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america's president elect is now a felon. will there ever be accountability for this us convict? i'm ayman mohyeldin. >> let's do it. >> we begin tonight out west with those devastating wildfires in california. officials now confirming at least 13 people have died as a result of the fires, which have now swept through 39,000 acres in the greater los angeles area, burning entire neighborhoods to the ground, including more than 12,000 structures. the fires have forced some 180,000 los angeles residents out of their homes, and sadly, we are far from the end of this. while some evacuation orders are being lifted tonight, others have been expanded, like near the palisades fire as it swept east towards the brentwood and encino areas overnight. despite that

flare up, local officials are making progress. it is now 11% contained. the lidia fire, which burned through nearly 400 acres, is now 100% fully contained. the kenneth fire is 80% contained, hearst is 76% contained, while the eaton fire is only 15% under control. dry conditions and high winds have fueled those fires, and could do so even more by next week. it's hard to imagine the scope of these fires, especially if you've never been around one, or if you haven't been to la, and it is more baffling when you consider that we are nowhere near the end of this catastrophe. tonight, there is a massive blame game going on over the response to these fires, and there are ongoing demands for accountability, and we're going to get into all of that and more in just a moment. but first, we go to los angeles. nbc news national correspondent morgan chesky is in mandeville canyon for us. morgan, i know that you've been there for some time. what is the latest where

you are and the ongoing fight there? yeah, amy, this firefight is changing by the day. we know evacuation orders went into effect late last night for all of the residents here in mandeville canyon. after that, palisades fire continued to grow. fortunately, everyone was able to get out safely. but what happened today is the winds that were expected to die down have stayed somewhat unpredictable, and that is why you are seeing the continued burn behind me. we have seen water drops in this area all day long, but firefighters tell us that it is still a frustrating firefight for several different reasons. and what makes this area so important is that mandeville canyon is essentially a conduit of sorts, from where the palisades fire has been burning to the heavily populated san fernando valley. should the fire move through here, it could open up an entirely new front. and that is why firefighters tell me they identified this as a vulnerable area as far back as three days ago, and they have

pre-positioned firefighters and trucks up and down this very rural but heavily populated area to make sure that they can protect it. yeah. i was going to say, morgan, while you're talking, we have live pictures from above you that shows just how densely populated that area is. talk to us a little bit about the homes in the area. we know there are more than 100,000 people who have been displaced across the l.a. area. you spoke with some of them earlier. what have they been telling you and what are what is the humanitarian aspect of this looking like right now? it's certainly growing by the day because they realize just how many people who either have lost everything need everything. back to going, or so many others they still don't know if their home is still standing. we visited one of the nine red cross shelters that have opened up across the greater la area today, and we could see people there trying to get back to some

sort of shred of normalcy. spoke to one mother with her three young children. they lived in an rv in the malibu area and lost it entirely to that pacific palisades fire. but she says the shelter, just in a matter of about 48 hours, has become home. she has her loved ones near her. she says that that's what's important right now. but again, she is having to rebuild essentially her life from scratch, and she is far from the exception to the rule, because we also heard from another homeowner in altadena who suffered a home loss from the fire. more shelters are expected to open up in the days and weeks ahead here, but it's heartbreaking to see so many people that now have nothing as a result of what is already a generational disaster here. >> yeah, it is going to be a long road to recovery and heartbreaking as we see some of those images there behind you and on the screen as well.

>> nbc's morgan chesky, thank you for starting us off this evening. stay safe, my friend. now, as firefighters work around the clock to contain the remaining blazes, many serious questions remain about how we got here. specifically, how underprepared the city might have been for what we are seeing play out within seven hours of the palisades fire igniting on the west side of the city, the ceo of the l.a. department of water and power says that one of its 3 million gallon tankers that fill the neighborhoods hydrants ran dry. the next tanker ran out later that evening, and the final one was empty by early wednesday. today, california governor gavin newsom called for an independent investigation into the loss of water pressure and reported unavailability of water supplies from the santa ynez reservoir. the governor has asked the l.a. county public works director for full transparency. meanwhile, l.a. mayor karen bass is also facing backlash for her decision to approve a budget for the fire department. that was $23 million

less than the year before. and of course, insurance companies are also facing some criticism for canceling fire policies or refusing to write new ones in california over the past few years. and that includes state farm, which decided not to renew tens of thousands of policies in the state, including about 1600 in pacific palisades alone. now, analysts estimate that the economic losses from these fires could exceed $150 billion, taking nearly a decade to recover from. with us now is democratic congressman brad sherman of california. he represents the 32nd congressional district, which includes many of these affected neighborhoods of pacific palisades, brentwood and encino. congressman, thank you so much for making time for us this evening. i know it is a very difficult time for you and the community, but i just wanted to start by asking you how you and your constituents are doing. have they been able to find shelter, safe shelter under these evacuation orders and circumstances?

>> we have shelters, including one just down the street from my home here in sherman oaks. >> these shelters tend to accommodate pets, including the one here in sherman oaks. >> and in addition, most insurance companies will pay for your hotel bill if you're in a mandatory evacuation effort. >> and fema will also help those who are uninsured. so whether it's a hotel, whether it's a shelter, there's a place to go. >> a lot of people were getting erroneous emergency alerts that that annoyed 10 million people in this county that's been brought under control. >> so if you get an emergency alert now, it's for real. >> and if you're supposed to evacuate. evacuate. >> i want to play something that a resident in the sunset mesa area told my colleague ellison barber. earlier, she was in a line of cars for about six hours trying to get home. and we'll get your thoughts on the other side of this, sir. >> what have they told you about

when you can go home? >> we haven't heard anything. yeah. >> what do you think about the response? you know, there's been a lot of back and forth lately between the fire chief saying the department was underfunded and they didn't have the resources. do you feel like the city failed here? >> i think the organization hasn't been the best. >> get your thoughts on that, sir. the as you heard there, as allison hinted there, the la fire chief has said the city has failed her agency. your response? >> every agency head feels that they need more money. >> there was a dispute here over about 2 or 3% of the budget. >> but i think that when we look at this, it's not. how did we respond when the fire started? but what did we do to put ourselves in this position? these are extraordinary wins. but this is not a once in a century event. and we do have a perfect storm with the foliage because we had two wet winters to grow the foliage, and now we've had a dry winter to dry it out. but ultimately we're going

to have to have building codes. we have a good building code, but it only applies to buildings built 2008 and thereafter. we need to go retrofit and make sure that all, all construct not only the new construction but older construction meets what we call the chapter 17 a we need to do a much better job in managing the foliage around homes. just a gap of five feet ten feet around your home can make a hell of a difference. but there's. now's not the best time to try to analyze all these issues. but we can't. we got to put out the fire, but then we can't lose interest in what will be some very expensive changes in the way we live. >> let me get your thoughts on the on the water situation. governor newsom is now asking for an investigation into the loss of water pressure to local local fire hydrants. officials have said that the storage tanks and pumping systems that feed the hydrants just couldn't keep

pace with the demands for those fires. was the city prepared, as it should have been? i mean, does los angeles need to rethink its water system? >> first of all, this is not a water shortage. as you pointed out earlier, people are going into. a reservoir. it's built and people are not being asked around the city to conserve water. this is a matter of pumping and water pressure in an elevated area, namely the palisades, and they have a system that's a good system. except for this kind of event. they did not plan for this event. they planned for ordinary operations, you know, keep people in their homes and happy and in their showers and then put out the occasional one house fire, two house fires, good system for that. not enough water, at an altitude that would create the water pressure coming

down. the purpose of these tanks is not so much to store water, it's to have water at a higher altitude that will come down and create the pressure. so i know that trump was talking about how this relates to how much water goes into the ocean from northern california rivers and the smelt, fish and all. none of that matters here, usually in often in los angeles, we have to conserve water. this is not you know, we've got what for us is a whole lot of water. this is a matter of having water pressure at a higher than usual elevation. and having a system that's not just designed to deal with 1 or 2 houses being on fire. >> yeah. and we're showing some of the live pictures of those efforts that are taking place in mandeville canyon, california, as efforts, firefighting efforts to contain and put out the blaze there continue well into the saturday afternoon west coast time. i wanted to get your

thoughts, congressman, at what was said at a press conference today, fema official announcing their individual assistance program to offer help with the cost of house repairs as well as temporary housing, something you were alluding to in your first answer. even the cost of medical bills in the funerals. as of this morning, 16,000 people have applied for the program in the coming days and weeks. you know, i can only imagine that number is going to surge. how will you work with the governor and the incoming trump administration to assure the residents to continue to seek assistance through all of this? >> well, i've sent an email out to everyone in my district as to what the benefits are and how to apply. and then we've got to go back to washington and provide greater benefits than than the standard statute, just as we did for hawaii and lahaina. there's 43,000, $43,600 for housing related things as a grant, not a loan, 43,600 for everything else

from funerals to burned out car. and of course, this is only uninsured losses. if your insurance company is going to pay, the government won't. and then there's a program to lend up to half $1 million at a low interest rate to rebuild the home. but the we've got people with very substantial homes with very inadequate insurance. they couldn't get insurance. and we're going to need to provide funds for cdbg grants to people who have have lost everything and cannot rebuild their home, even for $43,000. >> this may be a broad question to end on, but what do you think fundamentally needs to change as we go forward? i mean, i know the road ahead and you suggested this a little bit. we're going to have to rethink a lot. but what do we have to rethink about cities like la or the way that we are currently living, where these natural disasters are becoming more extreme? and it seems as we're learning, our cities are underprepared.

>> we have a building code, we call it chapter seven a, we've got to make sure all homes meet that standard, not just the ones that were built since 2008 and of course, the ones that will be rebuilt in the palisades will meet the standard we need, and we need to look at that nationwide. >> not necessarily every house, but certainly every house in an area that could in any way be hit with a wildfire. we need to manage vegetation around homes, and it has to be, frankly, a heavy handed and compulsory. if we've got to send inspectors out to every home and you don't clear it, government's got to come in and clear it, send you the bill, you don't pay the bill that becomes part of your property tax lien. and, you know, people don't like to be told, oh, i have to move a favorite bush or i have to trim a tree. but if the government came in in the while i was at work and trimmed the tree for me on my own land, that will make people angry. it offends the kind of super individualism that

runs deep in america. but we're now a society, and if your tree is too close to your house and it burns up, that endangers the life of people not only in your home, but on all the surrounding homes and the firefighters that come to save your home. and this this idea that, oh, it's the government is supposed to save everything at the last minute. i don't have to worry about fire. i don't have to worry about my vegetation. something happens. i just call 911 and it's up to them to solve the problem. that's an attitude that has to change. >> all right. california congressman brad sherman, thank you so much, sir. greatly appreciate it. >> thank you. >> next up jack smith officially resigning as trump, officially a convicted felon who will not serve any time nor probation, just time in the white house. is just time in the white house. is that (♪♪) hi neighbor! you switched to t-mobile home internet yet? trim your hedge. it's $35 bucks a month with no price hikes! bam!

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special prosecutor and co-host of the sisters in law podcast. great to have both of you with us. charles, i'll start with you. i mean, your big takeaway from this weekend of news. we'll start with the resignation. i mean, that in itself is not surprising. we knew that was coming, but it also comes on the heels of the sentencing. and now, of course, we are awaiting this report from the doj. it seems like, legally speaking, that has been cleared for it to ultimately be released. >> well, i mean, one of the things that i think about when i look at the huge nexus of cases that donald trump has faced over the past few years, i cannot help but to feel that this is a guy who's now going into the oval office and thumbing his nose at the entire justice system. >> you know, whether it's robert mueller, whether it's the impeachments, whether it's jack smith, whether it's merrick garland, he has gotten away with it. >> he's fani willis. >> i mean, and even alvin bragg. right. >> like he has continued letitia james, he has thumbed his nose at the legal system in ways that are incomprehensible. and

historically, we will look at and know that no one else in history and no one else in america could have ever done to this magnitude and in this way. and i really am curious as to what we should think about that, not only with respect to the system and how it operates, but the fact that so many american voters were actually okay with that and sent this man back to the white house. >> jill, your thoughts on i mean, how do you think jack smith's resignation may impact the release of this final report? and to charles point as well, the big takeaway here for someone like donald trump, who has evaded accountability from everything small trials, big trials, impeachment trials, federal trials, you name it, he's been able to kind of just walk through it unscathed. >> well, he's not completely unscathed. >> let's look at the fact that he does have the e. >> jean carroll decision and he has been sentenced. >> it is a final sentence now. >> he is a convicted felon. >> yes, it's subject to appeal, but he's not unscathed. but he

has been the luckiest defendant in the history of the world with a problem arising in georgia because of an appointment of someone that the da had a relationship with, because of the timing, because of owning the supreme court and getting the immunity decision. i don't think that jack smith's resignation, which was, as you said, completely expected, will have any impact on this. i don't think that the sentencing is going to change anything either. i think that as we look at is this justice, which was the question you raised? >> eamon? >> it is the best that could have been hoped for in the circumstances. i think there would have been no sentencing if judge merchan hadn't said in advance that he was going to give unconditional release, that there would be no jail time. and frankly, most people, first time offenders who commit this offense probably wouldn't have gone to jail. i think that what would have been better a little

bit is if marchand had said, but for the immunity decision, but for the fact that donald trump has been elected to be president in ten days, i would have sentenced him to and laid out why he would have given him whatever the penalty would have been. that would have been a little bit more satisfying. but i think under the circumstances, judge marchand did everything he could. i agree with everything that charles wrote in his piece for msnbc. it isn't exactly justice. >> so, joe, let me ask you to follow up. do you believe how do you believe history will judge merrick garland when you look at the resignation of jack smith? right. and you think about what could have happened had this investigation started immediately after merrick garland came into office, with all of the evidence that had already been gathered by the impeachment inquiry into what happened on january the 6th and the classified documents case. could history have been different? and what do you think

history will say about merrick garland? >> i want to say, first of all, that merrick garland went to my high school, so. but i don't know him, and he was many years after me. i don't think it will view him. i think that we have to go back before his appointment as attorney general. we have to go back to his failure to be part of the supreme court, where he would have done well, and the fact that as a result of his not being there, we ended up with two people appointed by donald trump who have made a horror out of the department, out of the supreme court, and have led to these decisions, including the immunity one that have done all of these bad things. and i'm concerned that the five four decision to allow him to be sentenced could indicate that when the case comes up on appeal, on the merits, that there might be a54 in the other direction to reverse it because

of the admission of evidence. so that's a concern to me. >> let me ask you, charles, we have about 50s left. does the jack smith report if and when it comes out matter, and if so, why? >> well, there are still prosecutions that are going on. and so in terms of any information around those defendants that are still being prosecuted, there's some relevance there. but i think that there's also an important piece about what did not happen and who wasn't prosecuted, that the public will learn to get a complete picture as to why jack smith did some of the things that he did. so it does matter. is it going to overwhelmingly tip the scales and have some explosive information? more likely not than so. but at the same time, there are still matters that are going on that are not settled, that this may help the public better understand. >> all right, charles and joe, please stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss with you. next up, we examine what tonight's breaking news could mean for one vital portion of jack smith's work. his findings on trump's handling of

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resigning as he was expected to do so ahead of trump's inauguration. smith's resignation comes as the doj is expected to release volume one of his report on donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the department, however, is holding off on publicly sharing volume two, which is the portion pertaining to trump's handling of classified documents. they are doing so because legal proceedings against other defendants in the case are still ongoing, according to attorney general merrick garland. that's a win in the eyes of team trump, which has fought tooth and nail to stop the release of any part of smith's final report. charles coleman jr and jill wine-banks are back with me. charles, what do you make of this back and forth we're seeing over the weekend, specifically over the classified documents case, because the doj is arguing that there's still ongoing legal

proceedings. the logic is that donald trump comes in, his new attorney general gets sworn in, and the first thing they're probably going to do is maybe shut down this trial of these two individuals because they don't want trump or anyone else implicated in it. >> absolutely. i think that donald trump wants to keep this from getting any further out into the public as much as he can, because he knows that as soon as he gets in sworn into office, he's going to appoint a new attorney general. like you said, those cases are going to go away. but it becomes harder if the narrative has already gotten out of control because of the information in that report being out in the public. now, it's not to say that there's going to be, like i said, any bombshell that's dropped with respect to that. but if you have that report that's out there, more of it generates more conversation. and then it does beg the question, are you abusing your power by dismissing these cases, given your connection to them? and so he wants to keep that contained as much as he can. >> jill, i want to play for you. a clip of msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann and what he said today on the weekend, about

merrick garland's reasoning for not releasing the classified documents report. >> i think he got something technically wrong when he said there is a pending case, judge cannon pointedly, when she dismissed the case before her. as to all three defendants, not just donald trump, she ordered the case closed. now, it is true that the department of justice is appealing that decision. as to the two codefendants. but come on, a there's no pending case in the district court per judge cannon's own order. and everybody knows that on january 20th that that case is never going to go forward. >> your thoughts on this, joe, do you think or do you agree that merrick garland is, i hate to say it once again, wrong in his claim that there is still a pending case. >> let me take. >> sorry, joe. i think we're

having a hard time with your audio. i'm not sure if something happened. >> can you hear me now? >> yes. go ahead. >> okay. i agree with andrew, but i would say that case should look. >> joe, we're still having a technical issue with your audio. i'm so sorry. i don't know what it is. it keeps coming and going. we'll give you a second to maybe reset it, but let me get charles's thoughts on that. while joe just works that audio issue. what do you what do you think of this? i mean, it was kind of what i was asking you about in the first question, but more broadly speaking, is merrick garland wrong? what should i to think that there is going to be a trial or some kind of process after january 20th? >> he's absolutely wrong. i mean, i understand the position that he's taking is as the current ag, he has to have what's called prosecutorial initiative and push forward regardless of what he sees around him. but read the writing on the wall, right? right. like eileen cannon has made very clear where she is and what she's doing. trump certainly has. donald trump has made very clear what he's doing. so at this point, there's no moral

victory in sort of holding the line, if you will, for a time that we already know is going to come as if it's in doubt. or we can debate. but i really want to back up really quickly and just note how the word lucky has been used. but there is an enormous amount of privilege and power and resources that are being flaunted by donald trump and team trump at the entire legal system. i mentioned that at the beginning, and you wrote a piece about this recently for msnbc about just how the overall system of him thumbing his nose is also and we have it up there on our screen for our viewers to read the full part of it. >> but, you know, it's not just luck. there's an incredible amount of privilege, as the headline says, in the way donald trump has gamed the system. >> correct? like, donald trump could not eat enough four leaf clovers to have that much luck, right? like, we are talking very clearly about the concrete notions of having enough power to appoint supreme court justices that you can now lean on for what it is that you want. having the privilege to go through your trial, railing against the justice system,

railing against the judges, railing against the prosecutors and face absolutely no penalty, and then having the resources to be able to spend over $100 million defending your various cases. and again, i know, i know that jill talked about coming out unscathed and the notion of that because he has a felony conviction. but it is a difference without a distinction, inasmuch as he comes out with this conviction with this label, but feels none of the effects that literally millions of americans have to deal with who have that same label. >> and much of that $100 million raised off the backs of hard working americans through all kinds of fundraising efforts. and who knows, some have called it a grift, you know, for him and his and his campaign efforts. jill, let me get your final thoughts. just because we lost you, technically. i'm sorry. i'm afraid that we lost jill. we don't have her with us. charles coleman, junior, thank you so much. and our thanks to jill earlier in the segment. up next, trump gets a jump start on his mass deportation plan with a boost from congress. why are some democrats backing it? and

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in georgia last year by an undocumented migrant, would change federal law to allow ice to detain undocumented immigrants who have been charged, arrested or convicted of a nonviolent crime. the american immigration council says the bill threatens to push america's already chaotic immigration system to the brink. joining me now is krish o'mara, vignarajah president and ceo at global refugee. it's great to have you back on the show. krish, under the current law, non-citizens who have been convicted of at least two petty offenses are subject to potential deportation. this new bill is streamlining that process for people who have just been charged or arrested. walk us through the consequences of that. >> so we are talking about people who may have simply been charged. they have not been convicted. they have not gone through a court proceeding. and

so this legislation raises the question of whether these individuals should be subject to detention. obviously, there has been, you know, some credible evidence to support an indictment. and as a result, i think there is an acknowledgment that these individuals may pose a threat. our concern is just ensuring that they have gone through due process that we are not we are not denying people's right to liberty. we are not deporting them without going through a court proceeding. but certainly we understand where members of congress are coming from in order to protect our citizens. i think it is a concern when you think about individuals who have, you know, come in an unauthorized fashion and who have been, you know, there has been credible evidence that they may have committed a crime. >> this legislation would give state attorneys general the right to sue the u.s. attorney general or the homeland security secretary. if an undocumented immigrant is released and then goes on to commit a crime, they

would also have the power to ban visas to people in other countries. how will this impact federal immigration law? >> well, i think this certainly raises two concerns. one is just the federalism issue. immigration is a national issue. we obviously require that the white house, working with congress, determines the parameters of how people come into the country, how they are vetted. our concern is just whether state attorney generals will then use this to interfere with immigration policy. that really does need to be set at a national level. and then second, whether immigration policy becomes even more politicized than it already is. we've seen for many years now, whoever is in the white house that we do see state attorney generals often, folks who are ambitious, you know, who may be running for governor, who are weaponizing the issue. and so our concern is, certainly, states have a responsibility to protect their citizens. but what we don't want

is to make the issue of immigration even more divisive and politicized than it already is. >> you know, this bill was named after lincoln riley, who was killed last year by an undocumented immigrant. no doubt about it, an absolutely horrible tragedy and murder. but we also must point out that homicides make up a small fraction of ice arrests less than 1%, according to a review by axios. is it fair to say that hundreds, if not thousands, of immigrants could pay the price for this piece of legislation, which is how some democrats used to characterize it? >> absolutely. i mean, when you listen to the campaign rhetoric that that we heard in the fall, you would assume that every immigrant coming to the united states was intending to either perpetrate a crime or fuel the opioid epidemic. and the reality is, is that the statistics don't bear that out. studies that have actually delved into the data have shown that immigrants

coming into local communities have actually made them safer. whether you're talking about violent crime, commercial crime, petty crime. and so i think that's where, yes, we need to put in place common sense policies to make sure that what happened to lincoln riley never happens to anyone else. but we also need to make sure that we aren't creating this this situation of fear mongering and scapegoating immigrants when we know that we're talking about less than 1% of the immigrant population. >> let me get your thoughts on some efforts by the administration recently to protect, if you will, migrants in this country. the biden administration announced that they are extending temporary protected status for nearly 1 million migrants living in the us. it includes immigrants from venezuela, el salvador, ukraine and sudan, but this would only give them another 18 months of protection. one can you explain to our viewers? are all bets off even with this protection? once trump takes office january 20th, is there anything that you hope biden does on his way out that

can protect these communities, these individuals, these families from trump? >> well, we are grateful to president biden acted. certainly, the circumstances on the ground in these countries warranted the extension of temporary protected status. but this is a power that's under the presidential control. and so a new administration coming in certainly has the prerogative to look at the conditions. i think what is helpful is since a report has been issued that documents in detail the conditions on the ground, it is going to be far more complicated. in order to reverse the, you know, the data, the facts that are included in these reports. and so it would certainly take time. it also would raise litigation prospects if the administration came in and swiftly and without any substantiation, changed the temporary protected status. but certainly this is going to be something that we watch closely

because the president, we suspect, will come in and look at this and determine, you know, whether they want to keep this in power. typically, though, presidents who have come into power have allowed these determinations to run their course and then allowed for, you know, when the when the time is up to consider it at that point. so we hope that the administration does that and focuses on on some of the other issues we've talked about instead. >> all right. krish o'mara, vignarajah, thank you so much for your time. greatly appreciate it. we'll be in touch with you as the new administration gets sworn in. a quick update on the historic and deadly wildfire in los angeles. 13 people now confirmed dead. and we have also learned that the atf will now lead the investigation into a cause. governor gavin newsom also sending in more national guard troops, doubling the amount of personnel on the ground across l.a. there is a bit of good news to report. some evacuation orders have been lifted and there is now some outside help coming in to the state. texas governor greg abbott announcing today that he is sending 135

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overseas and eradicating diseases such as guinea worm, or building houses with habitat for humanity and combating violence against women. but one of the central issues that he focused on during his post-presidency, which he noted was his most controversial, was his work on israel and palestine. in 2006, he released a provocative book titled palestine peace, not apartheid. using the word palestine in a book specifically, a title was controversial enough, but using the word apartheid was unheard of from someone of his stature. here, in a 2007 interview, he laid out his thesis and the word apartheid is a is exactly accurate. >> you know, this is an area that's occupied by two powers. >> they're not completely separated. >> the palestinians can't even ride on the same roads that the israelis have created, a built in palestinian territory that

the israelis never see a palestinian except the israeli soldiers. >> the palestinians never see an israeli except at a distance, except the israeli soldiers. so within palestinian territory, they're absolutely and totally separated. much worse than they were in south africa, by the way. >> and the other thing is the other definition of apartheid is one side dominates the other, and the israelis completely dominate the life of the palestinian people. >> that was 18 years ago, and jimmy carter paid a massive price for it. he was denounced as an anti-semite. he was accused of getting facts wrong. he was even accused of plagiarism. and it wasn't just the right or the adl making these charges. leadership of the democratic party, including dnc chairman at the time, howard dean and incoming house speaker nancy pelosi, attacked carter with pelosi saying, quote, he does not speak for the democratic party on israel.

well, she was actually very right about that. the new york times and the washington post published reviews and op eds attacking the book and its author. the barrage of attacks carter faced was unlike anything he'd ever experienced in his post-presidency, where he was usually serenaded with the glowing coverage. as a humanitarian like you're seeing after his death. but here's the thing. jimmy carter was right, and he has been vindicated in 2021, a decade and a half after carter issued his warnings about israel's apartheid, israeli human rights group b'tselem issued a report coming to the very same conclusion that israel was in fact an apartheid regime. the same year, human rights watch did the same, and a year later amnesty international followed. but carter didn't simply write a book and speak the truth. he also engaged in diplomacy in order to achieve that peace, which included direct talks with key factions, including hamas. he reported to the world that hamas claimed it was ready to work towards a two

state solution, and we'll never know if they would have kept their word because the netanyahu government never tried. instead, carter was, of course, vilified and dismissed. meanwhile, as we now know, the netanyahu government was secretly helping fund hamas, not in an effort to make peace with the palestinians, but as part of his strategy to divide and conquer palestinians and prevent the two state solution from ever happening. that strategy blew up in israel's face with the hamas terror attacks of october 7th, and the violence and subjugation by israel against the palestinians has now reached historic levels, including charges of genocide by those same human rights organizations. perhaps if you would have listened to president jimmy carter warning almost 20 years ago, we wouldn't be in the situation that we are in now. instead, the political and media establishment now celebrating carter as a champion of human rights, wanted nothing to do with him when he was warning us. and in his death. they want to minimize or even ignore his

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