shows i do think it's worth being very clear eyed, very realistic about what's going on here. previews of our podcasts and documentaries, plus written perspectives from the newsmakers themselves, all sent directly to your inbox each morning. get the best of msnbc all in one place. sign up for msnbc daily at msnbc. com. >> good to be with you. i'm katie tur, live from the palisades, where multiple wildfires across los angeles county are still burning. at this hour. at least ten people are now dead, though the true death toll at this hour is not yet known. almost 200,000 people have fled their homes in the handful of areas where evacuation evacuation orders have lifted. people are returning to not much. no homes, no neighborhoods, no community. the largest fire is still the

palisades fire. it is now 8% contained, according to officials. as of this morning, though, the wind that is expected to pick up throughout the day will test that. red flag warnings will stay in place in los angeles county through 6 p.m. this evening. the eaton fire and angeles national forest has burned, now almost 14,000 acres, and is 3% contained. the newest fire, the kenneth fire, which broke out last night in the west hills and quickly ate through about 1000 acres, is 35% contained. and it's not just the strong winds that are impeding firefighters. it is water, water access and water pressure. water lines across los angeles county started to sputter soon after the initial fires broke out. in pacific palisades, hydrants failed after three tanks, each holding a million gallons of water, went dry within a span of 12 hours, getting water to the upper reaches of the hillside

communities has been an added challenges challenge. excuse me, residents are now asking why? i've spoken to an la county fire pio and they're going to explain the water issues in just a moment. but first i want to bring in. and just standing next to me is chef jose andres and actress jennifer garner. if you can join me now. i literally just saw them on the road and flagged them down and asked them to come join me. chef, i want to begin with you. i have to say, this is the last place i ever thought i would see you. i thought i would be sent to somewhere else in the world that would experience something like this, and not not to my hometown. what are you doing right now? >> well, it's what the world central kitchen does. >> being next to the people we activated one hour after the fires began, because unfortunately, we have a lot of experience in fires and a lot of team members in la. >> and as we saw that the fires kept growing. >> we keep adding more team

members, more food trucks, and we're feeding people in shelters. we are feeding first responders. >> we are adapting because the situation keeps evolving day by day. >> and we are in every community, in every shelter or in the in the places where the fire trucks gather to make sure that everybody is receiving food and water. unstoppable. >> if you are. that is true. if you are watching this right now and you're in los angeles county, you've been evacuated and you'd like a hot meal, where do you go? >> well, the good news is that it's not only what world central kitchen does in the worst moments of humanity, the best of humanity shows up. so it's plenty. >> plenty of restaurants and chefs popping up in the middle of nowhere and doing tacos or hot dogs. >> so this is the. fortunately, this is the beauty of moments like this. but obviously you can go to the world central kitchen to talk web page. we're in a lot of places. we are in a lot of communities, and there you will find some of the places that we are providing meals for the community, on top of the

shelters and on top of obviously, the first responders that we are feeding everywhere. we feel they need our help. >> jen, i know you're helping out. why was it so important for you to link up with jose for this? >> well, this is this. i've lived in and around the palisades for 25 years, so i think all of us just we want to get our hands into working somehow to be helpful. >> and because of my work with save the children, we have a relationship with chef. and i was able to just say, can i, can i be with you for the day? >> what can i do to help put me to work? >> and so and this is intensely personal for you. you just mentioned it's your neighbor. you lived here for a long time. i mean, i've been trying to describe the alphabet streets which are behind us. we're on fisk right now. if anybody knows. >> can i tell you my best friend's house was down the street. they had a gong in their front yard. there were so many kids. >> there were so many kids that played in the street, and they would hit the gong at the end of the day and call them home.

>> just like neighborhoods across the country, it is not some faraway place that you can't reach. this is like the street we run down on five k's. >> this is where the little fire truck that. >> god bless our firefighters. this is where the fire truck goes. you know, on the 4th of july parade. >> this is a this is a neighborhood. >> it's a neighborhood. >> one of the places that that is close to me, that i that i know is close to you is the methodist church. it's right across the street from palisades elementary. when i was a kid, i did the bells. i sang in the choir poorly. it's now. it's gone. yeah. what did it mean to you? i mean. >> it's my family's church, and it's where my kids went to sunday school. >> i we lit the advent candle together there a couple of weeks ago. we watched the little kids perform. >> it's a preschool. >> it is a it's a central place for our community. >> there are so many incredible

aa meetings, al-anon meetings. >> you know, it's it was a gathering. it's a gathering point for the entire community and full of really quirky, cool, mostly blue collar people of the community. and just like i love belonging there because wherever i went, i would run into somebody from our our. >> do they still do after after services on sunday? did everyone still gather outside for coffee? >> yeah. >> cookies and coffee. >> yeah. >> it was. i remember vividly being a part of that and being and feeling like i was a part of a community. and i went to the same youth group. how has it been? i'm struggling personally to just kind of make sense of all of this. how has it been for you? i know you lost a friend. >> i did lose a friend. >> and for our church, it's really tender, so i don't feel like i should talk about her yet. >> but yeah, i did lose a friend who did not get out in time. >> and, you know, how has it

been for you just. just to see all this? >> it's just, i just my heart bleeds for my friends. i mean, i can think of 100 families, and there are 5000 homes lost. i can without even. i could just write out a list of 100 friends who lost their homes. it's just like i feel almost guilty walking through my house. just, you know, what can i do? how can i help? what can i, what can i offer? what do i have to offer with these, these hands and these walls and the safety that i that i have. >> you can you can align yourself with somebody like this. >> but let me just say, i mean, it is an incredible thing to watch somebody to watch world central kitchen and chef jose just come in and just we've got this handled. don't worry. we've got you. you know i mean save the children is mounting response. and we will be in shelters helping parents and kids and keeping them safe and social emotional. and we're we'll be here in a big way very very soon. but until then, the first person here, the first

thing you have to do is feed the people who are caring for the communities and that that's that's what world central kitchen does. you're never going wrong if you donate to world central kitchen. >> but the most important thing here is once the cameras are gone, once everybody forgets about what's happening here, like we've seen in asheville, in north carolina, in so many other places. >> yeah, we need to make sure paradise, where we need to remember that we cannot leave these communities. >> no, forgotten. >> obviously, everybody has to remember them. >> we need to find ways so they can start reconstruction. and obviously, when we talk about the federal government, that's where the federal government plays a big role. we need to make sure that the people that lost their jobs, probably for weeks or months, they're not going to have an income that we take care of those people. this is the type of things we need to make sure that our politicians on one side and on the other, they don't start arguing or finger pointing. but working with smart policy. so in these events, we can make sure that people are taken care of. we the people. >> let me let me on that note.

let's bring in jacob soboroff, who you know well as well, chef jen, you know, now he grew up here as well. but there are there are people that have been foundational for this community, and these are folks that have that have worked in the local haunts. you know, mort's deli, when mort's was still around, i just saw i just was talking to jen and chef just a minute ago, and i just got back from a local restaurant, cafe vida, which, you know, well, yeah, of course, i mean, you know, well, to had a 100 million meals there, it is a staple of it. >> and as i was walking over here and hearing you talk about the workers, what's your i mean, people know to look to you for a meal, but i know that you also have a message for the workers that work in these places where people would normally get a meal. i mean, the people that make these communities go, what would you say to those people today? >> well, you know, i said before the worst moments and the worst moments, the best of humanity shows up. >> but obviously what we need to be doing is remembering that the cameras and the lights are going

to be used off, and we're going to be forgetting about this. and what we need to be doing is, in the long term that we are here, that we don't forget these communities, that they feel they are supported well with federal aid. well, but we cannot use forget these people and we need to have good policies and good systems. so these people never feel forgotten. >> i want to emphasize that because jen and i were talking about there's a guy, alby, who's worked in this community for 34 years who has been a waiter at cafe vida before that at mort's the deli. i've known him since i was eight years old. he worked behind the counter. yeah, for people like that. what are those people mean to this community? >> yeah, i mean, they're the staple of the community. it's like. i mean, honestly, the palisades is feels like a little neighborhood. it's almost like sesame street, right? like like, you know, the people who are serving you food, you know, the people you care about each other. there's a reciprocity here, and there's a there's a real love here. and we've got to we've got to take care of them. and i can think of people who

work at these places that i've been in touch with, who, you know, their parents lost their homes, they lost their homes, they lost the place that they work and there for so many, so many families. it's just going to be okay. what next? so we just have to try to slow it down and also just really emotionally support the kids who lost their school, their home, their church, their their playground, our little playground down here, the just the community. it's we've got to really do some social emotional support. >> i was talking to one mom who was looking at her home. she had her two kids with her and i, these poor children. i just kept thinking of my own children and how i would tell them about what happened. and they're small. they're three and five. like, what sort of how would i break the news to them that we can't go home or like, break the news that maybe i wasn't able to grab their favorite lovey? yeah. you know, and there's going to be stories like that. you just you ran with your lives. and how do you how do you how do you help

your kid understand that just because the home is gone and our stuff is gone, it's going to be okay. we're going to be able to rebuild the tumult of that, the disruption of that. and then, as you said, they don't have schools here any longer. yeah, it's having to go from here to build a new life, people. >> and for example, our little elementary school, 35 families lost their homes, five teachers families lost their homes. and the school is instantly curating specifically for each family. what is your child missing the most? they have a family donating tables. we have, you know, everybody has some. some little kid is just like, i just wanted my little my leggings, i missed it. so we're getting that kid. but so every so the people are strong in the sense of community is strong. we will look after each other and that is still here. that's stronger than ever. and just like chef said i mean i've i've gotten to visit so many disaster relief areas and you expect to find i mean this is tragic but you always find love and hope. yeah.

>> yeah. and that's what we need our leaders. >> that's what we need to remember to do, not bring the worst out of everybody. >> but what do we do to make sure that we take care of the people? >> this is a man who just was awarded the medal by president biden. and that's true. i know that you you were at the white house just days ago and you have this relationship with this administration. how important is it that the next administration stays engaged in just nine days time? >> well, obviously, that will be an important message to president trump. this is not about red states and blue states. so towns that voted for me or towns that didn't vote for me. this is about we the people, the american people that usually they are all always working together in their communities. nobody knows who votes for whom. it's people working together. that's what any administration needs to remember. >> i'm going to leave it there because i want to talk to the fema administrator who's waiting patiently for us. i want to say shout out to 69, 69, the fire station just down the road. >> tell me who is amazing. he's just gathering every fire

department. >> these guys and gals have been so essential in fighting these fires. it's their community too. and thank them. i want to thank them for their work. i know you guys are there thanking them as well. to all the crews out here who have been doing just yeoman's work trying to fight the flames in impossible situations. jose andres, thank you. thank you for jennifer garner. thank you. thank you for allowing me to just, you know, steal you off the street, get you to come talk to us about all that's been happening. thank you. >> i'm so sorry for everything and for you. >> yeah, yeah, we will all make it. all right. joining me now, fema administrator deanne criswell, who joins us from the los angeles county emergency command center. i'm so sorry for making you wait. can you tell us a little bit about the response going forward? there is so much devastation here, and there's going to be such a towering amount of need. how does the federal government address that? >> yeah. thank you. >> i mean, i'm here right now at

the county eoc, and i just received a briefing from them on the status of the multiple fires. >> right. we see the five that they're currently fighting, but there have been so many starts and the amount of resources that have been coming in. and, you know, the national interagency fire center is providing all of the resources to help support the firefighters here in cal fire, and we are beginning that recovery process with them opening up now, the ability for individuals to register for assistance. and so anybody that's listening, if you have not registered, you should go to disasterassistance.gov and start that process. i was able to be in the field yesterday, and i'm going to go here right after this. in the amount of destruction is just unbelievable. and we know that this recovery effort is going to take a long time, and it is going to be complex. and that's why i think the president, president biden, authorizing 100% of the reimbursement for these initial recovery and these initial response needs, is going to be so critical to helping these communities start this

really amazing process of rebuilding. >> i'm just getting another emergency alert. there's been an issue with the i don't know if this one is a mistake or not, but let me ask you about housing. housing has already been such a struggle in this city. there's a lack of affordable housing. it's a crisis. there's now going to be even less affordable housing. how does fema step in to help with housing? >> do we have a number of tools that we're going to have to use to help to support these communities? >> i mean, the first thing that we need to do right now is make sure that everybody is in a safe place, that they're out of the danger zone, and if they've had to go to a hotel, we can help reimburse. now, with this major disaster declaration costs that they're incurring for hotel rooms or even costs that they're incurring even while staying with friends and family. you know, once they register for assistance, we can also then start to understand what their longer term needs are going to be. one of the biggest resources we have is long term rental reimbursement. so if we can help

them find a place to rent, reimburse them for those rental costs while their homes are being rebuilt. but we'll also look at the other tools and we'll bring in the rest of the federal family. like the sba has a wide variety of resources to not just help small businesses, but to also help homeowners and renters with with low interest loans to help them in this recovery journey. and if we need other tools, we'll bring them in. but we know that it's going to take every tool we have in our toolbox to meet the needs of these communities. >> i don't want to make this political, but i do want to ask about the finances of fema. we're seeing so many more natural disasters, a much heavier toll, more powerful storms. we've already dealt with what happened in north carolina this year. also, the destruction across florida from the hurricanes. you have this fire just beginning this new year of 2025. does does fema have fundamentally have enough money and the capacity to respond to this new world that we're living

in with these more powerful storms, these more destructive disasters? >> i mean, we're certainly seeing more disaster declarations than we've ever seen before. and the cost of these disasters continues to rise with the recent supplemental. fema did get an additional $27 billion. and so we now have the funding we need for this fiscal year to continue to support the response to this incident, the initial recovery efforts, as well as the recovery efforts that we saw from hurricanes helene and milton and all of the previous declarations that we've had. but we need to invest in resilience. and as we recover from this disaster, we need to help these communities rebuild in a way that's going to make them more resilient to future fires. and so we want to use some of this funding to help them do that, because we are not going to be able to continue to keep up with the response needs. if we don't take the time and the focus to invest in making these communities more resilient at the same time, fema administrator deanne criswell, thank you very much for joining

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this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business. is the eaton fire. it's killed five people and destroyed or damaged at least 5000 structures, making it the fourth most destructive wildfire in state history. joining us now, nbc news correspondent ellison barber, who is in altadena. ellison, i just want to make this point before i get to you. los angeles is so large that you are an hour away from me. you can hit rhode island and delaware into los angeles county. that is the scope, the range that firefighters in the city and county had to deal with. as so many of these fires broke out. you're in front of a very similar scene out there to what i've. what i'm in front of here in the palisades. tell me what you've been hearing, what you've been experiencing. yeah. >> i mean, katie, only 3% of this fire contained. we keep hearing right now, periodically overhead the air support, trying

to drop water and get this fire under control. and then here, it's just the remnants of those flames that tore through here four days ago. i do want to introduce you to the person who lives in this house, actually, because as we were walking by, philippe was here with his daughter, picking up leaves, cleaning, tidying things up. you said. right? >> because even though the flames are no longer around this home, there's concern that when the wind picks up monday, it could come back. >> and you were saying you were trying to just make sure you got that possible fuel for any flames that come back out of the way. and if we look over here, we can look over here and show, as you're telling us a little bit about this, philippe. because katie, he was here on tuesday night when the flames started coming in. >> he said. and there are a lot of questions in this community. some people saying he was all of where all the resources at the fire, where you are. is that why we felt like it took so long to come here? >> but philippe, you were telling me that you were out here pretty much alone. you didn't see a fire truck here or anything until wednesday morning, and you were dousing

this house and the ones around it trying to save it. talk to me about what you did that night. >> about 2:00 in the morning, i had a garden hose hooked up to the front of the house. it's about 150 foot garden hose. >> and that was spraying the house. i first started spraying our house. >> i was watering the sidewalks, the grass, and then literally, i was trying as far as the hose could reach. >> as far as i can help my neighbors and my heart and my soul goes out to them because we just they lost so much. >> you know, when we talk, the thing you have. and i can show you some of this katie on his shoe, there is a hole because while he was trying to put out the fires, you caught on fire. yes. and you doused yourself in water and kept trying to put out the neighbors. but the only time i've seen you get really emotional is when you talk about your neighbors and all that they've lost. why has that hit so hard for you? >> because they've always been there for me and my family since my kids were born. they always

come over and make sure we're all right. and at their birthdays, christmas, thanksgiving, even though by name they're not family, they're in our hearts because they were always making sure that me and my wife, as a young one of the younger families that came here, moved here, that they wanted to make sure that we were welcome. they were so welcoming. and my heart is just broken that i felt i did as much as i could. you know, i just wish there was more resources when the winds were probably 70, 80 miles an hour. i mean, imagine taking a shower when you take a shower and imagine taking a shower and nothing but red ashes. i didn't even need a flashlight because the whole sky was red around me. it was just so bad. and people were saying, why didn't you get out? well, i parked my truck in the driveway and i figured the last ditch, i'm jumping in the truck and i'm gone. and i did what i did. at least i can. i can live with that. i didn't want to live the rest of my life saying, did i try enough? that's

what you know. i gave him my best. >> and when you come back here and look, i mean, you helped save this house next door. you were telling us this house, katie is still standing. part of the fence is burned, but the house over here is still standing because of what philippe was able to do with his garden hose. the other houses, though on the other side, were not. philippe, do you feel guilty about that? >> i gave him my best. i did water him as much as i could, so i did water them too. the problem is my hose would not extend. and their and their hoses were so tangled up. it was so hard. i was i was just running between all the houses. i was literally by myself in the dark for five hours, nonstop. and the only reason, like you pointed out to my shoe that was on fire, the only reason i knew it was on fire is because i felt something hot. other than that, i would have known i was on pure adrenaline. my hands got all cut. my eyes, they're not so

much, but they were bloodshot red, i mean red, glowing red. >> the next day. an amazing job. >> and i know your i don't, you know. yeah. my wife says you're a hero. i said i'm not a hero. i just i just tried to save what we worked so hard all our lives for. >> you know, katie, that is one of the things that's striking to me. i know you're from here, and i will tell you, alyssa didn't want to talk. right now she's back here helping. but she does want you to know she's a big dodgers fan. >> so is her brother. >> and that what he is saying there, the emotions he feels about feeling like even though he's not a firefighter, he's not a first responder, a feeling like he didn't do enough to help his neighbors when it wasn't his responsibility to begin with, is an extraordinary testament to the spirit here and the community, and the willingness people have to go out of their way to help each other in the best of times and the worst of times. and this family is one another dodgers fan for you that really did that here? >> katie, i here's how you can help them. now alison you can get your phone out. you can look up queen and play we are the

champions because we are the champions. dodgers won it. won it last year. won the world series alison thank you very much. and thank you to that family. really remarkable remarkable interview. joining us now altadena town council member nick anson. thank you so much for being with us, sir. tell me about god. you know, i know altadena looks just like this. the palisades in altadena are both just leveled. how many homes have been destroyed? how many people are displaced? >> well, i'll look at my numbers from yesterday. >> we haven't had our briefing today. >> i will say, you know, there's eight census tracts in altadena. i was able to get into mine yesterday and see our home, which is gone. nearly every home in my census tract is gone. we're in north part of altadena, so some of the numbers i have again from yesterday, easily over a thousand. they knew yesterday within 24 hours. as you know, katie, this moved so

quickly. the winds were so intense. i'm sure that's tripled. i can't even tell you. it looks like half of altadena is gone and we have 45,000 residents. other numbers i've got, they were trying to still protect about 29,000 structures. again, i'm sure that's dwindled down. things are still i just heard about an hour ago. there are still buildings catching on fire. and what would seem that the fire has already passed through. as you probably learned, katie, there's still a high risk. so i would take this opportunity to tell people, even though i was up in there, i was doing an interview with someone. don't go up, please. as far as looting, the national guard is now protecting the border, but the local law enforcement doesn't know how to tell looters from people checking on their homes. so i know that we're all dying to know what's going on. hopefully you can reach out to neighbors. as philippe said, we are such a close community. reach out to those people not just for comfort but for info.

we will keep trying to get you info, go to the altadena town council.org website. that's altadena town council.org. we're going to have a banner that will direct you to another website with sources and as much information as we're gathering. >> how are you doing? >> i'm just trying to get through. >> you know, i'm it's important for me to get to know my community as a council member. but that leads to getting personally involved with businesses with every inch. and just watching this happen, we're all hurting. the palisades is hurting. everybody's hurting. and they'll understand. when i say it just. it's hard to answer that question. katie, you have too much going on. it's been, what, 48 hours? just a little over. i haven't processed it. i believe in my community. i'm passionate about taking care of

that community. so i am prioritizing my family and they're pushing me to make sure i do interviews like this, to make people aware of how decimated our town is, to get as much resources to our town as possible. i know you're doing a great job of telling people how to do that. the personal story is just grief and trying to, as my husband put it, trying to recognize we'd rather be mourning a house than mourning one of our children or one of our friends or family. and i'm not sure who the deceased were so far. and i will say, talking to our emergency officials, that number is going to go up. they're only recognizing bodies because they made their way out of their residence onto their yards. you can't recognize anything within a home right now. so i don't know what the missing numbers are. but i will lastly say it's often easy to dismiss climate change, to dismiss the effects when it doesn't directly affect you. we get too used to that. it's inconvenient to think about. but

i said this earlier, it's coming your way. you know, if this isn't obvious enough, if the floods and the hurricanes and the tornadoes aren't obvious enough, it's time for us to make this change. this next administration scares me because i don't know what they're going to do about that, and i don't know if this will be effective to them. but the past administrations haven't done enough either. they've tried. so that's just my little climate change. stance. >> i'm happy you said it. there's a there's a quote going around the internet, which i think is really very apt and tells exactly what you're saying, which is that we're going to experience climate change through the videos shot on personal phones. and those videos are going to get closer and closer until it's you holding the camera, showing the destruction of your town, your surroundings. and i think we've been witnessing that over and

over again for the past, especially the past few years. it's just getting closer and closer and worse and worse. thank you so much for joining us. i'm so sorry. >> sorry. go on. >> i'm just i'm just so sorry. i, i just want to thank you for making the time and telling the story and trying to get help to the people you represent in altadena. >> i appreciate that, and i appreciate you again for, you know, getting all sides of the story. i know the celebrities it's important to because people can relate to them and they feel connected to them. so that's important. but there's just so many stories up here on the hill and i appreciate you. this is a small town. i came from dubuque, iowa. we, my husband and i sort this out to raise our children because everybody knows each other. they watch each other and you know, that same kind of village feeling down where you're at. so keep holding on to each other. altadena, we're going to get through this. we'll be seeing you very soon. we're setting up a grief event. and

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>> the wildfires have been burning up. plastics, construction materials, household products, metals and chemicals inside the structures that they burn, blanketing l.a. county with a toxic soup of smoke, ash and ash and noxious gases that can be dangerous, even deadly. joining us now, pulmonologist and msnbc medical contributor, doctor vin gupta. i think the first thing you're going to say to me, doctor, is put on my mask. >> that's right. >> but you bring up something really important that we need to talk about. >> people think in 95. >> respirator. >> katie, you and i have talked about that mask. >> how many years now? for various reasons. that does not do the trick when it comes to dealing with volatile organic gases that get emitted in the setting of wildfire smoke. >> so you nailed it. >> there's more than just the soot that you can breathe in, that you can see on your mask. >> and so if you're going to be out a gas mask, p100, especially

for firefighters out there, are reporters really, really critical p100 gas mask. >> that's what blocks out those volatile organic compounds from from going into your lungs more broadly for everybody watching. and katie, this is really, really important. this can save lives. this is not going to be the last fire, sadly, that we face in southern california or across the country. less than 30% of households have a carbon monoxide detector at home. >> that has to change. i've heard from friends and colleagues in the l.a. county area just over the last few days. >> often it was the carbon monoxide alarm that first raised alarms, that something was happening in their home and prompting an evacuation before they smelled smoke, before they saw actual flames. >> so get that commander as soon as possible. >> how? if you're not in the fire zone, if you are outside of the fire zone, how do you know it's safe to breathe the air? and do you need such a strong

mask? >> no you don't. >> so if you're outside the evacuation zones, the first thing to do is go to airnow.gov to check the air quality. >> if it's anything a hundred and above, i would say you should wear a mask outside, especially if you have preexisting condition or say you're pregnant. but if it's less than 100, that's when you can go out and feel reasonably comfortable to live your life. the things to do. if you're in a place where the air quality index is above 100, stay indoors. avoid any physical exertion. again, if you can. outdoors, run your air conditioning, actually lower the damper outside so that you're recirculating air, but run your ac. >> hopefully you have one. if you have an air filter, especially from pandemic days, run that that will be very useful. and make sure you keep your windows closed. >> i actually recommend putting duct tape on where the windows meet the ledge, so that you minimize permeation of particles into your at home environment. but those are some things you can do. >> who is particularly at risk? >> so katie, you know it's going

to be anybody that's medically high risk 60 and older just based on an age perspective. >> if you have underlying lung or heart disease, i worry about you. >> we're seeing this throughout l.a. county, especially seniors. they're very high risk for ending up in the er. >> we're seeing lots of exacerbations. >> so that's that's a concern. and then young kids, frankly, anybody that's less than a teenager is at risk because they still have developing lungs. developing lungs are uniquely prone to the impacts of wildfire smoke that can actually cause them to shrink. and it can be just a matter of a few days of exposure, especially if you're out there, you're breathing this air without any protection. >> even a few days of exposure can can impact developing lungs and developing immune systems. >> lastly, i'll just say, if you're pregnant, treat yourself as though you would. >> if you're 65 years of age or older. >> not only is wildfire smoke uniquely impactful and can really be harmful to your developing baby, but it is impactful to the immune system of the pregnant female. so that's where it's really important pregnant to take extra

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left burned straight through. i got to tell you, it looks like a scene out of the walking dead, a disaster movie, zombie movie or whatever. it's very eerie to come upon all these abandoned cars. i've been speaking to a source within the fire department, and this is not going to be surprising, but they were saying that part of the issue to getting up for firefighters getting up to the highlands, this was just this is sunset right below the highlands, right below palisades drive, is that there was a multiple hour delay to get through and up to that fire where things first started, because people abandoned their cars in the middle of the road in a panic, obviously, because they were not able to get through, they had to wait multiple hours in order to get a tow truck to get in there. not a tow truck, but a bulldozer, literally, to get in there to move the cars out of the way. that's part of why the response wasn't as quick in the immediate moments as they would have intended it for it to be. there's also a lot of questions

about water, water pressure, water running out. people in this neighborhood are very angry about that. they want answers. i spoke in the last hour to david ortiz, the public information officer for the la county fire department, and he helped me understand what happened. david, thank you for being with us. i know there are a lot of questions right now. some residents who lost everything are really angry about water. they say there wasn't enough water. the pumps were dry at some points. what happened? >> you know, it was the perfect storm. all the things lined up against having a successful fire fight. here. we as firefighters, we take pride in the work. we train diligently for different scenarios. >> and we have, you know, a primary plan, an alternate plan, the contingency plan, and then an emergency plan. >> and all those plans were out the window that day. it was complete chaos here because of the magnitude. this fire

overwhelmed our resources. we had actually staffed additional personnel. additional engines pre-positioned them, and they came in running and engaged this fire immediately. >> i have colleagues and individuals who said that they saw things burning, and there were no firefighters anywhere to be seen, especially in the early moments. yeah. how does that happen? >> well, what happened is we had several hundred homes being ignited all at the same time. it was a firestorm and the ember cast coming off of 700 acres that had burned and then changed fire, wind direction, and the embers were being cast all over this community of pacific palisades or the highlands. and these embers were landing one block there, one block there in the hundreds. and the firefighters tried to keep pace.

the primary objective was to save lives first, get people out, get them to evacuate. the second was to try to protect properties and engage. and they did their darndest. it's very different when we fight fire in a residence versus in the brush in residence. it takes 4 or 5 fire companies to be able to save a house. once a fire catches in a house, then the strategy is try to protect the neighbor's house or the neighboring business. the firefighters were trying to do that, but they're just we could have had an army of firefighters here, and they would not have been able to stop the fire spread because of the numbers of homes taken off all at the same time. >> the l.a. times is reporting the reservoir up in the hills up here, the one that serves the palisades was empty. yes. >> was it? it was. why the. i'm

not a hydraulics expert, but our firefighters were pumping millions of gallons of water. the system is designed to be able to handle so much water, and even for brush fires. it was set up to handle a brush fire. but this was the brush fire of fire. >> but it was empty before the brush fire started. >> well, what happens is at the beginning of the i'm sorry at night. this is a gravity fed system. at night there's tanks that sit above this community and they fill up with water. and as the day progresses, the tank is what is feeding the pressure into this neighborhood. and so folks shower up, shave water, their community, their gardens, etcetera. and they use water in addition to people with their garden hoses, wetting up their roofs, wetting up their homes, trying to make them more resistant to the fire. the

firefighters were in here. we had a lot of fire companies in here, and they're all drawing water at the same time. >> if it was full, would that have changed? no. why? >> no? the capacity, the amount of pressure, the amount of water that was flowing was way beyond the capability of the system. >> would it have changed the pressure, at least in the early moments? would it have helped at all? >> it would have. in the early moments there was enough pressure. we had enough water at the beginning of this fire when they first engaged. when the fire first started, they had plenty of pressure. but as more fire companies rolled in, we sucked it dry. >> yeah, i know you guys are going to be doing your own internal damage assessments to see what you could do better the next time around, because unfortunately, you know, there's always the next time around. yeah. what what would be the recommendation of the fire department for how to do better next time? >> there's always lessons to be learned and gleaned from these types of situations. and the

only thing i can say is that our command and control on this incident was outstanding, that we had chiefs that showed leadership came in here and positioned people and did their darndest. our firefighters put their effort, their last sweat and heart into saving this community, and we were just unsuccessful. we don't like to lose. we are very competitive by nature as firefighters. but this thing kicked our butt. >> and you got to feel for all the men and women who came out in the moments to fight these flames, the ones that are still working on, on very little sleep, and all the crews from around the state that have shown up, you know, even the planes from canada. but is there, is there something that that can happen next time? should there? do you need more firefighters? do you need more resources? >> you can you could have had an army of firefighters here to

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in the highlands, where the fire started, and was expecting to see that their house, like everybody else's, was gone, but instead found that his house was okay. joining us now, pacific palisades resident and evacuee and my friend jed weitzman. jed, thanks for being with us. i said before the break that it might not be such a good thing to find. your home is the only one standing and not. and i don't mean that. i mean, obviously everyone wants their home standing. you can go back and get your memories and get your things, but there's nothing left around it. so. so how do you feel? i mean, do you want to move back? i mean, that's do you want to be there? >> you know, i the fact that i can go back and pick up things that i forgot, you know, that i didn't get all my, you know, my daughter's dance team jacket or her, you know, her, whatever. it's just the fact that i can go back there and do that is a

blessing. and the fact that it's still standing is we are beyond lucky. and a lot of my neighbors, that's not the case. so do i want to go back there today? >> yeah. >> i don't know, katie. i've been so crazed after what happened on tuesday, we saw the fire start. my wife came downstairs. i was on a zoom for work and said, there's a fire. and i said, guys, excuse me, i'm going to jump off. and we watched it all day. we got caught in the, you know, the traffic from the cars that were abandoned there. so we couldn't get out. thank god my parents were able to pick up my daughters at school. but you know, the one thing i must say about going back and that is concerns me the most are the kids and the families that haven't seen this yet. the sheer destruction of the whole thing. and that is what i'm really concerned about. you know, everybody's spread out all over la and orange county and hotels

and hearing about their homes and how it's all destroyed. and when they get back, it's going to be a big, big emotional ask me. it's just it's yeah, i hope i'm answering your question. i don't even know anymore. yeah. do i want to go back? >> yes. an emotional. >> it's crazy. yeah. >> yeah, i think i would struggle with that. i called it an emotional bomb when everybody comes back, because you're going to have so many people experiencing trauma at the same time. it might be nice to be amongst others who understand what you're going through, but you have to imagine that a lot of the, you know, the insular little communities around here are made up of friends and families. they're going to they're going to get broken up, and that's going to be a hard thing to recover from. every one of my girls has been with time, lost their houses, you know. >> so yeah, it's awful. >> i've been bad at time management today, so i have to i have to cut this short. jed weitzman, thank you very much for joining us. and there's one other thing i want to show you before we go. and if you're familiar with this part of town, you'll know the real end. here

is what the real end looked like before the fires came through. this is a beloved seafood shack. the goodyear shrimp known exactly for that. those funny signs. here's what i was able to see of it today. this is why this fire was so cruel and so unbelievably devastating. was not just that it burned homes and destroyed livelihoods. it also, as we've been talking about, burnt communities, burnt institutions, burnt gathering places, burnt touch points. one of those was the real end. if you are from southern california, even if you visited southern california and you've driven along pch from l.a. to malibu, you would have known the real end because they had the funniest fish puns, a little fish shack, but on the sign outside and everyone would see it as you drive by. there were just a daily. it was. there was a daily pun fish. you were here. cod bless america. the electric light orchestra, they were

great. and even if you never went in there, you smiled when you drove by. the owners say everybody made it out safe. they're all okay. everyone is obviously very devastated. but there there is a gofundme right now raising money to try to rebuild. i do hope it comes back. that's going to do it for me today. deadline. white house picks up our coverage now. >> hi there everyone. it's 4:00 in new york and it is official history will show that today donald j. trump, the former and future president of these great united states, became the first american president to hold the title of convicted felon, the first american president, as the new york times reports, to, quote, carry that distinction into the white house. >> end quote. >> we are, of