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it's just stunned, shocked, speechless. >> these items weren't in the apartment, but they were in the parking area. what were you able to grab from the apartment if anything? >> we weren't able to grab anything. everything is burnt to the ground. this is the only thing we could manage to find and salvage. >> i've never seen nothing like this before, from the smell to even how the sun is red, it's the worst thing i've seen, looks like a bomb just went off over here. that's the only way i can describe it. >> those were more harrowing stories from survivors of the wildfires in southern california. the question is, can fire crews gain more control of the flames before the winds pick up again? also ahead, a final good-bye to the 39th president, with president biden delivering the eulogy for jimmy carter. the question is, did the president also send a message to the president-elect? plus, we'll go through the strangest items that tsa confiscated last year and after

you see them, the question is maybe those long lines at security are worth the wait after all. it is "way too early" for this. it is "way too early" for this good morning. happy friday. and welcome to "way too early." the show that always arrives at the airport with just enough time to spare. i'm ali vitali on this friday, january 10th. and as always, we'll start with the news. we begin this morning with those wildfires in los angeles county that are continuing to devastate the area. as of this morning, at least ten people have died and 180,000 have been forced to evacuate as flames have burned through over 30,000 acres. for context, that's about twice the size of manhattan. five major fires have broken out this week with two of the most severe at just 6% and 0% contained respectively. the newest of the fires called kenneth began last night near calabasas. but the ventura county fire

department says it thankfully has been able to stop its forward progress. while winds eased slightly yesterday, they're expected to intensify and last through today, which would only help spread the fires. in total, the wildfires are expected to be the costliest in u.s. history with losses estimated at this point around $50 billion according to jpmorgan. joining us now, live from altadena, nbc news correspondent dana griffin. we talked to you yesterday morning, we saw what you were experiencing and seeing there. what is the latest now this morning? >> reporter: yeah, well, ali, i can tell you there is a noticeably different response when it comes to keeping people out of the fire destruction zone. you can see we have got several black and white patrol vehicles lined up and down this road and we'll walk over so you can see a little bit more of the atmosphere, you can see the red and blue flashing lights all the way down in the distance. and also the california national guard has been deployed here. you can see this hummer here, we

have several at different intersections. and they even have yellow tape lined up and down this evacuation zone. something we did not see yesterday. we saw several people able to go into the neighborhoods, and it is just such a large disaster zone that law enforcement couldn't keep people out, so right now there is a curfew in place for these evacuation zones from 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. to try to keep people out, potential looters so that investigators can get in there, do their jobs. we kind of drove through the neighborhood one more time this evening. now morning. and we saw some gas companies in there trying to turn off some of the gas lines because that's what we saw a lot of those open gas lines yesterday morning. i spoke with a homeowner who happens to be a l.a. fire department captain. he lost his home, he actually watched it burn from afar. listen to part of our conversation. so you watched your home burn? >> from afar. but i knew coming in at the

corner of the street on lincoln and mountain view, i couldn't get anywhere near and we're talking about three, four, 500 feet from here. >> reporter: wow. what was that moment like for you watching -- >> it was kind of surreal. something i'm used to. but at the same time, it is a little more personal now because you know your whole life is there. the thing i'm grateful for is that my wife and my pets, we made it out. and that, you can't replace. everything else here, you know, i can replace. >> reporter: you know, it has been a very emotional several days for people. a lot have that same sentiment that things can be replaced, but also people are grappling with the fact that they have lost everything. some have lost pets and people have lost loved ones. we have five officially confirmed people that have died in both fires, the palisades fire and the eaton fire. now the medical examiner has received ten total reports for

fatalities. they're working to get those death reports confirmed. but there is a trick -- trickiness here because the areas are still dangerous. there is a safety concern there. so they have not even been able to go into those areas to confirm those reports. so that's why we're saying right now there are ten reports of fatalities, but they're waiting to confirm those and it could take some time because they may not be able to identify these people based on looks or even fingerprints which traditionally you can. also i want to note that overnight, again, california national guard came in, you see some of them sitting in their vehicle, it is cold this morning. overnight, more of them had come into the area. and also there is a major concern about drones. there was a firefighting aircraft struck by a drone yesterday afternoon. officials are reminding people do not send your drone up over the fire zones because it is very dangerous for those crews. and it takes them out of commission and that's an apparatus that could be very helpful in this fire fight, that apparatus has been grounded and

also you can be fined $75,000 and go to jail for flying a drone over these areas. ali? >> nbc news correspondent dana griffin, thank you for that great reporting. and turning now back to washington, where former president jimmy carter has been laid to rest at his home in plains, georgia. it comes after yesterday's service at washington national cathedral where the 39th president was honored for his life of public service. nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell has more. ♪♪ >> reporter: the passing of a president offers a rare moment of national reflection. stirring traditions played out to honor the life of jimmy carter. ♪♪ ♪ amazing grace ♪ >> reporter: the 39th president brought together decades of his successors. their interactions setting aside conflicts and personalities. one handshake ended nearly four years of no contact between former vice president pence and the president he served.

and mr. obama and mr. trump engaged in conversation. in his eulogy, president biden praised carter's example of leadership. >> strength of character is more than title or the power we hold. >> reporter: sons of gerald ford and walter mondale read tributes their fathers had written. >> it was because of our shared values that jimmy and i respected each other as adversaries, even before we cherished one another as dear friends. >> we told the truth. we obeyed the law. and we kept the peace. ♪ imagine ♪ >> reporter: remembered as a global humanitarian to his family a regular guy at home. >> my grandfather was likely to show up at the door in some '70s short shorts and crocs. >> reporter: jimmy carter's long

faithful journey ends forever a son of plains, georgia. and joining us now is reporter for the news outlet, the 19th, jennifer gerson. president biden gave a moving eulogy yesterday for carter. it comes days before biden himself leaves office. and so how do you think biden's celebration of one president's legacy is informing the way he might be thinking about his own too? >> yeah, that was very much on my mind while watching president carter's funeral yesterday. i think we definitely heard from president biden, someone who is seeing a lot of connection in looking at president carter's life and looking at his own legacy. carter and biden are both men who are so deeply defined by their faith, talk so publicly about it, the way that faith has connected to public service for them, and i imagine that was really very much top of biden's mind yesterday and we heard that, especially in his eulogy, his mentioning of character and his call about no place for

hate. and the importance of calling out hatred when you see it. i feel like that was, you know, definitely probably a gesture toward the incoming administration, and a reflection of how i think he hopes to be remembered and felt. >> so, there were moments where you couldn't help but wonder what the undertone of the speaker might be, and if there was some kind of subtext message there. i think the other thing that i was looking at, i know you and i were texting about this in some of our group chats, the interactions between that many former presidents, first ladies and all of them in the same room. we saw in the piece, kelly referenced between pence and trump, this is the first time they have seen each other in many years. their relationship more than frayed. but what were you looking at? i know you and i are both real housewives fans. there was a lot of drama in this. it felt like reality tv at points. >> you and i discussed that. there was big real housewives vibes here, reading the room.

it was very interesting. we saw that former vice president mike pence, his wife did not shake former president trump's hands, the first time pence and trump had seen each other since the events of january 6th. it was -- i think it was very interesting to see the way -- the degree to which president trump seemed to engage president obama, he seemed very excited to engage with him. and it seemed that the other former presidents did not seem signer enthused to be with president trump who was -- seemed to be -- he's very much part of this crowd. i think it was a great and significant reminder he's in the mix, he's not only a former president, he's an incoming president, and when we think about who, you know, who this group is, he's very much a part of it. i think that we felt some feelings from other people in the room about that. >> yeah, a part of it twice over, frankly. you look at the fact that

hillary clinton is on one side of him, someone who he bested in 2016, and then his most recent opponent, vice president kamala harris sitting directly in front of him, only at one point looking back over her shoulder during the conversation he was having with president biden -- sorry, with president obama. jen gerson, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, ali. president-elect donald trump will be sentenced in his hush money criminal case after the supreme court denied his request to block the proceeding. the high court issued its 5-4 decision late last night rejecting trump's request to halt the sentencing that was set for later this morning. the three liberal justices were in the majority alongside chief justice john roberts and fellow conservative justice amy coney barrett. their decision stated that the issues trump wanted to raise, quote, can be addressed in the ordinary course of an appeal. they also noted the burden that sentencing imposes on trump is, quote, relatively unsubstantial because he will not be receiving prison time. trump's legal team argued the

president-elect should be immune from criminal proceedings because of the supreme court's ruling last year on presidential immunity. but judge juan merchan and a state appeals court judge had already denied those arguments before the case reached the high court. the sentencing is now set to take place at 9:30 this morning in new york city with trump expected to appear virtually. judge merchan made it clear last week that he would not be including any prison time for the president-elect, trump responded to the supreme court's decision during a round table with republican governors at mar-a-lago last night. >> they acknowledged what the judge said about no penalty, there is no penalty, but we're going to appeal anyway, just psychologically, because frankly it is a disgrace. so i read it and i thought it was a fair decision, actually. so i'll do my little thing tomorrow, and this is a long way from finished. and i respect the court's opinion and it was a -- i think it was actually a very good opinion for us because you saw what they said. but they invited the appeal and the appeal is on the bigger

issue. so, we'll see how it all works out. >> trump was convicted in may of falsifying records related to hush money that his then attorney michael cohen paid to adult film actress stormy daniels in the final stretch of the 2016 presidential campaign. trump now becomes the first convicted felon elected president in u.s. history. still ahead, as of last night, the senate has one less republican lawmaker, at least for now. we'll explain what happened. plus, a moment of bipartisanship on capitol hill as some democrats voice support for a gop-led bill that would crack down on illegal immigration. those stories and a check on sports and weather when we come right back. check on sports and weather when we come right back

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jd vance has officially resigned his seat in the u.s. senate, just days before he's sworn in as vice president on january 20th. his resignation was effective as

of midnight. he represented ohio in the senate since 2023. in a statement to constituents, shared first with nbc news, vance wrote in part, quote, to the people of ohio, i extend my heart felt gratitude for the privilege of representing you in the united states senate. when i was elected to this office, i promised to never forget where i came from, and i have made sure to live by that promise every single day. ohio's republican governor mike dewine will choose a replacement for vance who will serve until 2026 when there is a special election to determine who will fill the remaining two years of vance's term. and the senate is moving forward with considering the republican-backed laken riley act. lawmakers voted to advance the legislation yesterday with nine democrats opposing the move. the bill would allow i.c.e. officials to detain undocumented immigrants charged with theft or burglary. it passed the house earlier this week with bipartisan support. the senate will now debate this legislation as some democrats are looking to add amendments such as specific language that would narrow the threshold for

what triggers the detention of an undocumented immigrant, but if amendments are add, the bill would go back to the house for another vote. still, a pretty marked moment of bipartisanship there on capitol hill. and later today, the supreme court hears oral arguments in the case involving the future of tiktok in the united states. the justices will consider whether the protecting americans from foreign adversary controlled applications act violates the constitution's free speech protections. it is unclear when the court will hand down a decision, and if china's bytedance continues to refuse to divest tiktok to an american company, it then faces a complete ban nationwide. still ahead, we'll turn to sports, and the college football playoffs as the orange bowl goes down to the wire. we'll tell you which team punched their ticket to the national title game. and the california wildfires forced a change to nfl wild card weekend. those stories and a look at the weekend forecast straight ahead on "way too early." first, we want to know why are you awake?

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of the other semifinal tonight in texas where the long horns are set to host ohio state. the nfl playoffs kick off tomorrow. the houston texans open the wild card round at home against the los angeles chargers. and the pittsburgh steelers play on the road against the baltimore ravens. on sunday, the denver broncos visit the buffalo bills and the tampa bay buccaneers host the washington commanders. meanwhile, monday's wild card matchup between the minnesota vikings and los angeles rams has been moved out of southern california, due to the wildfires devastating the region. the game will instead be played at state farm stadium in glendale, arizona, home of the cardinals. and now we go for the weather check. let's go to meteorologist angie lassman for the forecast. what do you got for us today? >> good morning to you. happy friday. i've got more of the kind of the same, the red flag warnings out west and the fire conditions there and also a winter storm to watch. here is what we're dealing with out west. 17 million people still under the red flag warnings. this isn't going to change anytime soon. we have the really gusty winds expected today. and dry humidity levels as we

continue to track these five fires. we have seen improvement yesterday as the winds started to weaken. they ramped back up overnight. this morning, gusts over 60 miles per hour in some areas of the hills and mountains. closer to the coast, 10, 15, 20, 35-mile-per-hour winds are more likely. the winds will stay elevated through the first half of the day. they'll start to weaken by the time we get to the afternoon hours. this is 6:00 p.m. pacific time. single digits in a lot of spots. maybe double digits around there. it is a roller coaster ride when it comes to these winds going up and down with these additional santa ana wind events likely over the next couple of days. here's why. we have this high pressure over the great basin. this is what is influencing the santa ana winds. that's going to kick out. notice what happens tonight and tomorrow, that first high weakens, but we have this secondary high pressure that is going to work into the pacific northwest and that sets up in the same area as we head into early next week. so more kind of rounds of these dangerous santa ana wind events are going to be possible into next week. meanwhile, that winter storm that i mentioned, 102 million

people under the winter alerts, we have heavy snow, rain, freezing rain, all of that going to leave us with some potential impacts here as we get through the next couple of really -- specifically today, but even into tomorrow, lingering impacts. today, the heavy snow from parts of the great lakes stretching down to the tennessee valley. notice this freezing rain across places like atlanta, that's going to make a mess when it comes to the morning commute and even into this afternoon. the system will be out of here by tomorrow, we'll see a couple of isolated snow showers still left over. but some of that snow could be impressive in some spots, specifically the tennessee valley, six to eight inches of snow possible and as we look at the ice accumulations, places like atlanta, columbia, a quarter of an inch of icing on those roadways. this likely going to cause delays when it comes to on the roads, but also air travel too. >> yeah, absolutely. angie lassman, thank you. and coming um, we're looking ahead to this morning's jobs report and what it could say about the state of the u.s. economy as president-elect trump prepares to take office. that's next when "way too early" comes back. take office. that's next when "way too early" comes back

welcome back to "way too early." it is 5:30 on the east coast. 2:30 out west. i'm ali vitali. the december jobs report is due out in just a few hours. economists expect the unemployment rate to remain steady and an increase of around 1 55,000 jobs. the numbers have wall street on edge, though. the federal reserve is set to meet later this month to decide if it will cut interest rates yet again. currently stock futures are down across the board in anticipation of the new numbers coming later

this morning. let's bring in charlotte reid live from london. what more can we expect today from that report and what could it mean for the u.s. economy? >> reporter: good morning, ali. when the markets reopen today after closed yesterday for the national day of mourning for president carter, as you were saying, the nonfarm payroll data, all eyes on this, because it will give a bit of temperature of the u.s. economy as you were saying with the investors expect that the u.s. economy added 155,000 jobs in december. that's after 227,000 jobs in november. there was a catch-up effect from october when the number was really low because of hurricanes and strikes at boeing. unemployment is expected to remain steady at around 4.2% and they're watching closely because that gives the temperature on the economy, just a few days back we had minutes from the federal reserve meeting from in december and they said they are worried about inflation and also the potential impact of the

incoming trump administration, with cuts on import tariffs and impacts of inflation there. they're watching very closely that it is sticky inflation. nonfarm payrolls, if the number comes lower than expected, that could indicate that the economy is finally cooling down and that would reignite the debate on whether the federal reserve should start cutting interest rates faster and sooner rather than later. >> cnbc's charlotte reed live from london, thank you. and joining our conversation now is economist and ceo of pipeline, katika roy. what are you expecting from today's jobs report? charlotte land id out the landse for us. what are you looking for? >> i'm looking for women's labor force participation and what that's going to look like. we have seen since july 2024

that the participation has been declining and we still have some missing from the labor force since the pandemic. that's a real issue since we have a 1 million person gap between the number of jobs open and the number of people looking for jobs. and we could close that gap by 75% if we brought those 711,000 women back. >> there is also the way you talk about the way that the fed has decided to hold interest rates lower. in your view, you say it is inequitable from a gender perspective. can you explain a little bit of why? >> absolutely. so, inflation isn't gender neutral. we often think of it as policies or rate increases as gender neutral. it isn't. it is actually gender ignorant. what i mean by that is that one of the things that we have seen in the last couple of years is that the inflation rate for goods and services targeted toward women is two times that of the inflation rate for goods

and services targeted toward men. the other piece of that is that women have less money coming into their wallets. we have 83 cents on the dollar. and more money coming out in terms of both the inflation rate for goods and services, but also things like student loans and the pink tax. >> that very persistent gender wage gap does always come back around. the other piece of this that i'm thinking about as we zoom out a little bit from this immediate jobs report is what has the recovery looked like from the pandemic when you and i and others, we met, we were talking about the she session, the women-focused recession that happened because women were leaving the workforce during the pandemic. you referenced the way that labor participation for women has gone down and never really rebounded. but what else do you see in this post pandemic landscape even years after? >> yeah, so, it is very interesting, one of the things that we're seeing is that it is actually taking women longer to recover. we had the declining labor force

participation. we also had women that rebound as quickly. and when we talk about the fed rate cuts, so in the december minutes they slashed their rate cuts by half for 2025. and that puts downward pressure on women. the interesting thing about that is that if we were to increase women's labor force participation, we could actually tamp down inflation because we would relieve the tight labor market because we bring more women back. so that's one of the other things that we're looking for. it is not just about the right thing to do, increasing women's labor force participation is actually an economic opportunity. so since 1970, women have increased -- have added, excuse me, $2 trillion to the u.s. economy through increasing their labor force participation. >> yeah, bringing women back into the fold is usually always a good idea. katica roy, thank you for joining us. coming up ahead, airport

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welcome back. president-elect trump is scheduled to be sentenced in his hush money criminal case later this morning in new york city. it comes after the supreme court rejected his request to stop the proceeding in a decision released late last night. let's bring in msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst, anthony colie. anthony, first, your reaction to what the supreme court decided and the fact that it was the three liberals joined by amy coney barrett and the chief justice. what are you reading into it? >> i think this is a rare moment

of independence from the supreme court and it was the right thing to do, based on the facts and the law. and the facts here are pretty straightforward. you have donald trump who in 2016 as a private citizen tried to corruptly influence the outcome of that presidential election by keeping quiet or having daniels keep quiet about her relationship with donald trump and then lying about it in his business records, like that's what this is about, personal conduct that began as a private citizen. and so that's one part of it. in terms of the law, that's pretty straightforward too. this is a one-page order here, ali. >> i love when you bring props. >> i have a prop here. and the operative phrase here is the court says that trump's issues can be addressed, quote, in the normal course. and what this really says here is that donald trump, you jumped the gun. you have not exhausted your rights or appellate rights at the state level. and so this is not right for us

to review. it also means this case could very well make its way back to the supreme court again and i really believe here that donald trump, he's previewed his arguments, what they will be, that in the supreme court's ruling this summer they found that official acts, he has broad immunity from them. and that the testimony and some of the state level case included testimony from white house officials and included him signing checks in the oval office and his argument is going to be that it included information that they should not have included. bottom line here, for people just tuning in, ali, is that as of the end of the hearing, this morning donald trump will be the first american president to be a convicted felon at the end of this hearing. >> it is a stunning moment in history, one we knew we were going toward. he also says it all comes down to the appeal.

he said i understand what the court's decision was but we're going to make an appeal here. what does that process look like and are the arguments going to be essential to it? >> they're going to be essential to it. i suspect what they're going to do is first appeal the entire effort to the entire appellate division within the new york state system. and that's going to take several months. so i think that's what's going to happen now, but ultimately i want to say one additional thing here, you mentioned the two swing votes, chief justice roberts and amy coney barrett, a trump appointee. what is so interesting about this duo is they read the same opinion polls as you and i do. and so i really think what they try to do here is restore faith in the u.s. supreme court. and, i mean, it is a pretty fair reading of the law. but, you know, we'll see. it is going to a little while

for this to get back up to the supreme court again. >> what do you expect to see at 9:30. is this going to be a short process, cut and dry, or are we in for -- >> right, so, we know that donald trump is going to appear virtually, right? judge juan merchan is giving him that option. we also know that at the end of this process, judge juan merchan is going to publicly release audio of this sentencing. so, i suspect what we're going to see later this morning is some stern words from judge juan merchan about how donald trump has tried to undermine the jury system. you'll remember that he was held in criminal contempt of court, ten times, for violating this narrowly tailored gag orders. so, that's why i suspect we're going to see when this all gets under way later this morning. >> there is another piece to this too. there is the legal drama that is continuously playing out in new york. and then there is what is happening here in d.c. a federal appeals court ruled

yesterday that the doj can release jack smith's report regarding trump's alleged role in overturning the 2020 election results, january 6th, they will not be at this point releasing his report around the classified documents that were found at mar-a-lago. but what does that tell you that we're going to ultimately end up seeing what one piece of jack smith's work has meant. >> this is another frivolous effort by donald trump. but i also have, you know, i worked at the justice department, so, i also think that this is a problem of this justice department's own making. what i mean by that, they did not have to preview this report with opposing counsel. they did it because it is an institutional norm. but what we have seen from conservatives and republicans in recent months is that they don't care about institutional norms so much. and so democrats have got to learn how to play by the rules, yes, but also how to play hard

ball. so, this report will eventually see the light of day. there is no legal justification to keep it under wraps and that's the last thing that donald trump wants. and i know -- i'm not sure how much time we have, but i will say this quickly, jack smith and his predecessors typically testified before congress at the end of these reports. i don't know that congressional republicans will want jack smith to testify publicly. >> i would venture a guess no, that will not be an invitation. but that's actually a fair point you make there. anthony colie, thank you for joining us. and earlier in the show we asked you why are you awake? amy is up in chicago because her cat, get this, leonardo dicatrio has the zoomies. diana sends us this picture from snowy alabama. i did not have that one on my weather bingo card. but be careful in the snow and ice. kirk is getting ready to catch a plane to tucson, arizona, for his mom's 90th birthday.

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what were you talking to barack obama about? >> it did look very friendly, i must say. i didn't realize it, how friendly it looked. i saw it on your wonderful network, just a little while ago, before i came in and i said, boy, they look like two people that like each other and we probably do. we have little different philosophies, right, but we

probably do. i don't know, we just got along. i get along with just about everybody on that -- you know, we met backstage as you know before we went on, and i thought it was a beautiful service, but we all got along very well, which is good. >> that was president-elect trump speaking from mar-a-lago yesterday, following the funeral for former president jimmy carter. trump was answering the question that was frankly on everyone's minds, referring to this moment when he was seated next to former president barack obama and the two appeared to have a lengthy conversation, even at times sharing a laugh before the service, not something you typically expect to see. joining me is james carville, professor from our days at tulane, so, professor, thank you for joining us. i assume it is because i got an a all those years ago. >> ali, you have to ask professor about that. >> thank you. i wanted to get your take on

what we saw yesterday here in washington, all the living u.s. presidents together for the funeral of president jimmy carter. your reaction to the trump/obama moments, the other things we saw and were reacting to. >> my reaction is for people to get along in american politics, somebody has to die, which is, you know, probably not the best situation. we have -- it was a very dignified, one of the things that the nation does quite well is bury its presidents and i thought it was appropriate and i think by some expectations normal presidents get along and are friendly to each other and that did manifest itself somewhat yesterday. >> it manifested itself yesterday, and it felt at times there were warnings being given during the eulogies about violence or dangerous rhetoric in american politics and so even in these moments of bipartisanship, doesn't it also

feel like there is still very much a trump factor in the way we talk about this? >> yes. i think the ex-presidents were biting the bullet and saying, this is the next president, but i think president biden, it was some poignant messages in some of the eulogies, yes. i'm not -- i mean, look, my reaction to this, we got through this thing pretty good. it is a very basic thing to -- for people to expect out of the presidency, former presidency, we bury a president with respect and dignity, but it looks like we pulled it off yesterday for the most part. >> and then, of course, you turn to what we're talking about today, which we're talking about with anthony colie, president trump is now going to be sentenced today in a criminal proceeding in new york. i mean, it is a pretty stark

contrast. >> yeah, it is. historic a president one day goes to a funeral and next day to a sentence, doesn't happen every four years. we're watching history right in front of us. and it is some pretty significant history and something tells me it is not the stop. we are in the middle of pretty historical times and we're seeing things we couldn't imagine some time ago. >> that has certainly been my front row seat. and the other side of this coin is as president biden and vice president harris are winding down their term, you got democrats here on capitol hill and nationally sort of trying to chart their path forward. you've been vocal about what you think the party needs to do, but at the end of the month there is going to be a contest and a vote for dnc chair. who do you think has the right message there, should it be a more national or states focused approach for the party? >> well, the party is not doing

well right now. our image is not well. our turnout was not very good in 2024. and right now we don't have any power, so we should in my opinion, what i said in the "times" piece, we should focus on things that are very popular that we can do that they can't do and use this time while they're in a state of confusion and every day there is something new and crazy, i'm sitting here in southwest florida looking at the gulf of america. but that's so ridiculous. >> not yet. >> they can tone down and talk about things that they are trying to accomplish, they can make a real fight over this tax cuts being extended, i think they can be very aggressive in pushing forward reproductive rights. this is a time for them -- for republicans who are trying to confuse and figure out what to do to show the american people that we are a hard working party

that cares about hard working americans and if we can accomplish that in the next two years, i think we'll be in for a pretty good 2026. >> professor carville, thank you so much for waking up with us early. i will go back and check on my grade. >> all right. i checked. >> thank you so much. we'll see you soon. and that was "way too early" for friday morning. "morning joe" kicks off right now.off right now. came back this morning, and gone. just absolute -- it's the further you go up, it's just a wasteland. just stunned, shocked, speechless. >> these items weren't in the apartment, but in the parking area. what were you able to grab from the apartment, if anything? >> we weren't able to grab anything. everything is burnt to the ground. this is the only thing we