tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC January 8, 2025 10:00pm-11:00pm PST
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across los angeles county, at least five people are dead and more than 100,000 are under mandatory evacuation orders as multiple wild fires continue to rage across the area, there is a new fast moving fire that has started in the hollywood hills. right now, it is being referred to as the sunset fire. and the los angeles fire department has issued a mandatory evacuation for parts of that area, msnbc will continue to follow this destructive situation as we have more information throughout the evening. so please stay with our coverage. but as of now, that is our show for tonight. now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening. the entire city of los angeles, the entire region has fire spreading through it from the
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western edge that we knew about last night. the pacific palisades, now, to what you just reported the hollywood hills. that is just about dead center. and then we have already had fire out on the eastern edge of los angeles. this means that really everyone in the region now, people who an hour ago in the middle of town, who were in the hollywood area thinking they are completely safe are now in their cars not knowing where they are going. this really is something we have never ever seen before. >> and that sunset fire is now at 20 acres of flame. >> we will try to bring in as much simulcasting from knbc in los angeles to show these images that are just stunning. >> all right lawrence.
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we'll stick with your coverage. thank you. well, as this fire now spreads, literally all the way across the los angeles region, this is the night when my house might burn down. it is being threatened by fire now in a way that wasn't possible yesterday or early today that we didn't know about. so many friends of mine have already lost their homes in los angeles. patrick verone, someone i have known since college. former president of the writer's guild. that house has been lost in the palisades. he is not the only one. as many as half of the writers on the very popular tv show he has written for many years,
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half of them have lost their homes. the situation is happening in a way we have never seen before. just got a text from daniel wall who is also a screen writer who live ins the region who has press credentials and has been allowed into areas that other people could not get into at this hour. he is literally the last person who has seen my house standing. the last time he looked at it, it was standing but we don't know whether it is now. and by the way, that's the way it is for everyone who has evacuated. as we do not know once we are out of the area what is happening to our house. unless people see images of the
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complete burning down of houses in that area. daniel reported to me in text what he was seeing, described it as something he has never seen before in all of his reporting. various hot spots and difficult situations. and this was just at sunset when he said it was very surreal. as the wind starts kicking up now. and this smoke funnels out toward the ocean like a sideways tornado sucking it out into the coming night. and then, there was the text today from my dear friend michael dinner. just a brilliant director. one of the greatest director ins the history of television. whose work you have seen in everything from the wonder years to justified. michael lost his home in the pacific palisades yesterday and everything in it. it's the home where his two
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sons grew up. the home where the family celebrated the holidays together and everything around them where they were sitting when they were celebrating the holidays has been lost. michael texted me today. with the simplest expression. and what has been happening to thousands of families in los angeles. he said the loss of the house they loved isn't the most difficult part. he said it's the stuff. the evidence of four lives. gone. that pain is being felt. it is about five deaths which is of course the ultimate
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horror in this situation. there will probably be more. but the biggest widespread loss will be the loss of the stuff. the evidence of four lives lived for the last 20 years in a house. that will be happening to so many people. i have the possibility of my house burning down, 2500 miles away. this will not be a difficult experience to me compared to anything that my friends have gone through. but this is the way los angeles residents are now all living in los angeles. no matter where we are. if you have a home in los angeles, if you have an apartment, if you have anything in los angeles now, you do not know anymore whether you will see it again. gadi schwartz has just arrived from the pacific palisades which was the biggest problem before. now, to the hollywood hills where the new fire has erupted
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there. just about an hour ago. we have been watching it on these helicopters which have been allow today fly tonight. what is the latest there? >> we see the helicopters above us. they are such a sign of relief. especially in the last few days. we haven't seen them flying. we got them flying over the hollywood hills now. we just pulled up. i'm not sure if this is going to work because i'm on my phone here. we will take a walk and see what we can see. these are all cars making their way down the hill. and we have the first tanker we have seen, that is the laugh factory over there. this is the cvs pharmacy. right here on crescent heights. so far, we haven't seen any flames up on the ridge. but we have seen flames over on the other side of the laugh factory.
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it is still quite a ways away. but you see the helicopters working up there. we will wait and hold on real fast here. and see if we can wait for this traffic to come through. there are roadblocks in this area. the wind is not as bad as yesterday. let's make our way across. again, you have fire department that is staging down here. and then, these are the hills that are now being evacuated. we are told the evacuation zone is up there on muhulland drive. goes all the way down to laurel canyon. so this whole area, all of these homes are most likely under evacuation at this moment. you see if i can zoom in here.
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you can see the choppers that are flying through. we will see what the fire engines are doing. i believe they are here for structure protection. people walking down the street. not everybody knows about what's going on. it is just up the ridge. and things are happening so quickly. but again, so many people in los angeles have prepared for this. they say what happened in the pacific palisades. there was a warning that the winds were going to continue throughout the night. we are seeing some of the wind gusts pick up. but, so many go bags across los angeles are ready. you were talking about your home in lawrence. been on the phone with my wife. she has the two kids at home. and they have the go bags
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ready. we are probably about maybe a quarter mile outside the evacuation zone. the wind is blowing toward hollywood. what will happen is as that fire works its way up runyan canyon, it will go up because of the topography. the wind is blowing this way. it is blowing down toward hollywood. so, the main concern right now is hollywood boulevard. is this area, sunset boulevard. and everything that is down below for a couple of blocks. that's why that evacuation order has been given. you see, we have fire crews. we have the police. now staging and this is one of the areas where you should be able to see up on the hill. it is very difficult to see. but it is still a ways away. but people are hopefully heeding those warnings. evacuating. because the winds are strong
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enough. compared to yesterday. the winds are very, very light. but if this was any other day, and there was a fire burning in the hill, we would say these winds are extremely concerning. so many people in hollywood boulevard. we are seeing people evacuate. >> one thing other reporter haves been on the ground today, when you see the fire trucks, what the fire trucks define for you. >> reporter: i think i lost you. ly try to recorrect here. >> okay. that's the line where the fire department want to prevent the fire from crossing. where you see the trucks.
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they are there because of the gigantic fear of it crossing hollywood boulevard. if it does, it is raging in the center of a major urban area. it is both residential, very urban, very business oriented area. it would be the equivalent of that fire breaking out in manhattan. that's the kind of area that is, in los angeles. as we continue with this coverage. one of the situations that's a challenge for people is they literally now on evacuation after the hollywood hills fire has broken out, there is now confuse in los angeles about which way to go. people had been feeling more confident in the ocean inland. there has been a lot of
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evacuation southward from los angeles. that's the direction my loved ones took when they were ordered to evacuate. they have gone south toward the airport. a lot of people are going south to the airport and beyond that. the trouble is some people trying to find a place beyond the airport have discovered there are fires breaking out randomly in other areas they were intending to drive to, so that issue of what direction to go is something that really needs as much government guidance as can be provided. in the center of town, there are people jumping into cars not knowing which direction to drive. and that's one of the issues. people struggling who can afford it to find hotel rooms to go to. others trying, others who are
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lucky enough to have friends. this is a kind of mass evacuation from all areas of los angeles we really have not seen before in a situation like this. the helicopter pilots have done an amazing job delivering to us where these fires are breaking out. yesterday, we didn't have that because the winds were way too strong for the helicopters to get up so we couldn't see this kind of coverage. there is a lot more available knowledge tonight. this is a disruption to a community that is thought of as the show business capital of the world. but there is so much more that goes on there, occupationally than that. i can report to you that the studios didn't close down
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today. warner brothers, paramount, the fox lot, sequentially decided we must close down production. a friend of mine working on the fox lot on the west side of los angeles, possibly the last lot to close down, production was shut down, people were sent home. that's when you know something is very serious. the amount of costs involved is astronomical. and no one wants to do it. it takes something really serious to shut down production there. i'm not saying what goes on in the studios is necessarily serious. but just to understand when the studios shut down, that is a much bigger event than schools being shut down. that's the message that says to the town, this is really something that is now getting
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beyond anyone's control. and anyone's ability to predict what happens next. that's the situation there tonight at this hour, this is going to be a changing situation in certain places by the end of the hour and across the coverage overnight. people living in los angeles have been hanging on the local television coverage which has been just excellent across every local channel. shots like this available to people so they can know exactly what's happening. how close it is to them. how far it is from them. how much time they have. people have been making careful calculations about how much time they have to leave their homes based on just the excellent delivery of information from both the fire department, government, the governor, the mayor, mayor's staff. and most importantly with these images you are seeing now from knbc, our affiliate in los angeles, and from the other
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network affiliates in los angeles, those local news teams have been going heroic, without sleep. there are many people involved in getting that correspondent on camera. none of them are sleeping there. working around the clock. their own homes are in danger. as they are doing this work. their own families can be in danger while they do this work. this is as challenging an event to cover as los angeles media has really ever had to cover. given the geographic scope of it. this is now an enormous area of fire they are trying to cover and deliver people the information they need about how long they can stay in their
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homes if they can stay in their homes. this has been one of the most difficult things i have personally had to cover here as i at the same time field texts from people telling me what's happening to them and how they are trying to get out and where they need to go. but we will stay with it. we'll take a break here, we'll come back, we will try to get in some of the news of the day. involving donald trump's appeal to united states supreme court. we will keep an eye of what's happening there this hour. as this hour proceeds. we'll have more from los angeles. we'll be right back. os angeles. we'll be right back. asthma. does it have you missing out on what you love with who you love? it's time to get back out there with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks and can also be taken conveniently at home. fasenra helps prevent asthma attacks. most patients did not have an attack in the first year. fasenra is proven to help you breathe better
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joining our breaking news coverage of the los angeles fire now, from the pacific palisades area of los angeles, is cal fire battalion chief brent pasqua. what is the situation there as of this hour? >> as of this hour, the winds have died down substantially which is making conditions a lot more achievable for firefighters to get the upper hand on this fire. so let's hope it stays that way. >> and how do you distribute resources when you have a geographic area so spread out? these fires are about 30 miles apart end to end. with fires right in the middle?
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>> you start to prioritize. where's the most life safety threat at? that is where you want to get your resources. that is our number one priority. then after that, you are looking at structures buildings. where can we do our best good. >> i was speaking to people in the middle of town now that there is a threat there, they are wondering which direction to go for evacuation. >> i was looking at the map myself. there's a fire to the northeast of them. it looked like the best way was just to get on a freeway and just heading out. you don't want to be caught on surface streets. you want to do it early. that way, it is controlled than if anybody tries to go at the last minute and it turns into a parking lot.
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>> i know when this began, people were generally headed south. the people i were talking to individually. is south just a general direction the safest way to aim right now? >> you know, looking at the wind gusts, south, it is actually pushing to the south. the wind is out of the east, northeast. so if you are above it and you can get higher and go north more, that is even better. >> what is the prospect for tomorrow. when we wake up tomorrow, where do you expect to learn the most of what has happened? >> we are being cautiously optimistic with the winds. last night, we saw the same thing, then all of a sudden we had 70 mile-per-hour sustained winds starting at 10:00 p.m. so we are hoping that's not the case tonight. we can get in there and do some good work so when the sun comes up tomorrow, we can have our damage assessment teams come in, take a look and find out
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exactly what has been damaged and destroyed and report on some factual numbers. >> the city of santa monica which is technically its own city but is part of the life and spirit of los angeles, it is just south of where you are now. and i know this huge concern with the palisades fire working its way down the canyon and climbing up the hill into santa monica. what do we know about that progress now? >> that remains a high priority to button that side up. we moved resources over there. we are taking full advantage of this break in the wind. >> so is the idea you set up
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the trucks in the spot that will be your line of defense? you don't want the fire moving past this point? >> we'll try to get bulldozers out there and say this will be our standing point. we don't want it going past there. we will stand our ground once we have the fire line. then we can get engines in there with water and hoses and stand our ground that way. >> and chief, what about the personnel? i'm sure you have people out there who haven't slept in a day. how do you manage that? >> i do and they look exhausted. they talk about a house being destroyed. that is what keeps them going. whether it is the excitement of it all. knowing they did some goodment they want to go back out there. they say there is no way they
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can go in and sleep when the fire is still burning actively. >> and they are also i assume getting calls and texts about their own situation. >> friends of the family. so yes. very well known area. >> cal fire, battalion chief. thank you very much for joining us tonight. and thank you for everything you and your teams have doing out there to save us all. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, today donald trump appealed directly to the supreme court to try to get out of his criminal sentencing in manhattan on friday. our constitutional law professor joins us. we will get a few words in from
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eyes on the fires. when we have the images. the local feed. when we are able to put that on the screen, that without any words of description for most los angeles residents when they see the streets that are super imposed by computer on some of these images, it tells them what is going on very clearly. they know what they are dealing with. that is why we have tried to keep up the images as much as possible. that is what local news has been delivering to viewers in los angeles. knbc, our affiliate there has been doing an extraordinary job with some remarkable people who i know working there. continuing to do that. i will turn to other news for a moment here because this morning, donald trump did what no other criminal defendant has done. he appealed directly to the united states supreme court to block his criminal sentencing in a new york state case scheduled for friday at 9:30 a.m. in manhattan. donald trump made the appeal
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directly to the supreme court before exhausting all of his appeals within the state of new york, the normal sequence for anyone not named trump. the criminal defense lawyers offered an appeal raising claims of presidential immunity. that's right. the man who is not president of the united states and who was convicted of 34 felonies in manhattan this year when he was not president of the united states is claiming that the new doctrine of presidential immunity created by the supreme court this year for donald trump should also apply to donald trump when he is not president. two new york judges rejected that claim this week. emergency petition to the supreme court of the united states like the trump petition are directed at the individual member of the supreme court who was assign today hear emergency petitions. from that particular geographic region of the federal court system. called a circuit. and the supreme court justice
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assigned to the circuit is new york city native justice sonya sotomeyer. justice sotomeyer ordered district attorney alvin bragg to respond to the trump petition by 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. 24 hours before donald trump is scheduled to be sentenced. justice samuel alito did not say he would recuse himself from the appeal even after it was revealed he asked donald trump for a favor yesterday. justice alito explains it this way. william levi asked me to take a call from president-elect trump regarding his qualifications to serve in a government position. i agreed to discuss this matter with president-elect trump and he called me yesterday afternoon. samuel ali to is on the phone with donald trump recommending
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he hire one of his former law clerks. that is a call that could have waited. samuel alito knew that donald trump was appealing his sentencing schedule and would be appealing to the supreme court any minute now. but the supreme court justice got on the phone with donald trump and asked him for the favor of hiring his former law clerk. there is absolutely no doubt that trump was going to hire him with or without the call. the call accomplished nothing in that direction. it was purely donald trump's attempt to make alito indebted to him by hiring his former law clerk after alito asked him to do that. alito should have never participated in such a phone call but if he was going to do it, he could have done it next week. easily. there is no hiring deadline for any job in the trump
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administration. it is impossible for donald trump to hire anyone before january 20th. justice alito's statement said we did not discuss the emergency application he filed today and indeed, i was not even e at the time of our conversation that such an application would be filed. we also did not discuss any other pending matter. he knows donald trump will take any legal steps possible to try to block jack smith's report. and samuel alito knows it is possible those attempts could end up in the supreme court. alito has never had a telephone conversation with a more active litigant before the supreme court than donald trump or a more predictable litigant before the supreme court than donald trump. i knew yesterday donald trump was going to appeal his sentencing to the united states
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supreme court. we discussed it on this program last night. there is no reason to believe samuel alito yesterday wasn't smart enough to anticipate that donald trump would come to the supreme court today at the latest. the very latest with the emergency petition he filed. samuel alito is claiming i couldn't possibly figure out what lawrence o'donnell figured out yesterday. that's what he is saying. samuel alito, one of the most politically compromised supreme court justices in history on par only with clarence thomas said i will get on the phone with donald trump, two days before he is supposed to be sentenced knowing he is fighting disparately to stop that sentencing and i'm going to ask donald trump the favor of hiring a friend of mine who used to work for me. joining our discussion tonight
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is professor lawrence tribe. professor tribe, you have the floor on what happens next with the supreme court. >> it's hard to focus on things as absurd as justice alito's claim he had no idea this was coming when everybody in the legal world knew it was coming. it is hard to focus on that wheel los angeles burns. i'm sorry. but your house, i have children, grandchildren who have evacuated, who live in los angeles. i'm grateful to the firefighters there. but that's not what you need me to discuss. what you need me to discuss is the absurd attempt by president trump's lawyers to claim not just an absolute privilege of extraordinary scope for a sitting president but for a
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president-elect. there is no president-elect privilege. leapfrog the state courts in this way is absolutely unprecedented. it is a defiance of principles of federalism. it is also a ridiculous appeal because claim protects donald trump from being sentenced by the way, sentenced without any custodial judgment. sentenced without even a fine. it is almost certain to be a sentence in name only. but the idea it is so urgent for him to prevent sentencing on friday simply because some of the evidence that was admitted in the case involved testimony by hope hicks and people who worked in the white
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house. that stretched an already extraordinary privilege beyond the breaking point. there is no sense in which they were discussing official matters. the supreme court itself in its immunity decision said there is no privilege when the president is engaged in activity of a political kind and the fire case involving the 34 state felonies which donald trump has been convicted of committing in order to prevent people from learning about his affair with stormy daniels all involves activities engaged in before he was president. so we now have the bizarre phenomenon of a not yet president claiming that what he did before he ever became president in order to commit
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state crimes to become president in the first place shouldn't be the subject of sentencing. in this case, the sentence is simply part of the verdict. what is he afraid of? that he will virtually appear in court and hear the judge explain how serious his crimes were? he is obviously trying to cover up history just as he is trying to prevent the publication of the report. this man may never be required to spend a minute in prison or pay a dollar in fines but he also says in remarkable language in his brief that merely publishing and publicizing critical information about him will do irreparable harm to the national security of this
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country. it's like the old english law? which imagining bad things about a king or a queen was a form of treason. so he is now not only a king, but he is a king in waiting who says that the onus of having to prepare. and he doesn't have to prepare anything. having to get ready to hear a recitation of what he did, so terrible now that he is entitled to leapfrog the state courts and get special treatment. it would be ludicrous if it wasn't so tragic. >> let's go back to the tragic you mentioned at the beginning. you made me widen my frame of concern about this.
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i have been tunnel focused on my family. i am thinking of my brother in boston whose son lives in los angeles and has a gang of kid ins the house. grandchildren. i'm thinking of the people on the other side of the country worrying about kids in los angeles. what is it like for you? >> it's scary as hell. i trust my daughter, she left her place. she has a couple of pet cats and ten pet chickens. she was only able to evacuate two of them. two grandchildren. and, a husband. and they were all huddled in her husband's art studio in downtown of the little town where they live and they think they are safe because there is little vegetation around there. but just like the people we have described, they don't know
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where to drive. if they were going to try to drive anywhere, they would be less safe. i suggested they fly here, but the airports are closed because of the wind and smoke. so i almost didn't come on the show because i'm so worried about them. i thought that i have a few points to make. that you might find useful. and we have to go on with our lives. but i pray for all the people in los angeles and that they all be safe. >> your mind is working just like mine tonight. professor lawrence tribe, get back on the phone with your daughter right now. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks. >> thank you. and when we come back, we'll have much more live coverage of the fires now burning across los angeles. rni . and if you're troubled by falls and bleeds, worry follows you everywhere. ♪♪ over half a million people have left blood thinners behind.
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the front page of tomorrow's los angeles times, which i think i'll be able to show you in a moment carries the headline, like 1,000 fires. the front page of tomorrow's los angeles times, which i think we will be able to show you in a and that is it, that captures what is really happening in los angeles tonight across the space of at least 30 miles where fire is raging. the sub headline is wind driven
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blazes destroy homes. at least five dead. you should think of this as a windstorm. a very violent windstorm on par with the hurricane, but with no rain. rain would be heaven sent at this point in los angeles. rain could help solve this problem much more quickly. the problem has been not enough rainfall in los angeles this year, making everything very dry, very combustible, ready to burn. that is what you are seeing. you are seeing a violent windstorm at wind levels never seen before in los angeles, and wind finds flame, wherever it is. no matter how tiny it is. wind will find that flame, and wind will increase that flame and move that flame. and everyone in los angeles tonight is living with the question of is the wind coming my way?
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the future of your home in los angeles tonight, whether it will be there tomorrow, is up to the wind now. that is what is going to decide what happens next in your neighborhood, on your street, to your house. that is a situation that is, in some ways, not unique to california, but california is the state where you can lose your house every single day of the year to a natural event. hurricanes are seasonal. blizzards are seasonal. earthquakes are not. fires are not. these things can happen any time. this intense wind increases the possibility of this fire and has fueled the fire. that is what you're watching there tonight. and there will be more of it. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, wildfires scorched southern california.
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