the pictures that you are seeing from the retirement community. i did see that last night. it was a very difficult situation to watch. >> yes, i was glad everybody was able to make it out and do it quickly. you do not want to take any chances with conditions like this. the fire can pop up anywhere in there is so much wind and it is this drive. mr. mayor, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. i will see you tomorrow from los angeles. "deadline: white house" starts right now. my hello everyone, it is 4:00 p.m. and 1:00 in los angeles where many people are bracing for the worst.

the fast moving wildfires, and the director of emergency management for l.a. county calls this historical natural disaster. a perfect storm of whether conditions, hurricane force winds up to 100 miles per hour in some places. and exceptionally dry conditions that lead to explosive growth in the fires overnight. the palisades fire which started tuesday morning and is now burned 10,000 acres devastating the community of pacific palisades. 80,000 people had been evacuated. some leaving everything they own behind. the associated pass - press is the most destructive in los angeles history. well, east of los angeles, the eaton fire has led to two deaths and 100 structures have been destroyed. the eden in the palisades fire

along with a third fire burning in the san fernando valley north of los angeles are 0% containment. these wildfires leading to significant instructions to life in america second largest city. 300,000 power outages and closures in 19 school districts including the l.a. school district. that is the country's second largest and multiple major roads and freeways are closed. such as universal studios and events are getting canceled including the sag award nominations and the critics choice awards. for the first responders and government officials, the resources are already stretched to the limit. three of the city's water tanks each carrying 1 million gallons of water were emptied three times in just one day. officials are asking from nearby counties and neighboring states. california governor gavin newson has declared a state of emergency and joe biden joined

him at the santa mt. ida, firehouse to receive a briefing. joining me at the table for today's breaking news coverage, congressman and msnbc david jolly. but we start first with our friend, california resident nbc news jacob in the second hour. we have been watching your coverage and tell me what you are seeing. >> nicolle wallace, you mentioned those wins and they are picking up right now that i have not felt a sense of late last night. just beginning right now and i think you can see on this structure, this is in an area near the bluffs that overlooked the ocean here in pacific palisades. this is nowhere near close to being over. in this direction there are

other structures on fire. take a look. we have a house that is just catching fire, as well. everything that we see, this inferno continues to grow. i mentioned to our viewers that this is a neighborhood that i know very well. i was born and raised here in pacific palisades, california. it is unimaginable to see it in this estate. this is a beautiful community of 24,000 people and a coastal community along the pacific ocean. the santa monica mountains will meet the ocean when you think a catastrophe like this, this is big. but you do not think like a wildfire will turn into. i had been evacuated and i grew up in a house up at the top of the hill that you cannot see because of the smoke in this neighborhood.

we have been evacuated as a kid, my parents packed up the car and drove us out. we were worried about a wildfire. but never, ever has it turned into something like this. i ran into the head of cal fire, the fire regulatory organization. he said that this is the most devastating fires he has ever seen in the history of california. just because of sheer loss of a full community. the entire community of pacific palisades as we know it has been destroyed this afternoon and this evening. just in 24 hours i also saw governor gavin newson briefly today. he said he was on the phone with the white house and the biden administration. i do not see how you can come back from this without a support in addition to the municipal, the state and the federal government. i could be the biden administration or the incoming trump administration. this will be a year-long rebuilding process.

tens of thousand people will not have a place to go certainly they will not be able to return to their home. >> can you take us back to how this started and how it escalated to do such extreme damage. >> yes, let me just point you in this direction. the santa monica mountains is a community of hundreds of homes in the top of the santa monica mountains. in between where we are, pacific palisades malibu and santa monica is where this all started. those are the pictures that we saw yesterday of hundreds of cars getting abandoned on palisades drive. this comes out of the highlands and people literally running so quickly.

these are hurricane force, life- threatening wins. the national weather surface issued an alert yesterday morning that covered most of seller - southern california of how deadly these wins will be. i do not say people do not take it seriously or anybody could comprehend. this place was a tinderbox ready to go. whatever happened in the palisades highlands it ignited into something so big and ferocious, something nobody could have anticipated. also we have not had a lot of rain, it has been very dry in southern california. the lack of water for the vegetation after two years of a lot of rain created a perfect storm for a literal firestorm. >> jacob, what makes you say, you said the winds have kicked up and i see things burning behind you. tell me what it is like for first responders and reporters from where you are standing.

>> they have been extraordinarily heroic. to watch the first responders undertake such a heroic effort has been inspiring. in the last hour, we spoke to a firefighter from manhattan beach, california. he had not slept in 24 hours. this is a mutual aid that we are seeing were now in los angeles. there are fire fighting agencies from the southland coming from manhattan beach, ventura county, santa monica, malibu, l.a. county, l.a. city, the los angeles police department is on a tactical

alert. officers are being dispatched to get people still in their homes are getting back away from this area. it is an all hands on deck effort. as far as being a reporter here, we are here to do the job. i have never quite experienced something so personal, so first- hand in such a way as this. this is not about me but there is a small part of me that feels with these people are going through. i saw my childhood friend just this afternoon and their home had burned down, as well. >> i think the feeling and it is your gift and it is what you bring to all of us. do not stop sharing that with us and not now or not on this story. i wonder if you could talk about something anecdotally from residences in northern california and los angeles and around lake tahoe. it is difficult to ensure homes before this fire. tell me how the issue of fire insurance affects issues of rebuilding that beautiful community you are standing in.

can you still here is jacob? jacob, i think we lost your audio and we will work on getting it back. steve patterson is also in the front lines for us. steve, just pick up the baton from jacob soboroff and tell us what you are seeing and hearing. the first question i have and i do not mean to mother hen but how are you safe that is something on fire with the wind gusting. >> well, number one is the and 95. the worst danger for people that are not going to experience at home burning down, you can see the fire alarm still beeping.

it is an eerie and haunting sound as this home burns down. we've been watching us all day and it started on the roof and the spread. the firefighters essentially as if they thought they put it out but it was still engulfed. i think we are seeing that because firefighters are spread so thin. this is still a triage operation so there is a much larger fire. perhaps you cannot see it but there is huge black smoke billowing behind even on the next street. these fires are street to street. i mentioned the n95 masks. they will suffer the long-term consequences of the smoke. what we are hearing is 191, that is the equivalent of smoking six cigarettes at once if you stay here in 24 hours. this is the most important to protect me and my crew. we are all working on it down and working with them. with these residences and neighbors are dealing with. is this your home?

>> yes. i saw this about 10 minutes ago. >> i am so sorry. >> i am very appreciative that neighbors tried to put water but everybody got out safe, that is all that matters. we can rebuild. >> how long? >> my entire life. i am kind of in shock right now. and i'm just watching this house burned down here too. >> it must be surreal? >> yes, it really is. >> what is your name? >> julie. >> my name is steve. >> steve, can you ask julie what she wants people to know? nicolle wallace has a question for you. >> what does she want people to know about the street and this home and the community? >> nicolle is asking what people should know about the street, this home and the

community. >> that is it, everybody is so helpful with one another. we all look out for one another. if somebody goes out of town, they are checking on their house. everybody says hello to one another. everybody knows each other's business so is a really great neighborhood to grow in. there are 52 kids on this block when i was growing up. it is home and the childhood friends are checking on everybody. it is nice that so many calls today. >> one of the things i noticed is that neighbors going from house to house and putting water on this home. his mother was out of town when he was watching the home and he is a firefighter, as well. the home across the street, there is a gentleman that we have had several times. does that speak to the nature? >> absolutely, absolutely. everybody is just so incredible for each other and that is why we love it. >> could you imagine this happening?

>> no. we stayed until 1:50 last night. we never thought it would happen to us. >> i am so glad that you are safe. thank you so much. stories like that, that is what it has been about all day. and we will continue to see this as the smoke settles and the wind has finally died down. firefighters have been waiting on so they can finally get aircraft and attack this from the air. finally to put the flames down once and for all. i think we are going to see something that we have never seen in this area before. back to you. >> steve patterson, can you explain that you used the word triage. does that explain the house across the street is still just burning without any firefighters trying to tackle the fire. could you explain why that fire is not getting fought?

>> it is simple math. there are not enough firefighters for the modifier that is burning. the fire across the street is engulfed. we watched the living room burned to the ground just now. behind that, because the smoke is blocking. there is a larger plume of smoke, the firefighters are there because there is that houston is falling engulfed. this gentleman is screaming. but firefighters can only deal with what is the most serious situation. there is another fire engine coming up as i speak. they are bouncing from home to home because they're trying to figure which is situation is worse. what would cause more damage and try to put out a fire that is honestly surrounded by ruins.

>> steve patterson, he did do this but could we get julie a mask? i know that she was not wearing an n95. when you gave me the air quality number, you made me nervous. what does it mean standing there that officials are quote 0% containment. >> who knows how long this is going to go on. once the wind stops we are up against the canyon. the fire goes up hill which means it is going to shift in a totally different direction. if it is uncontained the flames will go left and there is an entirely different front of this fire. in the meantime, we are hoping this major wind event that we've been suffering that has driven the flames into the homes is finally over. as that will end, firefighters can put some progress, containment. containment is just a number based on the perimeter they put around the fire. the fire will not travel any further.

uncontained me that it can go - uncontained -- could mean that it could go anywhere. many these are localized spot fires. these are called the spot fires which meant these are embers picked up by the wind and landing on a house causing this scene. we have seen this all across this community from street to street. block to block and it is five houses burned to the ground and six that are absolutely fine. more often than not, we are finding houses that are burned to the ground. that is what we continue to see the more we spend time here. in the meantime, yes. they need to get a handle and they have to do it through the air. that is the ultimate for this fire. once they can get on top of it and dousing the flames, that will be great. the wind has to end. >> steve, i can hear the reactions behind you. if there was anybody with many feelings, or if anybody could share what

you are feeling? >> nicolle, i just learned that julia, that is her brother's house. let me show you. that is in the corner, we heard screaming as we were talking to you on air. his return to his home is why he was screaming. you can see that she just put a mask on by the way which is great. >> thank you. >> she is just learning about another wound in her family and talk to see this. >> please tell julie and to pass on to her brother there is nothing we can do to help. but we see her and we feel their pain. we will stay on this story and asked to continue to check in on her. she was going to do was to rebuild on that street and her a lot and her community where

she grew up and she loves so much. your reporting has been extraordinary, thank you so much. please wave your arms and we will bring you back on the air at any moment. let me bring in santa monica mayor. much of the city is now under mandatory evacuation orders. because of the palisades fire, please tell us how you are doing and what your message is to your community. >> first of all, watching that segment just made me tear up. our hearts are with all of those impacted by this fire and we just want to express our sincere gratitude to the boots on the ground, and emergency responders and the personal stamina county staff that are coordinating together to keep our communities safe. and disseminate important information at this time. you know, right now, the bacchanal assures - the evacuation orders are the same. under mandatory evacuation for the north of montana avenue. they are still under a voluntary

evacuation order. we are recommending people that need more assistance look for a place if they are under that voluntary evacuation order. please listen to the evacuation order and leave. leave your belongings but nothing is worth more than your life. we are also asking people to clear the roads so we have access for fire personnel and emergency services. right now, in santa monica it is not under any further evacuation what we have only issue but we are watching closely. >> i was going to ask you something that you just addressed. i grew up in california and i survived the earthquakes in the fires of the late 1980s and the 1990s. i have never seen the images of

the bulldozers over the cars that were abandoned. first responders could gain access and i wonder if that image and this event will inform your thinking or decisions about evacuation orders? >> absolutely. we are working with highly trained individuals to keep sunset clear when it was early ordered. we knew we needed to get emergency responders up those narrow roads. people have abandoned their cars and this is what happens. it is less about the damage of the bowl beau zimmer but the time will take our emergency responders to get to the residences and offer much needed property preservation but lifesaving efforts. it puts our emergency responders lives in danger. they are putting their lives on the line right now. we want to make it easy to continue to be able to fight these fires. so, yes we are asking people to be conscience of not traveling

if it is not necessary. if you can work from home, work remotely. we can keep traffic at a and keep the roads clear. >> can you address the power outages? how is that impacting people and what is your assessment of how you be able to support neighboring communities where school has been lost? >> in l.a. county, there is a lead agency on this and we are taking our orders from them. we are passing through information that is coming through the county. right now, the power outages have been spotty but we have not had anything significant in the santa monica area. we are asking people to charge phones, and be prepared for a power outage throughout the day and evening. we did not have an evacuation center in santa monica. but we have supporting information that santa

monica.gov to provide information and there is a recreation center that we are directing people on the boulevard. there are independent organizations like churches that have been offering shelter to the patients. we are grateful for that but as the day goes on and as we know as things change santa monica will support our neighboring cities. we are working in a joint effort. we just had the county supervisor press conference and the neighbor city. so we are all working as a very coordinated effort to get help out to the community but first and foremost to keep everybody safe. >> people that are not from california or not lived in southern california, they hear of the santa ana winds. could you talk about how

something like this can happen and how powerful they are and how they can take an amber and the spread and why you would be on such alert in this climate with these conditions. >> yes, we went from a red flag warning to what we are seeing right now. as you can see if you been tracking the wins and when you have wind gusting from 60 miles per hour to 100 miles per hour and changing direction. there is no way to predict which way the wind is going to low. it can take a flamed ember and send it over a mile. and you will see it jump sporadically and move from place to place. we saw it jump from the pacific highway and to the coastline. it is difficult to track. we just had president biden and the governor and we were briefed

on the fires as they are being tracked. you can even see on the map out there are big gaps with no fire at all and immediate and eminent danger and evacuations. the wind is very dangerous. we have no way of tracking them and no way of saying which way they're going to go. >> santa monica mayor lana negrete. thank you for speaking with us and please stay safe. if there is anything that you need to get out we are here. this is a live picture. >> we want to remind people to preserve water. we want to remind people to please conserve water and turn off sprinklers do not go out and pose your house down. we need to preserve the water for our firefighters. we are asking people to please in santa monica, conserve your water efforts in terms of sprinklers so we can keep those available for the firefighters.

>> thank you for that and if there is anything else you need to get out, keep your committee safe we are here. when we come back we will hear from residence on what they are doing to take care of each other. a live interview with the fema administrator and will speak to california senator who is just back from touring the devastation in his estate. also we will get a check on the air quality in southern california. steve patterson mentioned it is a huge concern for everybody living in the area. we will have a guest with much more news to get to. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. do not go anywhere. go anywher (vo) sail through the heart of historic cities and unforgettable scenery with viking. unpack once and get closer to iconic landmarks, local life and cultural treasures.

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people are really panicking and really scared right now. most people have evacuated their homes because he's winds are terrible. we would tell people in a crisis. if you abandon your car, leave the keys in the car. so people like me can move it. and firefighters can get the fire trucks through. mothers that have anxiety attacks and panic attacks. help them. help them get out. we should use the kindness and the compassion not just in crisis but all the time. >> that was

msnbc political resident is still here. mike murphy, tell us how you are doing and what you are seeing and hearing. >> well, is an incredibly grim day. we live on the eastern side of the city. most of these fires although they are spread our north and northwest of us. the palides fire and up north into the mountain range where there is a lot of rush. it is hard to understand if you understand los angeles geography. if you are in new york city and manhattan, this was like major fire in queens. right in the metroplex. we know a lot of friends who have lost their houses or they are not sure. they had to flee and they are staying with friends in there waiting to hear.

this is the biggest and worst fire in metro los angeles in history. we will find out and there is a lot of worry. the fire with the wind we had, the santa and the hurricane style wins. they are picking up debris and shooting them like frisbees in all directions that are on fire. you cannot really stop it until the wind goes down. the firefighters are trying to slow it down and protect pieces and rescue people some who do not leave and should have. until the wind dies down, this is incredibly difficult. we are talking over 12,000 acres in the palisades fire alone. it is not over yet. it has been incredibly devastating. >> preservation of life is priority. you hear elected officials talk

about that, and preservation of property follows but we are looking at a war zone. it appears total devastation in some of america's greatest communities. in each one of those homes are families and real lives and people who will be determined to rebuild. but the days ahead are going to be very difficult. the federal government will be there as a partner to provide assistance. that does not make it any easier. many people will be living in hotels for the next 60 days to 90 days and displaced for months and maybe years to come. that is the human story. >> we could hear the despair in the background when misty patterson addressed it in his live reporting. we are just a couple of years out of covid lockdown when your home was her only refuge. i think california is a place

where the restrictions were in place for a long time. it is a very difficult place to obtain and retain fire insurance. and you understand a lot about that in florida as well. >> the economics of a natural disaster do not work anymore. there are a lot of solutions. there is an interaction of human development and residential growth in high risk court orders. hurricanes are a perfect example of building on the water. natural cat - natural occurrences happen everywhere. there is no, and sleet another part of the country. what we are seeing is that insurance carriers leave those high risk corridor markets. we are seeing this mismatch of states coming in if they can the states are trying to do more than read states at times.

the economic crisis as a result of climate change is also in the private insurance market. the biden administration and female party stepped in sync to california that we will reimburse 75% of the fire response to this. the appropriations measures that will come in in the next 90 days will fund a lot of the displacement costs for individuals. it will reimburse municipalities and public authorities for the work. but at the end of the day, if you cannot afford to rebuild or to insure your property. that is where we are going one of the great problems we have. we do not do enough to address climate science, but you're also ignoring the fact that we have this significant risk in communities across the country. the government is either going to help subsidize to pay that

risk on the front or have to bail it out on the back end. peeling it out is always more expensive. >> there is also a california problem. we build a lot of houses and fire quarters. you have to be incredibly vigilant about brush clearing which is expensive. in some parts of l.a. county because government is different. we have 10 million people in l.a. county and only 3.8 million in the city. i had a house in a fire area in laurel canyon. they would fly helicopters over. if they saw an olive trees or brush i would have seven days to get it out or they would come in and do it and bill me. other parts of the county and -- in the city this is going to be big topic after this. they have been too lax because it is expensive and the budget is under control. the prevention that you can do

is nothing done to the extent that it should be. people and warning us about this for years. i totally agree with david on the insurance market. they are going to get highly rattled by this and that is going to be a huge issue. i would not be surprised to see some state reinsurance getting set up like florida had to do. a lot of things are coming back. >> mike murphy, natural disasters have a tendency to re- humanize us as a country. we saw famous actor on the street. if you abandon your car, please leave the keys in and guys like me will move them. i would be remiss if i did not point out that in north carolina when a tragic natural disaster ravaged it was not politicized. just a second, candida and donald trump. where are your thoughts on our ability to stand with a community like los angeles and help them rebuild and keep politics out of it for more than 10 minutes? >> you know, i am hopeful but we have all lived through the

politics of the last decade or so. they have been more corrosive than at and the city will pull together here. there is tremendous frustration and there is going to be a political impact. there is a lot of frustration about other quality-of-life such as crime and homelessness. we are going to have some real political brawls. the mayor will be in real trouble to come back from a foreign trip right now. i think the community will pull together. this is going to be a long march and take time to rebuild. if the fire keeps growing, we are not out of it yet. i hope president elect donald trump will find the grace to know what the tone should be. that would be a change for him but i will hope for the best here. because we could use it.

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a some big legal news. the department of justice is prepared to release jack smith's report. detailing the investigation into president elect donald trump's effort to overturn the election he lost. he formally submit it to attorney general merrick garland. the prosecutors are asking a federal appeals court to overturn yesterday's ruling by trump appointed judge cannon temporarily blocking the release of the report. because what attorney general merrick garland makes public is just one of a much larger report that also includes special counsel jack smith's investigation into donald trump's mishandling of classified documents including

national defense information. the department of justice the attorney general will not publicly release as long as criminal proceedings involving trumps defendant's criminal proceedings are still pending. joining me at the table to unwind all of this is former top official of the department of justice, msnbc analyst mr. wiseman. let us deal with what will become known to the american people about the president elect donald trump's effort to overturn the election he lost in 2020. and it ignited a deadly insurrection. >> is important to separate volume 1 and volume 2. the january 6 material in volume 2 is the mar-a-lago classified document material. it is inconceivable to me that the 11th circuit will rule against the government's application to be able to release the january sixth report. why?

because he has no jurisdiction over that. i do not think she had jurisdiction over the other part but she closed that case. clearly for her to issue that her bias is showing in what she did. the january 6th part should become completely public to everyone in congress and all of us. we should be able to see that. the grand jury material or any type of innocent people. it is the same thing we did earlier. so i would expect that the circuit court will be looking at that piece very quickly. >> if you take this as the obstruction and the collusion volumes, there were four, grand jury, redaction and the declassified information. where would the meadows testimony fall in terms of how that we will see? >> if pence is in the grand jury and not just talking to fbi agents in an interview. the grand jury portion will be

redacted. the fact they were interviewed by the fbi, that is fair game and could be in there. it remains to be seen if all of that material. we do have some preview of that because of course there was litigation with immunity and jack smith had a pretty detailed submission. but there is nothing like getting the actual documents that is really detailed. i think we will see that. >> i guess i would ask and focus in. we have heard so much from liz cheney and tim av and others about the delta between what jack smith had access to and where the republican congressional investigation went. a lot of that is in the mike pence testimony and minnows. what else will we learn for the first time from the jack smith's report? >> the down side but you are dead on. the key difference between the

january 6 investigation and what jack smith was able to do is the grand jury. they have the power to basically say that if you do not want to testify or meet with us? fine. you can get a grand jury subpoena to the extent that people just went to the grand jury. that is going to be redacted of material and that is almost by operation of law because of the grand jury secrecy rules. as soon as somebody said imagine if you are defense counsel for meadows or mike pence. and you know that you have to go into the grand jury. a typical defense lawyer -- i been a prosecutor and defense attorney that will say what are you interview him first. it is preferable from a defense side to habit in that situation. to the extent that it happened by an interview we can see all of that. we will hear exactly what mike pence would say about his

explicit directions. just to be clear, that could also be true with white house counsel. >> there were a lot of people that we saw in the position that were not particularly forthcoming that jack smith had access to according to liz cheney. >> exactly, and jack smith had the benefit of all of that and figure out where the holes and could have filled them. although we have the big picture from the january 6, there is still a lot of details they could have filled in. remember people testified but remember, when it comes to my direct communication with the president, i'm not answering. but you can be sure that jack smith did not leave it at that. if that happened during an interview, that is the type of material that we will get. >> when will see the jack smith

report? when is the trigger? >> i would assume, given what is going on, as soon as the circuit says that this state is over with respect to volume 1 of january 6. garland should be ready to say fine, it is out and i will publish it. >> my brain went to warring for greenland and panama when you said that. we should prepared for this as well. >> just remember, what judge cannon did. she said unless the 11th circuit changes it, i'm going to keep the stay in place until three days after the 11th circuit rules. the 11th circuit needs to say no. it is over now. >> she has been overruled by the circuit. >> twice already. >> let me ask you what we will

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he has now asked his friends at the supreme court to hold friday's sentencing for his 34 count conviction and his hush money interference case. the high court asked manhattan da office to respond by thursday morning before they make a decision. the judge is overseeing this case has said that he does not plan to sentence trump to any jail time, at all. the sentencing mean that trump can formally be labeled a felon, a 1st for the former president or president-elect of the united states of america. we are back with andrew and david. david? >> if the supreme court gives him any grace, there is no more questions about the supreme court. there is zero reason that he is going to go to jail. part of the filing said that this would interfere with his preparations to become president. he calls and he has plans for a rally, a political rally before

the inauguration. we will see what the supreme court does. what i wrestle with and including the reports yet to be released. is there anything joe biden can do in the next 12 days. e reasoni wrestle with this is because this accountability is gone. president elect donald trump is not going to go to prison and he will start rewriting history along with the republican party. what i struggle is that we have heard from candidate biden about his concerns about donald trump. perhaps use the power of the presidency on his way out. the department of justice has found these things. i see donald trump has violated the office of the presidency. i have concerns about the presidency going forward. it would be so historically unusual but also what we are living through right now. a searing indictment from the outgoing president about the incoming president i think is appropriate. >> here is the other thing, everything is in a defensive side.

and we also have obligations to the allies. and mar-a-lago sure about his alleged criminality it is also about what our allies do on january 21st. and january 22nd, do they give us intel? sure they know what trump did with nuclear information? joe biden has an obligation to america to americans and to americans allies. here is what he is away at mar- a-lago and that is the argument for the volume that is not even to be released. on the january 6th stuff, there are law enforcement officers who live with the trauma and have the courage to come on the air and talk about what that is like. they will be retraumatized every day as the insurrection is pardoned. we really do not even know what he is going to do. but he will violent - part in violent insurrectionist that led the death of several law enforcement officers.

>> i do not think joe biden will do anything to the january 6 report for all the reasons you are saying that needs to be made public. it will be made public. although i do agree that joe biden as president could just order the release of it. he is also immune. but i do not think that he will need to get a court order. >> it is just amazing that nobody thinks that he would do anything for which you would require it. >> i think using his voice, the power of the presidency as opposed to the department of justice. we understand that different nature. with the power of the president leaving saying that donald trump did this. >> let us focus on mar-a-lago. i am just being very practical, the january 6 piece will come out. the mar-a-lago piece for the reasons you just said. but also he is going to be in that report. he is somebody that is going to

propose to be the head of the fbi. >> also any eyewitness. >> according to jack smith own statement is somebody who is not being truthful. how are you going to have a hearing about kash patel without him in that report? >> how does this anywhere resemble a united states senator or leader of that body if he does not want to share that with his members of the parties? >> how are we not entitled to that as a person is going to be the head of the fbi. >> andrew weissmann, thank you for being here. and unbelievable hour, jack jolly. we will come back to our top stories with the tragic fires raging in los angeles. the fema administrator will join us on the other side from this short break. "deadline: white house" continues in a couple of minutes. do not go anywhere.

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and that's why we love it here so much. >> have you ever seen -- could you imagine this happening at your home? >> no, no. you know, we stayed until 1:50 last night, just when the embers got too big, that's when we left. we never thought it would happen to us. >> i'm so glad you're safe. that's what really matters. >> yeah, it is. thank you so much. >> stories like that litter this neighborhood. this is what it's been about all day. >> a report from the last hour. hi, again, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york, it's 2:00 in california, as our colleague there, steve patterson's extraordinary live report in the last hour has shown hearts of that state are experiencing what can only be described as an apocalyptic nightmare. deadly wildfires, at least three of them now fueled by bone dry conditions and accelerated by the santa ana hurricane strength winds, scorching paths through high population areas through los angeles. homes, schools, businesses,

entire communities that stood proudly at this hour yesterday, have been reduced to ash. the immediate priority is, of course, saving lives. at least two people are dead, as the fires still rage. so as a protective measure, some 80,000 people have been ordered to evacuate. many did so by car, but in the course of fleeing and trying to get out, some drivers in pacific palisades appeared to realize the fire was moving too fast and they abandoned their vehicles in the gridlock. so the fire department bulldozed its way through some of those areas, clearing away vehicles and allowing crews to get through at-risk areas. others unable to escape on their own, like those living at this nursing home in pasadena, were subject to heroic, yet harrowing evacuations. and then there are the secondary effects of such an event. water systems pushed to the extreme limits, air quality

reaching emergency, dangerous levels, power disruptions affecting people far outside the immediate danger zones. this is an unmitigated natural disaster, one that is quickly becoming a humanitarian one as well. as we speak, evacuation centers and makeshift shelters alike are opening their arms to americans in shock, people who over the last 12 to 24 hours have lost everything. watch. >> it's like a bad, bad, horrific dream. >> i've been trying to get to my house for five hours. >> right around, up and around those two homes, they didn't catch fire, but everything around them did. >> the only thing i heard above the wind was the power lines popping. >> i told my wife as we're driving out of here, is this happening to us? we were watching on the news ourselves and saying, wow, what a tragedy, what's going on. boom, here we were. >> we start the hour with fema administrator deanne criswell.

thank you so much for joining us. tell us what you understand the current state of emergency to be in los angeles. >> well, what we're seeing right now is still a very dynamic and dangerous situation, and i think the most important thing that i can say to everybody watching is you need to listen to your local officials so they can tell you where to go and where to be safe. this is still changing and very dangerous, so i want people to pay attention. but this is tragic, and we are seeing so much loss and there's still nothing under control at this point, because the winds are so strong. so we will continue to work side by side with the state, understanding exactly what their specific needs are so we can give them the resources they need to help these people as they start their road to recovery. >> when you see the images of destruction that are available now while the reports are that the fires, all three of them are zero percent contained, how do

you begin to model the recovery for that much damage? >> i mean, we are talking right now 1,000 structures is what we're hearing. we don't know how many of those are homes. but we're looking at what the potential maximum impact could be, and then trying to figure out how are we going to be able to support these individuals with their recovery needs, where are they going to stay, how are they going to get food and clothing to help resupply them. we'll work with our nonprofit agencies, as well as private sector partners supporting the state, supporting california as they are implementing their programs. our goal is to make sure we're meeting the governor's needs. i've communicated with governor newsom. we want to make sure we give him what he needs to support the people that have been impacted. >> there are reports of at least one school in pacific palisades that's been impacted. what are the success stories that fema looks to where you've had to support a community's entire infrastructure, including

schools and homes and all their utilities? i mean, what is the success story that fema looks to when it figures out how to help communities like pacific palisades? >> i mean, every one of these events is different and each one has its own unique characteristics, but i can think back recently to the wildfires in maui, and i just went there to check on the recovery. we've set up temporary schools, a catholic school, as well as a public school, so the children can continue with their education. we've set up temporary housing to support the people that were displaced. those are the types of things we're going to have to do here, maybe even on a grander scale than what we saw in maui. but we just don't know yet. we are going to support the governor, work with his team on exactly how much of this community is impacted once the storm passes. i'm going to travel there on friday, so i can see firsthand what the damages are right now, knowing that they'll potentially get worse, so i can make sure we're bringing everything from

the federal government as president biden has directed, to support these people. >> fema is so vital, it is the lifeline, it is sort of the face and the hands of the federal government for people in their darkest hours, and there's some very disturbing recent examples in north carolina where people didn't want to take that outstretched hand. how are you ensuring that the information and the truth about what fema is there to do to support californians gets to them? >> you know, the messaging piece of this has always been very important, but we have new challenges with social media and the way that everybody gets information, and they get it so differently. we've got to find trusted messengers in the community to be able to give that information out. we've got to put our own people on the ground being able to help the individuals. it's why we have staff already embedded, the state emergency operations center, so we can be working with them and helping

with their messaging. they're the ones that are going to set the tone and we want to be able to augment that. once this declaration gets through the final process and we know specifically the areas that are going to be declared, then we want people to reach out for that assistance so they can start their recovery process and get the recovery moving. >> i guess my last question would be, you know, this is a crisis and a tragedy ongoing, and we've heard through some extraordinary reporting from my colleagues on the ground there the sounds and the tears and the pain of an event like this. what is your message to americans going through some of the worst hours and days of their lives? >> you know, the first one i have to just reiterate, this is still a very dangerous situation and i want people to make sure they're listening closely to their local officials so they can get out of harm's way. but then i just want them to know that they can rely on their

federal government to come in and support them. they can rely on their neighbors, their friends, to help them. there are resources that are out there, whether it's the federal government and our nonprofit or churches. we are going to bring all of these together to help you through this. there are going to be difficult days, guaranteed. but when we work together, we can help people achieve the outcomes they're trying to get to. >> fema administrator deanne criswell, thank you very much for starting us off this hour. if there's any message that you need to get out to the people affected by the fires or in harm's way, we are here. wave your arms and we'll get you right back on the air. >> thank you. joining our coverage, california senator alex padilla has been touring the damage, devastation caused by the wildfires with president biden and california governor gavin newsom. senator, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, nicolle, for having me and for paying such

close attention to the multiple disasters and fires here in southern california. >> tell us what you're seeing and what you're hearing and what people need right now. >> first and foremost, my heart goes out to the tens of thousands of families that have been evacuated, impacted, some of their houses are still standing, some have lost their homes, many are not sure yet because these are still very active fires. so what we're seeing, an ongoing situation. this is not a case where a fire maybe comes through a community and that's it. the embers, as the reporters have been explaining and covering, given the wind conditions, the dry conditions, the big uncertainty and concern is is it possible for the same community, the same block to catch fire yet again, because

conditions are coming back and forth. so we're in it for a long haul, just to fight the fires until they're finally extinguished. it's going to be days and weeks, not a matter of hours, to get this closure. the palisades, eaton canyon and those surrounding communities, the hurst fire up in northern city of los angeles territory is doing better today, but still not out. so we're fighting these fires on multiple fronts. >> a lot of californians have struggled to obtain or retain fire insurance. how do you make sure that everybody rebuilds and that, once they rebuild, they're able to obtain fire insurance? >> you're absolutely right. it's been a challenge for years prior to these fires. these last couple of days, just the latest example of the impacts of climate change. our weather patterns are changing, and so the risk calculation for insurers and

homeowners and small business owners trying to insure their property is very different. and california is not alone. i think that there's an opportunity on a national basis, whether it's wildfires, earthquakes in the west and the floods and hurricanes in the southeast, tornadoes elsewhere in the country, we really have to grapple with more extreme weather events and what it means to be able to insure property and have a federal program, a backstop to the private insurance market. >> climate change has ushered in never before -- i can't tell you how many times i've read these words, a storm we've never seen before, hurricane damage we've never covered before in north carolina. do you -- with an incoming president in donald trump, how do you approach an issue like

climate change with someone like him? >> look, we have our work cut out for us, no doubt, between the incoming president trump, who is still a climate denier, who has got it in for california, especially. that's a twofold challenge we have. but my hope is that appealing to reasonable minds in the senate and in congress -- look, a lot of republicans come from states and from districts that know this all too well. fires alone is not a california issue. look throughout the west, from arizona, nevada, into utah and beyond. you have a lot of colleagues engaged on these concerns. if we consider other types of natural disasters, tornadoes, hurricanes, that sort of thing, then you do have sort of a collective national responsibility to address it. how do we better build communities to be more resilient

given our changing climate, let alone how do we help families and businesses recover when incidents do happen. the climate is changing, but so is the science and technology to detect and anticipate. one of the things that's devastating, as these fires have been in los angeles, it could have been a lot worse if it wasn't for the pre-positioning of assets, a lot of firefighters that came in throughout the region in anticipation of these fires, because of the dry conditions, the temperatures, and the winds that weather forecasters had informed us. >> senator alex padilla, a lot on your plate today, we thank you for taking the time to join us for our coverage. as i've said to everyone who has joined us -- >> thank you, and one last message for folks watching, if you're in los angeles and you're impacted. go to notifyla.org for resources, including shelter information should you need it. >> we'll put that up. i've said to everyone who has joined us, if there's anything

else you've learned or anything else you need to get out to the residents of southern california, please wave an arm and we'll get you right back on the air. thank you very much. >> thank you so much. let's bring in to our coverage the mayor of flint ridge, california, under a mandatory evacuation order because of the eaton fire. mr. mayor, tell us how your community is doing and what you need from the state and federal government. >> thank you for having us on. i think our community is doing pretty well. we're without power over at least 90% of our city. we are -- in altadena where the eaton fire is, and also adjacent to pasadena, so we're extremely concerned. the wind pattern has been holding for our city, which is fortunate, but it is obviously much less fortunate for people that are immediately impacted.

so right now we're in a watch-and-wait situation. our resources, emergency operation centers are in coordination with the county and state. so we are prepared, we believe, as best we can. and so, again, we're hopeful that the winds will die down and the fires can somewhat get under control. go ahead. >> i'm sorry. no, i was going to say, can you just take us back? there's always a temptation to race ahead to what happens next. can you take us back to the earliest hours when you realized the winds were not in your favor and that your community was in the direct path, and just tell us what happened and how you were able to successfully evacuate so many people? >> so we -- last night the winds started to pick up severely. they had predicted that. it came about 9:00. we started to hit some power outages across the city, and

then with the emergency operations center, with the county and the state, we went onto what they refer to as an evacuation warning. so that's an initial warning to identify that this potentially could be a mandatory evacuation. that was maybe about 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. and then with the wind continuing, with its high speeds and unpredictability, we went on to a mandatory evacuation. we got a lot of on people's pho then also our sheriff's department was very good about patrolling up and down the streets with their loudspeakers, letting everyone know. there was quite a bit of traffic in the morning getting out of our community, but nothing that was devastating. so in that sense, there was some order there. and we've -- unfortunately, because of where we're located, we have experienced wildfires

and high winds before, so i think a lot of our residents are very sensitive to that and we're appreciative for their response to be responsible citizens and heed the add advice of our first responders. >> the images are inconceivable, and i wonder if you've had an opportunity to assess all of the damages and tell us about them. >> so the damages from the eaton fire, the palisades fire is horrifically awful. the eaton fire, which is by us, is almost equally as terrible. so many structures, so many businesses. i mean, in the palisades, some of the news information that we're watching is, you know, the entire community has been wiped out. so that's veno in our small communy,

fortunate, we haven't had any major damage. a lot of trees down and things like that, but our structures are still intact. so we're very grateful for that, but the devastation from the eaton fire, which is, again, just next door, is tremendously awful and it's going to take many, many years to rebuild. >> we'll stay on the story, and if there's any information we can help you get out to your constituents, we are here. thank you for taking the time to talk to us. >> appreciate it. thank you. when we come back, we'll have much more on the devastating wildfires in los angeles. a fifth fire has now erupted. all of the fires are reported to be right now zero percent contained. we'll also talk about the health impacts they're having on millions in the area because of that dangerous air quality we've been talking about.

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. let's bring back into our coverage our friend, nbc's jacob soboroff still on the ground in southern california for us. jacob, we lost you mid-sentence because of the conditions there. bring us up to date what you've seen and learned over the last hour and a half. >> reporter: every way you turn, every street you go down, it's sheer and utter devastation here in pacific palisades, nicolle. and part of the reason is because the wind continues to shift. it's the reason i'm able to take off the respirator and googles,

even though there's a fire burning over my shoulder in the giant house behind me, the methodist church just burned down on this side. it's like no rhyme or reason to the direction the wind is blowing. and i continue to see, and i want to shout-out one more time, the first responders who are responding in this mutual aid effort from all over southern california, manhattan santa mon malibu, rapid relief team. i don't even know who these people are driving by. but it really has brought out the best and most inspiring part about human beings. i think i was talking to you last when our signal went down about what governor gavin newsom said to me. he was on the phone with the white house and with president biden telling me that he was working on getting federal aid for what is going to be a, no doubt, years-long cleanup effort here. if i can put it any way for people to understand what it's like to stand here in the middle of this beautiful, beautiful

community right now, imagine the place where you lived, where you grew up, where you spent most of your life, literally being wiped off the map. the community, the name is still here, but nothing that you remember is recognizable, and there is no place for anybody to live. that's the situation we're facing today here, and people continue to ask the question why and how. and i think that there will certainly be people looking into what the response was and when and how it played out. but really today is about bringing people back and starting this recovery even as the flames continue to burn here. >> jacob, i can see the wind, i can see it blowing the smoke behind you. i can see it blowing your hair. i can see that this is a very active situation. just tell me what the minute-to-minute decisionmaking is like for first responders there. >> reporter: down the street, you can see two units i think

from los angeles city fire down the street. what i continue to see is fire personnel responding as these hot spots flare up, and literally i think, where they go, where the wind goes, so go the first responders. the idea that over 24 hours after this fire started, and in such an urban setting, that's really what this is. remember, everybody, this is not a wildfire in the wilderness, this is a wildfire in the middle of the city of los angeles. as the winds continue to shift, they pick up and they go as soon as they can. i was down at a makeshift gas station for all of these vehicles earlier today, and i was talking to one of the first responders, firefighters from manhattan beach, who said he hadn't slept in 24 hours. that is because, without the air cover that they are normally able to have in a situation like this because of all of this wind, they are just going from hot spot to hot spot. and just when you think -- i was

going to say -- take a look up. just when you think you see blue sky, this is what it lookthen i the middle of day. it's only 2:27 p.m. here, and a cloud coming over us as if it was about to be dusk. >> and that's all smoke, right? that's the smoke from the fire that's contributing to the dangerous air quality. >> reporter: yes. >> tell us what the hours ahead are going to be like. we've done minute-to-minute. tell me what and when they will exhale there. >> reporter: absolutely critical. and i don't think anyone is going to fully exhale. you see people trying to come back. one of the things we would like to caution people if they're watching right now, because i know you have a lot of viewers in the l.a. area, don't come right now. people have texted me, and i have gone by several houses of people who have gotten in touch, even people on social media who have reached out that want to know the status of their homes. what i have to say is that

pacific palisades as you know it is gone. if you live in the alphabet streets, most of those homes are gone. if you live in the huntington palisades, many of those homes have been absolutely devastated or destroyed. if you live in the palisades highlands, do not go back up. i think there's a big urge for people to get back inside to see what's happening. there are some people riding by, as always in these types of situations, knuckleheads on scooters or making videos for social media. get out of here. now is not the time. these first responders need every available inch of street to do what they're doing, to extinguish the flames so that not another inch of this beautiful and beloved community burns. but i don't think that we're minutes or hours away from that, nicolle, unfortunately. >> we are watching a structure behind you burn. can you tell us what goes into the decisionmaking about letting

something -- that looks sizable and we are watching it burn to the ground. >> reporter: the sheer number of personnel available at any given moment to attack any given structure fire. and so the places that i've seen, the majority of first responders recently are in densely packed areas where houses abut other homes. the middle of this town, the palisades village, is completely gone. literally the center of town, for all intents and purposes, doesn't exist anymore. so where i see first responders congregating are places they know if they stop one structure from burning, it's going to prevent another one from going down. i just don't know honestly how they do it. it's hard to stand here and talk to you as the winds continue to shift. they've been out here without sleep, eating as they go, working with people from other agencies and other jurisdictions, without stop and without fail, and, honestly, i haven't heard a complaint from any one of them.

i'm just looking around, as the wind continues to shift, you don't know what branch is going to fall, what part of the building is going to burn next. and i think that's what they're looking at most. here you go, speaking of which, this is part of the united methodist church which is on fire. this is a building that seems to be largely burned, and so it does appear that these first responders are going to continue to stay down there and try to protect the homes down at the end of the street. >> this may be a dumb question, but if you're not a student of firefighting, is there a risk that the winds pick up embers from the structures they're allowing to burn, and how do they protect the structures down the road from the ones we see burning behind you? >> reporter: it's no doubt about it. i think yesterday the concern was all of these fires burned quickly uphill. but now you see embers coming towards the lower elevations. in fact, everything that's in that direction is sloping toward

the pacific ocean. if you were to continue on to the end of the street, on a normal day, in a normal circumstance, one of the most beautiful views that you can see in the state of california, looking out over the pacific ocean, everything is sloping in that direction. and that is the concern, nicolle. where are the embers going? you really can't stop them. that's just the reality. and to stand here, there's a helpless feeling, i'm being honest with you, there's a helpless feeling standing here and watching one building to the next go up, watching power poles fall down, watching a community become increasingly more impassable and more unrecognizable as the minutes go on. >> a couple minutes ago you said pacific palisades as you know it is gone. that obviously means something to you. tell me what that means to people who call pacific palisades home. >> reporter: i was just saying to bianca who is out here

producing the work i'm doing, that right down this street -- i'll show you. there's a veterinarian's office that my parents were animal people and had a lot of dogs over the course of my childhood. that was our vet. the vet is gone. around the corner down there, that was my pediatrician's office, nicolle, on the corner over there. if you make a right-hand turn, there's a restaurant, or was one, cafe vida, and next to that was the chinese restaurant, and next to that was the local starbucks, on the other side of the street, noah's bagels. i could close my eyes and walk around and tell you everything about this community. >> we lost you for a second, but not before you made me cry. i invented a word since i've been on the air, the

rehumanization in our politics and a lot of the stories we cover together require a de-humanization of people in our communities. and there's a gift you've given us today and something that's obviously a really painful story for you. it is sort of the re-humanization of our neighbors. there aren't democrats and republicans losing their communities, they're neighbors and friends and moms and dads and kids who have lost their vet's office and pediatrician's office and their schools and their churches and their homes. i'm so grateful to you, and really the gift of bringing this community that you love so much to life is something that we are all grateful to you for, jacob. thank you so much. please stay safe. >> reporter: thank you so much. and just really briefly, if i could say, there's a lot of people who come and work and support the people who live in these communities and the homes and the businesses, that keep them open. they're not the residents, but the people from other parts of los angeles, maybe not as

affluent and in the spotlight. it runs on angelinos, people from all over the city that make it what it is. i hope everybody can hold something in their heart for all of those people, because this is a community that's as much theirs as the people that lay their head here at night. >> jacob soboroff, as only you can do, thank you so much for deepening our understanding of the story that everyone is covering, but no one is covering just like you. thank you. >> reporter: thank you. i want to turn to something jacob and others have talked about, and that is this major health issue facing millions of people living in and around the l.a. area, all the smoke and soot and ash. jacob talked about the cloud above him, so dark it looks like nighttime. it suddenly kicked up into the atmosphere since the fire began. it is creating an air quality crisis, emergency in the surrounding area. authorities are recommending

people in parts of los angeles county, including malibu, take measures to protect themselves, because such poor air quality can have an effect on anyone breathing it in, especially people who are very, very young, very old, or pregnant or with any other underlying conditions. joining us on that is global health policy expert, msnbc medical contributor, dr. vin gupta. dr. gupta, jacob had his mask on. he took it off because the wind shifted. it made me nervous, but i trust he's taking the advice of the experts on the ground. tell us what people in and around los angeles affected by the fires and near them need to know today. >> yeah, of course. very moving segment, just catching that with you and jacob. first of all, just thank you for sharing that and for letting jacob share how meaningful all of this is really to him from a personal standpoint.

that affected me just listening to that. to the matter at hand, though, from a health standpoint, there's things that every one of your viewers, especially in the l.a. county area, but frankly, given the world we live in, nicolle, need to keep in mind, smoke is a reality for most of the country now, but especially now in southern california. so i want to divide it into a few things, but acutely, if you are facing flames as we speak in some form, if you're close to a fire, often what happens, and this gets underplayed, is that acute smoke exposure, nicolle, far away from flames, can be as dangerous, if not more dangerous than the flames themselves. and so when it comes to fires, more deaths actually occur because of smoke exposure than because of heat from, say, a flame. so it's important to keep that in mind. if you're near a fire and can't evacuate, can't get out, which is number one, get out if you can, go and get as low as you possibly can.

critical to do that. get low to the ground, because smoke rises to the top. so if you're in an enclosed space and can't open up a window, try to get to the door, but do so by getting as low to the ground as possible, because smoke rises to the ceiling, that's number one. number two, just for everybody to make sure, especially if you have family members that might be in harm's way, are less mobile, this is a safety issue, of course, especially as we're aging, less mobility, we have to be thinking about how do we evacuate people safely. but, again, smoke exposure can cause rapid incapacitation, exposure to carbon oxide. we hear people getting exposed if their car wasn't turned off and their entire home is exposed. but this is something that's critical, carbon monoxide binds to key cells in your blood and they actually take up oxygen or they displace oxygen and you rapidly become altered, dizzy. so that's the concern here, is

inkpas in kpas tagz, even from a few minutes. for those with asthma, you had mentioned young people, i would also add in anybody that's pregnant. we know just a few minutes of exposure to wildfire smoke, recently some data showed, can actually harm your developing baby's immune system for years afterwards. that's something to keep in mind. and especially those with pre-existing conditions. what can you do to keep your home safe? first of all, stay indoors. i think jacob's point, this is not a time to be outside. close your windows, close your doors. i would recommend even putting heavy heavy duty tape on your windows, the frame of the window so you can minimize particles disseminating into your ambient and home environment. try to use an air purifier. many of us have those, over the last five years we've purchased them. if you don't have one, you can do a diy air filter where you

get a box fan and have a 13 filter right next to it, so you can jerry-rig one. if you have one already, try to run it around the clock. especially for everybody in southern california, if you have air-conditioning, that's something you want to make sure you're running continuously. not only does it make it a cooler environment, it's actively filtering the air around you. those are things you can do for your ambient environment. number two, i would quickly say, to jacob's point and all the firefighters out there, all the first responders, i've seen a lot of folks wear respirators, n-95 masks that you and i have talked about many times. that's good. that blocks out that particulate black soot from entering your lungs, which we know is devastating to human health. the thing we have to keep in mind is that it actually does not prevent you from inhaling volatile gases and toxics gases that are common in wildfire smoke. that's where you want something like a gas mask.

that's critical ppe for reporters on the ground like jacob, and also for firefighters. i've seen a lot of images out there of firefighters not wearing anything. we want to make sure they have the right ppe, something to keep in mind. gas masks is ideal versus a respirator or n-95 mask that blocks soot but does not block toxics gases from getting breathed in. >> i imagine with what jacob described as a huge fire in the middle of an urban area, that's a real danger for all the first responders and reporters on the ground. dr. gupta, thank you so much for joining us. we'll continue to call on you in the coming days. we're going to switch gears a little bit around here. coming up next, we'll turn to another big story, just days before the crisis in california that underscores the importance of accurate information, facts, something we spoke to the fema administrator about. social media giant meta all but guts any effort to even try to root out disinformation from its

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natural disasters, emergencies, horrific events like hurricanes, fires, things like what is unfolding right now before our eyes in real time in california should demonstrate the urgent need, the necessity for all outlets, all disseminators of information to

want to disseminate clear, correct, accurate truths. lives literally depend on it right now as we have this conversation in los angeles. and yet, and yet, and yet, there's always a but, the largest social media platform in the world went the other direction this week, decided, nah, eff it. they turned away from any attempt to have a platform that showcases accurate information and even pretends to hold themselves accountable for disseminating accurate factual information. meta ceo mark zuckerberg announced yesterday that his company was doing away with all efforts at fact-checking on its platforms, facebook, instagram, and threads. keep that in mind if you're on any of those platforms. they said, again, screw it, we're done, we're out of the

truth and fact business. instead, they're going to turn to something called community notes. it's the model that the platform currently known as twitter, now elon musk's x has used to basically turn that platform into a dumpster fire of disinformation. mark zuckerberg and his deputies saying the system they had been using resulted in, quote, too many mistakes and too much censorship as to why the change is happening right now. listen to how they put it. >> the recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech. so we're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free expression on our platforms. >> meta recently elevated former white house deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush to be its global policy

chief. he went on fox & friends yesterday to echo his boss' praise of, quote, free expression, and the incoming trump administration. and on monday, meta appointed this man to its board of directors. if you don't recognize him, his name is dana white. he's the ufc ceo. he happens to be a close friend of donald trump. if all of that doesn't have you worried enough, zuckerberg also said that meta will be moving its content review team from the state of california to the state of texas to, quote, help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content, end quote. joining our conversation, president of media matters for america is back, and professor of history at new york university is here. ruth, i'll start with you. >> yes, well, you know, if you

want to please donald trump, you will do two things, which mark zuckerberg is doing. you will give money, lots of it, to donald trump, and he's donating a million to the inauguration. and you will also create an environment that allows trump and maga and his allies lies and claims and half-truths to more easily circulate. and it's really striking that in his speech zuckerberg said that it's fact-checking that's created a lack of trust, which is very orwellian, because, of course, it's disinformation, the purpose of disinformation is to break trust among people and turn them against each other and cause people to not know what to believe, so they're more dependent on the leader. and maybe the only trust that was broken was, you know, trump's trust in zuckerberg when he was, you know, actually

upholding authenticity and upholding objectivity through fact-checking. now zuckerberg has moved to take that obstacle away to him being treated well by trump, which seems to be his main objective. >> angelo, i feel like so many of our conversations are around the non-reality, and trump has done a good enough job at that to be re-elected. why does mark zuckerberg want so desperately to help? >> in a way, he sort of hinted at it in his announcement. i think one is to avoid consequences, and we've talked about this with project 2025, one of the people that wrote the project 2025 around the section 230, the thing that prevents tech companies from being sued, it gives them immunity, brendan carr, he's trump's designate to be the fcc chair. he wrote a letter to these companies basically saying we're

going to come at you and your 230 protections if you continue to censor. one of the things he described as censorship are fact-checking programs. so in a way, zuckerberg was inoculating himself against what was likely going to be an assault, project 2025, a small part of it. there's something more insidious, he said he's going to work with the trump administration to push back and sort of get the eu to roll back a bunch of their policies and protections in place. the eu has a much more robust set of regulatory -- regulations around the social media companies for privacy, for data protection, for information, for their obligations around their algorithm, what they're promoting and not promoting, hate speech and extremism. and it's pretty clear just based on that announcement and where the tea leaves are that he wants to be at the table. he wants facebook to be one of the recipients of sort of a lax of those regulations, and it's

all going to be under the guise of free speech, but it's a free-for-all that advantages the alternative reality that trump is spinning. and that's really the part about this. the fact-checking piece of this, the part that's so unsettling, is all they did was roll back fact-checking, truth might be able to survive. but he did a lot more as a part of these changes of policies, because in addition to rolling back fact-checking, they're also getting rid of the limitation and the slowing down of certain types of political information or a lot of political information. they reduced the reach of that for the last few years. so they're not only going to allow poison into the system, but zuckerberg is simultaneously opening up the spigot while this new poison is being injected into there. so some of it is done to avoid consequences, but also he's going to get something out of this, deregulation broadly, and then in the short term it's going to greatly benefit the

alternative reality that trump and his allies are trying to build. >> ruth, let me read you the bull analysis of this. mark zuckerberg is a surrender monkey. quote, tell me, what's the point of being worth $209 billion if you can't play offense against politicians who might target you and your business. why is zuckerberg acting like a surrender monkey instead of a titan of industry who has an infinite bank roll. couldn't zuckerberg be the one making trump's life difficult if he wanted to? imagine if he oriented toward trump. but, of course, that is unthinkable. what is it that makes the richest and -- and we also have an example this week of the

jeff bezos. why is it the richest and most powerful who seem to crumble and cower the fastest, and most humiliating acts? >> it's certainty dispiriting and often disgusting to look at that, because indeed they are the people who should be relatively immune from any consequences of lawsuits. they have the money to defend themselves. but it's always been like this. autocrats make these kind of bargains with the richest industry titans and, you know, authoritarianism is about taking away rights for the many, but giving the very few more liberties. and that's where deregulation comes in, it's where privatization comes in, and that's very important to authoritarianism all over the world, that the rich grow

richer, the foundation of neo-liberal economics practiced during in chile, so people feel it's a free-for-all and they're going to cash out by being able to plunder the economy, plunder the workforce, because the regulations won't be there. and that evidently appeals to bezos, zuckerberg, and all the others who are lining up to kiss trump's ring. >> we'll stay on this story on a day we aren't juggling so much breaking news. i look forward to talking to both of you about it in the coming days. angelo and ruth, thank you. another break for us. we'll be right back.

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