workshop. working with his hands. in an era when most former presidents can't do anything with their hands than hold a golf club. looking for goodness in politicians is difficult because it is rare and because they can fake it. you can't fake it alone in the workshop. that cradle has its own integrity as a wooden sculpture. and in that cradle, jimmy carter's integrity will live after him. that is tonight's last word. th. and the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, the devastating wildfires burning out of control in los angeles. thousands of buildings burned in what's being called the worst blaze in the city's history. we have reporter standing by and we will talk to residents

displaced. resident jimmy carter laid to rest, moving tributes it is national funeral service in washington. my keynote with the one and only jamie lee curtis. we hit on everything from the l.a. fires to the legacy of jimmy carter as the 11th hour gets underway this thursday night. good evening once again. i am stephanie ruhle. the catastrophic wildfires ripping through southern california. at least five separate fires are burning across the los angeles area two of the largest remain uncontained. firefighters are working overtime around the clock to get the blazes under control but 17 million under red flag warnings is the santa ana winds picked up overnight. this is already the most destructive fire in l.a. city history. six a confirmed dead but authorities warn that can rise as more searches are conducted through the wreckage. the devastation is so

complete that the l.a. county sheriff said some areas look like a bomb was dropped. thousands of structures have burned to the ground. almost 180,000 people have been forced from their homes and president biden announced officiallyes that the federal government would cover 100% of the disaster response cause for the next 180 days. i want to begin with nbc news correspondent morgan chesky who joins us from pacific palisades. >> reporter: we are in pacific palisades. hard to believe it's been 72 hoursee since this historic firefight began. tonight, fire alarms still going off in the distance. this palisades fire, 0% contained. the eaton fire 30 miles from where we are standing, zero content -- 0% container while crews say they have made significant progress in certain aspects of the firefight, there was no one that is out of the

woods at this point in time. for a couple of reasons. number 1, the sheer scope of these multiple fires burning simultaneously. number 2, that's what led to all of this, the wind. of that incredible wind we saw play out tuesday night into wednesday morning. gusts approaching 100 miles per hour. they have subsided somewhat but that red flag warning, so telling, that lasts until friday evening at 6:00 p.m. i had a crew tell me today that until that expires, until those winds die down for an extended period of time, this is an incredibly active firefight that you keep everyone on guard because a single ember can travel upwards of two miles before landing on a home, starting a new fire. entirely new blaze. that's why there is such incredible concern tonight from fire crews that are being reinforced from arizona, from

washington state, oregon, all coming to california because there's not enough manpower to handle this kind of historic generational disaster that we are seeking playing out and play out in real time. i had a chance to embed with one crew who took me to a home not too far from where we are standing. the roof fully engulfed, and what was heartbreaking was to see the crew connect to a hydrant and not have enough water pressure to make a difference. that has become the unfortunate norm and a lot of these areas and that's why water tankers have been sent here to reinforce that as well as aircraft. weai again, there's only so much you can do when you have a fire of this scale that has proven to be deadly and officials say the death toll may only be rising. tonight, with less than 24 hours to go until this red flag warning is lifted, there are

prayers, countless ones across the southern california area, hoping that the worst could finally be over. we will send it back to you. >> there was not enough water pressure to make a difference. i'm pretty sure that sentence is haunting the people of los angeles as we speak. i want to bring into the conversation trisha, she evacuated from the pacific palisades. her office is now gone. fortunately, her home is standing but her community an mess. i am so, so sorry this is happening to you. tell me how you and your family are doing? would have the last two days d been like for you? >> it's an incomprehensible amount of endless bad news. every friend that i have in the palisades has lost their home. every student i have that is a

resident of the palisades, except for a small handful that live near me in the highlands that i heard of have lost their homes. everyplace i ever made a memory with my family is gone. i have lived in the palisades for 20 years. even though i am originally from new york, i do feel like i grew up. in 12 hours, i am watching right now. i have not seen these pictures. it is hard to breathe at times. every time i open my phone someone else is saying they lost their home. the pictures the people are posting, it's unbelievable. >> how do you know your house is okay? have you been able to go back?

>> yes. we were able to go back. one of my dear families actually messaged me her husband snuck up on a bike, and i gave him access to my house, and he got in. we left with nothing. we didn't take anything of any value or anything useful. he got in and got some money and some pictures. it was like off the top of my head, if your stranger goes in your home, what would you tell them to get? we got into a car. we drove the hour and a half, two hours back from where i am staying. i snuck kind of into santa monica as close as i could get to the palisades. my husband got on the bike and snuck through the streets. went through barricade after barricade. road through the village.

saw it all. he got three miles up into the canyon and got in our home. we got our cars. we got everything i wish i had taken. i feel guilty that i can say that because it is a miracle that -- there is a tiny postage stamp of area of 2h away town houses that are not on fire. it doesn't mean it will make it through the night. my kids got some of their favorite things. my husband was able to get the things that were special of there is out of the house. it is a miracle. really is a miracle for us. >> i am talking to you from the other side of the country but people all over the u.s. are watching. what do you want us to know yo about what you and los angeles

is experiencing now? we are looking at the pictures but you are the people. you are the heart. >> it really matters. everest -- every time someone says we love you, we are thinking of you, we are praying for you, it's like getting a hug. it's not a good idea to tell people. it is stuff and you will rebuild. it's infuriating to hear that and people mean well. but, we lost everything. everything. in it is not just our homes. it is everyone and everything and every school and every possible thing that we know is gone except for us. it's better to say you love us and thinking of us. it means way more than you can y imagine. >> trisha, i am so sorry from the bottom of my heart. i am not going to say it's not

just stop. it is your stuff. the homes and lives and memories you have built. this is a terrible terrible tragedy. thank you for joining us and educating us. you are in my prayers. i promise. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in democratic congressman george whitesides. his district was affected but he cofounded the very important group, mega fire action which focuses on enacting policies to end this fire crisis. i am glad you are with us. i know you spent time at evacuation center's. what are people telling you? >> look, california is going through a horrendous, historic event right now. first of all, my heart goes out to folks like your previous guests. there are thousands of families like that who have lost their t homes. who have lost their treasured possessions.

there is nothing we can do but to say help is on the way. we are going to do everything we can to help those people as they rebuild their lives, rebuild their communities, rebuild their schools and rebuild their homes over the coming months and years. >> tell us about your district. me in new york don't realize how big los angeles is. we have five separate blazes burning. at least two uncontained but the hurst fire has the highest wildfire risk right now. what is the latest there? >> things are trending relatively good for the hurst fire right now. our big concern is it could cross over a major freeway, and there's a lot of people over there. right now, the risk looks relatively low. we have more winds on the way. potential santa ana winds on monday and that something we are concerned about. this event is not over. the palisades are still burning, altadena is still

burning. there's a new fire in woodland hills that starting up. we are still in crisis mode here. there is a long conversation ahead in terms of rebuilding. there is a long for seshan ahead about a national sh conversation of how we deal with wildfires. tonight, we need to stay focused on the folks who are so affected by this crisis. >> i want you to help us understand. you are a wildfire expert. high winds, dry conditions, that is the cause. what could have been done to prevent this? i'm thinking of this not to point fingers but to think of what needs to be done next ? >> that's the right way to put it. how can we move into a position of greater resiliency so communities can survive in an increased risk of fires? i like to set out a three-part framework. number 1, we need to reduce the fuel load in the wildlands. the amount we need to do is

huge. we need to increase the rate of planned burns and other types of reductions in the wildland fuels by a factor potentially 10 or more. we have a huge job because of years of over suppression. need to make sure the wildland firefighters are compensated well. it's a tough profession and we i don't have a lot of people going into a. we need people to do that work, and we need to work harder to protect our communities and our homes. especially in the american west. people with common sense things we know work. clearing out vegetation around the house and making sure there's no things that could burn into the house. the third thing, in my opinion is new technologies that might help with days today. we know science says if you don't get to these fires on a dry and windy day within about five or 10 minutes, then you lose the capacity to put it out quickly. we need to think of ways where

we can monitor the perimeter fires much more precisely, 24/7, and be able to act on those perimeters when we have new starts at have high intensity. >> we know california was in a home insurance crisis. how much worse is this make it? we hear these horror stories of how people had their insurance canceled in the last year. >> mine was canceled as well. we got dropped by our insurer. we had a set the reforms that the insurance commissioner and the governor released recently that were pushing things in the right direction and helping increase insurability in our stay. it's going to be a huge blow to those efforts. people are talking about numbers like this event could cost as much as $50 billion or more. the fair plan which is our state back plan that enables many people to get insurance in

my community is at risk. i think we will have to have a federal and state level conversationst about how we maintain insurability for california. frankly, we need a conversation of how to maintain insurability in a world with greater climate risk. wildfires in the american west and hurricanes in florida. high wind events and tornadoes in the middle, and all these things are proven to be exacerbated of the global warming we know is in the future. >> congressman, thank you for your work and for joining us tonight.jo let's bring into the conversation, nbc news correspondent jennifer in altadena where the eaton fire is burning. thank you for being here at this late hour. what are things looking like where you are? >> reporter: it's looking pretty good. i can tell you the winds are much calmer than they have in the last two days.

that's not to say we are not at red flag levels which we are until friday and you heard that we are expecting another santa and evan monday. we have the weekend. they spent the day today taking advantage of the lighter winds that are about half as intense as they have been. to cut some lines around these fires. we just heard at the palisades fire, they got a containment line, 6%, which is great. that thing was going everywhere for the last few days and they haven't been able to get containment line's. that means of fire is not going further than this line. a little good news coming out of the fires this afternoon and evening. >> jennifer, thank you for joining us. please stay safe. we're talking about the senseab of community lost in these fires. schools, supermarkets, schools, gone. the next guest shares how they e are coping with their community that is in ruin. several stars had to leave e

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i don't want to say this number but tonight, two days after it erupted, the palisades fire is just 6% contain. the historic blaze has grown to more than 17,000 acres and destroyed thousands of structures including many houses of worship. i want to bring into the conversation, his home burned down in the blaze. darren, i am so so sorry. help us understand not just what you lost but what you had. tell us about the palisades, the community. what this moment is like for you and your loved ones. >> thank you for having me. the palisades is a small town within a much larger city.

it's part of los angeles. he feels in many ways like a close knit small community. we go to school together. we worship together. we shop together. we have a main street, a village. it is a very close community. that community was in place on tuesday morning when i woke up, and by 10:30 or 11:00 a.m. that community was ripped apart. the fires that occurred have utterly devastated the palisades. the vast majority of buildings, houses, and other commercial structures. they are no longer there including my own home. it is painful to watch the video. we have not been back to see it firsthand. we fled not too long after the

fire started, and watching the videos and seeing and hearing from friends and family members is incredibly painful to watch and see. >> i can't stop thinking of kids. yours is similar in ages to mine and they were in school one fires broke out. what have they's last two days been for them? how are they coping? >> they are seeing the images. we are not keeping the reality away from them. we are careful not to have the tv news on all the time, but they are interested. they want to know what's going on and they asked questions. they understand our house burned down and their school burned down. that most of the community burned down. they are processing it. i think, for them, they are not quite there in taking it all in.

i don't know my wife and i are either. otherwise, they are going about their lives. obviously, we do not have school this week. nobody in l.a. city schools does either today or tomorrow. we are safely out of l.a. up in ventura which is about 50 miles northwest of l.a., staying with family and they are spending time with her cousins and doing the things that any kids would be doing, but also asking a lot of questions about what is going on. >> kids normally love it when school gets canceled, but i'm sure they are wishing they could be back there. i want to know how you are processing it. you are a southern california native. you said there's not been a day where you haven't thought this could go up in flames, but you can think it, but now you are living at. do you think you will rebuild? maybe it's too soon to ask.

>> that part is too soon. it is surreal. every time there is a natural disaster or any type of disaster, you hear people say, i saw it happen on tv and to others, and i never thought it would have been to me. here we are. it has happened to us. i would say, as with my kids, we are still processing it. until we go back and see it firsthand, and even then, we will fully appreciate the gravity of what has happened and not just physically, but emotionally to the community. i do not know about rebuilding. i think it's a big question mark for the community to work through. this will be a long process. the type of massive devastation that few cities in america have seen.

we are going to have to figure out individually and collectively how to move forward. >> do you think the government is prepared to do that? prepared to respond to the crisis, not just this week but for the long haul? wildfires are not going away in california, sadly. >> that is right. i greatly appreciate law enforcement, firefighters, all the first responders, the mayor, the governor, the president. everyone who is taking steps to make sure we have the resources we need, but there are bigger issues including climate change , which is the proximate cause of a lot of the natural disasters that are happening. we need an inspired response from federal, state, and local governments. it's incredibly important these issues are taken seriously and we need innovative solutions. certainly in the coming few years to make sure were

addressing the rising cost, human toll, financial toll of natural disasters. >> darrin, thank you for joining me and i am so so sorry for your loss. >> thank you for having me. the nation remembers the late jimmy carter for the life that rose above politics. almost unimaginable if you think of it in today's scenario. all five of the living successors were there to honor him. i wonder what they were thinking about? thinking about?

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today, every living president join together to honor the life and legacy of former president jimmy carter. president biden gave the eulogy at the funeral today at the national cathedral before carter's final barrier in plains, georgia. kelly o'donnell has the details. >> reporter: the 39th president but together decades of his successors. their interactions appearing to set aside conflicts in politics and personalities. one handshake ended in the four years of no contact between former vice president mike pence and the president he served. mr. obama and mr. trump engaged in conversation. in his eulogy, president biden praised carter's example of leadership. >> strength of character is more than title or the power we

hold. >> reporter: sons of the late republican president gerald ford and walter mondale read tributes their fathers had written. >> it was because of our shared values that jimmy and i respected each other as at the series. even before we cherished one another as dear friends. >> we told the truth. we obeyed the law. we kept the peace. >> join amy, two good friends of mine, peter baker, white house correspondent for the "new york times" and joyce vance has been 25 years as a federal prosecutor. peter, all five living presidents were seated together. basically, on the eve of trump's inauguration to honor a president who stood for peace, decency, humanity, integrity. what is your reaction to what we saw? >> donald trump's name never

came up in the tributes today. he probably was bothered by that but there was an implicit message anyway. the contrast between the tributes to jimmy carter, a man of faith and humility, a man who is dedicated to fighting for social justice and peace in fighting disease. whatever his flaws are setbacks and failures of his president c stands in contrast to an incoming president who fights with his adversaries and even his friends who expresses desire for territorial acquisitions over other people's territory. who prefers divisiveness over unity and that implicit message came through from the tributes, even that did not make it an an explicit way. >> what stick out from the interactions between former presidents, vice presidents, and their wives? i read all this noise about people outraged that it seemed

president obama was cordial to president trump, which to me seems bananas. they are at a funeral service. they are cordial. isn't that the way adults are supposed to behave? >> adults, yes but we're talking about politician so that's not necessarily the same thing. it's a rare occasion where you have all the living presidents in the same place in the same time. it doesn't happen that often. it will happen in 11 days with the inauguration. there is study of body language and criminology. what does this or that man? you are right, barack obama, he was seated next to president elect trump. he didn't have a choice. that was the protocol. it's possible he could've sat one seat away. michelle, doesn't particularly like donald trump or maybe she chose not to come. seated next to president elect trump, he kept trying to reach

over to obama to initiate conversation. obama was cordial in return. you are a, the rest of the presidents pretty much ignored trump. none of them like an. they think he's probably pretty dangerous and some call him a dictator. he is not a member of the club, as they see it. he does not fit in the pantheon of her can presidents who adhere to the rule of wall -- law. that was kind of a awkward moment. >> ab today, none of them should be thinking of themselves or donald trump. today, they were there to think of jimmy carter who put service ahead of everyone else. his entire life. joyce, i want to cover a new topic. two courts today ruled against trump. i want to start with the hush money case. the supreme court denied his request to stop his sentencing. what can we expect for tomorrow ? what your take on the whole thing ? >> tomorrow morning, donald

trump will be sentenced in manhattan. it will be announced and that will be the final step in this trial process. he will be a convicted felon. that is what donald trump has spent the better part of the last two weeks trying to avoid. doing everything he could to avoid this moment in front of judge merchan. the interesting thing about this and the reason we know trump is concerned is not with the sentence. it is with carrying the label of convicted felon, to the presidency. it's because the judge indicated this will not be a sentence of jail time. trump is not at risk of spending even a couple of hours in prison. instead, it's the label. donald trump will be a convicted felon. >> an appeals court also denied his other request that he wants to block the release of jack's most report, the election interferes case. what happens of trump appeals that to the supreme court?

>> this is complex. trump almost certainly will appeal the 11th circuit's ruling to the supreme court or at least try to. the supreme court does not have to hear this appeal. it seems very unlikely, to me, that they will. there are not significant issues, but we are dealing with a simpering court unlike any other so we can't rule out the possibility they will entertain until it reaches them. what this is about quite frankly is a quibble about whether or not the justice department can comply with the law that requires them to release a report at the end of a special counsel investigation. donald trump, like he so often does, want special treatment. unlike every special counsel that investigated issues that donald trump put into motion during his presidency, and had the report released, he wants this one withheld. the 11th circuit said no, you are not entitled to the.

the justice department can release the report with one little wrinkle. they did not remove the district judge aileen cannon's order which continues the prohibition on releasing the report for three additional days. the 11th that's -- circuit said we will invite you to take an appeal to come back to us and try to supersede her order, if you would like to do that. the justice department tonight noticed that appeal. >> joyce, thank you. peter, always good to see you. i know it's a heavy day and a heavy week, but i want to share a conversation with an absolute all start not just as an actress but as a human being. jamie lee curtis. we talk about everything from jimmy carter to the devastating wildfires. devastating wildfires.

as the wildfires keep burning in los angeles, people are stepping up to help the community recover. today, california native and oscar-winning actors jamie lee curtis announced her family is pledging $1 million to help with the relief effort. last night, had the chance to talk about the fires and the legacy of jimmy carter and so much more. there is tonight's keynote conversation. >> it's a catastrophic fire.

i live in the pacific palisades. my home is safe. i live in a canyon directly next to this catastrophe. the canyon i live in the today is intact. it has been spared. but, the community of pacific palisades has been decimated. >> you posted on social media, please post facts. >> because what happens. here we are in a society, the information, technical, digital society, and yet you get are these harrowing images of hillsides on fire and a lot of innuendo. a lot of rumors. a lot of this and that is burning. what i could not find were facts. >> the time of you posting that is interesting because mark zuckerberg who runs facebook, instagram, meta announced they're going to get rid to their fact-checking business,

efforts. how concerned are you that we are already struggling to find facts, and of those guardrails on the things we love, you love social media, i love social media. >> i don't love it. i use it solely for a purpose and that is to self something. my secret is you do not read any comments, ever. the whole idea is it is a portal. this is what i want to say. you are welcome to join me or not. i am concerned that the guardrails are not just fact- checking on social media. the guardrails is we have lost language. words do not mean what they mean. language is, this means this. when we lose it in a political landscape where if you tell me, this is a fantastic orange table. i love it.

where did you get this orange table? if enough people believe that an orange table, we are in big trouble. >> then isn't the answer -- >> that is the fact. the fact is this is blue. >> we cannot give up on telling the truth. >> we can't give up. >> i'm in this camp or i'm in this camp. >> that is fine and they are entitled to that. the concern i have is the most important thing we have to protect is language. what things mean. in recovery, we have a phrase, say what you mean and mean what you say but don't say it mean. that is a way to be able to tell the truth and mean it, but not go after somebody. i am not going to go after anybody for their beliefs. >> no one should. >> no one should.

this is not orange. it is actually blue. >> you tell serious truths. you have been an advocate for years and years for underdogs in all different verticals. >> because life is hard. life is hard period end of story for everybody. i think people know that i know that. that is why i can have a conversation with somebody on the opposite political spectrum from me, on a different planet politically than i am. i will find common ground with a person. >> are you worried right now? as this advocate for an wonder dog, you've been an advocate for the lgbtq+ community. >> and i will continue to be. >> i am a trans mother. i was not until my daughter transitioned. that is a new, and recovery we say more will be revealed.

more was revealed to me. >> are you worried in this political climate? >> of course. >> where do you put that ? >> i'm doing it right now. to appeal to people to listen to each other and not live behind these rigid, calcified ideas. we have minds. they are a muscle. they change. i believe that is my purpose. >> there is someone you honored this week on social media. it is president jimmy carter. >> okay. >> who is lying in state right now. what you wrote is, thank you, mr. president, for teaching us humanity. >> have. and then i think i may have texted, let's have a jimmy carter 2025. you know, when someone dies, any time in your life, what do

you say to people? i have had many friends die. what you end up saying because words are stupid in that moment. you talk about feelings. take the examples that those people spent their life doing and absorbed them into your own life. just take that one thing that they did and absorbed it. jimmy carter, we should all be absorbing everything. you are talking about the fundamentals of religion, christianity, is helping people. >> humility and goodness and decency. >> decency and helping and sweat equity. i am, stephanie ruhle, my favorite word, sweat equity. >> two words.

>> do i punch her live on television or wait until you have stopped rolling. sweat equity. sweat equity. it means you have a friend, like i am about to go home tomorrow morning for some sweat equity. the sweat equity is to help my friends who lost their homes. go to their houses, help them together. i hope everybody watching this can tell their friends, let's be more like jimmy carter. let's be more willing to listen and more willing to do sweat equity to help each other. stay away from the calcified rigidity of american politics today. i just say let's be light, and by the way, bring it. guess what? i am not going to read your comments anyway.

it's okay. say whatever you want, i don't care. i don't read it. >> i want you to know i love you. i am so grateful. >> if you could not tell, jamie lee curtis is not just one of my favorite actresses but one of my all-time favorite people. what you watched was only a piece of our conversation. i urge you, i beg you, catch the entire interview, i think it's 40 minutes long, on our youtube page. go to msnbc.com/stephanie ruhle. if you have 40 minutes, trust me, you will not disappoint you. she's the all-time greatest. jimmy carter plus final journey to his home town of plains, georgia. ns, georgia.

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the last thing before we go tonight, final good-bye.

many speakers at the national funeral paid the respected former president jimmy carter before his final journey home to plains, georgia. among them, his grandson jason carter who delivered a special tribute and honor of his grandfather who he calls the first millennial. watch this. >> by the way, he cut the deficit. wanted to decriminalize marijuana and deregulated so many industries that he gave his chief lights, and craft beer. basically, all those years ago he was the first millennial. [ laughter ] he could make great playlists. i never perceived a difference between his public face and his private one. he was the same person no matter who he was with or were he was. for me, that is the definition of integrity. to me, this life was a love story from the moment that he woke up until he laid his head.

conclude with this, as andy young told me, he may be gone, but he has not gone far. >> our thoughts, our prayers, and our gratitude to the entire carter family as a more in this sad loss. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. we will see you again tomorrow. tomorrow. tonight on all in. >> if finalizes the conviction and makes donald trump officially the one thing he has not been, a convicted felon. >> the supreme court denies donald trump tonight. the breaking news that