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one day be relegated to history, terrible as it is, because that is the la. i know and love. that's it for me. see you tomorrow. >> i want to begin with a special report on something that is happening for the first time in american history, and i'll begin like this. >> january 10th, 2025 is the day that donald trump was sentenced as a felon. the convict, as you see there, seated with his lawyer, listening and facing a judge in this virtual hearing, the final formal step of accountability. after a much watched trial where he was convicted of falsifying business records to hide payments negotiated during his 2016 campaign, payments that he then furnished under false records

while he was president. it's a reckoning that trump fought to the very end. he tried and failed to get the supreme court to side with him again. it would have been, but he wanted them to stop the sentencing today. the court rejected that request late last night. if you've been following a majority of justices appointed by presidents in both parties formed that majority, rejecting trump's bid. >> we should also note that in the minority were trump's closest gop appointed allies. >> they wanted, but failed to stop what you see here today, what still occurred even for an incoming president elect. >> so the scotus majority cleared the way for this accountability. >> that means this happened. this now convicted felon facing the court. and it happened with the imprimatur of the highest federal court in the land, an unprecedented and formal legal reckoning, i can tell you the judge referred directly to the undeniable special circumstance here, a defendant facing this

court while also preparing in just ten days to oversee the rule of law in the us as the incoming president. >> donald trump, the ordinary citizen, donald trump, the criminal defendant, would not be entitled to such considerable protections. >> trump, facing his conviction, losing that appeal, as mentioned to the supreme court. so trump faces the mark of a felon. this is an outcome that was never resolved in the georgia coup case, where he was famously arraigned with that mug shot but never brought to trial. this never got to this point. and the federal cases here, the felon faced a judge who had already ruled out jail time. and that is a common approach in business. first time offenses like this. today, the criminal sentence was an unconditional discharge. and so this matters. this happened. and if you want to look at it

through the adversarial lens, which is of course the lens of many court cases, right. you have two sides. this isn't something where the trump folks said, let's just get through it. we're about to be president, or let's just say it doesn't matter, or go through the motions and move on. no, this is something, as i just showed you, that donald trump did not want to happen, that his lawyers fought to the bitter end, which tells you something about how even in its reduced or moderate measured form, it was still this loss, this blow to him. and so while there are many reasons why people are busy or distracted or exhausted, this happened today. it happened for the first time in american history. it matters in that very real sense. and so now we are going to broadcast just some of the key moments from today for your news viewing and hearing. this comes across in about three minutes from today's now historic proceeding. >> it's a very sad day. it's a

sad day for president trump and his family and friends, but it's also, in counsel's view, a sad day for this country. >> we very much intend on pursuing an appeal of this verdict. >> it's been a political witch hunt. >> it was done to damage my reputation so that i would lose the election. and obviously that didn't work. and the people of our country got to see this firsthand. i'm totally innocent. i did nothing wrong. they talked about business records, and the business records were extremely accurately captured. i have nothing to do with them. anything that was done by an accountant or bookkeeper who i think gave very credible testimony and was corroborated by everybody that was asked. i got indicted over calling a legal expense a legal expense. it was called a legal expense. i won the election in a massive landslide. and the people of this country understand what's gone on. this has been a

weaponization of government. they call it lawfare. never happened to any extent like this, but never happened in our country before. and i just like to explain that i was treated very, very unfairly. >> far from expressing any kind of remorse for his criminal conduct, the defendant has purposefully bred disdain for our judicial institutions and the rule of law. >> he has been unrelenting in his unsubstantiated attacks upon this court and its family, individual prosecutors and their families, the witnesses, the grand jury, the trial jury, and the justice system as a whole. as this court has noted, the defendant's conduct, quote, constitutes a direct attack on the rule of law itself. put simply, this defendant has caused enduring damage to the public perception of the criminal justice system and has placed officers of the court in harm's way. >> never before has this court

been presented with such a unique and remarkable set of circumstances. >> to be clear, the protections afforded the office of the president are not a mitigating factor. >> they do not reduce the seriousness, seriousness of the crime or justify its commission in any way. one power they do not provide is the power to erase a jury verdict. >> it is clear from legal precedent which until july 1st was scarce, that donald trump, the ordinary citizen, donald trump, the criminal defendant, would not be entitled to such considerable protections. >> after careful analysis in obedience to governing mandates and pursuant to the rule of law, this court has determined that the only lawful sentence that permits entry of a judgment of conviction without encroaching upon the highest office in the land is an unconditional

discharge. i impose that sentence to cover all 34 counts. sir, i wish you godspeed as you assume your second term in office. >> godspeed as you assume the second term in office, words that have never been spoken in any courtroom in american history. >> it is a somber closing to one chapter. >> it also is a statement of where we are at, and the law was finally applied to trump in one of his four cases. most first time offenders in these business cases don't get jail time anyway. and if you follow this, we have reported that on this program and other hours on msnbc that's been known, but many get some other punishment, including a probation, even a home confinement community service. so while sparing jail is common, the unconditional discharge today was actually unusual. legal experts calling it incredibly rare. and so this outcome, if you're following it, is something of a split

decision. on the one hand, new york's da went first, taking action, creating a precedent for prosecuting a former president which had literally never been done before and that took on great pressure. also put him first in the queue, and then he went forward and won the case, convicting donald trump. on the other hand, the trial ended up showcasing the ways that donald trump could break rules, evade more serious accountability. he infamously attacked the judge's family. you heard the prosecutor refer to that. he repeatedly broke the gag order. those are things that other defendants would have. definitely. and we have the examples. we have the history face stricter punishment for now. there are other observers who ask, all right, does any of this matter? after the electorate returned, now president elect trump to power, that's an understandable question. and if you look at it politically, it's clearly a matter of disappointment or frustration for many, trump's

foes. but let me tell you something. i always try to level with you, and we've followed a lot of this together. and i was down inside that courtroom. i watched then defendant now felon trump in that very case, and watch the witnesses and watch the jury. we've covered this through now. it's end legally today. and let me tell you something about that concern. well, does it even matter if he was reelected in our system? that is and is supposed to be legally irrelevant, the rule of law when it works, transcends public and political pressures and is certainly not intended to shape them. indeed, there's a funny thing that's happening here where you hear an overlap from what convict donald trump said today in his court proceeding, and what some critics and political foes of donald trump say. they actually overlap the critics saying, what i, what i just sort of referred to, does it even matter? he won anyway. and him felon trump

saying he won. and this was designed to hurt him and he won with votes. despite this whole effort. but that's exactly backwards because that's the obsessively political lens. he was caught. other people who work for him went to jail. and i'll get to that in a minute. and the law took hold. and a jury of his peers weighed the evidence not to shape or impact. the election should never be that way, but rather to go forward with the legal process separate from any election. the defendant or in this case, convicts popularity is never supposed to be the point, the purpose or the object. and remember, while it may be easy to forget now, or it's in sort of the fog of a very, very long set of couple of years involving all of this and sort of the interregnum between these two trump terms. there was a long road with dogged reporting, a heck of a lot of people standing up and a lot of litigation to ever get the rule of law to hold

and ultimately get to trump's guilty verdict. >> president trump's personal attorney has acknowledged paying an adult film actress tens of thousands of dollars in the final days of the 2016 presidential campaign. michael stein, an attorney, and you'll have to ask you signed and released a statement that said, i'm not denying this affair because i was paid in hush money. was it hush money to stay silent? yes. >> this is about the cover up. >> it is thuggish behavior from people in power for the first time, the first time in our country's history a former united states president is facing criminal charges. >> new york judge sentenced allen weisselberg to five months behind bars for perjury, lying under oath in the former president's civil fraud trial. >> the entire country is waiting for word from the jury in the trump election interference, hush money, criminal trial. we've got a verdict. >> ari melber, we are looking at count one. guilty. count two.

>> guilty 13. 14 guilty. >> count 20. guilty. >> count 27. guilty. >> listen, it's a unanimous jury verdict. >> unanimous on all counts. >> that all happened now. trump straddled this case between his two terms. and that did create a more complex legal path. and many of his aides and enablers paid much more than him. and far sooner his top company cfo was long ago cuffed, arraigned, convicted and sent to a pretty rough jail in new york, rikers island, for offenses related to this case. likewise, trump's lawyer for this and other crimes went to jail, as did other aides in other cases. more of these individuals spending more time behind bars for any set of presidential aides since richard nixon. and if you broaden out today is another long awaited,

long, hard earned legal marker that reinforces, as you can see from the stamps here, how trump's enterprises are riddled with documented crimes. we see the felon at the top as of today. but from his first campaign to his business to his 2020 campaign, so many people in so many places and jurisdictions convicted, that's not a witch hunt legally, if you use that terminology. it's just a lot of witches. the chart you're looking at is made of evidence, facts, and the unanimous decision of juries around the country. it is not some view from outside critics or political foes. and trump, the convicted felon atop those enterprises. even as he returns to the top of the federal government, he is marked in history. he is perhaps personally seared by today's sentence, and this conviction.

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the incoming trump administration. >> donald trump wants a presidential cabinet full of loyalists. >> don't miss the weekend, saturday and sunday mornings at 8:00 on msnbc. >> the second inauguration of donald trump morning joe kicks off coverage. then, at 10 a.m, rachel maddow and team will bring you key moments of the day, followed by analysis from our prime time anchors as the new term begins monday, january 20th, beginning at six on msnbc. >> we are joined by a former federal prosecutor, joyce vance, and historian doug brinkley. joyce, your view on the law and what today means?

>> so i know that for many people, ari, today was disappointing. they had expected more justice when it came to donald trump. and i appreciate that. and in some ways i share that view. but i'm beginning to develop a much more optimistic outlook. i'm beginning to look at today as a real low in our country's history. the incoming president has just been sentenced. he is a convicted felon. he will be a convicted felon when he is sworn in. and despite the incredible power that he will hold in a manhattan courtroom, a judge and prosecutor stood up and held him accountable nonetheless. it may not be a full measure of justice, but it is accountability. they stuck it out. they made sure that the jury's verdict, that the conviction stuck. that was not always a preordained conclusion. and judge merchan took deliberate, clear steps to make sure that the supreme court would rule the way that they did this discharge that many people

are up in arms about, that permitted trump to walk out of court, or to at least walk off of the zoom, a free man with no further obligation to the court. that was what caused the supreme court to render this very narrow five four decision. this tells us the rule of law can still work. it's fractured. it is under attack. it is going to be a tough four years. but we are americans and we can do it. >> and you draw an important point about the supreme court, which, as i reported, has ruled in ways that were beneficial to trump. but very clearly in the ruling you cite last night, rejected what was his first big ask of his coming first, second term. and that's striking, doug, first draft of history. we all know that phrase. here's some of the headlines. the journal, a more conservative leaning outlet in its editorial, says trump first former president sentenced for felony wire service reuters. trump avoids jail at hush money sentencing our colleagues here

at nbc, trump sentenced to a penalty free unconditional discharge in the hush money case. all of these statements are true. headlines can matter. i don't know if you know this, doug. not everyone finishes every article or every book. so you can see already there the splintering of what today is. and joyce just gave us a legal view, your view of today. and if you would oblige, what history might in decades to come look back on today as well, you're going to be able to call donald trump a felon in chief, not just a commander in chief. >> we've never had a sitting president or ex-president be convicted of a felony, let alone 34 felony counts. i think the good news is that the supreme court acted in mature fashion, by and large, 5 to 4 is trying to show that there's some accountability to donald trump's antics. and it's a stain on

trump's legacy. there's no question from a historical point of view, because it permanently puts the name stormy daniels into the mix of history not as a tangential issue, but as a very real one. it connects them forever with business. the lack of ethics in business. it also, you know, i think is a helps that our jury system works. >> i mean, we ask a lot of jurors, they unanimously made a verdict. and at least they know that the supreme court is telling them that they've got their backs, those jurors, that they weren't wasting weeks and months being, you know, terrorized in some cases by maga people. so this is not good for donald trump's biography, not good in a big sense for the country writ large. this is drag on and on and on and on. but it does seem like some justice prevailed. one wishes president

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back. president elect trump has picked his team. they've picked the speaker and hakeem jeffries. and the counterpoint says he doesn't seem shook. it's a close margin in the house. they will need republican unity to get much of anything done. your thoughts on where we're headed into january 20th? >> well, it's a big a big question, ari, but i think that, first of all, let me say that the reality of governing and passing laws is going to meet the harshness of the divided government in washington. >> i mean, it is to me inconceivable to think that the president's going to get tax policy. >> he's going to get immigration. he's going to get energy all done, tariffs all done in one massive bill. >> they barely got the speaker of the house elected the other day. and that was only because president trump personally lobbied a half a dozen or eight

holdouts and said, i'll let you finish, but that's i'll let you finish. >> but it's interesting because you've been around and covered and dealt with donald trump. you're saying that as a matter of legislative planning, if this were a restaurant, his eyes might be bigger than his stomach. >> i definitely believe that that is the case. you know, i'm not an expert in how washington operates, other than the fact that i've been in the news business for half a century, i've never seen them able to really do big stuff unless they focus. obamacare is broad as it was, was about one thing. so here's a president who has promised on day one to change the world, but the world is going to resist being changed. denmark is not going to want to yield greenland. panama is not going to want to give up the canal. you know, it's a canada will n give up its sovereignty. you know, people who are going to be paying shopkeepers, who will now have to sell more expensive chinese goods because of tariffs, will

not want to sit idly by and they'll be demanding their own tax breaks. the dreamers, the immigration. it is an impossibly complex and very, very difficult machine. washington is. and the president, for all his bravado and all his bluster and his and his huge charisma, i don't in any way cut him short. but it's not going to be enough, it seems to me, to get some of these real stick in the mud, to move in his direction when they see the world in totally different ways. >> yeah. and as you say, that's where the governing comes in. if you had a larger mandate, if you had a, you know, a big reagan lead, if you had a 30 seat majority in the house, that would be different. and you kind of have to you have to price it out based on what you have. i want to show you this reporting that the trump transition team wants to do what they call a, quote, dc area showcase immigration raid. in the first days that this would be a, quote, high profile raid targeting undocumented

immigrants. in the initial days, the raid could target immigrants allegedly living in the us illegally in a workplace in the washington, dc area. i'm curious what you think of this because i've covered this. i've had stephen miller on the show. i think we can stipulate that there are debates about immigration in this country, and undocumented immigration has been rising, and there's a question about how to deal with that in a holistic way that is humane but protects national security. i'm i'm curious what you think of something that's already being billed as a kind of quote, show or advertisement. isn't this issue more important than making a dc show for the dc media market? >> you know, i'm an old man now. i've been a boxer all my life. i've given it up because of my, my frailty. but i would come back to punch stephen miller in the nose because he is the most hideous in terms of his policy. i don't know the guy personally, but in terms of his policy, he is absolutely draconian. he is

the definition of it. he doesn't want to resolve the issue. he wants to scapegoat certain people that will, in his mind, it will resound favorably to president trump. i think that this is a horrible idea, a showcase of raids in the dc area. you know what that's going to do? it will heighten the uncertainty in the immigration among immigrants. it will infuriate the democrats. it will motivate that base. it will absolutely garner him no additional points he needs now to use this bluster and use this moment and use these first 100 days to make deals. he he prides himself on being a deal maker. he did in his other life, when i knew him better. >> yeah. >> now make a deal. i make a deal to show you. okay? >> and i'll say i appreciate your i know your passion on the

issue. we on the beat oppose all types of violence. you might be using some political rhetoric. i know, i know that the president elect uses some rhetoric sometimes, but i did have to say that i'm going to take us now beyond american politics overall, though, because i've told you this before, it's interesting to connect with you. given the news career you've had. and i want to show you something we dug up tonight as we look, just let's look beyond our american divisions for a second. this is all the way back of you. you mentioned. you said you the years you've you've lived. this is from 1977. take a look. >> good morning and welcome to havana harbor, where a soviet freighter, one of many lies anchored, waiting its turn to come into this busy port. >> it's symbolic, i think, that just a couple of hundred yards away from that anchored russian ship is this boarded up and melancholy looking building. >> this, ladies and gentlemen, used to be the american embassy. >> when you look around, the thing that occurs to you is. it's funny. they don't look like communists.

>> there are some caballero primero. >> there. you were reporting in castro's cuba, meeting with fidel castro. and i have a little more. and then we'll get your thoughts on this. this is your very newsworthy interview. castro used his style. he was controversial for many reasons, but he had his own leadership style, a sort of joking charisma, as well as the interview he did with abc's barbara walters. take a look. >> make me work as much as you make me work. >> i wouldn't have a long life. >> not a trabajar como durante tres dias. >> she made me work for about three days in. >> beyonce. >> and then i was paid nothing. >> absolutely nothing. >> and then he paid $1 million dollars. >> actually, castro wasn't precisely correct. and a flagrant act of checkbook journalism. abc did, in fact pay him. he received a $20 fee for the day. he drove barbara around in his jeep.

>> your reflections. i don't know how much you remember that trip, that era in foreign policy and the cold war and the type of reporting you were doing? >> i love barbara walters. >> we became friends as soon as we were paired together at abc in the 1970s. i think it was at the son of sam was the first story we did together. i loved her whole life. we had a wonderful, wonderful friendship. i jumped out of her birthday cake for her 75th birthday topless. i noticed i did a few topless stints just there for good morning america. you know, castro was one of the greats, all time greats, and i know a lot of people hated him as he came to symbolize the, you know, communism and its grip on latin america and, you know, anti-americanism and all the rest. and defeating the our friends at the bay of pigs and so forth. but he was like trump.

and i don't mean that politically. of course not. but but in terms of larger than life, in terms of that kind of ability to, to project and to control a room and to make people listen where they might ordinarily not listen. so i, i enjoyed that enormously. what he said in the interview was he wanted some talks with the united states, but he really didn't. he he prospered personally, and i don't mean financially, but he prospered in terms of his image and all the rest of it. by his opposition to the united states and by cracking the whole the united states had on on latin america. but he was an historic figure in many, many ways, and it was a wonderful experience for me. i was on at 815 every morning on good morning america for, i don't know, for ten years, eight, ten years. and they i was someplace else every week. and

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alive and well enough, produced with his son ben daniels, is available on audible now. jeff daniels, thanks for being here. >> pleasure to be here. >> it's really great. i'm excited. we're going to get into everything, but let's start with the memoir. this is something you a decided you want to do and be with your with your son. why? >> well, i didn't i didn't want to do it. no, my agent called and a couple of years ago and he said, you know, you're the only actor in hollywood who doesn't have a podcast, right? >> yeah. i said, is that a problem? >> he goes, well, i mean, you could. >> i said, okay, look, i'll do it. >> if i can kind of do a one man show. and the platform that audible originals gives me is i can act, i can, i can write, i can act, i can, i play music? so i've got songs from 40, 50 years ago, which is really kind of a musical diary. i can make up, i can do anything i want, and so it allows me to do everything

that i do in one place. and so that was attractive to me. and season one was kind of, well, i hope it flies. and it did. so here's season two. >> i'm part of a generation that literally grew up on your movies and has these movies and the shows and the memory. and of course, i think it goes without saying. people in journalism look at some of the newsroom and the political roles as well. did you like overcoming people's limitations or assumptions for you or you can't do serious. oh, you initially oh, you can't do goofy. >> when dumb and dumber came along, that was a direct i want to change course. i know i can do comedy. you don't know i can, i know i can. i want to work with jim carrey and put it on the line and see if i can't change things up and, you know, dumb and dumber at the time. i mean, we knew we had cornered the market on 12 year old boys, but we were we were not prepared

for the demo from 8 to 80, you know, on that every actor wants something and i've got a few a movie or a play or a performance that outlives you, a speech, you know, the newsroom speech that aaron sorkin wrote, you know, dumb and dumber. it doesn't matter to be in the joshua lawrence chamberlain in gettysburg. to have things that will outlive you is the goal of every actor i know. one friend of mine who's an actor said, if i could just get one thing that i could be remembered for, you know? and that's kind of i've got several. i'm lucky. >> yeah. you're drawn to roles that deal with politics, the art of politics, and what we might call the search for public ethics. >> i guess i am, i well, i, i've said yes to those they've come to me. when you sit down with aaron sorkin, you really don't care what it is. you're going, when do i start? when you're

asked to do by aaron sorkin again, to play atticus finch on broadway, that that qualifies. yeah, yeah, maybe. i like those guys because they stood for something. they could be flawed. certainly mcavoy was. and we gave atticus a few few weaknesses as well. and the play version anyway. and but they all tend to stand for character, integrity, respect for others, do unto others. they stand for those kind of things. and looking back, especially post-election. some of your favorite characters stood for things like that. where did that

go? you know, and i think that's part of the problem with what we're going through now, is that we're at the mercy of not caring about things like that anymore. they don't matter. >> your dad was a small town mayor. >> my dad was atticus finch. yeah, yeah, i grew up with an atticus finch. yeah, he's small town lumber lumberman, mayor, school board president, and had the principles of somebody like an atticus finch. yeah. >> and you said that with with will. sometimes you would think about your dad's approach or leadership to where he would land. you're imbuing these characters with something that in one strain of thought, we lost. it's somehow fallen away from us. in america. >> i've always said november 5th was, we're going to find out who we are. and we did. but maybe it's and if you want to have some hope, maybe it's who we are

now. and let's see if that holds up. yeah. they've completely whether it's social media or any of the number of reasons why they, you know, they campaigned on fear. they can't, you know, all this stuff. you know, i just we're supposed to you the ideal and maybe it's naive and maybe we found out on november 5th, it was naive that. hate is easy. love is love takes a little more effort. and maybe standing for things like character and integrity and respect for others is too hard. and we're not going to get what we want if we do that. so let's let's flush that and do the other and go for it. okay? okay. i hope we have it. i hope we return to that. my hope was that that i hope the day comes when either on either side

of the aisle that we're electing the best of us, not the worst of us. i just did an independent movie called reykjavik, and it's the 1986 meeting between gorbachev and reagan and george shultz, and it's them talking about lowering nuclear weapons. this thing actually happened at a time when it was they were pointing nuclear weapons at each other and it was dangerous. >> so let's let's take a look at the real reagan, talking about those those talks in iceland. and then i want to hear how you channel him. let's take a look. >> we will be taking the same balanced approach we took in geneva. >> on one hand, we'll make it clear we seek negotiations and serious progress with the soviets on a wide range of issues. on the other, we'll make it clear that we will not sacrifice our values, principles or vital interests. i think we can view this whole summit process soberly and yet with a reasonable degree of optimism. >> the playing of him was was difficult because you're

threading a needle. you've got to get the voice. you've got to the hair. everything's got to kind of. and it's a little like, call me, except it's that voice. you got to land that voice. and. and as the director michael gunn said, we just need you to suggest it. and there are so many ways you can do a reagan. you can get a whole bunch of prosthetics and put plastic on you. and so you don't really see me, or you can do nothing. you can do jimmy stewart playing, you know, charles lindbergh as jimmy stewart would play jimmy stewart, you know, or you can suggest him. and the suggesting thing is interesting. it's like with timothee timothee chalamet with dylan and ed norton playing pete seeger i've watched them a little bit. you see that it's ed. you see that it's timothee. you see that it's me and that reagan's in here. and so i approached it like maybe i'm you know for act or speak i'm channeling him and that i'm pulling you in into through me

into him in a way that doesn't push you away. you know, sometimes the prosthetics and the look at all the stuff makes the audience just sit back and not really feel it. and what you want is to pull them in. and if they kind of see you but they hear him, there's a thing where actors say, you know, oh, the best acting, the greatest acting is when you inhabit the character. and with reagan, i was letting reagan inhabit me. >> jeff daniels, thank you so much. you're very welcome. appreciate it. from reagan to atticus finch to what it means that trump won. just those thoughts from jeff daniels. there is a longer version of this interview you just saw with a lot that you haven't seen. go to msnbc.com/summit or msnbc.com/ari or search on youtube. jeff daniels melber for the full summit. thanks for watching the beat weekend, and be sure to join us weekdays at 6 be sure to join us weekdays at 6 p.m. eastern for the beat on here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday.

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