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i'm katie tur. parts of los angeles now look like a war zone. the city, which is made up of neighborhoods is fighting to save a number of them but it doesn't look good. the flames in the eaton fire, that hurst fire, and the palisades fire are 0% contained right now. the worst of them is the palisades fire, where the flames are still spreading and growing. in that community alone, the pacific palisades, officials say more than 1000 structures are gone. homes, businesses, churches, synagogues, the grocery stores, the car wash, the local library, the playhouse, the public high school, and multiple elementary schools. the scale of the devastation and the disruption in the palisades, it really is hard to overstate. even if you had something to come back to, and that is still a big if right now, there's not anything to come back for.

no surfaces, no supplies, no education, no people, no neighbors, no community. we have covered fires before. i grew up right here, i grew up in los angeles, i covered fires through michael childhood, people have never seen anything like this. they have never seen anything like what is happening right now. almost no rain in eight months. an unusually dry january, even for los angeles. hurricane force winds, a thickly populated community on roads that are narrow and, in some areas, really steep and very wind the. on top of that, not enough firefighters and not enough city water to fight the flames. normally closed would turn to the ocean which is right off the bus, it is right off the bluffs in the palisades, but the winds were so out of control that the l.a. fd helicopters and their airplanes were not able to get in the air for hours and hours and hours, which means there weren't water drops. it is bad

and it is not just the palisades. it is malibu and altadena and pasadena. at least two people are dead, at least. many more are injured. 80,000 people have been forced to evacuate and there's no telling when these fires will stop. joining us now, nbc news national political correspondent, jacob who grew up with me right there in the palisades and former chief pilot and reporter for kcal television news, larry welk, who grew up with me in these areas. i'm having such a hard time following the story because it is so personal, because it is my elementary school. i think my childhood homes, it is the grocery stores, it is the post office, it is the car wash, silly things like the car wash. you look at the images, and i keep coming videos from friends and you can't figure out what

you are looking at because it is unrecognizable now, jacob soboroff, so many of the people that we love and grew up with have lost everything. the homes they have now, the homes the parents have now, every minute i get a text message, it is worse and worse and worse. tell me what you are seeing on the ground . >> reporter: a couple of things. i want to tell you where i am right now. i am down at the intersection of where entrada and west channel meet the pacific coast highway. you might have seen before the legendary patrick's roadhouse, a haunt for many boldfaced names in los angeles. this is the stretch of pacific coast highway over here. it is a great way to understand this is a mutually environment. this is an impromptu gas station . all the different agencies, come and look at this, all the different agencies through all of southern california are

coming here to fuel up there fire trucks as they go back out into service. thank you for doing this. really appreciate it. manhattan beach. have you been in and around in the palisades area? can i ask you real quick, have you ever seen anything like this before? >> i've seen it one more time, i've seen it before. >> how are you feeling? >> we are hanging in there. we have been up for over 24 hours. >> are you going to get rest anytime soon? >> hopefully tomorrow. >> what is your name? james, jacob. thank you very much. katie, manhattan beach is here, l.a. city is here. people from all over the southern california region. what i want to say to you is we can feel the wind is whipping. you and i, the doors of your program know we have been friends for a very long time and you and i would drive around in my old previous through the streets of pacific palisades together when we were 16, 17 years old. you don't recognize what is

going on anymore. it doesn't look like the pacific palisades that you and i know. i can't wait for you to come out here and give you a big hug and give a big talk to people who love you very much and who i know you love. it is a really hard time for this place because when we talk about the big one, we think about an earthquake. we never think about a fire like this but this is what it has become. >> it is the same magnitude scale. it reminds me of northridge. jacob, i am going to be out there tomorrow, leaving tonight. i want to underscore something i think is getting lost here. we talk a lot about the palisades opinion full of celebrities and full of rich people, it has gotten tony overtime, very tony, in fact. there are a lot of regular folks, middle-class families, people who have spent their entire lives there. >> reporter: no doubt. >> parents there as well. there are a lot of people who

won't have anything to go back to answers questions of insurance. what will insurance cover, but it won't? talk to me about that. >> reporter: it is a community of 23,000 people. there are definitely some boldfaced names in pacific palisades but there's a lot of people who have lived in the palisades for generations and generations who have made this their home, who bought in as working-class families and raised families in pacific palisades. what does happen with fire insurance? this is not a travesty that a municipal government can afford and pay for out of the general fund or some kind of contingency budget, not even california. i briefly saw california governor gavin newsom today on the side of the road speaking with officials in the white house, he told me. and, that is going to be the name of the game going forward. who will be able to help kickstart this recovery? will it be the biden white house?

will the incoming trump administration do anything about this? this community needs all the help it can possibly get and get that obstructed as soon as possible because there are people, thousands of people, thousands of people without a place to go and sleep tonight. people need to understand pacific palisades is a neighborhood in the city of los angeles, a city that is a patchwork of neighborhoods. this is one of the big ones. we are not talking about a wildfire in a remote area, we are talking about a wildfire that is displaced tens of thousands of people in the heart of the city of los angeles . there is a lot of work to do to get this process started about recovering, even as the plans are burning and the wind is blowing as i speak to you this afternoon. >> is part of what it has been a struggle. it is a wildfire in a city using city water supplies and they run out of water trying to fight these fires. just the water they are able to access from the fire hydrants in these neighborhoods has not been enough and that is part of what it is 0% contained. the other reason is the wind is so powerful. 100 mile-per-hour winds overnight.

there have been best continuing since that point. larry, you would have been in the air. i know there is a grand stop because president biden is leaving. he would have been in the air all night last night had been able to. why could you not get up? >> in addition to the presidential temporary flight restriction, the winds were simply too strong last night, not just for the news helicopters but also the firefighting effort as well. at one point, we looked at the radar and we could see that there were no firefighting aircraft, not even a fixed wing up in the air at all. it was so strong. you have to remember the topography of los angeles. you've got the fire in eaton canyon right up against mt. wilson, where you have a north wind and it blows a rotor effect where you can't control the aircraft. in addition to the flight restriction, now i will say

president biden is still in los angeles and we have been able to get permission so we have just launched two of our news helicopters. that is really in an effort to get people, a lot of people who have been evacuated don't know whether their homes are there or not. for us to be able to fly over the neighborhoods, use the overlay mapping we have on our camera systems so that you can see street by street whether your home is there or not, this really affect so many people. more than 80,000 people have been evacuated. they just don't know what the fate of their home is. it is important to get out and show not only where the fire is going but where the fire has been. my wife and i left last night to go pick up a prescription and 20 miles away, we saw the heat and fire start. i drove up to a heliport that

was supposed to be given water to helicopters. there were no helicopters. the firemen were there, they were attached to a fire hydrant . the wind was too fierce. the helicopters could not get there. in the 20 or 30 minutes i spent watching this fire start, it blew up into what is an enormous firestorm. i have been doing this for 30 years. even the woolsey fire, which lost 1700 homes, i have never seen anything like this. neighborhood after neighborhood, homes were destroyed. it is an absolute tragedy for any place on earth. in particular, los angeles. these people, it is a terrible situation here right now. >> this is a live shot right

now of the palisades. i want to show you a little bit of video one of my friends and into me. for all of my policy friends out there watching and waiting for news i'm going to show you something that will be hard to see. we will play it right now. this is going to start on the main drag in the palisades on your right, when the video starts. there used to be a pretty big starbucks there, one of the first starbucks in the country. it was a big deal in the 90s when it opened up it will. here, that was the starbucks, there were shops, there was a chinese restaurant right there, there was a diner on the left- hand side. there was a reveled lovely boutique called luis walker. it is going to go up the road, the chamber of commerce used to be on the right. there was a barber shop right here as well. it is going to make a right onto a street, this is antioch. it will make a right onto a street called via de la paz and

at the end of the street is the elementary school and went to and across the street was the methodist church i think wire in and did the fouls . for me, it is memories. for so many thousands of people, this is every day, this is the reality. it is where they live, it is now gone, completely gone. larry, if the laf d was able to operate last night, would it have been this bad? >> it is very tough to say. the wind was so bad last night that even if the helicopters would have been in the air, it is extremely tough to get the water to the ground. once it leaves the helicopter, when the wind is blowing that bad, it is just tough because it evaporates, it gets blown away and sometimes it just doesn't hit the ground. so, very tough to say. again, we have never seen anything like this to this scale. you have the fire burning in

pasadena and altadena and points north. then you have the terrible fire in the pacific palisades you have been talking about and that is continuing to blow up. you can't see it out the window but from where i am sitting in my office, i can see the plumes of all of these fires at the same time. >> you are many miles away from the palisades. >> i hate to say it but there is a new fire that is just starting up up in the ventura county area. you've got, in addition to the terrible weather, it is still windy out here. it is better than it was last night. it is still very gusty in a lot of places. the resources, they are not available right now. that is really a fear of a lot of people that because these fires are going on, there is still the need for a fire department. people are still having accidents, people are still having medical emergencies. so much of the dedicated firefighters that are out there that are working endless hours,

the resources just aren't there. when i see another fire pop up, that is extremely frightening. and, for those thousands and thousands of people that don't know whether their homes are gone, we have employees here at my company that have lost homes. and, they are still showing up to work. you grew up in l.a., you know that when a big firestorm happens like this, you know that there are people that you are friends with, that you work with, that are directly affected by this tragedy. and, there is no end in sight. the weather is supposed to get bad again this weekend, we are supposed to have another santa ana event. the idea that this firestorm will pass, yesterday morning at 11:00 a.m., i was driving out in the westlake village area, which is, it is 50 miles away from downtown los angeles. i could see the plume from the pacific palisades fire. and, i looked over at my wife and i said this is going to be a

terrible, terrible day. then fire after fire, it is really, it is a helpless feeling for a lot of people. and, you can see in that picture you are showing right now that palisades fire continues to grow and it is making its march into the malibu area. and, the wind, unfortunately, remains strong up in that area. >> once you saw the smoke, exactly, you are exactly right, once you saw the smoke and you read the wind gusts and realized how strong the winds were and how much, how easy it was to carry the emperor's and for stuff far afield to go up in flames, you just knew it was going to be bad. i am finding it hard to talk over this. it is scary. >> i have never seen wind like this. i have never seen the wind, have been here 30 years in los angeles.

i have never seen the wind as strong and as a study and for so long as we have seen over the past couple of days. it was, anything that wasn't tied down, it was a wide, wide area. the santa ana conditions, we generally get a strong stretch of window but it is normally isolated to a couple different communities. this was so widespread and so concentrated. unfortunately, the pacific palisades were in the bull's- eye of the wind. for those people that live in brentwood and santa monica and malibu and even to pender canyon, calabasas is now under some danger. it is so widespread that the idea of another wind event here with the firefighters that are deployed right now and the resources that are continuing to pour in, it really is going to take an act from mother nature to get this thing to die

down a little bit because it is showing no signs of letting up. >> they need rain. to put a little bit more meat on the bones of your resume, larry started flying helicopters 20 years ago, 30 years ago with my father? 30 years ago with my father when i was just a little girl. and, one of the big stories that they covered, and i tagged along with a lot, were fires. a lot of them in malibu. fires all around los angeles. i remember watching the ridge, the ridgeline in the palisades and hoping it wouldn't go through the grieving and get to us in the valley and get to a. most of the time it didn't until now. larry, thank you so much. thank you so much for joining us today and holding my hand through this. i appreciate it. >> we will see you tomorrow. >> jacob, thank you as well. joining us now, nbc news meteorologist bill karins.

bill, larry give me a little bit of the forecast. you are the expert, tell us what is happening and what to expect. >> i am sorry for what you are having to watch and see and everything else. it is hard for a lot of people and there's people out there watching us that have evacuated and are hoping for a glimpse to see if their home is still standing and we will continue to bring you all those pictures. up to this point, the fire has been the wind. the winds have been harsh. we had a wind gust kirkwood, high atop a mountain, 176 miles per hour. mammoth mountain, had a cost of 135 miles per hour. even burbank airport, we had a cost of 90 miles per hour. this was off the charts for winds and let alone a fire at the same time. the two big places, the palisades, which is now up to 12,000 acres, and to be eaten fire, these are the two huge ones. i have heard the woodley fire, they've gotten a good deal of

containment. the first fire continues to expand. the eaten fire into the palisades fire, the two that have taken the most instructors. as far as the politicos, the palisades fire, most of that is blowing off the coast. but, this fire by pasadena, the eaton fire, all of this unhealthy air is blowing right over the top of downtown l.a. the cancel schools today. very unhealthy air quality. the supplier is 0% contained. air quality will be an issue for days ahead. maybe the winds will shift and it will head to a different direction. right now it is right over downtown l.a. i mentioned the winds are starting to come down but it is going to the coil. the high wind warning until 6:00 p.m. l.a.x., still gusting to 33. this is the palisades fire, where we have wind gusts supporting the fire and making it very difficult. i have heard it is a little better by the eaton fire. december at 23, riverside is at 40. near mt. wilson, this is where the wind is lighter. i have seen the smoke plume kind of going straight up instead of blowing horizontally

. that is good. that means the fire will stay were contained and not be spending as fast. the relative timidity, still extremely low. that is why we are still in the extreme fire danger through the afternoon. tonight, once the sun sets, all the air resources should be up there. the helicopters, the big fixed wing airplanes. this should be dumping and dropping water all right, even into tomorrow. the winds will be supportive once we get rid of the high wind warnings. once it is dark we will be able to spot the fires more easily and to get control of some of them. for the rest of the day, we are under the extreme fire behavior risk and we have seen all the pictures there. they have said the only report we have had is 1000 structures. estimates are much higher than that. this is likely going to end up somewhere in the top 10, maybe even top five for most destructive california

wildfires ever. that is what happens when you have an urban environment with a region fire and wins like this. just a recipe for disaster. it is extremely sad. >> 1000 doesn't seem low. two people lost their lives. that also hopefully remains the same. it is sad but hopefully remains the same. it would be remarkable if that was the only loss of life from this devastating fire we are watching. looking at the map you have there, you have santa barbara, oxnard, mission viejo. l.a. county has asked a lot of these places for fire resources to come help them fight the tires. if you are talking about elevated risk for critical risk for fires in those areas, you have to imagine they are not going to be able to send their resources because they are going to be worried about their own populations and fighting their own problems, should they erupt in such a volatile environment. >> that is what our last guest was sitting. every time a new fire pops up, they are going oeno because i may have to leave the current battles that are on two protect their own communities. extremely difficult. we have to get through the next six hours without any new big fires starting and we can start to get control of these fires.

>> terrence, thank you very much. still ahead, we will get a little personal again. this is a personal story from the street i grew up on, with my childhood best friend. he now lives there again and we are going to show you what is left. also, a scientist who has spent more than a decade researching natural disasters like this joins us. what lucy jones says can be done to save lives and property. we are back in 90 seconds. 90 . -shots?? -of milk. the right money moves aren't as aggressive as you think. (vo) oof, stuck paying for that old phone? don't be. you know, at verizon, we'll pay off your phone. and you'll get iphone 16 pro with apple intelligence, on us.

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as we said a moment ago, the palisades is not just a neighborhood of wealthy celebrities. the community has been home to regular middle-class families for decades. many of them lived in the alphabet the streets, tightly packed the smaller homes. our report is like around say it looks like everything on the street is gone, including potentially the home i lived in for nearly 10 years as an elementary school kid. my best friend lived just a few doors up the street. a couple of years ago, he moved back into that same home with his own young family. jared joins us now. i didn't think this was going to be the way we would be talking today. >> hi, katie. certainly prefer to be speaking under better circumstances. this is what is happening. >> we grew up on a small street in the alphabet streets when we were kids, when we were in elementary school. used two cell, we used to pick

flowers in the neighborhood yards and try to sell them back to the neighbors. you used to make dishwasher liquid, it was washing machine soap and you put it in plastic bags and try to sell it to the neighborhoods. we thought we were great artists and try to sell our art. we were entrepreneurial when we were kids. i know this is hard for you and i know you don't want to talk to me, thank you for coming on. what is left of your house? >> i haven't seen it yet. different chat groups, there's folks that are going through the neighborhoods and sending pictures and video clips. we have it from a reliable source that our house is gone, the entire neighborhood is basically gone. i have seen maybe on other news reports one or two houses standing. i don't know how many hundreds, if not thousands of houses over several blocks that are all gone. >> your law has lived in that house for 33 years, 34 years,

something like that? >> pushing 35 years, i think. >> you just moved back with your own family. you've got a couple of small kids. they were going to school there, right? >> yes. it is gone. >> what are you going to do? >> will, you know the first thing once we got out of there when it became apparent it was no longer safe. we grabbed what record. honestly, we didn't take a lot because it is kind of unfathomable that this could have happened to that., for people who don't know. what makes this fire different from a lot of the others you might see in the news is this isn't just a couple scattered

cabins in a hillside covered in trees and dry brush, this is a pretty dense commercial and residential area. and, we just, we have been there almost 40 years. the town has been there for over 100 years. the elementary a you or two ago celebrated its 100th elementary. you could've gone to one of the community centers and looked at these old pictures. you can see the 100-year-old picture of the school and it hasn't changed in those 100 years. no one imagined that this court have happened to this town. it is unreal to see what has happened. for a lot of people, i can only speak for myself but i am trying to think of others, i think it just, it unfolds slowly and then there is first get yourself to safety and now there are the logistical things, finding a place to

live. we are in a hotel for tonight but we are looking for longer- term accommodations. there's going to be, for the people who have insurance, there's going to be calls with insurance companies. depending on what you brought with you, we will be shopping for clothes and pretty much everything. i think everyone has a huge, it is really affecting everybody in a huge way. >> how is your law? >> she is holding up. she is holding up pretty well. and, i think, again, the important thing is we are all safe. she is holding up pretty well but it is really tough and i think especially for the kids, becomes the palisades has a lot of families and pali elementary burned down but it is not the only school that has either burned down or been damaged.

you have a lot of families, it is a quiet town, it is good for families and where are the kids going to go to school? and that is, to me, like you plan your life around your kids. everything in the town is there to support that. and, the house, the stuff, of course, it is important. i think the way people's lives were planned around that community and the community losing that is, we can't go into a store and buy that. >> you can't just rebuild that either. it takes a lifetime. your dad also lives in the palisades, is he okay, it's his house okay? >> he's fine, house is gone. was able to go over and grab photo albums. that was the first thing he told me to get so i did. when i was leaving his house,

there were deer running down the mountain and it was chaos. cars, just log. i think it's the other thing is this is on hold and it has been 24 hours but it is not over. i am still seeing video clips of houses burning and it is different areas are getting hit at different times. >> i want to end on something positive or at least a nice memory. my law sent a little bit of video of us on the front lawn of my house just down the road, down the street a a few doors down when we were, i think we were nine, carving pumpkins on the lawn. there you are in the blue. what is amazing is i think we look exactly the same. older and wiser but pretty much the same. >> we have aged pretty well.

>> jared, i am laughing to stop myself from crying. it is really awful and i want to give you a hug and the whole family a hug and i am just so sorry. i am so sorry this has happened. >> i know you are on the way out and it will be good to see you. i think for everyone, this is, it is like almost everyone i know who lives in the town, their houses are gone. i think there are some lucky, even if your house survived, what are you coming back for? we are going to, i think it is a special place and we will try to rebuild. it is going to be a logistical challenge as well. >> you are going to need help from local governments, insurance companies, and also federal government and we are going to talk about that coming

up. jared, thank you so much. thank you. >> no problem. great talking to you, katie. take care. >> it is hard to tease out of that. what l.a. county needs at the moment. we will talk to the county supervisor. they will need a lot of help and a lot of cash, i imagine. they have been called golden states most pressing natural disaster. dr. lucy jones on what can be done to end the threat of wildfires. of wildfires. at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. hi, my name is sam davis and i'm going to tell you about medicare advantage prescription drug plans that can provide more coverage than

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the good news is that the winds have died down just enough, which means the l.a. fire department is back in the air, using helicopters to try to drop some water on the flames. the bad news is so much has already been lost. hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars in damage, once the estimates come in. much of that is going to have to come from washington and

governor gavin newsom says all it took was a text message to the president, president biden right there, to get it approved. joining us, l.a. county supervisor who just attended a briefing with the president and the last hour, thank you so much supervisor lindsay horvath. what do you need right now? >> we need everyone's commitment to supporting those on the front lines of this fire. it is not yet contained. we are in red flag conditions through the end of day tomorrow. while the winds have died down to hopefully get our area back up and running, we are not in the clear by any means yet. we are making sure we are doing all that we can to support those on the front lines. that is most important. we are grateful to the president for his visit, especially for his declaration, which means we will be able to call on even more resources to help us in the short term and

long term as we look to rebuild. >> do you have a sense of when your best chance is to try to get a handle on these claims? >> we are working on that right now. we know we had a tough time overnight from 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. we had wings that were like a hurricane. now that we can get back up in the air, which helps those guys on the ground for this fire with all that we've got, that kind of equipment is necessary, that of approach is necessary. given it is not just the palisades fire but we have four other fires and counting active right now throughout the county, we are, we have many resources that are being deployed. we need to make sure there are no new fires coming up as well. >> do you have enough resources? you are talking about hotspots that could pop up at any moment, you have four fighters and counting, how do you deploy resources enough to battle the flames that were currently

reading, but also prepare for anything else that might light up? >> the good news is that we are a unified command and with all the unified declarations of emergency, especially with the president coming on board, we are able to access, some additional teams of the national guard are joining the efforts to fight these fires, we can call on even more resources to join the ranks. i spoke with our senate pro tem last night as well. he is from northern california and has experienced it there. he is helping us deploy resources from throughout the state. our fire chief explained to the president in our previous briefing that he called on out of state resources from arizona, thousands of folks to come help us here in southern california to address what we are facing here. these are unprecedented conditions. so, while we did all that record to prepare and get ready to address these fires, the conditions on the ground and

there are simultaneous fires throughout the region that have made it more competitive. >> there has been reporting on water issues. crews running out of water in various areas. where is it, where do things stand with water right now? to the fire trucks and fire crews have enough water to find these claims? >> in the county areas, we are not experiencing the water challenges. i am grateful to all of our folks, including our department of public works, who helped to make sure we have the resources that we need and supporting our fire department. i know the city has been having challenges with their system and ladwp indicated what has been contributing to those challenges. we will be working with city park west to ensure that we have a regional approach to how we are using our water resources. i do know that when we go into unified command, we were able to access resources outside of the city's, resources the county has access to to address this fire. there are reservoirs in front

of pepperdine university, for example, that we used during the recent franklin fire before the holidays. we were able to use its resources, even though they are outside of the city, to address this fire because we are a unified command using all of our regional resources. we are still working on that and there will certainly be a lot of conversations around what we need to do to build out a system that contemplates this kind of climate crisis. when we look at municipal systems, they typically contemplate a few houses being on fire at the same time and that is what a municipal service is supposed to respond to. this is an urban wildfire. on top of it, there were multiple fires happening at the same time. they were calling on resources and, as this fire was spreading into the conditions we are facing without any real approach, it was a perfect confluence of conditions that made it difficult to pump the water from lower levels up to the higher levels in the hillsides and up at the top.

ladwp chief expand all of that at our press conference this morning and i know they are looking at how they want to deal with that on the city side and the county and we will be ready to assist them in any way that we can. >> all right, lindsey horvath, los angeles county supervisor, thank you for joining us. good luck. still ahead, evacuations, as we said, are underway. what it looks like on the ground. the mayor will join us. first, a doctor and a seismologist and help appearing for earthquakes is similar to preparing for wildfires. for wi.

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our nbc news affiliate in los angeles has been on the air nonstop for the last 25 hours and counting. here is lauren coronado in the off the streets neighborhood of the pacific palisades. >> reporter: we have been here the last several hours. you can hear how strong the gust of wind still all right now and the devastation, the destruction is so bad. we have driven through multiple streets in the alphabet streets neighborhood of pacific palisades. it is hard to explain just how bad it is out here. we are talking block after block destroyed, flattened. we actually had some viewers who were watching this while we were on one of the streets down

the way and they asked us can you check on our home and we did. we had some down time, we were able to check on at least two of our viewers homes. unfortunately, we had to deliver the news to them that their homes did not make it. i was on the phone with the family and they said they were just waiting anxiously, thank you for calling us and letting us know, even though it was bad news that they received. we also spoke with another family, whose home was aptly spared, really incredible. it is just incredible to see one home among dozens that still makes it. unfortunately, there are fewer homes that are still standing here in the alphabet streets neighborhood than there are homes that didn't make it. we are talking block after block where these homes are

gone. the neighborhood is gone. and, there are a few people who we saw walking around. very, very few people. they said they came by to check on their neighbors homes. one man i spoke with said he had been trying to get back into the neighborhood to see if his father's home and made it. unfortunately, his father's home did not. what you are looking at right now, the aftermath of this fire that is still burning out of control, the palisades wire still burning out of control. i talked with firefighters when we first got here closer to 3:00 this morning and they told me the winds are just horrible. they said there was no predicting where the winds were going to push the fire. of course, there were those embers, the really intense embers. this is an image right here, if we look at this driveway, these burned-out cars, look at the melted metal. it is terrible to see all of this. we talked with firefighters and they said containment is tough to even think about right now

because they are still seeing so much intense fire activity right now. as we drive through this neighborhood for some homes are still up in flames and resources are just spread thin right now. you will see some fire engines and then we could go blocks without seeing any fire personnel. we know all hands are on deck. we know the governor sent down resources from northern california yesterday when this first sparked and now we know why resources are pouring in. it is a devastating situation out here in the alphabet streets neighborhood. >> for clarity, she is on lift street and hartsell right where they meet sunset. joining us now, chief scientist and founder of the dr. lucy jones center for science and society. dr. jones has spent the last 15 years supporting communities across california as they faced

natural disasters. dr. jones, thank you for being with us. one of the things i was talking about with my just a moment ago, my friend from childhood, was there is really not anything to go back to. say your house didn't burn down in the palisades in particular, there is no community any longer, there is no grocery stores. it seems like most, if not all of the schools are gone. a lot of elementary schools, one giant high school. no gas station, no shops. no library. no playhouse. how does a community build resilience in the face of this, especially as climate change mix these events worse and more frequent? >> there's a lot of things tied up in that question. i will say first that for all the other communities around, this is our potential future in the time of climate change and therefore doing the things before hand that will make it easier to recover later are incredibly important. what is most important afterwards is to continue to

have a community. if there is nothing to come back to, people don't come back and communities come apart and we have seen serious population disruption, migration out after major disasters in some regions. what will make a difference is that people have other people to come home to. if the community itself matters to them and the people in that community can work together, you will find ways to make it work. is going to be a lot of economic resources put out to this. that is what fema does is come in and get the basic things going. what you need to survive after fema leaves after six months is a sense of community and a way of working together to make the decisions about how you come back. it is actually much harder than dealing with this immediate part right now. >> how do you deal with the immediate? you have to get through the immediate to start the

rebuilding process. >> this is one difference between wildfires and earthquakes. earthquakes are no notice events and you tend to stay in place. now you have people evacuated and it will be a while before they are allowed to come back. at this point, you are living out in some other place. i was personally evacuated for the station fire about 15 years ago. and, that thing of losing your home even if your home survived, because there is a lot of people evacuated who will be coming back to extent homes, those first few days without being able to be in your house is emotionally disruptive. one thing is to recognize that. admitted to yourself, find other sorts of emotional, spiritual support systems that can keep you going through this. then, as soon as you can get back to really connecting with your neighbors and being able to come up with original plan. the government wants to help but they don't know what you want. if you can work together and be able to do that and doing it immediately afterward before you have lost your sense of

community is particularly important. >> what does it mean to come together and present a plan? >> i am going to take an example from a couple of communities in northern california. butte county went through all of these fires. paradise had to take many months to figure out how to get together and they are doing it. the whole process has taken many years. it is now 60 years since the camp fire. a smaller community started meeting together, one person called up all her neighbors and got people to come and start planning. within a day after the evacuation orders lifted. they were able, within a couple of years, to have a really significant plan for rebuilding their community and getting it underway. talking to people, coming together, finding a way to share your vision for what is coming. it is not difficult. it is a simple thing but we

don't do it very often. sit down and talk with people. >> it is important. dr. lucy jones, thank you for joining us. i know we usually call you on earthquakes but you have wildfire expertise as well and those are the two things to have when you are a scientist in california. >> unfortunately so. the fires are getting more common, even if the is quick !. >> let's hope the earthquakes remain less common. dr. jones, thank you. coming up next, residence in the city of la canada or under evacuation orders because of all of the severe wind. the mayor out there is going to join us. in us. complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! wave hello to zane. he's king of the... ping. for every 1 sentence spoken on a call, he has 3 comments 2 memes and 4 emojis to contribute. a flood of positivity...

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at the foothills of the national forest of la canada and pasadena have all been evacuated. the mayor of la canada.

mr. mayor, thank you for joining us. what is the current situation in your neighborhood? >> thank you for having me. right now, our city is under a full evacuation order. it is my understanding that most have gone relatively orderly so that is positive. some of the city has no power which is an inconvenience but of course we do not want to jeopardize any safety concerns. we are not anticipating power will be on for at least another 24 hours. it is our understanding that the fire that is next to us, it is at 0% containment. the eden fire. things are quiet but obviously extremely nervous and it is tense. >> he have the resources that

you need to fight the fires if they get to you or if a hot pot pops up near la canada or nearby? >> we believe we do. we have the resources of the l.a. county fire department. they have mutual aid with other fire departments including glendale, pasadena and others up north. we do believe we have the resources. dr. joan - dr. jones reference the fire. it was - there could have been much worse damage at that time. we believe we have the resources and would like to not test those. >> how is the evacuation? has everybody left and do you know where people are going? >> there is an evacuation center that is been close to the rose bowl. many people have gone to family and friends. it is our understanding that at least the majority of the

people have left and evacuated. i would anticipate some have stayed in their homes. i think the sheriff department is monitoring that, as best they can. >> we were just looking at video of an old folks home, nursing home that was evacuated. that is a tough thing to move people that are not very easily mobile who were on the older side or who are not well. how has that process going for you guys? >> well, we are very concerned, we have a fair amount of elderly in our community. as far as we have heard, things have gone relatively smoothly. i know the sheriff's department and our transportation crew offered assistance to anybody that requested it. that also went well. right now, we believe we are in

good shape on that. the pictures that you are seeing from the retirement community. i did see that last night. it was a very difficult situation to watch. >> yes, i was glad everybody was able to make it out and do it quickly. you do not want to take any chances with conditions like this. the fire can pop up anywhere in there is so much wind and it is this drive. mr. mayor, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. i will see you tomorrow from los angeles. "deadline: white house" starts right now. my hello everyone, it is 4:00 p.m. and 1:00 in los angeles where many people are bracing for the worst.

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