despite all this, we just had that news conference you mentioned talking about security. there is now a curfew that was implemented last night. it will continue tonight, 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. that just expired. but we now we've seen, you know, multiple national guard units along with lapd, l.a. county. they're all here. they're trying to make these scenes safe because we've heard of more looting and more burglaries. that has to stop, guys. >> back to you. a long road to recovery. and again, the firefight continues this hour. steve patterson, thank you for your just tireless reporting out there. we appreciate you and we appreciate you at home. that's going to wrap up this hour of special coverage. >> i'm ana cabrera i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. >> and right now on andrea mitchell reports. we're following three breaking stories today. history made in manhattan just ten days before his return to the oval office, donald trump becomes the first former president to be sentenced on a felony conviction.

>> so while one can argue that the trial itself was in many respects somewhat ordinary, the same cannot be said about the circumstances surrounding this sentencing, and that is because of the office he once occupied and which you will soon occupy again. >> plus the round the clock battle against raging wildfires in los angeles county, continuing with at least ten people dead, millions impacted, entire communities reduced to ash and the future of the massively popular social media platform tiktok. resting in the hands of the supreme court justices, with oral arguments just wrapping up on whether china's control of the app creates a national security threat, upholding a law banning it in just nine days. good day everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. the felony conviction of president elect trump stands, cementing his fate

as the first american president to be criminally sentenced. but with his inauguration in only ten days, mr. trump will face no fine or other punishment after being found guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. as expected. judge juan merchan sentencing trump to an unconditional release. that's what he said he would do, meaning no jail time, no fines, telling the court the office of the presidency protects trump, but does not negate the seriousness of the jury's verdict. >> the considerable, indeed extraordinary legal protections afforded by the office of the chief executive is a factor that overrides all others. they do not reduce the seriousness, seriousness of the crime or justify its commission in any way. the protections are, however, a legal mandate. one power they do not provide is the power to erase a jury verdict. it is clear from legal precedent

which until july 1st was scarce, that donald trump, the ordinary citizen. donald trump, the criminal defendant, would not be entitled to such considerable protections. >> mr. trump, who will now appeal the conviction to the supreme court, appeared in court virtually from mar-a-lago, refusing to back off his claim that the trial was a witch hunt was done to damage my reputation so that i would lose the election, and obviously that didn't work. >> the fact is that i'm totally innocent. i did nothing wrong. i got indicted over calling a legal expense a legal expense. it was called a legal expense. >> today's hearing went ahead after a divided supreme court denied trump's emergency appeal to stop it, with trump appointed justice amy coney barrett siding with the majority. and in florida, the 11th circuit court of appeals has ruled the justice department can release the election interference report

from special prosecutor jack smith, and is now considering a justice department appeal of a three day waiting period previously imposed by presiding trump appointed judge aileen cannon. trump could always ask the supreme court, of course, to step in and stop the report from being released. joining me now is nbc's von hilliard, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, who is inside the courtroom this morning. two former u.s. attorneys, chuck rosenberg and joyce vance, and new york times chief white house correspondent peter baker. so lisa rubin, this was largely symbolic, a symbolic sentencing. but it does cement donald trump as the first convicted felon to become president of the united states. explain judge marchand's decision as he explained it today. >> judge merchan was really titrating. andrea, i think between two polls. one was he tried president trump when he was, as he said today, an ordinary citizen, an ordinary criminal defendant, not entitled to any presidential immunity

protections because they didn't exist at the time of the trial. and yet, by the time it came to sentence him, the voters themselves, ordinary citizens, as he said, had made a decision to return donald trump to office and given his status as the president elect, given that he will take office ten days from now. judge marchand felt that the only lawful sentence, and he emphasized that today in court, the only lawful sentence was one of unconditional discharge. that was his way of honoring the jury's verdict, preserving it. it was important to him to do that in honor of the rule of law, and making clear that jury verdicts matter in our democracy, and at the same time, by not imposing a penalty on trump, recognizing, as the da's office itself did, that it is important for trump to take the office of president without any burden overhanging him, associated with an ongoing criminal prosecution. i was surprised to hear the da's office say that we, as americans, are entitled to a presidency free from that

overhang, as much as trump himself is entitled to it. and marchand, to was really specific. the protections that he recognized today, they belong to the office, not the occupant. almost reminding trump again, as we've heard other judges say, presidents, even presidents with immunity are not kings. >> venmo we heard donald trump speaking during the hearing after yesterday, calling it a little thing he had to do. what is his plan for appeal? right. >> he maintained inside the courtroom when he had the opportunity to speak. and then in a truth social post upon leaving the courtroom, that they intend to see this appeal through. and, of course, in last night's rejection of the stay by the supreme court, they indicated that he has the opportunity to go and to argue that he was protected under the presidential immunity decision by the supreme court from having some of that evidence presented to the jury that donald trump says and his legal team say should inoculate him from the guilty verdict that was decided

on a unanimously by that jury back in may. but for donald trump, there is continued defiance to be very clear during his remarks to judge merchan in that courtroom earlier, he was defiant on one specific part of this case, and that was the extent to which he falsified business records, as we heard todd blanch and emil bove argue, he is making the case that they were, in fact, legal expenses, and he was not intending to cover up the hush money payment to stormy daniels or improperly influence the 2016 election. but when donald trump had the opportunity in this courtroom to rebut those underlying allegations that he had had that affair with stormy daniels and that it was, in fact a hush money payment, then even the fact that he was aware that michael cohen, that his reimbursement to michael cohen was for the hush money payment, and not just simply for legal counsel, the president elect avoided addressing that head on in front of that courtroom here today, instead focusing on the

argument that these charges should have never been brought against him by district attorney alvin bragg. he also made mention not by name, but in reference to matthew colangelo having come over from the department of justice suggesting that this was political persecution. to note, donald trump was not cut off during his remarks inside of that courtroom. that gag order is now lifted. he did lament that the fact that the gag order was ever placed on him, even though in these last seven months, that was essentially a gag order that only kept him from attacking court staff and family members and giving any identifying information about the jurors here. but for donald trump, let's be clear he will go on to inauguration day as a convicted felon. and for him, so much of the frustration was with how this played out in the new york state court. he had the opportunity to go on the attack against the supreme court for not stepping in, but instead in social media post, he said that he understood the supreme

court's decision. of course, this is a supreme court that he will potentially need, not just for his own personal reasons in the years ahead, but also very much for potential litigation that could come before this court. on the political policy front, out of his white house in the years ahead. >> and the president elect and former president was very, very strong in his denials. and he was quoting, you know, everyone from cable news lawyers to former supporters as saying that he had won the election. i mean, a lot of things that were not are not legally, you know, substantial to make his case that he should not be in this position. but let me play a bit of what joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, had to say as well. >> today. he has characterized these proceedings as corrupt, rigged witch hunt or a sham too many times to tabulate. the defendant's rhetoric has only ratcheted up since this court's rulings on his motions to

dismiss, he has been unrelenting in his unsubstantiated attacks upon this court and its family, individual prosecutors and their families, the witnesses, the grand jury, the trial jury, and the justice system as a whole. put simply, this defendant has caused enduring damage to public perception of the criminal justice system. >> so chuck rosenberg is a former prosecutor. of course, the prosecution, as a tactical matter went along with this decision by the judge. they recommended the decision that there be no penalty because they clearly wanted to get the sentencing in place, at least establish that and uphold the verdict of the jury. they had similar perspective as judge merchan, correct? >> yeah, i think that's right. andrea. they had a very similar perspective that there shouldn't be a long tail. there should be

no tail attached to the entry of judgment today. you know, for many years as a prosecutor in many, many sentencings in federal court, there was always something that came with a conviction, whether it was a period of incarceration or a term of supervised release or restitution, or home confinement or community service or a fine. there was always something. and here there was nothing. but it was, i think, tactically and legally, the right call, both by the prosecutors and ultimately by the judge, not to encumber the presidency in this case, mr. trump, when he resumes office with anything related to his criminal conviction, we have a final conviction. there is an entry of judgment, at least for the time being, pending appeal. mr. trump is a convicted felon, done and dusted, and joyce vance also, when you look at all of this, i mean, there is an

option. >> there could have been an option to defer a sentencing until after he leaves office four years from now. but the decision was as chuck was just indicating, not to have this hanging over his head. do you agree with that decision by the judge? >> so i do, and i think for slightly different reasons, when we talk about not deferring the sentencing, the point that chuck is making and that lisa has made is that it was important that this sentence become final, that the conviction become final and sentencing completes that trial stage. >> holding sentencing in abeyance while trump was in the white house would have made that conviction vulnerable. presidents have lots of unofficial powers as well as official powers. we might never have gotten to this point. and we heard donald trump in court today still trying to relitigate the jury's verdict. >> you know, we leave it up to juries in our system of justice to decide what the facts are when they're contested. >> this jury has spoken, they

convicted. >> and the judge makes the key point that although his hands were tied, i agree strongly with chuck in this regard, that this was the only legal sentence he could have imposed under the circumstances, that he was quick to distinguish between the presidency that deserved protection and the criminal defendant who was convicted of a crime and whose sentence needed to become final. we wouldn't have made it to this part, this point, to this sentencing, had the judge not decided in advance to do this, because the supreme court's decision yesterday that permitted sentencing to go forward was five four, very narrow. the justices wrote that among the compelling reasons for letting sentencing go forward was that trump would walk out of court with no additional encumbrance, that it would be an unconditional discharge. >> that's how this all came together. i think today there will be a lot of criticism, i think, over the sweep of history. this will become a moment where people in a

courtroom stood up for the rule of law against donald trump, and that will be significant. >> and it was a54 decision by the supreme court to let the sentencing proceed. so we should talk about that as well. peter baker, jump in here. this is the first time we've had a president elect and a former president who has been convicted of a felony and will serve in office with that hanging over his head. first of all, the historical perspective of that and what it appears, how that appears to the rest of the world. >> yeah, i think it's worth not forgetting just how extraordinary this is, right? among all the talk about the legal options here and the arguments in court there, and what this appeals could stand on and so forth, we are about to see something we've never seen in just ten days. >> a convicted felon is president united states. and what it tells us is that the bar has changed, right? the bar has moved. the public knew this. the

voting public knew about this conviction. they knew about the evidence. they made a judgment on how important they thought it was or wasn't. and more of them decided it wasn't disqualifying. then those who thought it might have been obviously given the results. and i think that's a remarkable moment and a shift in our political culture. he has moved the bar not just for himself, he's trying to move it now for other offices as well. think about some of the people he has put forward for high office in the cabinet to run the fbi, the defense department and so forth. people who have been accused of remarkable things that would never have allowed, never been allowed in a cabinet officer before. and he's basically daring the senate to stop these nominees as well. and so he has redefined what it means to be a high official in our government. and there's going to be, you know, precedent now going forward, not just in a legal sense, but in a political sense going forward for generations to come. >> and chuck rosenberg, talk about the supreme court on a

number of levels, because the court allowed the sentencing to take place, they now could be asked, we'll bring this up in a moment by to take a look at the 11th circuit decision, which is allowing jack smith's report to be released imminently, potentially. but the supreme court did. breakdown was five four in the other direction. and it was not just amy coney barrett, but it was chief justice john roberts agreeing with the three liberals, so-called liberals on the court. what do you make of all that? >> that's right. and i think joyce vance articulated it well. it was a54 decision to allow the sentencing to take place today. the three so-called liberal justices were joined by amy coney barrett and chief justice roberts. and if you read their short, you know, one half page order, andrea, as i'm sure you've done, you saw that two things were important to the

supreme court, or at least to the five justices who thought the sentencing ought to go forward. one is that mr. trump, as an ordinary criminal defendant, can raise issues on appeal in the appellate courts of new york and perhaps the supreme court of the united states, but also obviously important to those five justices was justice, marchand's promise, essentially, that there would be an unconditional discharge, that there would be no other penalties, that attend the conviction that the sentencing would be final today, and there would be no encumbrance upon the office of the president. and that mattered. now, this case or something like it may come back to the supreme court when mr. trump initiates an appeal of the underlying conviction. does the majority hold? does the immunity decision that we got from the supreme court earlier this i'm sorry, last year. now, does that

have implications for whether or not the conviction will stand? you know, these are open questions, but it was a very interesting alignment, i think, of the supreme court. and as joyce pointed out, and i think she's absolutely right, it mattered at least to chief justice roberts and to amy coney barrett, that justice mershon was going to sentence mr. trump today to no further encumbrance that she that he would be granted an unconditional discharge and there would be nothing hanging over the president or the office of the presidency when he assumes office in ten days. >> joyce vance, i want to ask you also, as a former prosecutor, what you think about justice alito talking to president elect trump on tuesday about a job application from a former clerk to the new trump administration just hours before the trump appeal for the sentencing was filed. there's

been a lot of stir over this about whether the call should have been made and whether it should have been taken by the justice, knowing full well this was the way the week would play out. >> so i think the answer to whether the call should have taken place is unequivocally no. it was entirely inappropriate for justice alito to have this call with the president elect, knowing that this case was headed towards the court. and what's particularly discouraging in this entire scenario is that justice alito, when called on it, his response was that he didn't realize that this was about to hit the court, which i think every other legal analyst and probably, you know, people in the grocery store checkout line and your plumber and the people serving you dinner at the restaurant, everyone knew that this was going to land at the supreme court, that there might also be other matters, including the 11th circuit matter. so that really struck in a very disingenuous light and underscores the reality that

this is a supreme court that's unencumbered by any sort of enforceable ethical code, where a president can have a conversation with a supreme court justice and they can say to the public, well, it was about something entirely different in this case. justice alito was trying to get a job for one of his former law clerks in this white house. but that doesn't make it any less discouraging, any more of a strike against the ethical outlook of this supreme court. >> peter baker, let's talk about that for just a moment, because the justice system, the jury system was really at stake here with the sentencing, according to judge mershon, according to the prosecutor, that's why they wanted to proceed. what about the court's reputation? you know, one of the arguments here was that donald trump has damaged the judicial, the reputation of the judiciary. but the court system, by talking about witch hunts so much. and what about the reputation of the supreme court as this continuest

few years. is that, rightly or wrongly, courts and judges and even specifically the supreme court, look increasingly like just another political body. we talk about who appointed the judge, which president appointed the judge as if that was a d or an r next to their name. that wasn't always the case. you know, the supreme court until not that long ago, had republican appointed justices who were fairly liberal and democratic appointed justices who were fairly conservative or at least were iconoclastic about their views and weren't necessarily as predictable as today. so you have to wonder, and i don't know, i don't want to put any, you know, put, put the chief justice on the couch. but you have to wonder whether or not that was going through. chief justice roberts head yesterday, along with justice amy coney barrett, about whether or not the perception that the court has been helpful to president trump by, you know, issuing his immunity decision, for instance, last year, whether

he decided that this was one step too far, you know, one red line that he wasn't going to cross and demonstrate that the court remains an independent body, that, in fact, it will not simply take its orders or toe the line with the president. he said that in a message just a few weeks ago, he made very clear that in taking on the trump camp view, that some court decisions might not necessarily be abided by. he made the point that that's how the system works. you have to live with court decisions that you may not like, and if you don't do that, then then the system is, is going away. >> and lisa rubin, let's talk about the jack smith report, because the 11th circuit really knocked down aileen cannon's decision, but left standing of course, for a stay of three days post their decision. and so now they welcome the supreme court a supreme court appeal of that in the way they wrote it. and jack smith, the justice department rather has appealed it. so what do we expect to see? when do we expect to see that report?

>> well, that's an interesting question, andrea, because you're right. on one hand, the 11th circuit left judge cannon's order in place. and that means that there are three days until the release of the report, unless and until jack smith and or the department of justice come before the 11th circuit and directly challenge judge cannon's order. that's something that they directed them to do last night. if you essentially, if you have a problem with this three day delay, come back to us and appeal cannon's order directly. and we know that they have done that. at the same time, it's possible that donald trump and his co-defendants will appeal from the 11th circuit's own order, deciding not to enjoin the release of the report. go straight to the supreme court. and this is a situation, really, of donald trump and his co-defendants making instead of pursuing their relief in one court and then the next, they did it simultaneously. and that's why we're in this sort of situation of who's going to go first. it's a dueling banjos, of course. >> lisa rubin, vaughn hillyard, chuck rosenberg, peter baker,

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sweeping across massive sections of los angeles, the fires have now killed at least ten people and left a path of destruction through a number of towns in la county, thousands of homes and businesses have burned to the ground and have forced more residents to flee. >> it's devastating. all, all, all my neighbors across the top or their houses are gone. >> heartbreaking stories. it's a new fire erupting late yesterday as water supply concerns remain. not enough pressure, not enough water. firefighters tirelessly battling multiple fires for as long as 60 hours at a time. they need reinforcements. they need backup. any moment now. president biden and vice president. excuse me, vice president harris are scheduled to be briefed in the oval office on the latest on the wildfires. right now, let's go live to pacific palisades, california. and msnbc host katy tur, who grew up in la. she saw the devastation of her own childhood home of her neighborhood, katy. it's been it's been really tough

watching this and, you know, your own personal story just stands for thousands and thousands of other people. >> yeah, exactly. it is tough. we were able to drive through malibu today and just saw utter destruction along the waterfront along pch. just, just i don't know, maybe 80 homes gone along the waterfront there, those really infamous homes or famous homes when you when you drive down pch, you just see the garages. but in fact, on the other side, they're beautiful go to where all those cars were stuck. the people fled their cars and the moments of the evacuation, and then the bulldozer had to come in to move the cars out of the way. it looks like a scene out of the walking dead. andrea. it's wild. drove up through the marquez area, around all around the village area. i mean, it feels like 75% of this town is gone. there are some homes still left

standing here, and there are some streets untouched on the on the edges. but it feels like almost all of this is gone. and the scope of this tragedy, i don't i don't know how anyone's can. i just don't know how the city i don't know how the federal government, i don't know how the individuals are going to begin to wrap their mind around this and the scope of what needs to be done here. just the just think about clearing all of this to make way for an entirely new town, a town that this town has been here for 100 years. a lot of these homes were actually quite old. and that's that's saying something for los angeles. there was a news conference a moment ago with city officials and the mayor, and they did offer a little bit of good news. there is some containment now for the palisades fire. i believe it's at 8%, i think 3% for the eaton fire. those were the two big ones. and just to tell our viewers what containment is, it means that the firefighters are able to get some control over some of the boundaries of the fire. so when you're at 3%, they've got a 3% contained

boundary surrounding that fire. once they get to 100% containment, it doesn't mean the fire's out. it means they're able to literally to contain it. and that's obviously the goal we have not seen in the air today so far, any of the super scoopers that we saw yesterday, those amazing tanker planes that can dip into the ocean, literally scoop up fresh water from the pacific ocean, which is just about a mile that way. it's on the right over the bluff at the edge of this town, scoop up the water and dump it on a hillside or anything that's burning. and this is ocean water, so it's environmentally okay. it's not like the pink retardant that you get from the other air tankers that stops the fire from spreading. this suppresses the fire. we haven't seen any of those today. we saw a ton of them yesterday and that was great news. firefighters were telling me it was helping them not get ahead of things, but try to start start to make some progress on things. but then we were the first to report any blankstein here in los angeles for nbc news that one of

the super scoopers hit a drone. there was just somebody here flying a drone. i get the desire to see damage, but if there's a drone in the air, the emergency crews can't fly. it's too dangerous. and so now there's that issue. right now, an investigation is being done. you're just you're not supposed to fly anything in the air right now, because the emergency crews need to be able to work on this fire. they've got to be able to get to the ocean to get that water and to get it back. a round trip is 5 to 10 minutes. it's necessary. so there's that issue. there's still a massive evacuation order. the other big problem that people are dealing with right now, and they mentioned this in the presser as well, is that you're getting mistake evacuation orders. we just got one. i got one on my phone a moment ago and an hour ago as well. also yesterday an evacuation order for your area. please go now. they're they're not they're mistake. and the city is trying to figure out how

that is happening, why it's happening. but it's you know, if you're standing amongst all of this and, and you see an evacuation order, you think to yourself, well, okay, there's nothing really here to burn, but if you're at home and you're in santa monica or you're in brentwood, or you're in any of these neighborhoods that are surrounding some of the bigger fires, that is terrifying. and you think, oh, god, i got to go right now. so the city has to deal with that problem as well. there's also still a lot of questions about what happened with the water, what happened with the water pressure. there's a reporting from the l.a. times about a reservoir up here in the hills, the palisades reservoir being empty, and what that might have done to affect the firefighting ability. it's still andrea. it's still a very big mess here. >> and it's going to be a mess for politicians. for a long time, the mayor was out of the country. she was in ghana. questions about water, fire, water pressure. as you point out about budget cuts, fire response, why more responders weren't coming in to relieve the people there. questions for the

governor. i mean, this is going to go on and on, but let's get down to, you know, your own story because you went back to your own neighborhood and looked at your childhood home. talk to me about that, about what that experience was like. >> i'm actually in my old neighborhood. this is fisk street. it's part of the alphabet streets we can walk. i can show you a bit of what it looks like. this is what it looks like. this is every single block in this part of town. it's actually every single block in most of town. it's utterly unrecognizable. alphabet streets are named the alphabet streets because all the streets are all the letters of the alphabet. this is fisk. the next one is iliff, and then it goes on to hartsell and galloway. i lived on embry the e street, which is one block over, and i. to be fair, i lived in five different houses here. we rented and we moved a lot. so one was on embry, one was up in the hills over embry on goucher. there was another one over there. i have now been able to visit all five

and all five of them are gone, which is strange and i'm not quite sure how to deal with that. it's been bringing up a lot of memories that i that i haven't accessed, people that i haven't thought of in years. i had a memory of my first kiss. i it might have been on facebook. it might have been on i live with a boy named johnny, the first house party i threw as a teenager. i learned the lesson that all house parties thrown as a teenager end with the cops showing up. perennial lesson of the 1990s. and then, you know, there's like the riding the bikes. my elementary school is severely damaged. my one of my middle schools, again, we bounced around a lot. it was also really damaged. i got an email from them saying that they're, you know, devastated, but they will rebuild. and there are so many families here who lost everything. there's also just so many people who have lived here over the years. i've got a lot of friends who grew up here and moved out and they've

come. they've been calling and talking about their own memories. jacob soboroff is one of them. jake levine, who you might know, a white house official who's been a guest on our shows a lot, somebody who's really a big expert in environmental issues. there's a lot of people that that love this place and are devastated to see it destroyed like this and are also really nervous about what's going to come of it. i mean, these are small little lots, andrea. i mean, there were nice houses, definitely. then the values have gone up over the years immensely because the neighborhood has just gotten so wealthy. but the people that lived in the alphabet streets specifically were, you know, more on the middle class side. and they've been here for a lot of them have been here for generations. and are they going to are they going to be able to afford to rebuild, to come back? what's this place going to look like after this? >> i mean, it's just these are the personal stories. and i think of also the, you know, the schools, the damage to museums, other locations, all the people who've evacuated, the effect,

the psychological effects on children. katie, thank you very much for all you're doing out there and bringing it home to us. appreciate it. thanks, andrea. and joining us now is captain marco rodriguez, the public information officer for l.a. county fire department. captain rodriguez, thank you very much. and i know you're probably working around the clock, and we appreciate your time today. so can you address some of the questions of the lack of personnel? what more do you need? how are your responders? are they getting any relief, any sleep? and do they have what they need now? >> we are encountering a really unprecedented, unprecedented conditions in the first couple of days. and we had crews working double shifts 48 hours at a time. and luckily we were getting more resources on this fire. we're currently at over 3000 personnel assigned. and as

you mentioned earlier, we have the super scoopers and we have air attack. we have helicopters. so right now, given the conditions and the weather we're doing, we're doing our best. we're getting a little break on the wind conditions that are normal for this time of year in this area. and we are taking the fight to the fire instead of trying to react. right now, we're working really hard at being able to get 80% containment, and we're hoping that the conditions will continue the same way, and then we're going to continue to fight and try to get this thing out and talk about the containment, how much is contained to these various fires? >> is this a different amount for each of these fires now? >> right, right. and we have many, many fires going on as, as you all know. but the palisades fire, we have 8% containment. there's still fire activity. and the perimeter of the fire is it's really big. we have just

over 20,000 acres and we are doing our best to get that number high as fast as possible. >> what about the water? does that remain a concern? >> we're working with water and power. the department of water and power to assess the situation. we did bring in water tenders, the initial attack. we will continue to do that as well. fire officials are working and also telling us that they they are telling us that they do have water. they've been able to fight this fire and we understand the challenges, but we're doing our best to mitigate those as best as possible. >> there's a forecast after a couple of days where the winds have subsided somewhat for strong and damaging santa ana winds again predicted for next week, early next week. so can you bulk up on water and other supplies? can you get more

support before that happens? >> definitely. we are waiting for that. we're looking closely to the weather coming up next week. we're getting ready and we're going to do our best to have all the water supply that we need, and we're not going to see winds like we saw on the first couple of days. that was an unprecedented situation, with gusts up to close to 100 miles an hour. and we've never seen that here. >> and does the death toll still remain at ten? >> yeah. right now we haven't gotten to anything else from from yesterday. we're hoping to get updated information. this is going to be an ongoing investigation. and as we have damaged inspections we'll have a better idea. but that will take a long time. >> captain marco rodriguez, thank you very much. and our best to you and the whole team. the teams in the field in

particular. thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> and next, the future of the wildly popular social media platform tiktok could be decided today by the u.s. supreme court. well, the argument is today, but we have to wait to hear whether they make a quick ruling. what we learned from this morning's arguments before the high court, that's next. you're watching that's next. you're watching andrea mitchell reports on (♪♪) years of hard work. decades of dedication. committed to giving back. you've been there, done that. and you're still here for more. so now that you're 50 or older, and at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia and ipd be proactive with capvaxive- a vaccine specifically designed for adults to help protect against pneumonia and invasive disease caused by certain types of pneumococcal bacteria. capvaxive is the only vaccine that helps protect against the strains that cause 84% of ipd in adults 50 or older compared with up to 52%

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oral arguments which could decide the fate of tiktok, one of the nation's most popular social media platforms. congress had set a january 19th deadline for tiktok's china based parent company, bytedance, to sell the platform. at issue is whether tiktok's ties to the chinese government threaten national security, something chief justice john roberts addressed today. >> bytedance was found by congress as, quote, this to be subject to chinese laws that require it to assist or cooperate with the chinese government's intelligence work, and to ensure that the chinese government has the power to access and control private data that the company holds. so are we supposed to ignore the fact that the ultimate parent is, in fact, subject to doing intelligence work for the chinese government? >> and back with us now is us former u.s. attorney joyce vance. and joining us, todd spangler, the business editor for variety who has been covering tiktok. so joyce, certainly the chief was

suggesting that there is an issue of china's indirect control or access to tiktok. there is a chinese law. and we should also point out that the administration and a majority in congress decided that there was enough evidence of chinese hacking, which has really accelerated. there's an ongoing hack, you know, right now into telecom companies by china telecom, which has not even been stopped by the us government or the companies. they haven't even determined the extent of it. and accessing everybody's, you know, potentially everybody's cell phones and other devices. joyce, there is an absolute national security concern here. >> china has a different relationship with business entities in the country than the way we think of us. companies working with the united states government. and so the concerns

presented by the solicitor general when she discusses why congress chose to pass this law, it passed with bipartisan support for taking these measures. those are very real concerns, but it's unprecedented to try to measure them against a platform where people engage in free speech. and that's why the court has agreed to hear this case and is struggling with the issue. it looks from today's argument, like those national security concerns will be the most pressing. but how the court gets there remains to be seen. when you're talking about a law that moderates content directly, that would require strict scrutiny, a high legal standard that would require the law to have the best form of justification. it sounded like the justices were interested in using a different standard, perhaps an intermediate scrutiny, a lower standard that would allow them to uphold the law that congress has passed

here. >> and todd, just two weeks ago, president elect trump called on the supreme court to temporarily halt the law that would lead to the nationwide ban of tiktok. this is a change in what his previous position was, and he does have a lot of very wealthy supporters who are involved with tiktok and who have met with him on this. could trump ignore the court's decision once he's president? if they were to decide against tiktok? >> well, this is a law that has been passed by congress and signed by president biden. so he can't just decide that the law no longer applies because he loves tiktok. >> now, you know, he has to abide by the law. >> and the supreme court's decision on this. but what he said was he wants the court to basically punt the decision until after he takes office and after he works out a, quote, negotiated settlement that would preserve tiktok in the country

and address national security concerns. >> somehow, his brief with the court did not spell out what that would all mean. but that's what he has asked the supreme court to consider. >> and of course, as elena kagan pointed out, tiktok does have the option of divesting and selling to an american based company and eliminating that alleged china threat. joyce vance, todd spangler it's a complicated issue. thank you so much for bringing it up, bringing it to us. and next, we'll go back to los angeles with a live report from the fire zone as exhausted firefighters keep going despite unrelenting conditions. you're watching conditions. you're watching an tamra, izzy and emma... they respond to emails with phone-calls... and they don't "circle back" they're already there. they wear business sneakers and pad their keyboards with something that makes their clickety- clacking... clickety-clackier. but no one loves logistics as much as they do.

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least for the eaton fire, remains at 0%. a frustrating number as we see containment grow on the palisades. fire on some of these other fires that have broken out over the last 72 hours or so. we're standing in front of what was an elementary school, just one of the thousands of buildings that have been reported burned as a result of the eaton fire, which exploded tuesday night to an absolute inferno. and really, what we've seen in the days since then has been an evolving firefight here, thanks in large part to the wind dying down somewhat. but any sort of push one way or the other can still carry an ember. and that's why spot fires are really a main concern today. we did have a chance to travel with a fire crew, not here at the eaton fire, but at the palisades fire yesterday. and yet we ran into a similar issue that firefighters have been expressing to us since this firefight began. i joined

captain adam van gerpen of los angeles fire department, and i want you to hear some of the exchange that we had on a firefight yesterday, just to paint a picture of what crews are dealing with. take a listen. what's the water situation here? >> you know. yeah, it looks like looks like they're probably on a hydrant and they're supplying two lines. so what's that? oh, your tank hydrant. okay, so you don't you don't have water supply there. >> okay, so we have menlo park to supply us. okay. >> okay. so they so yeah, they don't have a water supply here. so. so because they don't have a water supply they're doing a relay. so they have a fire coming. a fire engine coming from the bottom of the hill is bringing them supply. so they have 500 gallons. so they're basically fighting this fire. 500 gallons at a time. there are no hydrants here. this hydrant has no no water in it. >> we're looking at something

that is not helping in this firefight at all. >> right now. this is doing nothing for them. >> right now. that hydrant issue has been a question raised to officials. they've simply said that when you have 4 or 5 fires happening simultaneously, their system or frankly, no system could have handled that water demand on it at the same time. and that contributed to the low water pressure, which, as we found yesterday, andrea, in certain areas has yet to come back full. and that's certainly going to be a raising question going forward here. andrea. >> morgan chesky, thank you. thank you to all of us, all of you and your teams. that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. and before i go, i just want to say a wonderful thank you and congratulations to my dear friend hoda kotb for 17 extraordinary years as co-anchor and many years before that as a correspondent. hoda, we do love you. and chris jansing report

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