but i can't think of anything else when you see a scene like this. this is not one home, not two homes, this is multiple homes, deep in, going back. you can see the ruins spread out. watch out there. debris is everywhere. this plot of this home, and then the home next to it. we've seen these homes, as they've had frames, as they were standing, and then fully engulfed, then on fire, then reduced to ruins. all of that happening within minutes. we were talking to andrea mitchell. i showed her, there's a home across the street that had burned to the ground. this home had started to catch -- watch your footing there -- this home had just started to catch. you saw the attic? that is a sign that a home is going to go. firefighters are putting this here. you were trying to put protection on this home, right? >> i failed. i failed, you know? >> you didn't fail. you did as best as you could. but with look at this situation
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here? how long were you putting water on this home? >> two hours. >> two hours? >> i ran across the street, as soon as we looked over here, we saw the rafters on fire. then the firefighters came. >> and that was it. >> when i went in the attic, it was too late. but that home bought that home some time. >> reporter: yep. so you did as best as you could. thank you. >> give the firefighters all the resources, man. you know? >> absolutely. that's a neighbor we spoke to. he's been trying to put collection on these homes. but it's impossible because of how far and how deep the spire spread. these firefighters did their best to try to save this home. they did their best to save the home across the home across the street, which is in ruins. we saw smoke near the eaves of that attic as well. if i walk down here, which i won't, just because of how much
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smoke is back there. you would see more scenes like this. it is everywhere. all of these neighborhoods are affect the. there isn't a treat street that we've gone by, where there wasn't some sort of impact,a that was fully engulfed in flames remember the damage is unbelievable. just the wind damage is unbelievable here, not to mention the flames and the smoke. the smoke is as far as the eye can see in just about every direction. it will carry for miles, the air quality is terrible. the firefighters are stretched so thin. there are thousands of firefighters, fighting these multiple, three-large fires at this time. but they're obviously stretched about as thin as possible because there just isn't enough resources to go around, when you have this much. i've never seen fire in this densely-populated of a region, especially when you're talking about these pockets of neighborhoods, where again, you will find a block that has homes that are completely gone.
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you go to the next block. there are some homes that are still standing. but then you think, because you've seen homes that have stood before. if you spend any time around here. you think it's only a matter of time before those homes catch fire. because all it takes, again, are these pockets of embers. they travel. not only a few yards, a few feet. but literally miles, they land on top of a roof. and this is what happens. chris? >> steve patterson, thank you for that. we want to show you another eerie scene. this one in pacific palisades. this is all that was left by cars abandon in the streets, by locals who felt it was just too risky to stay in gridlock. so they got out of their cars and went down to the ocean. some of those cars were cleared out of the way by a fire department bulldozer. joining us now is a pacific palisades resident, who spotted some 20 homes burning, as he rushed to escape.
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darren, thank you so much for being with us. we really appreciate it. i know you were working at home when this started. take us back to how you knew something was wrong. what happened as you were trying to get out? >> hi, chris. thank you for having me. we saw smoke from our house, and you can see in the video on the screen, sometime after about 10:30 in the morning. and it looked close but not that close at first. we quickly gathered whatever possessions we could quickly get, and then it just -- it exploded. within minutes, 10 to 20 minutes, there wasn't one fire. there were multiple fires, as embers were sort of crisscrossing the area. and the ferocity of the fire, you know, led us to think that we needed to get out of our
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house and get out of our house very quickly. our kids were also at school, about a mile and a half from our house. so we're obviously concerned for their safety as well. >> so many of us have played what we thought was a game, darren. you know, you are asked, if you were in a fire, what would you save? obviously life, first of all. you said your kids were in school. but for you, that question became real. so i wonder went through your mind when you had to make some split-second decisions, like, "do i get out of here? "do i have time to grab stuff?" what should i grab? if you're talking about things blowing up in 10 to 20 minutes? you've got to get out of there. >> right. and ironically, and sadly, i mean, we had had this conversation over the last week, as the weather warnings were becoming, you know, grimmer and grimmer. but in that moment, it's
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difficult. it was difficult. we saved, you know, a few family heirlooms. we saved, you know, a couple art pieces, some clothes, the kids' favorite stuffed animals. you know, laptop and ipads. filled the car very quickly, and headed out. and realized how much we left behind, but also have the realization that our possessions and our house are one thing, our lives, our pets' lives, our kids' lives, are what were paramount. and we didn't want to take any chances. we -- we were not those people standing behind, you know, with fire hoseses. hoses. although respect what those people were doing as well. we wanted to get out. >> we heard the press conference this morning, and you may have heard it as well. they talked about closing schools in part because of poor air quality overnight. it was so bad, they didn't feel
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kids should be going to school. and are you all together now? where are you? >> we are together. we're staying with family in ventura, which is about 60 miles up the coast from l.a. so we are far removed. we don't believe our kids' school exists anymore. the devastation from the palisades, at least, anecdotally, from what i've seen, is fairly complete, widespread. the high school, elementary school, commercial district in the palisades, doesn't appear to be there. we saw video and photos of our house consumed and large parts of our neighborhood as well. and the palisades, even though it's part of the city of los angeles, is a small town, has a nice community feel, about
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30,000 residents. and you know, the destruction here. you know, it hits hard. and it feels severe in a way that, you know, is almost unfathomable. >> so you actually know that your house is gone? because i have family in pacific palisades. it is a gorgeous neighborhood. and i found myself looking, as i was seeing pictures from pacific palisades, do i recognize anything? but you know your house is gone? >> we don't know our house is gone, until we sweet the visual proof of it, which will probably take a few days. but we saw video and photos, through news media, where we were able to identify our house, and you know, we're not optimistic. >> how is everybody doing? i know that sounds like a trite
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question. i don't know how old your kids are. but what a traumatic experience. >> my kids are 11 and 9. and they were -- they were frightened. they were at school when this happened, and things were moving very quickly. they fled their classrooms. there was smoke in their classrooms. they could see flames. i wish i could say it was an orderly evacuation. it was not. kids just jumped in to parents' cars. our kids are scared. and you know, one of the reasons why we're up in ventura, kind of far away, is just seeing the smoke and seeing the flames, which you can see all over l.a., is frightening to them, you know, but i don't think they've even kind of begun. we haven't begun to fully process the impact. it feels surreal. it's one of those stories. it's trite to say it, but you see it happen to others.
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and then, you know, you don't think it's going to happen to you. and all of a sudden, here -- we are. lahaina, i can't remember the last year, or the year before, and you know, we're extremely empathetic. but you know, here we are, and you know, we feel like we've now gone through, you know, what the residents of maui went through. you know, recently. and residents of other natural disasters. and unfortunately, these types of situations, you know, seem to be, you know, expanding and getting worse throughout the country, which, you know, should be an impetus to really evaluate and think about how we approach these types of disasters and address climate change and address the risks that we all face. >> there is no doubt, there are critical questions out there that need to be talked about, but in the meantime, all i can say is i'm awfully glad,
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darrin, that you and your family are safe. obviously, that is the most important thing. and we wish you luck. in what i know will be a long road forward. darrin hurwitz, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. we really appreciate it good luck to you. >> thank you, chris. those same, fierce santa ana winds aren't just spreading fire. gusts 100 miles per hour, means water planes can't fly. and conditions are expected to continue to worsen. >> let's go to nbc meteorologist bill karins. get us up to date with these winds? >> un until now, the fires had the upper hand. ever since it started yesterday, the winds were in the 40 to 60-mile-per-hour range. last night, they were 80 to 100. now they're beginning to drop off. still extremely difficult for firefighters. but as we head into the afternoon and evening, the wind should go down to 10 to 15 to 20 miles per hour. they're going to get the big planes back up, the
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helicopters, the super scoopers. and the firefighters are actually going to start to fight back on this blaze. and hopefully we'll lose a lot less homes than we have already. there's four big fires burning within the l.a. proper area. the one we saw yesterday and tracked last night, this is the one that has taken the most structures. the palisades fire as it burned toward malibu. the eaton fire has taken structures with it. woodley fire is smaller. they're trying to get containment on that. the hurst fire has grown quickly. this fire is the problem, the eaton fire. they're taking the fire and blowing all of that smoke right through downtown l.a. the air meter right now is at 325. and it measures the amount of particulates in the air. this is in the very unhealthy category.
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and that smoke plume is going to continue over top through downtown l.a. throughout the day today, through playa del rey on the coast. the wind gusts. about another four hours of high winds, then it starts to drop off. santa ana gusted to 30. riverside, 39. where we're watching the palisades fire. this is l.a.x. at 31. van nuys, 36. these wins are beginning to get a little bit lower. i think soon, we'll start to see the helicopters and planes, getting up there in the sky and fighting back. the relative humidity is really low. so if it's really super humid. it is hard for fires to burn. but when it's really dry, things, you know, that's why we were in this extreme fire conditions. and they'll continue throughout the afternoon. this will be dropped later on tonight. this extreme risk of fire. and for other areas, too. we could still get some new blazes forming. and the high wind warnings, chris. these are going to be up until 6:00 p.m. 32 million people still
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included on this. chris, you were just talking to our last guest. you start to think and do the numbers. they said about 1,000 struck structures have been consumed. and some are estimating higher than that. average three to four people every structure. we have 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 people that are now homeless. and as we get control of the blaze, that reality is going to start to set in. >> without a doubt. bill karins, thank you so much. coming up, reports that firefighters are struggling to get enough water to the areas that need it most. but first, nbc's liz kreutz' harrowing experience trying to escape the fire. >> we are in bumper-to-bumper traffic as hundreds of people try to get out. you can see flames on both sides of the road, with very little visibility. very little visibility. of bad breats for five times more cleaning power than brushing and flossing alone. get a next level clean... ahhhhh with listerine. feel the whoa!
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first of all, congressman, let me say, i'm glad that you and your family are safe in washington, but i'm sure you have many family and friends, besides constituents, obviously, who are caught in the middle of this. what are you hearing about the situation on the ground? >> obviously, it's tough. the palisades fire has caused 30,000 people to evacuate. so far, thank god, we don't have any deaths. of course, heart goes out to the folks affected by the eaton fire, where they have had a couple of deaths. >> reporter: the press conference this morning, as i think, as i listen to it, was pretty ominous. they said all of l.a. county is in danger. i wonder if you're getting any sense from fire officials of their realistic prospects for getting this fire under control? for doing whatever they can to limit the damage. although it seems like the situation is pretty dire. >> you've got the eaton, the woodley and the hurst fires, in addition to the palisades fire. thank god, we have firefighters
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coming in from several western states to help us out. i think it will be a long time before the palisades fire is contained. >> what are your hopes for that neighborhood? we just spoke with a local resident. a guy named darren hurwitz. he was talking about how his kids were evacuated from school. they have gone up to ventura county. they've gotten basically, as far away as they can. it's been a traumatic experience. but he watched on local news, to think that his house is not standing anymore. do you have any sense right now of the extent of the damage? >> we're talking about a thousand structures so far. and we're in the middle of this. we have no idea what it will be before it's all out. i want to urge everyone in the area to prepare, to go back, to be ready to leave, if they're directed to do so. i want to remind them that if
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you're facing mandatory evacuation, your fire insurance should cover the hotel cost. but we do have evacuation centers at westwood community center. and they'll let you take your pets there. or at el camino charter high school. so don't hesitate. and certainly, if you're told to leave, leave. and be prepared to leave. >> congressman, if you could stay with me, i want to bring in nbc's von hilliard who is reporting. president trump's denied assistance to california. vaughn, what can you tell us about that? >> right. this goes back to his first administration. but also as recently as a campaign stop he made in the coachella valley. i want to let listen to president trump in the past
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over newsom. >> we won't give him money to put out all of his fires. and if we don't give him money to put out his fires, he's got problems. he's a lousy governor. >> we're going it take the water situation, and force it down his throat and say, gavin, if you don't do it, we're not going to give you money for all of those forest fires that you have. >> of course, this is a longstanding fight that the president-elect has waged with particularly the governor of california, suggesting that they are not putting enough resources toward fire management, forest management. to be very clear, billions of dollars have been approved by governor newsom and the california assembly, towards forest management over these years. another issue of concern here is the amount of water supply down in through the palisades, and the extent to which los
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angeles county had the management or resources in order to pump through that water supply. but of course, i think that is where you are getting into a lot of the details in a lot of president-elect trump and others who are using this moment to criticize the democrats in the state of california, chris. >> vaughn, thank you for that. congressman, you have the threats by donald trump, that local resident in pacific palisades that i told you about, darrin hurwitz. he talked about his concerns about taking a climate change and its impact more seriously. with the incoming administration, what is your level of concern? >> well, thank god president biden has already approved the firefighting grants and a group of members of congress and working with senator padilla in shift to get a major disaster designation. and we need to do that as soon as possible for a lot of reasons.
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but especially because donald trump at least talks about playing politics with this. i voted for disaster relief for a host of other states, including states that tend to vote for the republican party. and i don't think the american people want donald trump discriminating in disaster relief, based on whether your state voted this way or that way in a presidential election. i -- i can't think of a worse way to respond to fire disaster. as to forest management. this is pacific palisades, inside the city limits of los angeles. it's a suburban area. it's a beautiful suburban area. this is not forest management. this is not a forest. this is a town. >> congressman brad sherman, thank you. we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us today. our breaking news coverage will continue with an update from the l.a. fire captain, right after this. >> i'm kind of in shock.
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lot like covering a tropical storm or hurricane. because these are certainly tropical storm-force winds, and we have had gusts of hurricane- force, category 4, category 5, hurricane-force winds, that have been reported here over the last 12, 18 hours across los angeles county. we're in pacific palisades, just at the edge of where the palisades have been burning. this is pacific coast behind me. sunset boulevard is just on the other side of the gas station, where the two roads intersect. you can see where the thick smoke blows. some condos. homes burning there. we know that more than 1,000 homes, businesses and buildings, of any kind, have burned in just this palisades fire. that number has likely increased. because these winds are just not dying down, chris. when you see fire trucks coming through here now. it's been kind of a zigzag. fire crews have had to call in help from arizona, northern
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california, nevada. now approaching 2,000 acres of fires. that direction, where those trucks are headed. that's towards santa monica, densely-populated santa monica. but of course, you can't see very far right now. because this smoke is so thick. and firefighters have been waiting for winds to die down a bit, chris. but every time we think, okay, maybe that's it, these withinds seem to pick back up. chase cane, thank you so much for your reporting. of course, it is a welcome sight, the approach of fire trucks. but we scwawft saw them disappear into the smoke. but "l.a. times" reports that they have been unable to act. because some fire hydrants turned up dry. >> we're fighting a fire with urban water systems, and that is really challenging. what happened in palisades, we have three large water tanks, about a million gallons each. we ran out of water, and the first tank around 4:45 p.m.
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yesterday. we ran out of water in the second tank, about 8:30 p.m., and the third tank, about 3:00 a.m. this morning. >> reporter: joining me now is sheila kelleher, captain of at this time los angeles fire department. thank you so much. i can see you're on the road. you have plenty on your hands right now. is there water in pacific palisades to fight this fire? >> yeah. they're getting a handle back on it, like you heard her talking. she's the expert in that facility. but these water systems were never meant to sustain that kind of water usage over 15 hours. and that's what we did. we pumped over three million gallons of water on that fire. so it does drain that system. and they're doing everything they can to fill it back up. and pump water back in. we did have some issues because we weren't able to fly in the
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air assault because the wind gusts were so high. a lot of times, the water we get to put on the fires is from up above. so perfect storm, with the wind and not being able to use some of our air resources. >> what are meteorologists telling you? is there hope that sometime today, you might be able to get those planes and other vehicles in the air? >> we're still waiting to see. apparently, those gusts could last until 6:00 p.m. tonight. it's just a wait and see as we go. and then there's some die-down. we're looking forward to that. our red-flag warning will last until tomorrow. we are deferly not out of the woods. everybody needs to pay attention. listen to those warnings. we still have a lot of areas in southern california that are being affected by the winds that aren't on fire right now. >> with four fires burning all at once, just in los angeles county, and we reported this earlier, that officials said, look, all of los angeles county is around threat, how do you
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even deploy, and decide how deploy, what are already- strained resources? >> well, we do have a really robust, insider command system, where we set up those strike teams, and we predeploy them in the area. so we don't pull from one area too much. so even though we have a great system set up like that, it is definitely strained. that's where our unified command comes in. where we can work in conjunction with other agency little, along with requests to northern california and states definitely answer those calls and come help. so a lot of out-of-state help is coming. so from everything we understand, help is on the way. >> many of your folks, of course, have been working through the night. we learned that a firefighter suffered a head injury in the palisades fire. do you feel like you have or at least will soon have the resources that you need? first of all, obviously to fight the fire. but to help your firefighter stay safe and effective?
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>> yes. for sure. and listen. we do more with less, that's kind of our motto. in the first initial stages of the fire, everybody is -- has got that adrenaline and doing everything they can to help get this under control, until we get those support units in. so, you know, a lot of those firefighters have earned a well good rest here for the last 12 hours, 24 hours, and they'll be right back on the fire lines. because this fire and the surrounding fires, it's going to take a while to get them all under control and cleaned up. >> when you say it's going to take a while, what is best-case scenario, based on your experience? >> oh, my goodness. you know, i wouldn't even hesitate to guess right now. but this will be weeks in the making, to get things put back together and get things the way they belong. >> los angeles fire department captain sheila kelliher, with a long week ahead. thank you for you and all the members of the fire department
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keeping us safe. we appreciate is and appreciate all of you folks. much more coverage still to come with a malibu city councilman, who was forced to evacuate. plus, more of the devastating scenes emerging on the ground. it's just incredible, guys, as we look at this. just -- just deeply saddened. there are no words. this is just like an inferno. you see the palm trees sway, as these winds continue to intensify. we just hope for a little mercy. i had to take cover behind the car, because the winds were so bad. the winds were so bad, it burned my helmet here. it flew away. and fortunately, i had a second one.
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the palisades fire is pressing in on malibu, west of los angelesness, an areaing already devastated by the franklin fire just about a month ago. i want to bring in malibu city councilman, bruce stein. thanks for being with us. your home was damaged in that december fire. and you were forced to evacuate. i think you're still out of your home, correct me if i'm wrong about that. but what is it like for you and your family to see malibu threatened yet again? [ inaudible ] >> you might be muted.
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can you click that, bruce? >> no? not muted. >> i'm speaking -- [ inaudible ] >> we're going to take a break while we try to help you get that corrected. and in the meantime, our affiliate in los angeles has been on the ground covering these wildfires. and just last hour, knbc's britney hope was in a residential area, near the palisades, surveying the damage. as firefighters work to get this under control. we want to play you part of her report. >> reporter: the winds are so powerful, but this is what we're seeing right now on coastline drive. these fire crews, this water tender here right now. although this home, already burned, because the winds sore pawferl, the flames rekicked up. now they're trying to protect the homes. we have cal fire, and another
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fire tender here. really focusing a lot on this home. but i can tell you, home after home on coastline, on the block above us, which is wake crest, on the block above that, this neighborhood west of the getty villa, i would say, it's about 50-50. about half of the homes are completely destroyed. about half of the homes are still standing. and it's one of those things, you never know why something stands and something doesn't. but we have been watching since this morning, all of these embers that have been burning. you know what i just found here? looks like some sort of tea kettle. i'm so heartbroken, and i'm so sorry to all those who are watching and learning of this live on our broadcast. but here on this stretch of coastline. it's just home after home. and a lot of vehicles as well
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that have burned. >> thank you to britney for that report. i want to bring back councilman bruce stein. we were just talking about this is your second fire threatening malibu in about a month. how are you doing? [ inaudible ] >> well, obviously phe is he is in an area where it is difficult to get any kind of cell service out there. we're going to take a break. hope to get him back at some point. also want to let you know that coming up in the next hour, how climate change set up the conditions for this supercharged fire spread. we'll have an expert break it all down. but first, president-elect trump calls on the supreme court to delay his hush money sentencing now. just two days away.
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same arguments we've heard before from the supreme court? what is happening here. >> the argument to the supreme court is based on the presidential immunity decision. it's the same arguments that they have made to new york courts, arguing that there are essentially two forms of immunity here that donald trump should have been protected by. one that evidence of in the hush money case, evidence of his official acts. but also as the president- elect, he is entitled to have the immunity doctrine extended to him while he is in this transition period. because it's inappropriate for his attention to be distracted from the very matter of taking office again. >> but the heart of this case took place when he wasn't president, right? >> correct. at the intermediate appellate court that his lawyers were in yesterday, he was asked, are you contending that any of the conduct that was charge the here is conduct for which he should have been immune?
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and the lawyers conceded, "no, that's not what we're saying here. the charged conduct is not official acts. it's that evidence of things that he did while in office were used by the d.a.'s office to prove the case. the jury relied on that and based on that the verdict should have been vacated." >> how is this handled in the court it. >> it goes to a justice that oversees the area of the country that this is for. so here, the circuit justice is justice sonia sotomayor, who used to be a federal judge in new york. she can either handle it herself or hand it to the court. given the gravity of the situation, who the applicant is, i don't suffer any illusions she will handle it herself t. but she has to respond by 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. and after that, the only deadlines of the court are those of its own making. they can let friday's come.
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they don't have to do anything in response to donald trump here. >> let's say she does that. and i understand that very well, why she would want to, given who it is, given the president in all of these situations. we have never seen this kind of thing before, in the history of the united states. did they just all get on the phone? i mean, i'm looking at the logistics of this? are they meeting? are they in court every day? in their offices every day now? >> at this point in the term, they should be in their offices, where after winter break. so to the extent. >> so they are back. >> we have conference coming up on friday. they are supposed to be in conference to determine which cases they're going to hear this term. wouldn't be so difficult, i imagine, to get them logistically together. but if not, there are other means for them to pull each other about whether or not they want to rent this. >> we have also learned that coincidenceil councilmember
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jack smith, but merrick garland doesn't want to make it all public, right? >> it comes in two volumes, each of which respond to former cases involving president-elect trump. the one involving mar-a-lago doesn't deal just with president trump, but two other people which have now been dismissed by judge aileen cannon. but where a federal judge is appealing that. >> so they could face charges. >> they could. many people expect that president trump will either pardon them or direct the department of justice to dismiss the appeal, meaning it would wipe the case clean, because judge cannon has dismissed the case. but let's say that doesn't happen. there's an existing federal court rule in florida that says, you can't really put out information in the public domain that would prejudice a jury pool against defendants on that case. and it is on that basis that merrick garland has decided the second volume of the case --
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i'm sorry, second volume of the report shouldn't be made public. however, he'd like to share it with the chairman and house and senate, with appropriate redactions for grand jury material and other information that can't be shared. and he'll need the 11th court's permission to do so. >> lisa rubin. thank you so much. we will speak to more eyewitnesses remember include actor steve guttenberg who has been jumping in to help neighbors. to help neighbors.
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