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carter's integrity will live after him. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now tonight, the devastating wildfires burning out of control in los angeles. thousands of buildings burned in what is being called the worst blaze in the city's history. we have reporter standing by, and we'll talk to residents displaced by the fires. then, president jimmy carter laid to rest. moving tributes at his national funeral service in washington. plus my keynote with the one and only jamie lee curtis. we hit on everything from the l.a. fires to the legacy of jimmy carter as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. good evening, once again, i am stephanie ruhle. we are monitoring the catastrophic wildfires ripping

through southern california. at least five separate fires are burning across the los angeles area. two of the largest fires remain completely uncontained. firefighters are working overtime around the clock to get the blazes under control, but 17 million are under red flag warnings as the santa ana winds pick up overnight. this is already the most destructive fire in l.a. city history. six people are confirmed dead, but authorities warned that that toll could rise as more thorough searches are conducted to through the wreckage. the devastation is so complete that the l.a. county sheriff said some areas look like a bomb was dropped. thousands of structures have burned to the ground. almost 180,000 people have been forced from their homes and president joe biden announced officially that the federal government would cover 100% of the disaster response cost for the next 180 days. i want to begin with nbc news correspondent morgan chesky, who joins us now from pacific palisades. morgan?

>> reporter: we are here in pacific palisades. hard to believe it has now been about 72 hours since this historic firefight began, and tonight fire alarms still going off in the distance. this palisades fire is 0% contained. the eaton fire, about 30 miles from where we are standing, still 0% contained. and while crews say they have made significant process, progress, rather, in certain aspects of the firefight, there is no one that is out of the woods at this point in time, for a couple of reasons. number one, the scope of these multiple fires burning simultaneously. number two, that is what led all of this, the wind. that incredible wind that we saw layout tuesday night into wednesday morning. gusts approaching 100 miles an hour. fortunately they have subsided somewhat, but that red flag warning is so telling. that last until friday evening at 6:00 p.m.. and i had a crew tell me today

that until that expires, until those winds died down for an extended period of time, this is an incredibly active firefight that should keep everyone on guard, because a single amber can travel upwards of two miles before landing on the home, starting an entirely new fire, an entirely new blaze. and that is why there is such incredible concern tonight from fire crews that are now being reinforced from arizona, from washington state, from oregon, all coming to california because there is simply not enough manpower to handle this kind of historic generational disaster that we are seeing play out in real time . i did not have a chance to embed with run crew today that took me to a home not too far from where we're standing. the roof fully engulfed, and what was heartbreaking was to see the crew connect to a nearby hydrant and not have enough water pressure to make a difference.

unfortunately, that has become the unfortunate norm in a lot of these areas, and that is why water tankers have been sent here to try and reinforce that fight, as well as aircraft. again, there is only so much you can do when you have a fire of this scale, that has proven to be deadly. and unfortunately officials say that death toll may only be rising. so tonight, with less than 24 hours to go until this red flag warning is lifted, there are prayers, countless ones, across the southern california area hoping that the worst could finally be over here. we will send it back to you. >> there was not enough water pressure to make a difference. i am pretty sure that sentence is haunting the people of los angeles as we speak. morgan, thank you. i want to bring into the conversation tricia, evacuated

from the pacific palisades. her office is now gone. fortunately her home is still standing, but her community, an absolute mess. tricia, i just want to say i am so, so sorry this is happening to you. tell me how you are doing, how is your family, what is the last two days been like for you? >> it is an incomprehensible amount of endless bad news. every friend that i have in the palisades has lost their home. every student i have that is a resident of the palisades, except for a very small handful that live right near me in the highlands that i've heard of have lost their homes. every place i have ever made a memory with my family is gone. i have lived in the palisades for 20 years. and even though i am originally from new york i do feel like i grew up here. and in 12 hours, i am watching

right now, i haven't seen these pictures. it is hard to breathe at times. every time i open up my phone, someone else is saying that they also lost their home. and the pictures that people are posting, it is just unbelievable. >> how do you know your house is okay? have you been able to go back? >> so, yes, we were able to go back. one of my dear families actually messaged me that her husband had snuck up on a bike and i gave him access to my house, and he got in. because we left with nothing. we did not take anything of any value, or anything useful. and he got in initially, and then got some money, and some pictures, and it was just like

off the top of my head, if a stranger goes into your home, what would you tell them to get? and then we got into a car, we bought an e-bike, we drove the hour and a half, two hours back from where i am staying. i snuck kind of into santa monica, as close as i could get to the palisades. my husband got on the bike and snuck through all the streets, winter barricade after barricade , rode through the village, saw it all. and got the three miles up into the canyon and got into our home. we got our cars, we got everything that i wish i had taken and i feel guilty that i can say that. because it is a miracle that there is this small, tiny postage stamp of area, two hoas of townhouses that are not on fire.

it does not mean that it's going to make it through the night, but my kids got some of their favorite things. my husband was able to get the things that were special of theirs out of the house. it is a miracle, it really is a miracle for us. >> tricia, i am talking to you from the other side of the country, but people all over the united states are watching. what do you want us to know about what you and los angeles is experiencing now? we are looking at the pictures, but you are the people. you are the heart. >> it really matters. every time someone texts or calls and says we are thinking about you, we love you, we are praying for you. it is like getting a hug. it is not a good idea to tell people it's just stuff and you are going to rebuild. it's actually kind of infuriating to hear that. and i know people mean well,

but we lost everything. everything. it's not just our homes. it is everyone and everything and every school and every possible thing that we know is gone, except for us, and it is just better to say that you love us and you are thinking of us, because it means way more than you can imagine. >> tricia, i am so, so sorry, from the bottom of my heart. and i am absolutely not going to say it is just stuff. it is your stuff. it is the homes and the lives of the memories that you have built, and this is a terrible, terrible tragedy. thank you for joining us, thank you for educating us, and you are in my prayers. i promise. >> thank you. and i want to bring into the conversation democratic congressman george whitesides of california. his district was affected by these fires. but he also cofounded the very important group, magnifier

action, which focuses specifically on enacting policies to end this mega fire crisis. i'm so glad you're with us. i know you spent time this week in evacuation centers. tell us everything you know. what are people telling you? >> look, california is going through a horrendous, historic event right now. and first of all, i just want to say that my heart goes out to folks like your previous guest. there are thousands of families like that, who have lost their homes, who have lost their treasured possessions. and there is nothing that we can do but to say help is on the way. and we are going to do everything we can to help those people as they rebuild their lives, rebuild their communities, rebuild their schools, and rebuild their homes over the coming months and years. >> tell us about your district. it is being affected by the hearst fire. oftentimes people like me in new york don't realize how big los angeles is, and we have five separate blazes burning, at least two uncontained, but i know that the hearst fire has

the highest wildfire risk right now. so what is the latest there? >> well, things are trending relatively good for the hearst fire right now. our big concern is that it could cross over a major freeway, the five freeway. there's a lot of people over there. right now the risk looks relatively low, we have more wins on the way, a potential additional santa ana on monday. and that is something we are all concerned about. this event is not over. the palisades are still burning, altadena is still burning. there is a new fire in woodland hills that is starting up, and we are still in very much crisis mode here. there is a long conversation ahead in terms of rebuilding, there's a long time ahead of a national conversation about how we deal with wildfires. but tonight when do you stay focused on the folks who are so affected by this crisis. >> but i do want you to help us understand. you are a wildfire expert.

we get it, high winds, dry conditions. that is the cause. but what could've been done to prevent this, and i'm thinking of it, not point fingers, but to think about what needs to be done next. >> i think that's the right way to put it, right? how can we move into a position of greater resiliency in the american west, so that our communities can survive in an increased risk of fires. i like to set out a three-part framework. so the number one pieces that we need to reduce the fuel load in our wildlands. and stephanie, the amount that we need to do is huge. we need to increase the rate of planned burns and other types of reductions in our wildland fuels by a factor of potentially 10 or more. we have a huge job to do, because of years of over suppression. we also need to make sure that our wildland firefighters are compensated well. it's a tough profession, and we don't have a lot of people going into that profession now. we need people to do that work.

we also need to work harder to protect our own communities, to protect our own homes. especially in the american west. we need to make sure the people are protecting with the common sense things that we know work. clearing out the vegetation around the house. making sure that there is no things that could burn into the house. and then the third thing, in my opinion, is looking at new technologies that might help us with days like today. we know that science says that if you don't get these fires on a very dry, very windy day, with about five or maybe 10 minutes, then you lose the capacity to put it out quickly. so we need to think about ways that we can monitor the perimeter fires much more precisely. 24/7. and then be able to act on those perimeters when we have new starts that have high intensity. >> we know that california was already in a home insurance crisis. how much worse does this disaster make it? we keep hearing all these horror stories about how people have their insurance canceled in the last year. >> yeah, mine was canceled, as well. we got dropped by our insurer. and look, this is, we had a set

of reforms that the insurance conditioner and the governor released recently that were actually pushing things in the right direction, and helping increase insurability in our state. this is obviously going to be a huge blow to those efforts. people are talking about numbers like this event could cost as much as $50 billion or more. the fair plan, which is our state back plan that enables many people to get insurance in my community is at risk. i think we are going to have to have both a federal and state level conversation about how we maintain insurability for california. and frankly, we need to have a conversation about how we maintain insurability in a world that has greater climate risks. because wildfires in the american west, but it is hurricanes in florida, and high wind events and tornadoes in the middle. and all these things are proven to be exacerbated by the global warming that we know is in her

future. >> congressman, thank you for your work and thank you for joining us tonight. >> think you, stephanie. let's bring in nbc news correspondent jennifer bjorklund, she is live in altadena where the eden fire is burning. thank you for being out there at this late hour. what are things looking like where you are? >> reporter: you know, it is looking pretty good, stephanie. i can tell you, the winds are much calmer than they have been in the last two days. that's not to say that we are not still at red flag levels, which we are until friday, and you heard that we are expecting another santa ana event starting monday. so we have the weekend, they spent the day today really taking advantage of the lighter winds that are about half as intense as they have been in the last few days. to cut some lines around the fires. and we just heard that at the palisades fire they have gotten a containment line of 6%, which is great.

because nothing was going everywhere for the last few days, and they had not been able to get any containment lines cut. which means this fire is not going any further than this line right here. so a little bit of good news coming out of the fires this afternoon and evening. >> jennifer, thank you for joining us. please stay safe where you are. when we return, we are talking about the sense of communities lost in these fires. schools, supermarkets, businesses gone, leveled, finished. our next guest shares how they are coping with the community that is now in ruin. and later, several stars had to leave their homes behind because of their fires. one of them, actress jamie lee curtis. it is her hometown. you do not want to miss my keynote conversation with her. >> you posted on social media please post facts. >> because, what happened, here we are in a society, a technical, digital society, and yet all you get are these harrowing images of hillsides on fire and a lot of innuendo,

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i don't even want to say this number to you, but tonight, just two days after interrupted, the palisades fire is just 6% contained. grown to more than 17,000 acres and destroyed thousands of structures, including many

houses worship. i want to bring into our conversation dan hurwitz. his palisades home sadly burned down in the blaze. darren, i am so, so sorry. i want you to help us understand, not just what you lost, but what you had. tell us about the palisades, the community. what this moment is like for you and your loved ones. >> stephanie, thank you for having me. the palisades is a small town within a much larger city. it is part of los angeles, but it feels, in many ways, like a close knit, small community. we go to school together, we worship together, we shop together, we have a main street, a village, and it is a very close community. and that community was in place on tuesday morning when i woke up, and by 10:30 or 11:00 on

tuesday morning that community was, in many ways, ripped apart. and the fires that occurred have utterly devastated the palisades. the vast majority of buildings, houses, and other commercial structures are no longer there, including my own home. and it is painful to watch the video. we have not yet been back to see it firsthand. not too long after the fire started, watching the videos and seeing and hearing from friends and family members is incredibly painful to watch and see. >> i can't stop thinking about kids. yours are similar ages to mine, nine and 11. they were in school and the fires broke out. what have the last two days been like for them? are they watching these images? how are they coping lexi?

>> there thing that it is. we are not giving the reality away for them. we are careful to not have the tv be the news on all the time, but they are interested. they want to know what's going on, they ask questions, they understand that our house burned down. they understand that their school burned down. that most of the community burned down. they are processing it. and i think for them, they are not quite there in taking it all in. i don't know that my wife and i are, either. but otherwise, they are going about their lives, and obviously we don't have school this week. no one in l.a. city schools does, either today or tomorrow, but we are safely out of l.a. up in ventura emma which is about 50 miles northwest of l.a. , staying with family. and they are spending time with their cousins, doing the kinds

of things that any kids would be doing. but also asking us a lot of questions about what is going on. >> kids normally love it when school gets canceled, but i am pretty sure they're going to be wishing they could be back there. i want to know how you are processing it, though. because you are a southern california native. i know that you said there has not been a day that you have lived where you have not thought this could all go up in flames. you could think it, but now you are living it. do you think you're going to rebuild? maybe it's too soon to even ask. >> that part is too soon. but it is surreal. and every time there is a natural disaster, any type of disaster, you always hear people say i saw it happen on tv, i saw it happen to others, i never thought it would happen to me. and here we are, it has happened to us. and i would say, as with my kids, we are still processing it. i don't think, until we go back

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make sure that we have the resources that we need. but there are a lot of bigger issues, including climate change, which is the proximate cause of a lot of the natural disasters that are happening. and we need an inspired response from federal, state, and local governments. it is incredibly important that these issues are taken seriously, and we need innovative solutions. certainly in the coming few years, to make sure we are addressing the rising costs, both the human toll, the financial toll of natural disasters. >> darren, thank you so much for joining me tonight. and i am so, so sorry for your loss. >> thank you for having me, stephanie. when we return, the nation remembers the late jimmy carter for the life that rose above politics. almost unimaginable if you

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today, every living president joined together in washington to honor the life and legacy of president jimmy carter. president joe biden gave the eulogy at today's funeral at the national cathedral before carter's final burial in plains, georgia. my colleague, kelly o'donnell, has the details.

>> reporter: the 39th president brought together decades of his successors. their interactions appearing to set aside conflicts in politics and personalities. one handshake ended nearly four years of no contact between former vice president pence and the president he served. and mr. obama and mr. trump engaged in conversation. in his eulogy, president biden praised carter's example of leadership. >> strength of character is more than entitlement of the power we hold. >> reporter: sons of the late republic and president gerald ford and walter mondale read tribute their fathers had written. >> it was because of our shared values that jimmy and i have respected each other as adversaries. even before we cherished one another as dear friends. >> we told the truth. we obeyed the law. and we kept the peace.

>> 20 now, two good friends of mine, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, and attorney joyce vance, she's been 25 years as a federal prosecutor. peter, all five living presidents were seated together . basically on the eve of donald trump's inauguration, to honor a president who stood for peace, decency, humanity, integrity. what is your reaction to what we saw today? >> yeah, i mean, donald trump's name never came up in any of the eulogies or tributes today, and he probably was bothered by that. but there was sort of an implicit message anyway. the contrast between the tributes to jimmy carter, a man of faith, a man of humility, a man who is dedicated to fighting for social justice and peace, and fighting disease. whatever his flaws, whatever the faults, whatever the setbacks and failures of his presidency stands in contrast, of course, to an incoming president who fights with his adversaries and even his friends

. who expresses desire now for territorial acquisitions over other people's territory. who refers divisiveness over unity. and i think that implicit message came through from the tributes even that did not make it in an explicit way. >> what stood out to you from the interactions that we saw between former presidents, vice presidents, and their wives? i mean, i read all this noise today about people kind of outraged that it seemed that president obama was cordial to president trump, which to me seems bananas. i mean, they are at a funeral service, and they are cordial. isn't that the way adults are supposed to behave? >> adults, yes, but we are talking about politicians. so that is not necessarily the same thing. this is a rare occasion, when you have all the living presidents in the same place at the same time. it does not have that often in american life, especially five at a time.

it will happen again now in 11 days of the inauguration. so there's a lot of study of body language and criminology, what does this mean, what does that mean? somebody shook somebody's hand, somebody didn't. you are right, obviously barack obama, he was seated next to president-elect trump. he did not have a choice in that setting. that is the protocol. it is possible he could've set one seat away had michelle come, but she did not come. she probably doesn't particularly like donald trump, we know, maybe she chose not to come. she said it was a scheduling conflict. seated next to president-elect trump, you know, he kept trying to reach over to obama to initiate conversation, and obama was polite and cordial and return. people who question that, i suppose, you are right, the rest of the presidents pretty much ignored trump. none of them care for him, none of them think he is a good president. all of them think is probably pretty dangerous. some of them have called the dictator. and i think he is not a member of their club as they see it. he is not fit in the pantheon of american presidents who adhere to the rule of law and upheld the constitution as they

see it. so i think that was kind of a fraught and awkward moment. >> maybe today none of them should be thinking about themselves or donald trump. maybe today they were there to think about jimmy carter, who put service ahead of everyone else. his entire life. joyce, i want to cover a new topic with you. because two courts today ruled against donald trump. i want to start with the hush money case. the supreme court denied his request to stop his sentencing, so what can we expect for tomorrow? what is your take on this whole thing? >> well, tomorrow morning donald trump will be sentenced in manhattan. his sentence will be pronounced, and that will be the final step in this trial process. he will be a convicted felon. that is what donald trump has been the better part of the last two weeks trying to avoid. doing everything he could to avoid this moment in front of judge merchan. and the most interesting thing about this stuff, and the reason we know that trump's

concern here is not with the sentence, it is with carrying the label of convicted felon with him into the presidency. it is because the judge has already indicated that this will not be a sentence of jail time. trump is not at risk of spending even a couple of hours in prison. instead, it is the label. donald trump will be a convicted felon. >> all right, let's talk about this. because an appeals court also denied trump's other request that he wants to block the release of jack smith's report on election interference case. but what happens if trump appeals that to the supreme court? >> right, this is complex. and trump almost certainly will appeal the 11th circuit's ruling to the supreme court, or at least try to. the supreme court does not have to hear this appeal. it seems very unlikely to me that they will. there are not significant issues here. but of course, we are dealing with the supreme court, unlike any other. so we cannot rule out the possibility that they will entertain this appeal. until it actually reaches them.

but what this is about, quite frankly, is just a quibble about whether or not the justice department can comply with the law that requires them to release a report at the end of a special counsel investigation. and donald trump, like he so often does, once special treatment. unlike every special counsel that investigates issues that donald trump put into motion during his presidency and had the report released, he wants this one withheld. the 11th circuit says no, you are not entitled to that. the justice department can release this report with one little wrinkle. they did not remove the district judge aileen cannon's order, which continues the prohibition on releasing the report for three additional days. the 11th circuit says to the justice department hey, we are going to invite you to take an emergency appeal to come back to us. and tried to supersede her order , if you would like to do that. the justice department tonight went ahead and noticed that appeal.

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as the wildfires keep burning in los angeles, are already stepping up to help the community recover. today a california native and oscar-winning actress jamie lee curtis and alice that her family is pledging $1 million to help with the relief effort. last night i had the chance to sit down with her and talk about the fires, the legacy of jimmy carter, and so much more. here's tonight's keynote conversation. >> it is a catastrophic fire. i live in the pacific palisades. my home is safe. i live in a canyon. directly next to this catastrophe. the canyon i live in, today, is intact. and has been spared. but the community, the pacific alice aids has been decimated. >> you posted on social media please post facts.

>> well, because what happens, here we are in a society, it is the information, technical, digital society. and yet all you get are these harrowing images of hillsides on fire, and a lot of innuendo, a lot of rumors, a lot of this is burning, that is burning. what i could not find were facts. >> the timing of you even posting that is interesting, because mark zuckerberg, who runs facebook, instagram, meta, announced that they are actually going to get rid of their fact checking business, their efforts. how concerned are you that we are in this timer we are already struggling to find facts , now those guardrails on the things we love, you love social media. i love social media. >> i don't love it. i use it. >> sorry, you use it. >> i use it solely for a person is thomas that is to sell something. my secret, for anybody listening, is you don't read any comments. ever. the whole idea is it is a

portal. this is what i think and what to say. and you are welcome to join me or not. i am concerned that the guardrails are not just fact checking on social media. the guardrails are we have lost language. words do not mean what they mean. language is this means this. and when we lose it in a political landscape, where if you tell me oh, this is a fantastic orange table, i love it. where did you get this orange table? if enough people believe that that is an orange table, we are in really big trouble. >> okay, but then isn't the answer fact? >> the fact is this is blue. >> that we can't give up on telling the truth. >> we can never give up on that. >> right now some people are

saying you know why? alternative facts, i'm at this camp. >> that's fine, and they are entitled to that. the concern i have is that the most important thing that we have to protect his language. what things mean. in recovery, we have a phrase, say what you mean and mean what you say. just don't say it mean. that is a way to be able to tell the truth and mean it, but not go after somebody. i'm not going to go after anybody for their beliefs. it's not my business. >> no one should. >> no one should. but this is not orange. this is actually blue. >> you tell serious truths, and you always have. the on being an actress, i think it is fair to say you have been an advocate for years and years, for underdogs in all different verticals. why? >> because life is hard. life is hard, period, end of story for everybody. and i think people know that i know that. that is why i can actually have

a conversation with somebody on the complete opposite political spectrum from me, honored and tired different planet politically than i am. i will find common ground with that person. >> but then, are you wearing right now? because as this, i'm going to say advocate for an underdog, you have been an advocate for the lgbtq plus community. >> and i will continue to be. of course, i am now a trans mother. i was not until my daughter transition. that is new, and recovery we say more will be revealed. moore was revealed to me. >> are you worried in this political climate? >> of course. of course. >> so what you put that? what you do with it? >> i'm doing it right here, right now. trying to appeal to people to listen to each other and to not stand and live behind these sort of rigid, calcified ideas. we have minds. they are a muscle. they change. and i believe that is my

purpose. >> there is someone you honored this week on social media. and it is president jimmy carter. who is lying in state right now. and what you wrote was thank you, mr. president, for teaching us humanity. >> yeah, and that i think i may have texted let's have a jimmy carter 2025. you know, when someone dies, any time in your life, what you say to people? i've had many friends die. and what you end up saying, because the words are stupid in that moment, you talk about feelings. take the examples that those people spent their life doing, and absorb them into your own life. just take that one thing that they did and absorb it. and jimmy carter, we should all

be absorbing everything. you are talking about the fundamentals of religion, of christianity is helping people. >> humility, goodness, and decency. >> decency and helping. and sweat equity. i am stephanie ruhle, my favorite word, my people will tell you, sweat equity. >> two words. >> do i puncher? live on television, or do we wait until you stop rolling? sweat equity. sweat equity means you have a friend, like i am about to go home tomorrow morning for some sweat equity. the sweat equity is to help my friends who have lost their homes go to their

houses, help them together. i hope everybody watching this can then tell their friends let's just be more like jimmy carter. let's be more willing to listen, let's be more willing to do sweat equity to help each other and stay away from the calcified rigidity of american politics today. i say let's just be like. and, by the way, bring it. because guess what? i'm not going to read your comments anyway. it's okay. you can say whatever you want. i don't care. i don't read it. i just don't read it. >> i want you to know i love you, i am so grateful, i am so grateful. >> if you cannot tell, jamie lee curtis is not just one of my favorite actresses, she has one of my all-time favorite people. what you just watch was only a piece of our conversation. i

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many speakers at the national funeral paid their respect to former president jimmy carter before his final journey home to plains georgia. among them, his grandson jason carter who delivered a special tribute in honor of his grandfather who he calls the first millennial. watch this. >> by the way, he cut the deficit. wanted to decriminalize marijuana. deregulated so many industries that he gave us cheap izflights and as you heard, craft beer. basically, all those years ago, he was the first millennial. and he could make great play lists. i never perceived a difference between his public face and private one. he is the same person no matter who he was with or where he was. and for me, that is the definition of integrity. to me, this life was a love story from the moment that he woke up until he laid his head.

conclude with this. he is gone, new never gone far. >> our thoughts and gratitude with the cater family. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up ta late with me. i'll see you again tomorrow. there is no longer any question. donald trump will reenter the white house as a convicted felon felon.

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