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sentencing. that's until the new york hush money case. that sentencing now set for tomorrow. what we're learning about a controversial call he had with supreme court justice samuel alito before making that appeal. and battling the blaze, firefighters in day three of that fatal fire storm in los angeles, thousands of structures destroyed, nearly 200,000 people being told to get out of harm's way. we'll talk to two rabbis, among those forced to evacuate. we begin this hour in los angeles where flames are still ravaging major parts of the city. firefighters are trying to take advantage of the monstrous santa ana winds easing upment they're now able to use air drops. we saw a little of that in the last hour as they battle five vicious fires in los angeles, california, as the los angeles times all one of the most destructive in history. at this hour, the fires have

killed at least five people and continue to rage out of control. thousands of structures have been destroyed. 179,000 people remain under evacuation orders. the signs of devastation clear in pacific palisades where the neighborhood there has turned into a rubble. officials say the damage assessment is ongoing, but preliminary reports estimate the damaged or destroyed structures to be in the thousands. the l.a. fire sheriff didn't mince words about the sheer level of what's been lost. >> it is safe to say that the palisades fire is one of the most destructive natural disaster in the history of los angeles. >> in alta dina, one fire official said the scale of destruction from the eaton fire is bigger than anything she's ever seen. here's what one woman told our local nbc station about losing her home, the home she raised her children in. >> it's gone. it's all we've got.

i can't believe it. >> i want to bring back msnbc anchor, katy tur who will be with us once again through this hour. as i listen to her, it's one thing to say, and it's true, of course, katy, if you've been through a fire that the important thing is that people get out with their lives, that everyone is safe. having said that, so much of people's lives are in their homes. their memories are in their homes, the things that they have collected that they have brought together, favorite things, and so there is no way to probably overstate the losses that you are seeing, that we're all seeing via camera. >> reporter: we say home is where the heart is, right, that's the saying. a lot of the heart is this community for the palisades, at least for anybody's who's lost a

home. you pour so much of yourself into that house. you raise your family, create your memories. i left this town 20 years ago, and i'm walking through in tears thinking about the memories i had 20 years ago. this is not present for me. this is past, and yet for so many people, thousands upon thousands of people, this is their present. they are waking up in a hotel somewhere or at a friend's house or in a shelter, and they are thinking, what's left of my home. and they probably have an idea that it's gone, but they haven't really seen many images because no one has been allowed to get back to these places. there are very strict police check points. they don't want anybody to come in. we talked about it earlier. they don't want looters coming in. there's a ton of live wires here. we saw water and power go through. they're going to make sure a lot of power is cut to dangling wires. they are everywhere, hanging over and on streets, making some areas completely impassable. you don't want to try your luck on one of these things. there are people that are

assuming the worst, and when they are able to get back here, they're going to see the worst, and they're going to see the that lives that they built and the place that they built them are gone. it's not just the home, it's also the community as well. it's the schools. it's, you know, the post office. i keep talking about this, the shops, the grocery stores, the gas stations, like all the things that make a community work. they're all gone here in the palisades. there's a couple of places in the carusso project has been saved, but the historic part of the neighborhood has been wiped out. i was able to catch up with one woman who made it through the blockade somehow, and she was going up to her house mt. little hills right above the alphabet streets, and i was coming down from one of my childhood homes which was gone. i ran up to her, pulling up to a house in the present finger her. it was a house.

she had two small kids in the backseat, a 6-year-old and a 9-year-old, and a car packed full of stuff, whatever she was able to grab. and she looked up and there was nothing left. here is a little bit of our interaction. >> i believe that life is about learning and about, like, having experiences that make you more human, and this is. >> reporter: this is one of those experiences. >> i was telling my kids, like, this isn't a bad thing. this is a potent thing and that this is something that makes us bigger humans. >> reporter: i really loved that when she said that, this is not a sad thing. it is a potent thing. yes, you lost everything, but this is something that will help you become who you are, make you stronger, more resilient. that's the message she's trying to give to her kids.

i felt so bad for those kids, they were clearly shaken up. they didn't really know what to say. the good news is the school they go to is in santa monica. they will have some stability, some normalcy going forward. they just got that place in order she says, i think, a couple of days ago, so they're back to square one, losing, she says, a lifetime worth of treasures that she had collected from travels all over the world. there's going to be thousands of stories just like this. and they're all going to be really gut wrenching, and they're all going to be very personal. and the reason we come down here and show this sufficient is it matters. it matters because you want to make sure washington is listening, so they get the money they need to help rebuild. you want to make sure the insurance companies will go their way covering some of this stuff. we want to make sure the local officials take precautions to keep something like this from happening again, if they can, whatever precautions they need

to do. it matters. it matters to be down here telling these stories and talking to people, and people want to talk in these moments. not everyone, but some people really do want to talk. and that's what we're finding with more right there. i also want to speak to another couple of people who have a harrowing experience themselves, but are okay. this is rabbi mindy pakarski, and we're also joined by the head rabbi at the synagogue, david wise. gentlemen, thank you so much. first off, how are you doing today? >> we're doing well. just worried and trying to help as many people as possible. i myself, i stayed in topanga to help and deal with the people who are there, just making sure everyone has what they need. we have some cakes and soups that you can eat cold because there's no power there right now. and rabbi mandy has been out of

topanga trying to help people, you know, find places, if they need, and just making sure everyone is okay. the communications are down. so that's a big challenge. so i have been going, you know, house to house to visit people, specifically the elderly people who some didn't want to leave or didn't really have places to go, so just to make sure they have what they need, food, medicine, or anything else. so we're just spending the time there. we obviously took out all the children, preschool, the first day when the fire broke out, they went home early, my wife dina who was the director, the best director, the best preschool, to make sure that all the children are home safe, and then we just took out anything that was important, the torah scrolls, we put in a safe place. this morning when i was back out, i took out another scroll, an ancient scroll called the scroll of esther that i have with me now that i took out, and i'll be going back shortly to make sure that -- to see how we

can be of assistance to the many. >> i'm so happy you were able to get scrolls and the torah. rabbi, you're holding a really cute baby there. talk to me about the impact it's had on your community and the kids. >> yeah, so obviously we try to keep the kids, you know, try to distract them a little bit, and, you know, try to keep them in a positive state of mind, when there's so much trauma around us, and a lot of people are going through very hard times. and right now, it's about being there for each other. whoever it is, but especially families with young kids, and elderly people, and they need a lot of love and support, and, you know, i have two kids. this is penny and older daughter mira, and we had to find a new place to evacuate to. and there's so many people with families and kids that just need a place to be. so we're helping them find a

location, you know, find a place they need to be in order to have a safe place, and we're just praying that the fires, you know, the firemen are doing such an amazing job. we really send our support and love to the firemen, and first responders but we're just praying that the fire slows down in toe topanga. some people are with hoses trying to save their homes, and thankfully a lot of firemen have come into topanga to help with the relief into topanga, and we are so grateful for that, but we are hoping people will have homes to come back to. these are people, they grew up, this is their childhood home, and this is their memories. and this is everything that they're about. and we are so concerned and our hearts are with this family, and everyone in the community, and we're doing our best to support everyone. >> were you able to get everyone

that you tried to? were they listening? did they get out? did they heed the evacuation calls? >> yes, we texted everyone personally, called them personally, made sure they had a place to be, and they left. topanga, we had a bit more time than palisades so everyone had a little bit more of a warning in order to find a place to be. if they didn't have a place, we have a community. i reached out to other rabbis, do you know of someone who has a place, yes, we connected a woman with a place in agura, in order to have a place for the evening. it's last second scrambling, but making sure. we take responsibility for everyone in the community. we're the only jewish synagogue in topanga. we take responsibility for everyone in the community, make sure they have a safe place, and this is what we have been doing nonstop for the past 48 hours. >> and what do you plan on doing for services tomorrow? i know today is thursday, tomorrow, friday, you're going

to have your services. how are you going to be able to reach the community and help them come together to pray and also to reflect on what's happening? >> so we're still in planning stages to figure out what we're going to do for this sabbath, for this weekend. like we said, most people left. most people are disbursed in different locations. we're probably not going to be there for the sabbath this weekend but we're probably going to figure something out where we're going to be. one of our torahs, actually, that was put in someone's house is going to be used this shabbat, this saturday for a bar mitzvah, that was supposed to be in malibu, and it's being canceled because of the location. it's so happy the torah is able to be used in that house for a bar mitzvah that was going to be canceled and they're trying to figure that out right now, making last minute arrangements for this weekend, for this shabbat. we're doing everything. we're trying to do whatever we

can to try to ease everybody up as much as possible, and just make everyone feel as good as possible under these circumstances that we have today. >> rabbi mendi, rabbi david, and i'm glad you're safe. i'm glad you were able to get out the scrolls and torah, and your community is safe, and you're going to find a way to come together again. thank you for joining us. >> for sure, and if anyone needs any help, if you're in panga or you have somebody in topanga you need help to take care of. 310-455- 310-455-1597. the phone might not go through, but we're getting through all the messages. everything that we're getting is coming straight toward us pause the power is out for now. we don't know how much longer. call us if you need something, and we're happy to help. thank you. >> thank you. thank you very much, gentlemen.

and chris, i'm going to toss it back to you. >> a couple of things, katy. one, i'm going to say that number again because there may be people who are watching somewhere who want to reach out. 310-455-1597. there's something normal and life affirming about seeing baby penny. i don't know if you can see it, katy, but reaching for some leaving in that area, just a baby being a baby was wonderful, but also the idea of a community reaching out to its members, and they're going to be, you know, churches and synagogues and lots of other organizations that will try to bring people together who wonder when they're going to be able to see their neighbors again who are wonder when the kids are going to see the classmates again. the idea of community is so important. we have been watching alta dina and the fire still burning there. these intense santa ana winds that have been fueling these fires died down a bit, but

honestly, that's not saying much because some gusts are still strong. it could well get worse again. nbc meteorologist bill karins is here to give us an update on the conditions firefighters will likely be up against. what can you tell us, bill? >> we can put the shot back up, and kind of give everyone a lay of the land of what you're looking at here. alta dina is at the bottom of the hill, with the fire camera burning below it. the fire burned up the hill. we're at the highest of elevations here. it's breezy today, not the extreme wind storm we went when the structures were lost. today would be a dangerous fire day. firefighters would be on alert. we have these fires that were, you know, started a couple of days ago. they're still scattered around, still trying to get those flames out. if new fires form, we could get more of a rapid fire spread, fire behavior, that would be called extreme. we have red flag warnings for today and tomorrow. it's not just the l.a. area. obviously that's where we have the active fire.

all the way down here outside of san diego, we have high wind warnings too. we're on guard in case anything new happens. zooming into the l.a. area. we have two big fires, the one where katy was located, the palisades fire, this is our satellite showing, you know, the smoke plume. then i put the radar over the top of it. when the fires flair up, they have so much ash in them, our radar, scans the sky, a rain drop or a snowflakes. this was nothing, and now it's flared up. this tells me that the palisades fire has flared up. hopefully it's not in a structure or in the mountains. consuming brush or trees. when the fire was at its peak, we had numerous plumes showing ash and debris. just to the north of alta dina, and that has a plume going over downtown l.a. the fire may not be in structures. we're in the red everywhere from pasadena to compton and los angeles. very unhealthy, and at times, it

even gets worse than that. the winds have died off, especially outside the mountains. when you get in the higher elevations, we're at 42, 43. that's where the danger is, and that's where we still can get rapid fire spread. up at the top. later on tonight, we're going to see the winds picking up once again, should see it by morning. malibu, 40 gusts, we have issues going into tonight into tomorrow. chris, we have our eyes set on tuesday night into wednesday. that looks like the next chance of a significant santa ana wind event, where we're going to get offshore winds. highly doubt it will be as extreme, we could see gusts, 50, 60, 70 miles per hour. that will be a scary night for the region. on the palisades fire, they said thousands of structures lost. the eaton fire, at least a thousand structures lost. if we combine those two, that's

over 3,000 easily, and this is the list of the worst california fire destruction all time. the campfire in 2018, that's off the charts at 18,000. right now, this would easily put these two fires, if we add them together here, the third worst in california history as far as structures. and that's why you're starting to hear all the insurance numbers and the billions of dollars lost in this fire because, you know, this is going to compare with some of the worst ever in california history. >> reporter: yeah, this is going to be really bad. i wonder, bill, is there any rain in the forecast? anything on the horizon? >> it's almost like you were making the weather maps with me. here's the rainfall forecast for the next seven days, and if you can't see it, katy, i got goose eggs on the map from l.a. to san diego and everywhere. there's no rain in site. all of southern california went into a severe drought. we had done so well over the last two, three years, building up the reservoirs, we have had the water, and now all of a sudden the faucet has been turned off once again, and until

it rains, anytime it's windy, we're going to have situations like this that are going to be scary. >> scary to say the least, bill karins, thank you again. the pictures you're looking at from alta dina are part of the eaton fire, 10,600 acres burned so far. 0% contained. 879 firefighters assigned to fight that fire. katy, thank you, we'll be talking to you soon. coming up in 90 seconds, the urgent message to los angeles residents. if you're in an evacuation zone, get out. here's one person who was able to escape the flames returning home. >> i came back this morning and gone. just absolute -- the further you go up, it's just an absolute wasteland. just stunned, shocked, speechless. >> reporter: what are some of the items you were able to take with you? >> whatever was clean in my

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lakers his home was destroyed. he mentioned that his home was under threat, they were evacuated and it turns out that he did also lose his home. so the lakers directly impacted by this as well. i want to bring in california congressman, laura friedman, who represents areas in glendale under mandatory evacuation orders right now. congressman, thank you very much. you're at the rose bowl. what is happening there? >> so this is the command center for the fire having to do with the eaton fire, but also for this entire area, and we see a tremendous amount of first responders here from the joint response. we have firefighters from pasadena, from laverne, from really all over the region here to fight the eaton fire and to keep an eye on all the other fires that are in this area. >> reporter: you have been able to go through your community. are you hearing anything from your constituents? can you tell me what you were able to see? >> sure. people are heartbroken. people are devastated.

the amount of damage in los angeles is really hard to convey. even through photos because, yes, you have the fire areas that are devastated, that look just unimaginably destroyed, but you also have wind damage all over los angeles. you have trees down. you have people who aren't able to get around their communities. you have power out for tens of thousands of residents. you have tens of thousands of people who are looking for a place to stay. maybe for a night, maybe for two nights, for some of them, maybe for a year or two. so you have a lot of fear here in los angeles. we are not out of the woods. there was a fire across the street from us. we know there can be an emergency incident anywhere at any time. so no one is sleeping well in los angeles right now. >> reporter: no, no, no, you can't sleep well. you've got to have that phone by you, make sure you're ready at a moment's notice.

pack a to go bag, your important artifacts, photo albums, keep them close by in case you're going to have to go. the threat is ongoing. can i ask you about what the federal government is going to do to help folks financially? i know there's a federal disaster declaration, president biden approved that yesterday, very quickly, according to governor gavin newsom. there's also going to be a lot of fighting, i imagine, with the insurance companies. people have said their insurance policies dropped their fire coverage in the days before this happened, an unlucky coincidence. how is the federal government, can the federal government help put pressure on those insurance companies to make sure they pay out those claims or potentially weren't able to just kick people off of their fire coverage, after living in home for 70 years with that fire coverage. >> i'm one of those people who lost their fire coverage in a couple of months back, and i'm on the california fair plan, which is a minimal amount of insurance. i certainly understand people's concerns about insurance, and

this is something as a nation, as we have rising risks because of climate change that we're going to have to grapple with, whether in a wildfire area or in los angeles, a lot of fires are in what we consider urbanized areas, not up in a forest somewhere. people in coastal areas are facing a lot of the same issues with rising amounts of disaster happening. so the federal government needs to take this seriously. we need to take resiliency seriously, and make sure that we invest in communities to make them safer so we don't have to deal with the after math that we're more proactive about preparing communities for an era of extreme weather and extreme climate. there's a lot of work to do. today, the job is to make sure that everyone stays safe, and that we put the fires out that are already burning in los angeles and protect as many people and as many homes as we can, but the work for tomorrow is helping our residents fight those insurance companies that are refusing to pay claims, fighting for every dollar that we can get for california from fema, and making sure we get our

fair share, and that we help these communities rebuild. we cannot long beach tens of thousands of people homeless. we cannot have that kind of devastation here in california, and we need the help of the federal government. >> you are absolutely right about that. r your interest. >> and chris, back to you. we have been watching the eaton fire, alta dina, california. those are the pictures just up. we got new information from l.a. fire officials for firefighters who are fighting the fire. i mentioned before there are 879 assigned to it. four firefighters have been injured fighting that blaze, which has consumed already 10,600 acres and remains 0% contained. you can see the flames blazing. again, five major fires that

they're facing. but the damage, of course, is already done. more than a thousand structures in the palisades fire have now turned to soot, as nbc's brittany hope witnessed firsthand. >> my chest is just constricting because we can see so much more. if you were with us all morning, we had really high powered flashlights where we were able to just kind of pinpoint and spotlight different areas of homes. but this is so different and we can see everything, every brick, every palm tree, every steel beam, every piece of wood, every washer and dryer that's still here. >> pacific palisades is where we find our steve patterson and steve. where exactly are you? what are you seeing there? >> you're you're looking through the lens of a camera that's

pointing through a car. and we've seen so many of these these are included, by the way, in the structure count. right. so you have so many of these cars that were just abandoned and often obviously seeing the mementos and the people's pieces of people's lives in their homes is awful. and that is literally in every direction you can see. but one of the most haunting things is, is the cars that are left behind. some of these obviously left next to their homes, but others we've seen on roads on the way here that were just abandoned in the middle of the roadway, people had to pick up, leave everything in a flash, in a in an immediate need to get out of the area. and that's what we've seen. meanwhile, i mean, this neighborhood. i said it before, i'll say it again. it's gone. there's nothing where i'm standing in this entire subdivision that has survived. there are no birds chirping. there is no life. it is just gray and blacked out and burned out. and as we kind of walk through here, the haunting nature of the fact that this fire ripped through everything and tore people's lives apart is

really staggering. meanwhile, one of the good things that we are seeing, one of the good signs about this fire is overhead. periodically, we will see an air tanker and air drop a helicopter that is passing by because the winds have significantly died down. still a wind event, still very dangerous for this fire. it could explode in places, creating new embers, creating new fires. that is a big concern as well. but mostly the winds have died down, allowing firefighters to make egress to get a little bit more perimeter on the fire, which is good, which will eventually give people the opportunity to get back to their homes. but i mean, when they get back, you know, look at this. meanwhile, in the hills above, you can maybe see some of the roofs of homes that have survived seemingly random. this pattern of survival and who's who's home didn't survive. but most of these homes here are down to their studs. a lot of the businesses on the way as well, completely gone. it is catastrophic. one of the officials in the last press conference said it looked like a

bomb had gone off. and i can i can certainly sign on to that. looking at it now in person, chris, steve patterson, who continues remarkable reporting from there. >> thank you so much, steve. it is not surprising, given the pictures we're looking at now, that there is a new official estimate of the damage that is being done. we said yesterday that the first estimate was of $10 billion in damage. now, just the insurable the insured losses are estimated at

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from trump versus new york if the matter isn't back now referred to the entire court. that follows, kim, senator richard blumenthal also pretty brutal in his criticism of alito writing, quote, brazenly unapologetic, justice lito has made inpropriety the norm, but this inexcusable call with trump necould compel recusal, disqualifying him from this case and uamuch more. the court's current supposed ethical standards are an ca unenforceable sham. for people who don't follow the courts as you do, who are not a lawyer as you do, and don't understand the politics as you s do, please help everybody else understand why this has become a serious conversation. >> thank you, chris. so judges, including supreme s,court justices are obliged to

act in an ethical way and one of the clearest rules, is they should not engage in an ex parte, outside of the courtrooms, communications with any msparty who has business before the court or who is likely to have imminent business before the court. so even though justice alito said, oh, this was before donald trump appealed his sentence to us, just alito knows that donald trump, for aexample, has alrea appealed multiple. every issue that he has ever had to the supreme court with regard to his ongoing litigation. he had just done it days before this atphone call. donald trump has also filed a brief in the tiktok case that the supreme court is hearing tomorrow. sam alito, when donald trump called him, should have not taken that call. that is easy. because it's not just whether or not they discussed these

matters, it's even the appearance of impropriety is damaging not only to the rule of law and the administration of justice, but rait's damaging to the court as an institution. justice alito's dismissal of the criticism is exactly the kind of problem why we have seen trust in the supreme court plummet in recent years. the problem isn't coming from outside criticism as the chief crjustice in his year-end repor. the problem is coming from inside the courthouse. >> we should remind folks, what is wis it that may go before t court, and that is that they want to delay, donald trump and his team, they want a delay in the sentencing on friday for the convictions in the hush money case. the manhattan d.a., alvin bragg has already responded. he argues against a stay in sentencing, saying there's no basis for intervention, and it would be an extraordinary step.t talk about what happens next. >> so donald trump is asking the

supreme court to stay his sentencing. he says it should be stayed because his appeal is still pending in new york state court, and he sathat the immunity that the supreme court blessed the uppresident with last year should idalso extend to the president-elect. chris, every judge that has heard that claim has rejected it. the new york appeals court judge who heard it said that there was no case in any court that ousupported that proposition, b of course we've seen this supreme court be far friendlier to president-elect trump than other courts have, and kimberly is exactly right. rlthe supreme court's ethics co, which it etjust adopted last ye after much pressure, judges should avoid the appearance of impropriety in all activities and that standard is clearly met when trump calls a justice on the same day that his lawyer asked dthe court to stay his sentencing in coa criminal case.

>> as you well know, kimberly, this is not the first time that folks have called for alito to r recuse himself. those surrounding the january 6th attack on the capitol, those cases, the attempts to overturn the 2020 election. help us understand who makes the decision about recusal, is it justice alito's alone or and where does chief justice roberts fit into all of this? >> yeah, so it is currently up to individual justices to make the decision as to whether or not they refuse, under the supreme court's own rules, they're supposed to recuse and give t reasons for that. justice alito, even if cases where he has recused, he has failed to show reasons. he is showing disdain for the own rules that were, i won't say handed down but reiterated by

the court recently, based on recent controversy., he is breaking those rules. the chief justice, people may not know, he is not an administrator of the other justices. he has one vote of nine, just like everyone else. but i think as the leader of the judiciary that the chief justice does have a platform to say to the other justices, we are concerned about the integrity and the reputation of our court, so we are going to adhere to this bert, these rules to the he letter. the chief justice clearly has not done that. i think he's lost control of this court once it went to a 3-6 majority to the conservative, and that's really problematic, for someone llwho considers himself as the chief justice does an institutionalist. >> to be continued with that sentencing scheduled tor for tomorrow. kimberly atkins stohr. the mayor with a bright spot

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say, for people and animals, but getting to them is an undertaking, especially through gridlocked traffic and clouds of smoke and ash. here's one mother describing her harrowing escape from the heart of the nearby palisades fire. he of the nearby palisades fire >> okay. here we go. oh, my god. oh, my goodness. there's a car on fire. so the bottom of the hill looks real bad. i think we're getting to a safe zone. >> joining me now, climate expert, jeff goodell, author of the book "the heat will kill you first" life and death on a scorched planet. thanks for coming back on the program, jeff. you're from california, and you tweeted last night that this is surreal, the way you put it, the california dream son fire. so tell us what you see in this

moment. >> thanks for having me on, chris. i'm a fourth generation californian, and, you know, watching scenes like the one you just played, you know, is really heartbreaking. and it's heartbreaking in all kinds of ways. you know, fire has been this sort of apocalyptic part of california culture for a very long time. anyone who's lived there and spent any time there knows that. wildfires are not foreign to california. it's very much a part of the place and in fact, of the natural ecosystem. what's really changed is, you know, we have, through 150 years of burning fossil fuels, we have largely created a different climate. i think what we're seeing here is that we are very poorly prepared for that climate. you know, 2024 was the hottest year on record, and before that, may '23 was the hottest year on record. ten of the last hottest years on record have been in the last decade, and the implications of

that are enormous. there have always been wildfires, of course, in a hotter, dryer climate, those fires burned faster, more intensely, and i think we're seeing that playing out right now. >> when we heard officials, political officials, fire officials saying this is skrus the beginning, they were talking about yesterday that the fires were going to continue. is there a bigger picture here that this is only the beginning, jeff? >> there is a bigger picture because, you know, we are poorly adapted to this new climate that we have created. this is not some ind of a one-off freak event. this is part of the kind of world that we are living in now, and i think that one of the things that this fire shows is that these risks are changing dramatically, and it's not just that the fires burn bigger and more intensely, emergency services are not prepared for these kinds of fires. the water service, the water system, the california water

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good to be with you, i'm katy tur from just absolute and utter destruction here in the pacific palisades. at this hour, five wildfires are still burning across los angeles county. the largest of them is the palisades fire, and it is 0% contained. same goes for the eaton fire. at least five people have died, all of them at that eaton fire. that's affecting pasadena and altadena, just east of where we are. about an hour east of where we are. we also saw a fire break out in