light orchestra, they were great. and even if you never went in there, you smiled when you drove by. the owners say everybody made it out safe. they're all okay. everyone is obviously very devastated. but there there is a gofundme right now raising money to try to rebuild. i do hope it comes back. that's going to do it for me today. deadline. white house picks up our coverage now. >> hi there everyone. it's 4:00 in new york and it is official history will show that today donald j. trump, the former and future president of these great united states, became the first american president to hold the title of convicted felon, the first american president, as the new york times reports, to, quote, carry that distinction into the white house.

>> end quote. >> we are, of course, talking about the long delayed sentencing in donald trump's election interference case. last spring, a jury of his peers unanimously found donald trump guilty of 34 felony counts. and this morning, in a brief but remarkable hearing, judge juan merchan imposed a sentence of so-called unconditional discharge. that means no jail time, no fine, but a sentence that formalizes a place in history for donald trump that no american president has ever gone before. the no american president has ever wanted before a convicted felon. for six weeks while donald trump's trial was underway, there were no cameras in the courtroom. there was no audio equipment allowed in the courtroom for any of the proceedings. all that changed today, and for the first time in this hugely consequential historic case, we, the american people, could hear with our own ears how the rule of law played

out. and because of that, it is important today at least, to listen. this is what it sounds like when a once and future president of the united states of america is informed by the court clerk, just like any other criminal defendant would be, what his rights are cannot come before the court for sentence on conviction by trial to 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree before being sentenced. >> the court will allow you, your attorney and the assistant district attorney an opportunity to address the court with any matters relevant to sentencing. >> and this is one of the lead prosecutors in court today laying out why this matters, why it is so important that the unanimous conviction by a jury of donald trump's peers be upheld, if for no other reason than to preserve the rule of law in america. >> the verdict in this case was unanimous and decisive, and it

must be respected, as this court has observed, quote, the sanctity of a jury verdict and the deference that must be accorded to it is a bedrock principle in our nation's jurisprudence. the defendant's conduct before, during and after this trial also merits consideration. instead of preserving, protecting, and defending our constitutionally established system of criminal justice, the defendant, the once and future president of the united states, has engaged in a coordinated campaign to undermine its legitimacy. far from expressing any kind of remorse for his criminal conduct, the defendant has purposefully bred disdain for our judicial institutions and the rule of law. and he's done this to serve his own ends and to encourage others to reject

the jury verdict that he finds so distasteful. he has characterized these proceedings as corrupt, rigged witch hunt, or a sham too many times to tabulate. he has been unrelenting in his unsubstantiated attacks upon this court and its family, individual prosecutors and their families, the witnesses, the grand jury, the trial jury, and the justice system as a whole. as this court has noted, the defendant's conduct, quote, constitutes a direct attack on the rule of law itself. moreover, the defendant has publicly threatened to retaliate against the prosecutors who have sought to hold him accountable in this and other matters, and the courts, who have endeavored to fairly and faithfully adjudicate these matters. such threats are designed to have a chilling effect to intimidate those who have the

responsibility to enforce our laws, in the hopes that they will ignore the defendant's transgressions, because they fear that he is simply too powerful to be subjected to the same rule of law as the rest of us. put simply, this defendant has caused enduring damage to the public perception of the criminal justice system and has placed officers of the court in harm's way. >> enduring damage. >> this is judge juan merchan. judge juan merchan is a judge who has been systematically, almost since the beginning, singled out, maligned and threatened. he has seen his family, his daughter, maligned and threatened. this is him in his own words today, explaining the sentence and speaking directly to the defendant and now convicted felon donald trump. >> never before has this court been presented with such a unique and remarkable set of

circumstances. indeed, it can be viewed fairly that this has been a truly extraordinary case. there was unprecedented media attention, public interest and heightened security involving various agencies. and yet the trial was a bit of a paradox, because once the courtroom doors were closed, the trial itself was no more special, unique or extraordinary than the other 32 criminal trials that took place in this courthouse at the same exact time, the same burden of proof was applied and the jury, made up of ordinary citizens, delivered a verdict. and it was all conducted pursuant to the rules of procedure and guided by the law. so while one can argue that the trial itself was in many respects somewhat ordinary, the same cannot be said about the circumstances surrounding this sentencing, and that is because of the office you once occupied in which you will soon

occupy again. to be sure, it is the legal protections afforded to the office of the president of the united states that are extraordinary, not the occupant of the office. despite the extraordinary breadth of those protections, one power they do not provide is the power to erase a jury verdict. it is clear from legal precedent which until july 1st was scarce, that donald trump, the ordinary citizen, donald trump, the criminal defendant, would not be entitled to such considerable protections. this court has determined that the only lawful sentence that permits entry of a judgment of conviction without encroaching upon the highest office in the land, is an unconditional discharge. therefore, at this time i impose that sentence to cover all 34 counts. sir, i wish you godspeed

as you assume your second term in office. thank you. >> i wish you godspeed on your second term. words that speak not just to this moment, to this judge's character, this judge's professionalism and patriotism, words that fly in the face of the smears donald trump and his allies have sought to perpetuate about him on a near-daily basis. it is a day of great import for the rule of law and this great nation. it is where we start today with some of our most favorite reporters and friends with me at the table. new york times investigative reporter, author of lucky loser. susanne craig is here. she was inside the courtroom for today's sentencing. we're also joined by msnbc legal analyst, former top official at the department of justice, andrew weissman is here. the reverend al sharpton joins us. he's the president of the national action network, the host of msnbc's politics nation. here at the table with us, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard is here. vaughn hillyard, i start with you.

>> everything about what happened today was something that trump sought to off ramp himself from. >> he sought to delay the trial, had some success. it was delayed, but it happened. sought to have the incoming deputy attorney general of the united states. i think todd blanch, his criminal defense attorney, have it thrown out before, during and after he did not succeed. there were efforts to shape the outcome as it was ongoing. there were efforts to intimidate at least some of the witnesses while it was ongoing. there was an extraordinary intervention by the united states supreme court, including by four of them yesterday. donald trump didn't want what happened today to happen, and it did. >> the supreme court last night, justice amy coney barrett, justice john roberts they did not intervene and stop today from taking place. and i think when we take a step back in american history and look at that decision last night to not intervene, it allowed this process to take place, not just for us to all look back at the

actual verdict that this jury made and the sentencing, but also the message it sends to donald trump ten days before he is about to go back into the white house, into future presidents of the united states. over those seven weeks, we all listened to testimony from these witnesses inside of that courtroom that testified that donald trump, in the lead up to the 2016 election, attempted to improperly influence the outcome. and he won that election. but then we also heard testimony that while he was in the white house, he, with michael cohen went and falsifying business records. they had a meeting at the oval office in february of 2017, and he went and put his name on checks that served as hush money payment to stormy daniels. and coming off of the supreme court decision here this summer, there are serious questions about the repercussions that would have if donald trump were to win this november election. it would have in 2025 to 2028. i think today was a statement that donald trump or any political candidate during your run for the

presidency and while you are in the white house, while your official acts may be protected, a decision is made in there are consequences. you can still walk away out of a courtroom being a convicted felon. i think today's sentencing and seeing this process to its end, he has the opportunity to appeal. but i think that this is a statement not just about donald trump, but also the presidency for generations to potentially come. >> you were there. >> tell us what it was like. >> well, i was just thinking about just preserving history. it's kind of an overused statement. and we report on history every day. but today was about actually preserving it and the gravity. you felt it in the room, but it was you also felt it was interesting just seeing each side and how frustrated all of them were really came out. and i was really glad that you played a lot of the audio, and that we actually have the audio available for people to listen to. that was a first, but there was a lot of frustration, and i don't i think a lot of people were saying even today might not have happened. there was there's questions about whether it would up until last night, but also there was questions about should the manhattan da in september

have have said, yeah, okay, we'll put it off until until later. maybe it should have gone ahead then and then for the judge to do this, i think it was very important for him to preserve it. but one one other thing that really came through and just reflecting on the judge's words and what he said as i was leaving the courtroom, this was about the office of the president today, donald trump. and he said it was he said, donald trump, the ordinary citizen, donald trump, the criminal defendant, would not be entitled to the protections of the presidency. but it was the office today that shielded him. and this is not only a distinction that will now carry him into the white house. it is a stain. and that is now for the record. and it's been it's in the record and it's there. he can appeal it. but he made it official. yeah. >> your thoughts in some ways this is a great day. and in many ways it is just an incredibly sad day for the country. and i think a great day is that it happened. is that is that in

spite of enormous adversity, a credit to alvin bragg, a credit to judge merchan, to the prosecution, to the jurors, to the witnesses that this happened and to all of the lawyers, the defense lawyers and the prosecutors on that, on the case. and a credit to the supreme court last night, at least five of the justices saying he's going to be treated like everyone else, which is that, you know what? it's this is not alice in wonderland. everyone, you go through the trial, you get sentenced, and then you appeal, not in any other order. so that's all the good news. the bad news is, is when prosecutors steinglass said the defendant, the once and future president that what that signals about this country, what it signals to the rest of the world in terms of who we are, in terms of the rule of law in this country. the sentence was obviously not the sentence that donald trump deserved. but for

winning the election, many people are looking at this thinking it's not really justice by putting this off, by having it sentenced. now he got away with it and he, you know, the judge made it perfectly clear that it was only because of the presidency, not donald trump, that he was getting this. and all of that is an undermining of the rule of law. it's an undermining of who we think we are in this country, but also in the rest of the world, which i think is going to have lasting damage. >> vaughn, during the trial as a criminal defendant, one of the things donald trump did was to recirculate a social media post of a baseball bat at the head of alvin bragg. now that he is the president elect of the united states of america, and something that displeases him has come to pass, what threats would you suggest we gird ourselves for everyone involved in this process? >> he had suggested that there

would be protests in the streets back in march of 2023 if he was indicted. we didn't see that happen. and i think that that is one important part of this is that while a plurality of americans did vote him into office, donald trump has tried to wield influence and power over not just those closest to him. we saw that in testimony from hope hicks, from michael cohen. they put out a statement there right before the 2016 election that there was no knowledge about the payments to karen mcdougal or stormy daniels. of course, we know that's false. so we know on the public record now that donald trump is willing to lie in order for his personal gain. but in terms of the threats made to district attorney, bragg made to judge merchan made to these others. jack smith i think that a moving back to washington, d.c. next week and i'll be covering all of this up close from down there. and i think that we have seen a willingness over the last two years for donald trump. effectively, we should note, effectively be able to go and undermine the credibility of politicians. liz

cheney, jack smith, district attorney bragg, fani willis. and that's not to say that there's some legitimate questions sometimes about individuals. that's how this process plays out. but i think donald trump in these last two years was successful in many cases in smearing the names of some of these public servants who were not worthy of those smears. and of course, not for everybody in america. but we're talking about millions. and i think that there's a question as to what extent do republicans on capitol hill does the department of justice, people like todd blanch, who and emil bove, they're going to be the number two and number three at the department of justice. the two men who were there representing him today, to what extent do they stand up and defend the justice system, the judges and the prosecutors against those smears? i'm not sure. we didn't see much resistance the last few years, but when donald trump is in power within the biggest office, what does that look like? >> because in part of your new assignment, you have other duties, reporting duties. so we're going to let you go. thank you for starting us off this hour. and keep your dance card

free between 4 and 6 every day from down there. my friend, i want to bring you in on this because i think that vaughn is putting his finger on why this matters to every american piece of this, right? because i think in the credibility piece, if you're a donald trump fan, you've heard him smear all of the parties now for years and years and years, including michael cohen, including stormy daniels, including the witnesses who the jury was able to hear from, you know, firsthand in the courtroom in that way. and i love that. judge mershon said. there were 32 other trials going on at the same time. this was like similar to all of those. but there is a very real populating of the department of justice with criminal defense attorneys who they didn't quit when he threatened juan merchan. they didn't walk away from the case when he circulated a picture of a bat held against the head of alvin bragg. and there are instances of tragic and dear friend of this program.

mr. salas had an assassin show up at her home and murder her son. there have been threats levied against judges appointed by democratic and republican presidents. and all of it is ghastly and ghoulish and horrific sign of a growing amount of people who tolerate and traffic in threats of and acts of political violence. but to see all these people go into positions of extraordinary power, i mean, to be the attorney general, the deputy attorney general, and the fbi director, and to have not only agreed with trump's imagery and dissemination of images of violence, but to have not walked away from someone who tolerates political violence and helps normalize it, is an ominous sign for what's about to happen in ten days. >> it is a very ominous sign, and it is very it's scary, frankly, because these people will be in charge and they have a man who is vindictive, who has

said he's going after his political enemies and others and has no boundaries. the good news was, and i was pleasantly surprised to see justices roberts and barrett stand up and block that happening. in this case, i think that the breath of fresh air we had is a supreme court that he felt. i put three of y'all there. they were already two conservatives. this is not going to happen. and i'm i'm sure he was stunned that they didn't. and i think it's going to come down to people showing us who they really are. are they in position for the country and to uphold the law, or are they in there to bow to donald trump? the other problem he has is this is he can appeal it, but this is a state conviction. he can't pardon himself. this is not a federal conviction. so he can't pardon himself. he's going to pardon scores if not hundreds of people

that rioted and hurt people. he's showing the world who they are. and i guess the minister side of me looks at the whole world, looked at america at its best yesterday as we paid homage to a president that rose from poverty, that rose from a peanut farmer to becoming president of the united states, and then a servant of the people. you have another president a day later that did the opposite, born to wealth, and went to the gutter and is trying to take the country with him. >> that's such an amazing frame. i the only place. and this is why you're so much savvier than i am. i'm shocked that for supreme court justices thought today shouldn't happen. i mean, i agree with you. the news is, is that two didn't, but that we've so normalized the idea that anyone would. i mean, i think that's a very, very ominous way to start a second trump term. >> i said exactly that last night, which was that the well,

the supreme court decision, you know, should have come out the way it did, that the bad news is that it should have been nine zero. yeah. that just so everyone understands the normal process for any defendant is you go to trial, you get all of the rights that donald trump had, and if you're convicted, you then have the sentencing and then you get to appeal. and if you imagine if you manage to get a court of appeals to say there was an error, so be it. it goes back for a retrial. but that's the normal order. and donald trump was saying, i'm special. i shouldn't have to be sentenced. and there are thousands of people and all sorts of communities that are treated that way. and it was great that the supreme court said that, but it should have been nine zero. >> i just want to say the one thing that i thought when i heard about the supreme court's decision was if judge marchant had not signaled that there would be no jail time, i think it could have gone the other

way. i think the fact that he did that allowed them to do it. i just want to put some measure and how we're viewing the supreme court. >> and to me, that's the moving of the overton window. right? we only got this, you know, squeaker majority because of that, of that. >> all right. >> no one's going anywhere. we'll have much more coverage on today's historic events. >> also ahead for us this hour, after four long and agonizing, tragic days for the residents of our country's second largest city, the la fires are starting to be somewhat contained. >> we'll get a check on how things are going on the ground, as thousands and thousands of structures still remain threatened by the raging fires. and later in the broadcast, we'll continue to dig into america's judicial system, a system that has had to grapple with the defendant, who's also the president elect of the united states of america. what that means going forward in his new administration, which starts in ten days. all those stories and more when deadline white and more when deadline white ht-mobile's 5g network connects a hundred thousand delta employees

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at today's sentencing of donald j. trump, the former and future president, now officially a convicted felon. we're back with sue andrew and the rev sue. you are aware in many ways, as a journalist covering what is sort of trump's rawest nerve, you know, his wealth and how he got elected the first time, the help he needed, the stories he suppressed. you're aware of the sense of sensitivities he has very personally about those issues. we're heading into a week where senators will be asked to confirm picks who are very much aligned with retribution. and i wonder if in your in your opinion and in your estimation, there's anything that will be more eager to seek revenge over than this brand of that of a convicted felon. >> i think it's going to be this kind of stuff. and vaughn was talking about that earlier, and even in his fundraising notes this morning, he called judge merchan, acting judge marchand, we are going to continue to see, i think, the sort of

retribution, but it's going to be, i would imagine, stepped up. once he gets the levers of power. things like irs audits are going to be possible. other legal avenues that i would imagine that he's going to take. i think we're going to see a whole kind of just separate, almost apartment running about revenge. you know, he he always talks about how the deep state exists and how, you know, the democrats have used the justice department to go after and to weaponize it against him. and it's exactly what he's going to be doing, whether or not what he claims is true. they are going to be using it and they're going to be weaponizing it. i would expect it, and i'm kind of bracing for it. >> i mean, that is what makes this audio all the more extraordinary. these weren't people running around with 80. i mean, i hope they have all the security they they need and that the threat environment would justify. but these are people doing their jobs. and again, i'm so struck that judge marshall pointed out there were 32 other trials that took place the week of trump's under extraordinary

circumstances. and what makes their place in history permanent is that so few other people are willing to just do their jobs. >> i think that is going to be to pick up what you're saying and your comment. this is going to be a test of people's backbone in the next four years, and the people who are just willing to do their jobs. let's just start with the courts, because a lot of this will be sort of legal retribution. and i think you're going to see various judges in the lower courts, like a judge merchan like the judge in d.c. doing their job. and i think you're going to be seeing increasing tension with the supreme court. and in terms of what happens, and obviously the courts are going to become more and more conservative because of trump's. you know, what happens with an election is you're entitled to

appoint people. but i think you're going to see people who are way outside the norm, like judge cannon. and i think that's one place. but i do think that for the people at the department of justice, the people and state courts, i think that for poll workers like the ruby, the next ruby freeman and seamus, there are a lot of people in this country who i think will show more backbone than we're going to see from people in congress. and that's where i think if you have any sort of hope, it's going to be when you heard the audio today and you have the nameless probation officer, you have the judge speaking out, you have the prosecutors. there are a lot of people like that in this country who believe in the rule of law, who believe in fairness and decency, but it's going to require a backbone. >> i think for decades, republicans have used the issue of the supreme court as a political mobilizer. i think there was a lot of thought among

democrats that the tide had turned, and that the dobbs decision and the and the appearance of extreme eagerness to aid donald trump as almost a patron, as well as some of the reporting around justice alito's association and his homes. associations with flags also flown around the capitol on january 6th might create some sort of watershed moment politically for democrats on the court. obviously, it didn't happen. trump won. but i think decisions that are extremely conservative, that is what happens, not to the degree that they've happened now, though. i mean, roe is decided with justices appointed by democratic and republican presidents, but you now have a court that on the precipice of trump being sworn in, has granted him something no american president has ever had. and that is absolute immunity. what do you think of the issue of the court and the promises of retribution and the reliance we now have on ordinary public servants, none of whom make more than $150,000 a year to save the

country from the all powerful justices of the supreme court. >> i think that what we're going to see is probably the best example of self-destruction, because i think that donald trump has gotten away with all that you named, and i think he's going to abuse it to where even his own crowd is going to turn on him. he will give tax breaks to the wealthy, and they will find out they will pay for it out of their entitlement programs and out of other. he will not be able to deliver what he has said, and it's going to be like the wizard of oz. they're going to look behind the curtain and they're going to find out the emperor had no clothes. and it the suffering in between is what concerns me, because people will be targeted. many of us will be facing whatever i've seen alvin bragg and them have to do. he has children, he teaches sunday school. he has to bring this detail to church with him. we're going to have to go through the

rough time. but in the end, i have to believe that right's going to overpower wrong, and donald trump will be donald trump, which will be his destruction. he is self destructive. he cannot help it. and i think that that is what we're going to see. i don't think that we should get out of character and behave like him, stoop to his level at all. we should maintain, as judge marchant did today, a dignity that people will seek when they see how low he can go. >> well, i was going to say the other thing, though, i think that we should be looking for and i think is real, is when the rule of law will be used. he's not going to come to new york, he's going to go to florida. and when other things happened, a lot of it will be in the shadows. and i think that that should concern us all. i think we have to look for the weak spots, and that's where they're going to go exactly. >> against journalists, against prosecutors. >> and we're not always it's not always going to be obvious. it's not always going to be a lawsuit filed in new york state. it's

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got caught. and the reason i came back today is that the power is turned off or for the water. and so i brought my associate, jason, who is a marine, brought him up, and we spent about three hours going to the pool, buckets, dumping water on the roof and on the sides. and because not just to save my house, but it's my neighbor's house beneath me. and, you know, we just had to do it. i'd be up there. everyone up here is doing a great job. i've been talking with lapd, la firefighter. they're doing everything they can, but it's a war zone. >> it's a war zone. in that war zone for us once again. my friend and colleague, nbc's jacob soboroff in pacific palisades, california. for us, he's been checking on some members of this community he knows so well, jacob, as i've asked you to do every day, just tell me what you're seeing and learning and who you're talking

to today. >> nicole, so often we talk about in these situations about how important it is to look for the helpers, the people who come in from these fire departments, from these mutual aid responses, from the local law enforcement, from people like jose andres, from world central kitchen, who we just saw in the last hour with katy tur. but there are helpers in this community, and i know it because i'm a native son of pacific palisades, who have been here to help the members of this community live their lives on a daily basis. for as long as i've been here. i remember talking to you yesterday about the workers and how important it is and how vital i believe it is to tell their part of the story about how the people who don't lay their heads here are also equal parts of the community, in equal measure to everyone that that that calls pacific palisades home. and so one of those people that i want to introduce you to is ali fuentes. he has been a server at cafe

vida, a local establishment here for over a decade. but he's worked in town for 34 years. i first met him when i was seven years old at mort's deli, a deli on swarthmore, which no longer exists. but he decided to stick around in town because of his relationships with the families. and so i invited him to come back today to take him to the restaurant that is so beloved to him and so many people in this community. i want to just show you a little bit of what he found when we went there earlier today together. take a look. >> i remember i took a picture of ben and james, my very good customers, and i gave him a hat that says from oaxaca, and i took a picture with them, not knowing that it was going to be the last picture. >> me with my customers. >> it's so hard. >> it's just so hard to digest

all this. >> but, but we stood on our feet. we stood on our feet. >> and we're going to come back. >> we have to come back with with more love. we have to come back. because this week, again, like i said before, we can't let this beautiful village disappear. no way. yeah, i'm here and i promise i'll be here. i promise i'll be here. you know i'll be here. yeah. because i don't see myself finishing. finishing my days of work somewhere else. >> wow. >> i love that guy. i love that guy. and there. nicole, there are so many people like him in this community that are so representative of, of the relationship that the people who make this community go and the people who live here, what it means to pacific palisades.

next, i want to introduce you to one more person who knows alby well. his name is jake levine. jake is a longtime friend of mine. i drove jake. we're not brothers. despite. despite the fact that we might look a lot alike, i drove, i drove jake nicole in high school carpool. and we've known each other since we were in hebrew school here. when? when we were younger. and jake is also a member of the biden administration. he works in the white house. he's not here in that capacity. he's here in his personal capacity today. and, jake, you lost your your mom's house. you you grew up in the palisades, your mom's house is no longer here. first. how are you doing? it's unimaginable to go through something like this. the pain is indescribable. i think, you know, i was up here yesterday. i saw the damage. it didn't really break me open until this morning. when you realize that so many other

families, you begin to understand the scale, the magnitude of this absolute devastation. just a mile down from my mom's house, i went over to my aunt and uncle's. >> they lost everything as well. >> and that pain is going to take a lot of time to grieve. i also, at the same time am feeling an incredible gratitude that we are so fortunate to have been palisadians to still be palisadians. as alby said, i love that that segment that you just did and thank you for your reporting. it's just been incredible and touching. we have to rebuild. we're going to rebuild the people, the community of the palisades. they give each other so much love. they have been doing that for decades and decades and decades. as soon as my family got here in 1979, my uncle, my mom came later in the 90s. this is a community that cares about each

other, that pours love on each other. and it is that kind of love and gratitude that gives me hope that even as we try to dig out of this, of this unimaginable loss, we're going to be able to do it. we're going to be able to survive and persevere. i know you're here in your in your personal capacity, but it's not lost on me that you're a member of the biden administration and work in the white house. and we heard the president say that the federal government was going to commit resources for six months to the rebuilding of this fire. but it feels like this is going to take so much longer than that. yeah. i mean, look, i don't have to tell you, you've been reporting on this. kids are without schools. every school in this neighborhood is gone. palisades high school, marquez village school, every school, elementary school, middle school, high school. people are without homes. they have to come back. this is going to be a years long process to rebuild. and i think the thing that i'm asking myself is, how can we be involved to

put people first, to put families first, to put this community first, to rebuild in a way that reflects the nature, the character, the strength of this people so that we can continue on. and that's going to be a process it's going to take. and i know, nicole, that this guy is going to be a part of it, whatever that looks like. he comes from a family of people that serve. he's got a big heart, as do so many people in this community, and i'm proud to be here with him. and i'm so grateful to you for shining a spotlight on our community over the last four days. thank you. >> well, i feel like alby just gave us a mission statement. right? we're still on our feet. yeah, i feel like we have to do something with that. i want to ask you quickly what alby's plan is. obviously, people have lost their homes and you've brought that to life. but for people who've lost their jobs, what what resources are there for folks like alby?

>> jake and i were just here, actually, as alby met jose andres in the last hour as he was coming away from this camera, as he was talking to katy tur. and we were all talking about that, about how important it is for the workers of this community to find a job. and so often jake knows this. they get overlooked. and so alby's already on the hunt for whatever it is he's going to do next. he wanted me to make sure everybody knew you heard it. how grateful he is to his bosses in this community and the people of this community. but ultimately, until the palisades is up and running, he needs to look for another job. and so anybody out there, you know, i just want to i want to share this message that the workers of the palisades, the people that made this place go the alby's don't know what they're going to do next, just like the people who just like people like jake and jake's mom and the rest of jake's family. my brother who lost the home that he lives in, they don't know. and this was going to be a one day at a time process. but anybody who has the means to help, please do.

>> all right. we're going to keep turning to you, jacob, to bring us these stories and bring us this vital reporting. thank you so much to both of you for taking the time to talk to us. thank you. thanks. thanks. thanks, jake, for another break for us. when we come back, we'll have a chance to speak with the congresswoman from the area who represents one community that is right now surrounded by fire. talk to her about how they're preparing for what could still be ahead for residents there. don't go anywhere. >> donald trump plans to reshape the u.s. government as we know it. >> democrats have wasted no time in laying the groundwork to fight the incoming trump administration. >> the conversation right now is like, oh, we have to win back working class voters. but who are people talking about? >> it's no surprise that this is a time of reflection and reassessment for democrats. >> donald trump wants a presidential cabinet full of loyalists that are going to push through his extreme agenda. through his extreme agenda. >> don't miss the weeke it's time to feed the dogs real food in the right amount.

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of california. parts of her district have been under mandatory evacuation. congresswoman, thank you so much for being here. tell us how your constituents are doing and what it is you need from the federal government and from the general public wanting to help. >> thank you. well, first of all, my constituents are heartbroken. >> they're heartbroken seeing the same images that you're seeing of people who have lost everything. people have lost their homes, their businesses, and in some cases, their lives. >> so the whole community is grieving and no one is sleeping. >> well, we're still not out of the woods. we still have huge fire risk because of the drought conditions and the wind is picking up. >> so we have fires, as you said, in the station break ringing our communities. and so people are very nervous and they're very on edge. and now the task is to make sure that we keep everyone safe for now. at some point we'll be assessing the damage, of course, and my

job is to help get relief to the people who need it, namely our first responders at the moment and soon. to all of those people who had terrible losses. congresswoman, can you explain the santa ana winds? i mean, i think people have more familiarity with the hurricane season than they do with the winds, which, you know, even if they go down to the point where they can get aircraft in the sky to fight the flames, it just takes one ember, as every californian knows so well to, to do more damage. just explain how long it will be before you really exhale and your constituents really feel like they can. as you said, sleep at night. >> so i've lived in los angeles since 1992 and i have never seen one like this. i've lived here for dozens of years, and many of us have said the same thing over the last few days. we've experienced santa ana as we experience them every year, and this is when the winds shift from coming in from the ocean

from the west to coming across the deserts from the east, and they can be fierce. you know, we get a lot of fierce santa ana winds that will blow trees around, knock things over. but this time we had winds that were up to 100 miles an hour. we had hurricane force winds. now it's january. >> and normally when we get the santa ana's in this time of year, we've also had quite a bit of rain. >> we're supposed to be in the rainy season right now, but we haven't had rain in southern california for months and it is dry as a bone out and there's very little humidity in the air. and that means that you take those windy conditions with with a tinderbox conditions, and you set the stage for the kind of disaster that we saw. >> we're seeing a lot of stories of neighbors helping neighbors. i know the pasadena humane society has taken in. i think yesterday it was about 300. by this morning it was almost 400 animals. there are people who woke up tuesday morning with lots of things on their mind. maybe back to school, post

holiday resolutions, whatever. now they have no schools or no homes. how are neighboring communities helping those who've lost everything, including schools, if they have school age kids? >> you know, it's ironic because this disaster is showing the worst that nature can do, but it's also showing the best that people can do all at the same time. and this shows why we're proud to be los angeles. >> and while we're proud to be californians and i think why we're proud to be americans, because in tough times we do pull together and people are really pulling together. >> we have had dozens, i mean, probably hundreds of people reach out directly to me and my office saying, i have an extra guest room, i have an adu, send someone to me who's displaced, send me someone who's an evacuee, and i will put them up, and i will feed them and keep them safe and warm. we have community groups who are trying to find long term housing for people who are displaced. we, of course, have shelters open, and we have so many volunteers

coming in to help and so many people sending food and blankets, toys, everything that they think people need. yesterday i was at the equestrian center here in los angeles, in burbank, in my district, and there are dozens of people there taking care of the hundreds of horses that have been evacuated from surrounding areas. some of them found just roaming around, running terrified through burning neighborhoods. we have hay coming in from across the state of california. >> it's pretty exceptional. we will, if you share with our team any information about resources. we will gladly help communicate with any viewers of our program. how people can help. congresswoman laura friedman, we know you have a lot of demands on your time. thank you for taking some of it to talk to us. please stay safe. >> thank you for your interest. >> thank you. still ahead for us? what the convicted felon label means to donald trump and his new administration. the next his new administration. the next hour of deadline, white what the biggest companies deliver is an exceptional customer experience.

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i could have told you that. >> this court has determined that the only lawful sentence that permits entry of a judgment of conviction, without encroaching upon the highest office in the land is an unconditional discharge, which the new york state legislature has determined is a lawful and permissible sentence for the crime of falsifying business records in the first degree. >> hi again everybody. it's now 5:00 in new york, donald j. trump may now carry the distinction of being a convicted felon, and will be the first u.s. president to hold such a title. but today's sentencing and his hush money election interference case, at its core, lacks the kind of accountability that would have come to pass for just about anyone else living in this country, because trump will face no prison time or any other penalty for his 34 felony

counts. over the years, we have seen trump, chip and chip and continue to chip away at the nation's rule of law and institutions, and on most accounts, succeed in fighting any attempt to hold him accountable for his actions. damaging our justice system has long term consequences. the prosecution in today's hearing addressed that. here's joshua steinglass. >> far from expressing any kind of remorse for his criminal conduct, the defendant has purposefully bred disdain for our judicial institutions and the rule of law. and he's done this to serve his own ends and to encourage others to reject the jury verdict that he finds so distasteful. he has been unrelenting in his unsubstantiated attacks upon this court and its family, individual prosecutors and their families, the witnesses, the grand jury, the trial jury, and the justice system as a whole.

put simply, this defendant has caused enduring damage to the public perception of the criminal justice system and has placed officers of the court in harm's way. >> what makes american democracy work is the upholding of norms and the idea. and it's just an idea that no one person is above the law. and yet, in the time of trump, for every step forward to reinforcing that idea and upholding the rule of law and justice, there have always been at least one, in some cases many steps in the other direction. the wrong one. we saw the supreme court yesterday reject donald trump's efforts to stop the sentencing from taking place at all, but it was far from a unanimous decision. there were four justices who were ready to say, yeah, yeah, let's do this. they ready to give trump exactly what he wanted. and he hasn't even been sworn in yet.

and we won't forget that. that same court just months ago, granted. president granted trump full immunity for official acts. yesterday also saw a federal appeals court say it would not block doj from releasing jack smith's report on donald trump's election interference case, yet trump will still return to the white house and continue his life as president of the united states of america without facing any accountability for his role in inciting a deadly insurrection at the united states capitol on january 6th. in ten days, donald trump will assume the presidency again. he will hold power over all of these institutions. as bill kristol writes in today's bulwark, quote, the current state of play is this first, trump has won the fights he had to win to evade accountability for his lawless actions as president. and after leaving the presidency. second, trump will now have a chance to further nominate a lot more judges in

the mold of judge cannon and justice alito, and the republican senate will confirm them. third, in his next term, donald trump will have immunity for official acts very broadly understood. and because of his willingness to use the pardon power, many of his appointees will have something like de facto immunity from legal accountability. it was nice to see yesterday's minor victories for the rule of law. there will be some future victories, mostly minor ones as well. but we ought to face this fact. we cannot and should not count on the courts to save us an inflection point for the rule of law in the united states of america. as donald trump returns to the presidency. it's where we start the hour with some of our favorite experts and friends. voting rights attorney, founder of the site democracy docket, mark elias is back with me at the table. democratic congressman dan goldman of new york is here. he also served as lead counsel in the first trump impeachment. also joining us at

the table, both fresh from inside that courtroom this morning, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst christi greenberg is back. and bloomberg opinion senior executive editor, msnbc political analyst tim o'brien is here. congressman, your thoughts? >> look, it you can't put him in jail. i get that and i understand why. >> because he is going to be president. >> he needs to be able to serve as president. >> but there are other punishments available. >> and even if you don't want to put him on probation, which i don't see why you wouldn't pay a fine and community service something, something just to show. well, you're convicted now. now, of course, in his mind and in the minds of countries around the world, many of whom either do not allow convicted felons in or make it very difficult for them, he is now and only today, a truly convicted felon. but i just want to make one comment on on what

you were talking about. i felt so well about the rule of law and bill kristol, too, and i certainly talked about it. many democrats talked about this in the lead up to the election, and it did not win the day. and i think part of the reason is it's very hard to imagine what it means. if our rule of law is undermined, it becomes a cliche. democracy becomes a cliche. but if what happens is that donald trump is above the law and donald trump's buddies and cronies are above the law, then you have a system of inequality of the haves and have nots. and that is when democracy breaks down, because you also cannot trust anything else that the rule of law dictates. you can't be sure that it will hold. and that's when our economy blows

up. that's when our capital markets blows up. if our law is not certain, because some people are treated differently and the president who has control over it gets to treat it, be treated differently, then it undermines the credibility and legitimacy of every single law we have, every single case, every single norm, as you said. but but even just laws are not norms. laws are laws. and that is the danger is the slippery slope. and that's the danger of some of these appointees who are there because they're promising to undermine the rule of law. >> marc elias, i wanted to talk to you about all of this for a long time. your thoughts? >> yeah. look, i think for people who think the glass is either full or half full, i think it's mostly empty. i mean, the fact is, the people who have been saying that no one is above the law.

>> that turned out not to be true. you know, everyone who believed that everyone stands to the bar of justice equally. >> that turned out not to be true. the fact is, we have to admit that the justice system failed here. >> i mean, donald trump committed serious crimes. and, you know, in federal court, those wound up being stalemated in state court. >> he wound up going to a jury trial and being convicted. >> and as congressman golden just said, goldman just said he he didn't have to just face incarceration. >> he, you know, he could have paid a fine. >> he could have been under probation. >> he could have been something. >> and when you look at the supreme court decision last night, i know that there were many on the left who were celebrating it. and, and the concern that they had was that it was five, four. let me tell you what my concern was, nicole. >> my concern is that if you look at the short reason that the five gave for why they were doing this, it's because it wasn't going to be too inconvenient for donald trump. >> the judge had already said he wasn't going to impose any real sentence, you know, and finally, it wasn't going to take too much of donald trump's time. >> i mean, it was everything other than, you know, pay for

his parking and his dry cleaning. >> i mean, there was it was this whole proceeding from start to finish was, how do we make this as as little inconvenience for donald trump as possible and for the prosecutors? >> and, look, i'm you know, i realize i'm second guessing the folks who had to stand up in the courtroom. >> but for the prosecutors to say everything they said, which was great, and then agree, agree that, like, there should be no consequence. >> i mean, let me ask the federal prosecutor sitting at the table, how many times did you guys hear get have someone convicted of a felony? and then allocute that he did nothing wrong was a witch hunt, and along the way be found in contempt and badmouthed the jury process and badmouthed the judge, and the judge is law clerk. how many times did that happen? and a criminal defendant walked out the courthouse door without any penalty? so i realize everyone wants to say this was there's something, you know, justice was done here. there was no justice done. >> so the answer is a whopping zero. >> that never happened to me when i was a prosecutor, nor anybody i know. >> look, i when i walked into that courtroom today, it was such a different feeling. >> the last time i was in that

courtroom, a jury had found him guilty. it was unanimous verdict, and there was such hope in that room that a jury had come to the right conclusion that the trial, the justice system, had worked. >> and finally there was going to be accountability. >> and then walking in today, knowing that he's not even getting a slap on the wrist, there is no punishment. >> and i mean, that was a bit deflating, i will say. and there's i think it is easy to start to feel this kind of hopelessness going into this next term. but the one thing i will say is, i think if there are any guideposts or anybody that we can look to say, what can we do? >> how can we fight back over the next four years? >> i do think it is. judge mershon, there were a number of things he did today that i do think, in their own way were extraordinary. >> first, this is a guy who's getting filings in since donald trump won this election, the filings from his lawyers have been escalating and dangerous. >> reddick's not just saying you're wrong and we're going to appeal you. that's normal.

>> that's what defense attorneys do. >> what he's saying is you are breaking the law. you are acting in a way that is unconstitutional. and as judge mershon said, basically what you're saying is this is criminally punishable. you are trying to threaten me and i'm not going to be intimidated. we're going to go forward. yes, these are small victories, but we are going to continue to have the sentencing. i'm not going to let you dictate to me what the terms in my courtroom are, so that there was some courage there. and i think, you know, as to the fact that he got no sentence. look, i don't agree with it. i. yes, it would be great if he were fined. if there was some punishment, that would be a perfect world. but i think this judge knew and was shrewd enough to know that was never going to happen. this supreme court i was on the show yesterday saying i didn't think this sentencing was going to happen, and there were four justices who were just fine with that. it was a54 decision to let this proceed, and they were very clear in the order. the only reason that it would proceed is because he wasn't going to get sentenced, because he wasn't going to be inconvenienced. is that terrible? yes. is the

american presidency officially a get out of jail free card? yes it is. but on the other hand, what happened today, he cemented they cemented his status as a convicted felon. that's not nothing. and we said that jury verdicts matter, that jury verdict stands. we are going to preserve that. anything donald trump wants to say about the fact that this he was treated unfairly? no. this judge said the trial was fair. the jury verdict is fair. so, you know, the judge showed some determination there, some some shrewdness. and i think those are the lessons to take away. show some courage, show, show that there is some strategy here, you know, try and take the wins, even the small ones, when you can get them. because i do think while this was not a perfect day for democracy, this isn't the punishment that he should have gotten for this crime. it was a small win in some way that that we were able to at least preserve the jury's verdict here. >> tim. >> well, since we're sort of lighting this bonfire on american institutions and norms,

i'll throw more on it. >> you know, i was thinking today how, you know, when kennedy ran, there was this big debate for president in the 1960s that he was a catholic. >> would that get in the way of his presidency? >> and then reagan was the first divorced president, but he got into the white house. and now you have someone who is a convicted sexual abuser. he is twice impeached. he has thumbed his nose at the law, at every social norm imaginable. >> and voters have said, that's okay. >> so in addition to the legal system not holding donald trump fully accountable, american voters have said you can roll like enough. american voters have said you can roll like donald trump rolls. >> you can you can subvert institutions, and you can become an overt and proven threat to democracy. >> populate your administration with cartoon characters, endanger national security, and completely pollute the civic

dialog. >> and you can still be president. and so, as everything in the trump era is, he's a reflection on us as much as he's a reflection of social ills and is who he is. >> let me just i think a jury found him liable for defamation and sexual assault in the jean carroll case. yes. not guilty. and because he's litigious. and let me just let me let me do this. they are getting away with these things because with all deference and respect, they the democrats were outplayed, right? i mean, trump was able to convince enough americans that he was unfairly targeted. and i think there has to be an honest conversation about whether making democracy and the cost of things a choice was the right strategic decision. and i want to bring you in, marc elias, because some of this feels like like the trump story is, to me, the most boring it's been in nine years. i am bored by him.

he will always do the same thing. there are no new trump stories. it's always a grift. why is don junior in greenland? i'm not positive i actually had to google greenland. i'm not super well versed in why he still wants it, but if i had to take a make a bet at a bar and all that was on the table was a pitcher of beer, i bet there was something grifting in there. secret service stated his hotels in scotland. i was never sure why. i don't know the routes to where he was always going, but again, if i had to bet a pitcher of beer, there's usually a grift involved. the impeachment. both of them had serious abuses of power, serious threats to national security. but there's always a disdain and a disgust with american traditions like protecting u.s. national security. the mar-a-lago documents case has, at its core, a complete f-you to any nation's intelligence officials, the men and women who never have streets named after them or schools in any country because they put their lives on the line and their kids go without mothers or fathers because what they do is something trump can't

understand. it's nameless. no one celebrates them. no one throws them parades. so we've always taken this ball of grittiness, of incoherence, of complete ignorance and said, i don't know what to do with it. and i wonder what we do differently now because it hasn't started yet. we have ten days to get our, you know what together. what should we do differently in our conversations about trump? mark. >> yeah. so look, i think the number one, you actually cannot give up on democracy either as an animating principle, certainly as an animating principle and in the appropriate places on messaging. you know, it's very easy to say that the election was lost because of this or because of that. and i've tried to actually, like, dispense that. it wasn't lost because of any one podcast. it wasn't lost because of any one message. it wasn't lost because, sorry, joe rogan concert event that cost this much money. you know, elections are complicated. they are they are confounded by a lot of different variables. number one. but i think to your question about moving forward, you know, i've said we need to build a new opposition movement. you know, it is it it needs to

be grounded in not in slogans and in bumper stickers, but in policies and ideas. a tent that extends from one end of the democratic party to another, where every candidate can win a race, being who they are and what their voters need, but are animated by certain core principles. and one of them is rule of law. like the fact is we are better and different than the other side because we do respect the rule of law. but what it should not be based on is artificial norms. you know, we can't bring norms to a to a trump fight. you know, one of the questions i have is, you know, for jack smith, you know, jack smith apparently decided it would be good form to show donald trump's lawyers the report before he before he released it. well, i can tell you one thing. as someone who is in the crosshairs of john durham, i never got a chance to see john durham's report before he went out and slandered hillary clinton, before he went out and attacked the rest of us. and it was predictable when you gave donald trump the ability to review that report in advance, what was he going to do? he was going to run to court and try to

block it. so, you know, i think we need to build a firm opposition. i'm a big fan of congressman goldman. goldman. he is he is one of the leaders in it. not the only one, but one of them. and we need to be stand up strong against what donald trump is peddling, both as policy but also on issues of democracy. >> yeah. i mean, i have to sneak in a break before before someone pulls my plugs. but i think what you're getting at is the same idea that it's not that the rule of law is something you have to choose over. the daily pain of grocery shopping and affording houses and schools. it's that there isn't a fair system for any of us. if there's a different legal system for just a few of us, and i want to, i want to press you on what that conversation sounds like, because i feel like while trump will control all these levers of power, it's going to be hard to have a lot of faith in the supreme court. you can't have faith that the country doesn't want to live in a system where there's one standard of law for us and another one for elon and, and donald trump and his kids.

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>> let me play the devil's advocate. why doesn't merrick garland release everything that is known in the two congressional criminal investigations into donald trump? so the american people at least know? i mean, if you're right and the country knew all this and they don't care, and you're right, and we're gonna take little tiny victories as signs of hope that something's still working in the justice system. why doesn't merrick garland release everything that's known? and if he's afraid of trump coming after him, biden pardoned him. >> well, because merrick garland believes in the rule of law. >> and there's a court order, though, to merrick garland. >> merrick garland was a judge for 20 years. he is not going to defy a judge's order, no matter how corrupt that judge is. i don't think this is over, but i think we're going to get an appeal and it'll be a it'll be ruled on above aileen cannon. but i also look, i'm willing to get dirty, right? i mean, part of this is that none of this, you know, when they go high, they go low. we go high anymore. that just doesn't it's not

working in the in the trump era. but there are also lines that we will never cross and we should never cross. and frankly, it shouldn't be accepted. not only that, donald trump crosses them, but that every republican member of congress and the senate also crosses them. they have independent oaths and obligations to uphold the constitution. they are not actually just a lackey or a vessel for donald trump. and they need to stand up for our democracy, for the rule of law, because at some point it will he will come after them and it will come after them if they allow it to be undermined and you stop you there real quick. >> they need to stand up for the rule of law. i mean, it's like you've landed on mars after 12 years of being on earth, after 12 years of being hoo hoo. just name one republican who's going to stand up for the rule of law.

name one republican who is going to lay their body down and say, you will not. you cannot confirm kash patel as fbi director. >> but the reason it matters. >> but i'm asking you, do you know of any. >> i don't i mean, i could i could come up with some. i hope they will. they haven't generally they're disappointing. but what i take a little umbrage with is when you said, you know, the democrats got outplayed. and there's certainly some truth to that. but nobody is holding republican members of congress or senators accountable for what they are allowing donald trump to do, and they're now in the majority. so they control everything. they can stop him or they can let him do it. we have very little power. we will use the levers that we do have which do exist, and we will not hesitate to use them. but we, the media, everyone needs to be

putting attention and asking john thune every single day, what do you think about donald trump pardoning the january 6th insurrectionists? do you think that it's okay to pardon somebody who assaulted a police officer? does the republican party actually stand behind law enforcement? if you're going to be mum on donald trump pardoning them, don't ask me that. i can tell you all day long what i think. but no, but you know what i think? and everybody assumes it's what i think. but ultimately, part of the response has to be to put more pressure on the republicans. one of the things that we'll do as as you say, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. donald trump won because he promised the middle class he would help them, and he promised that he would secure the border. he did not win because he promised to pardon the january 6th ers. in fact, two thirds of americans do not

agree with that. and so what we will do is say, hey, you want to help the middle class. that's why you won. we'll do it with you. if you want to take down the fbi with kash patel, we will stand up to you vigorously and we will call out the difference. and i think part of the problem is that we didn't make the distinction between democracy and the rule of law, and how it is not a distinction we didn't make the connection between democracy and the rule of law, and how that impacts and will impact everyone's daily life, and we need to be better at that. >> i love when someone takes umbrage to something i've said. i feel like it's that that scene in jerry maguire where cuba gooding says, i feel like we're finally starting to communicate. marc elias i do have to say, though, that we have asked plenty of questions about republicans, and for the first three and a half years, the trump administration, i heard from all sorts of republicans that i used to know on signal usually, or the other. what's

the other one? whatsapp. oh, thank god you're saying what you're saying about grab them in the in the oh bleep i can't say it. they all voted for grab him in the bleep i can't say it. they all voted to exonerate him in the bleep i can't say it but i'm so glad you're swinging awa. over on msnbc. they all endorsed him. they all campaigned with him. and they all will vote for all of his unqualified picks to be cabinet secretaries. i would bet again just that pitcher of beer because i'm not a predictor of anything these days that they'll stop. none of them. >> no. that's right. they're they're they're going to confirm everyone who gets a floor vote because there is not an ounce of cartilage, no less sign of spine in the senate republican conference. and i agree with the congressman that that the responsibility for this and the moral condemnation starts with the republicans. before we start attacking democrats, just tell me why it is that every republican in the senate will

oppose voting rights legislation. tell me why they all have endorsed donald trump and why they will all, maybe with one free hall pass here and there to get susan collins healthy for her reelection or the like. they'll all support his nominees. i mean, the fact is that republicans are not going to save us. republicans are are are are the problem. they're not the solution. the only thing that unites the republican conference together today is being sycophantic to donald trump. and unfortunately, that is spreading now to more and more aspects of society. it is spreading to the billionaire class. it's spreading to a lot of the legacy media. it's spreading to large corporations. i mean, they are raising more money for his inauguration because literally billionaires and corporations are lining up to throw money at him. so it is ultimately going to be on us. it is going to be on the people around this table. it is going to be people like the congressman who are going to have to lead this new opposition that we talked about, and it is not about pivoting away from it. it is about leaning into it. >> i think it's also imperative

there's something so offensive about trump that it's hard to give them credit. but steve bannon deserves a lot of credit for having a plan, putting it on a whiteboard and continuing to carry it out and to go to jail in service of it. and that was to destroy or dismantle the administrative state. he's made a lot of progress. >> he has. but also just to come back to something you were saying about the two reports that jack smith has. sometimes we pull our punches and. we sometimes we shouldn't. and this is an example. so you have a january 6th report that it looks like is going to be released. but then you have merrick garland saying we're going to keep the classified documents, report to ourselves. we're not going to release that except to certain members of congress, because it could prejudice these other two co-defendants who have an appeal that's going on. well, here's a hot news flash. in ten days, that case against those two co-defendants is going by by trump's doj is getting rid of it. so why don't you drop it first if you really think this

prejudice is an issue, which it's not, you could just redact sections that relate to their obstruction. but if you really think it's an issue, drop the case. that's already going to be dropped and release the report that is that report more than the january 6th report, where, you know, at least with the indictment, that was a pretty fulsome indictment in the january 6th case. and we had a lot of briefing that talked about the evidence that supported that indictment in that case. whereas in the classified documents case, jack smith in a filing said, i'm going to prove a trial with evidence. why donald trump had those classified documents in his ballroom and in his bathroom and everywhere else, why he didn't want to get rid of them and what his plan to use them was. i'd like to know what that plan was. i think we all deserve to know that the incoming president, what he does with our nation's secrets. and so that's significant information. if that's information that's contained in this report, we deserve to know what it is. and so again, this isn't you can't blame republicans for that. merrick garland made the call on his own to hold that back. so things like that. you know, even

today, you know, you have todd blanche, donald trump, donald trump's attorney, and donald trump attacking alvin bragg, attacking the prosecution here and there. and you're going to see in ten days the person that's the prosecutor could be the target. but we have ten days. so, you know, we could president biden could be using his pardon power to protect these people. there are things you could do to protect these people, and we're not doing them. >> w w b d what would bill barr do? he would be wielding his power very different. >> well, we know what bill barr would do because we saw it. when? when. >> trump was investigated during russiagate is the very moment bill barr got an opening to spin what the investigation looked like and how the public should think about it and what the fact pattern was, and then to lie about it and misrepresent it ahead of the release of the report, while bob mueller stood by dutifully like a good legal boy scout. >> and i say that with respect because you should honor the

law. but i also say it with some disdain, because democrats and rule of law people like merrick garland don't stay vigilant enough about the fact that they're at a gun fight. and it's not patty cake, and they're singing kumbaya, and they're saying what they need to say about how the process should move along. and donald trump is laughing at them, and the people he assembles around him understand how easy it is to bend both public perception and process, to serve his needs. and, you know, you can give steve bannon credit for identifying that voters are aggrieved and they're aggrieved about their place in the world and their economic insecurity. what you can't forgive him for is he actually, he and trump don't care about solving that problem. >> i didn't say anything. i just think to assemble a movement, as mark is saying, and to organize a party around where

accountability should be for the state of things. republicans control everything. you're absolutely right. republicans should be holding the bag for whatever the public feels isn't working for them. they control all the levers of power. you have to study the people that beat you. and if outplayed, is the wrong word. i mean, i don't, you know, i don't know what the more polite way is to put it, but but democrats went to the country with the message that everything our very democracy is on the line. and they lost. >> yeah. and that's that is important to note. so we're talking about the rule of law here. we're talking about democracy. we're talking about our institutions. and part of it is that i think we talked in overly broad terms, and we didn't put it in practical terms or tangible terms for people, but part of it was a that's down the road right now. you know, my grocery bill is just way too high. and what we did not focus. i guess i think enough on how our policies and by the way, the

only policies of either party that actually help the middle class are the democratic party policies. i can guarantee you, when he cuts taxes on the billionaires, that is not going to help the middle class. he doesn't care. he just wanted to win. and then once he's in, he doesn't care whether he actually helps them or not. so we need to hold him accountable for his promises in that way. and we also need to make sure that we are not chasing the greenland distraction. the panama distraction merged with canada. you know that. that's what he does very well. and he learned is that he said, you know what, i'm just going to throw something out there. everyone is going to go chase it. and then what i'm going to do is i'm going to cut taxes on billionaires. i am going to weaponize the fbi. i am going to take down all of my enemies. while everyone else is focusing on greenland and greenland. >> can we do this? can this be a regular thing? right. fridays

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the east. again, total devastation of entire communities and over 5000 structures seen here before and after the eaton fire. that fire is just three 3% contained. the unprecedented scale of these wildfires is the result, as we've heard for days now, of extreme winds and extremely dry conditions and water systems that are so stressed that firefighters struggle to battle the blazes. at least ten people have lost their lives, and more than 150,000 people are still under evacuation orders. that means their pets to need somewhere safe to go. the pasadena humane society, for one, is calling for donations and extra assistance, taking in more than 300 animals for emergency boarding. since the eaton fire broke out, and working with regional shelters to house even more. let's bring into our conversation nbc news correspondent steve patterson, back with us from pacific

palisades. i'm still so moved by the very first live report you had with julie, who had lost her home. just tell us what you're seeing and hearing today as you walk around that neighborhood. >> you know, the same level of destruction that we've been reporting over the last few days, and it feels bad to keep showing you these images. but i think it's important to see because it's important to understand how much is lost and the scale of the loss, which right now is incalculable. we're talking about estimates, right? 5005 thousand and 6000. we don't know what the true number is going to be because nobody can count yet. not because they can't, but because of what you may see in the sky. these i don't know if you can see the outlines of these. these look like clouds. these are not clouds. these are both dual smoke stacks that have sort of formed, you know, what we might call pyrocumulus? these aren't pyrocumulus, but they they emanate from a fire. and the fire is often the canyon. we were speaking to a captain who was here, who basically told us that he's still sending out units, because these fires are

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to begin immediately. and steve said that it's not it's too late to start the rebuilding. >> clearly it's too late to start rebuilding. >> but what needs to be started immediately is recovery. >> and by that i mean people don't have toothbrushes, people don't have clothes, people don't have water. >> they don't. people whose homes burned have nothing. they may be fortunate enough to have some resources they can lean on to before the insurance companies come in and give them something, but they've got nothing. we went through this six years ago with the woolsey fire, which was devastating, but not as devastating, if that. >> and that's so hard to believe. >> but i've noticed today on the local news already, giant relief efforts are beginning in the city of los angeles, which is understandable, you know? but we're a suburban and, i'm sorry, a rural enclave. and there isn't an easy way to get to malibu right now. the main route to malibu is pacific coast highway, which comes in through santa monica. pacific coast highway is

devastated. it's a war zone. every house along the way on both sides for miles have burned. there are few that are standing, but not many. so i'm very concerned for my community that they need relief efforts to get to malibu. they need to go around the santa monica mountains to come in. >> i don't want to say we're going to be in competition for resources with los angeles and other areas, because i would hope that we can all work together. >> in fact, i've reached out to all the other leaders and encouraged them to not only to let us work together, but to call upon our experience from the woolsey fire in the recovery effort, because we know what to do. we've been through this before. we were the central area that suffered in that fire, and all of the aid flowed into malibu. we were able to coordinate it and know how to deal with it and distribute it. but this time we're cut off. we're not alone, and i'm very

concerned about us being kind of the tail of the tail of the dog and not getting the kind of attention we're going to require because we've lost maybe 600 homes already. i know of three deaths. i get choked up talking about this, but the scenes of devastation that steve was showing before are nothing in comparison to what is down the road. >> it's just. >> like, i don't know what else to say is some of the disparity in, in maybe our awareness or attention, what you're talking about, the inaccessibility to the scenes that steve and jacob have been able to show us from the palisades fire. >> i think that's right. >> again, you know, six years ago when we suffered a serious setback, we lost 400 homes, and this time we have at least 600. it was easy to get into malibu. the fire had been to the west of malibu. so people understand the geography. we are north of los, northwest of los angeles. so you

go through santa monica, then you cross through the palisade. the palisades are part of los angeles. you go into an area called topanga, which is unincorporated los angeles county. then you get to malibu. the fire we had last time was at the western edge of malibu. so you could get into malibu and get to the edge of the disaster area. this time, the disaster area is between us and civilization, so to speak. there are some mountain roads that need to be that could be traversed. one of them, there's fires burning, the other, the wind is howling. and the only way to really realistically get in other than army trucks, perhaps, is to drive in through the north south and from ventura county. and, and i think it is probably more difficult to get to us and we're off the radar. the press is now covering where it's easy to cover los angeles, the city of los angeles, which is again, the palisades, is in los angeles. that's where this started. and they've been devastated. there's a fire in altadena, which is north of los

angeles that's accessible through los angeles. there must be seven fires burning. it's unreal. but they're all surrounding los angeles, and they can all be accessed. and we are cut off. >> bruce. i mean, that feels like it creates an even more, maybe the opposite response than what you're describing. and i would i would urge you, if you're able to get back there with one of those emergency vehicles and you'd like to take us with you, please do that before we're able to arrange anything like that. can you just tell me what you're hearing from your residents, from your constituents, what they need and where they are? have they scattered to neighbors? are they gathering in shelters? what do you know about the immediate needs of your constituents? i think we lost. we lost. we lost the signal there. but a really important point and obviously something we want to stress that if there are any local leaders

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